James McCarthy M free agent b.1990 [Archive] - Page 13

paul_oshea

15/05/2009, 8:37 AM

I studied Predicate Logic
A -> B = Not A OR B and all that
boring as hell, mind.

I did too, along with Languages and Computability. It is the most boring subject ever, you must think like a robot, I thought if I had autism or aspergers syndrome I might actually have been good at it.

SilkCut

15/05/2009, 8:40 AM

Apart from Henrik Larsson; who was the last player to leave Celtic and continue on a path of genuine success and improvement...??? I cannot think of 1.

Paulo Di Canio, Mark Viduka, Pierre Van Hoojdiunk??

Agree with your point though, Strachan should not be allowed within 10 miles of McCarthy. McCarthy needs to go to Everton, Moyes will make him great.

Drumcondra 69er

15/05/2009, 10:25 AM

Syllogistic reasoning, modens ponens, modus tollens, I remember these things but have no idea what they mean. And McCarthy will go the way of the miller at Celtic, just to keep on topic.

What, get injured for the rest of his teens, have one superb season and then get a bosman and rot in the reserves of a top 4 EPL club?? :confused:

neutrino

15/05/2009, 11:43 AM

Fair points but the players of that age that Moyes has bought haven't really got much game time (Gosling for example). I think it'd be difficult for McCarthy to go back to reserve team football having been a first team regular since he was 16.

It's a different situation with MCCarthy given his age and with McGeady given the extra experience he has. I think McGeady should (and will) move on in the summer but don't think that need is as urgent with McCarthy yet.

Good point on the reserves there. Playing is the way to keep developing and if he got that at celtic then great, but I dont think they'd play him all the time either. So bit of a throw up I reckon.

Spot about McGeady. It's time for him to kick on now - it would be great to see him in the Premier League too playing for a decent team.

Torn-Ado

15/05/2009, 12:27 PM

Syllogistic reasoning, modens ponens, modus tollens, I remember these things but have no idea what they mean. And McCarthy will go the way of the miller at Celtic, just to keep on topic.

Liam Miller had his best days at Celtic, although short, which earned him a move to Man Utd. I can't see your point.

Dodge

15/05/2009, 12:39 PM

dr_peepee

15/05/2009, 12:56 PM

I wouldn't be against a move to Celtic at all. It's still a step up. He may be playing against the same players. But he's playing in front of big passionate crowds with better players, whilst being drip fed European Football. If he stays injury free it's a safer bet for a steadier learning curve than a move down south were the learning curve could potentially be accelerated, but the odds are dramatically reduced, if you know what I mean.

I wouldn't underestimate the positives of staying close to home/family/friends for a couple of years either. The like of Fabregars truly are an exception

A three of four year contract to keep him there til his early 20's would be ideal, provided he he doesn't keep signing extensions and maintaining an inflated transfer value,

paul_oshea

15/05/2009, 1:39 PM

lads if he is that good like ye were all professing then it doesnt matter where he goes to or when, he should be capable.

shaneker

15/05/2009, 1:45 PM

I wouldn't underestimate the positives of staying close to home/family/friends for a couple of years either. The like of Fabregars truly are an exception

A three of four year contract to keep him there til his early 20's would be ideal, provided he he doesn't keep signing extensions and maintaining an inflated transfer value,

I'm convinced. I was certainly one of the 'get the hell out of the SPL' crowd, but the family thing is something I hadn't considered and its a big point. This lad seems mature as anything, seems to be fairly grounded and (based on what people say here, I've only ever seen highlights) he's gradually improved for several years in their company. Let that continue, instead of sending him to the teenage prima donna capital of the world where there would be much more temptation and less of a positive influence from his family. He can move to England (or maybe elsewhere, if he's incredibly lucky) when he's 20/21.

Razors left peg

15/05/2009, 2:13 PM

As a Celtic fan I would be delighted to see him sign for Celtic. Whatever people think about the league Celtic are a massive club and the fans have expectations to win the league every season so that is a huge difference in pressure to what he faces at Hamilton.If he proves hes capable of that then he can move onto another big club in england or wherever afterwards.
I would prefer to see him go down that route than that of Aaron Ramsey, sitting in Arsenals reserves.

tetsujin1979

15/05/2009, 3:19 PM

I wouldn't underestimate the positives of staying close to home/family/friends for a couple of years either. The like of Fabregars truly are an exceptiontrue that, remember what happened to Reyes?

Stuttgart88

15/05/2009, 3:37 PM

I agree with Dr_Peepee but don't think the Reyes comparison is accurate. McCarthy seems a smart level headed young kid, Reyes was from a desperately poor background and had none of the savvy or the support infrastructure that McCarthy would have.

I don't think the Ramsey route would be too bad for McCarthy. It's rare that these guys hang around beyond their sell by date and tend to end up at the appropraite level of football in due course. I don't think it'd be his best option though.

I think it's time he got used to being on a winning team, be it Celtic or a top Championship team. I'm not sure joining a struggling EPL team would do him much good - they never have the patience to develop players, though if the likes of Moyes or O'Neill were interested it'd be great, Moyes especially.

eirebhoy

16/05/2009, 12:31 PM

If he goes to Celtic he's playing against the same player he played against when he was at Hamilton. You can swao the 4 games againt celtic for maybe 4 games in Champins League. Not a huge improvement for him, although he'd obviously be trining with better players, and you'd hope training was better too.
I actually think standard of teammate is more important than standard of opposition. I think Celtic's best players at league level are usually their best players at Champions league level.

You don't need to have great ability to close players down, mark players, pressurise them.

I think people look too much into standard of opposition. If a player joined Barcelona and start dictating their play in a team alongside Messi, Xavi and Iniesta he's a fantastic player no matter what the standard.

The most important thing for McCarthy is to join a team with really good players. Start thinking the way they think and see if you can play on their wavelength. I think Celtic have the midfield players to improve McCarthy's game.

Colbert Report

16/05/2009, 10:14 PM

Scottish football is crap, I'd much rather see him playing in the Championship or even League 1 next season.

NeilMcD

16/05/2009, 11:02 PM

I actually think standard of teammate is more important than standard of opposition. I think Celtic's best players at league level are usually their best players at Champions league level.

You don't need to have great ability to close players down, mark players, pressurise them.

I think people look too much into standard of opposition. If a player joined Barcelona and start dictating their play in a team alongside Messi, Xavi and Iniesta he's a fantastic player no matter what the standard.

The most important thing for McCarthy is to join a team with really good players. Start thinking the way they think and see if you can play on their wavelength. I think Celtic have the midfield players to improve McCarthy's game.

Part of your post is true but time and space have a huge amout to do with it. If you are given time and space you will look better. Also better players close down better as in their angles are better they cut out potential passes better etc.

Maroon 7

17/05/2009, 2:11 AM

Scottish football is crap, I'd much rather see him playing in the Championship or even League 1 next season.

So you'd rather see him play with Yeovil (for example) in League 1 than Celtic in the SPL and in Europe?

tricky_colour

17/05/2009, 2:57 AM

So you'd rather see him play with Yeovil (for example) in League 1 than Celtic in the SPL and in Europe?

There is not much difference in population of the two towns.

48k for Hamilton and 42K for Yeoville.

Also the average home attendance is pretty similar, so I think Colbert has a point. I guess the plus of the SPL is that they get to play a few 'big clubs'
( I could say thrashed by here but I won't ;)) but apart from that the standard must be pretty similar. So I don't think there is too much difference all in all. Leeds and Leicester play in League 1, as did Forest, and indeed Man City not that long ago. I suppose the main thing is that he is happy where he is playing.

Colbert Report

17/05/2009, 4:30 PM

Yes, I would much rather him to play with Yeovil than Celtic. He won't get a game at Celtic, what is the point of him being on the bench all year there? He'd be better off going to Barcelona or Manchester United, both of whom are supposedly keeping tabs on him.

eirebhoy

17/05/2009, 4:35 PM

Part of your post is true but time and space have a huge amout to do with it. If you are given time and space you will look better. Also better players close down better as in their angles are better they cut out potential passes better etc.
And you don't get much time and space on the ball playing for Celtic. I'd Serie A is easier in that sense.

and don't bite to Colbert Report. Nobody in their right mind would want a highly rated Irish player playing in league 1. Colbert Report likes to be a bit controversial. :)

Anyway, standard of teammate is a lot more important than standard of opposition imo.

tricky_colour

17/05/2009, 4:47 PM

I could probably play at left back for Celtic against some SPL clubs, even on crutches with my broken ankle ;)

Colbert Report

17/05/2009, 4:49 PM

I'm not trying to rag on the SPL, but I mean seriously, have you ever sat down to watch St. Mirren vs. Aberdeen? I would rather watch Millwall vs. Leeds.

rambler14

17/05/2009, 5:14 PM

The quicker we cap this kid the better.....Scotland want him back!

eirebhoy

17/05/2009, 6:38 PM

I could probably play at left back for Celtic against some SPL clubs, even on crutches with my broken ankle ;)
I'd say it's tougher to look good playing for Celtic, even at left back, than it is for English Championship clubs. Again, going back to the thing about teammates. :)

elroy

20/05/2009, 10:46 PM

The quicker we cap this kid the better.....Scotland want him back!

The guy wants to play for Ireland and has made this clear on a number of occasions despite a few, indeed recent approaches from the SFA. Added to this, the abuse he regularly takes for his decision, i think its safe to say he is commited to Ireland.

tetsujin1979

27/05/2009, 8:50 AM

Swansea end interest in McCarthy: http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5350217,00.html

carloz

30/06/2009, 2:48 PM

tetsujin1979

30/06/2009, 2:54 PM

I have seen it nowhere else today, but the Sun said that he has signed for Burnley.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/06/30/1355387/report-burnley-to-swoop-for-hamilton-starlet-james-mccarthy

Might actually suit him, going to a team with the right philosophy.
goal.com are usually way off on these matters, it's a suspending offence on some forums to post a rumour from them!
Case in point Sky Sports says the Accies have rejected the bid: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5407677,00.html

carloz

30/06/2009, 3:13 PM

I know goal.com is very very suspect, as is the the Sun. Just thought id let people know. But take it with a serious pinch of salt.

Crosby87

30/06/2009, 10:51 PM

How come none of the bigger clubs want to take a shot at this kid? Even like a New Castle or something?

Claret Murph

01/07/2009, 6:13 AM

Yep what I have read is that Burnley have made an offer but turned down , I would say this is just the start as if Coyle wants yer man he will get him :) Hey the Clarets have loads of money ;)

Colbert Report

01/07/2009, 11:53 AM

How come none of the bigger clubs want to take a shot at this kid? Even like a New Castle or something?

I don't think Newcastle could match the wages that he'd be offered at Celtic. I'm being deadly serious.

geysir

01/07/2009, 3:22 PM

They say Burnley offered �750k, which was flatly rejected by Hamilton.
What does that say, 1.2 m might seal it?
If there are no other clubs, then an EPL club for at least one season with a good manager might well be a good move for a young kid.
Would he get onto Burnley's starting team?

Claret Murph

01/07/2009, 3:36 PM

I would say he would start off second string as the midfield has some shape to it with McDonald, McCann, Blake and Eagles also with Alexander in front of the back four . But if the lad shows well he will get a spot in the side , Burnley just have to sign him first . :)

Colbert Report

01/07/2009, 10:33 PM

Forget playing for a crap team like Burnley. They'll struggle to hit thirty points this season in the Premiership.

He should go somewhere like QPR or Ipswich, clubs with big money and big ambition behind them. He doesn't need to waste a year sitting on the bench at a bigger club.

Claret Murph

02/07/2009, 8:41 AM

paul_oshea

02/07/2009, 9:01 AM

Two words for ye claret, relegation fodder

only messin :D

Claret Murph

02/07/2009, 9:44 AM

Two words for ye claret, relegation fodder

only messin :D

Right lets be honest .
This will be a big move for the lad if it comes off , I don't expect him to take up the midfield roll just yet . How good is he really , well not sure .

If he Picks to go to Burnley he will be well looked after as they are a small club and still a very small squad he will get a chance I am sure of that .
One thing which any move would be good for him is that he will get away from the abuse he get up in Scotland having picked to play for Ireland instead of his country of birth .
News has broken today that Burnley are looking at a full back form Accis also I very much think that it will be a double deal as long as the lad wants to come to Burnley . A lot of people have faith in Owen Coyle I reallt do think he knows what he is doing .

youngirish

02/07/2009, 10:28 AM

Right lets be honest .
This will be a big move for the lad if it comes off , I don't expect him to take up the midfield roll just yet . How good is he really , well not sure .

If he Picks to go to Burnley he will be well looked after as they are a small club and still a very small squad he will get a chance I am sure of that .
One thing which any move would be good for him is that he will get away from the abuse he get up in Scotland having picked to play for Ireland instead of his country of birth .
News has broken today that Burnley are looking at a full back form Accis also I very much think that it will be a double deal as long as the lad wants to come to Burnley . A lot of people have faith in Owen Coyle I reallt do think he knows what he is doing .

I actually think Claret that Burnley are capable of surprising a few people next season. They are a young team with a very capable manager. Their form in both cups last year suggests that they are capable of beating Premiership teams in one off games so they should be able to pick up a few wins here and there. There look to be poorer teams in the Premiership to me.

Of course it all depends on how their young players adapt to the Premiership. Some might find it a step too far while others may turn out to be more than capable of rising to the challenge of playing there.

carloz

02/07/2009, 10:34 AM

I think Burnley have every chance of staying up. Who would have seen Hull staying up last year, or Stoke finishing in mid table? Personally i feel all three that came up could stay up this season. Lot of muck in the Premiership this season, Hull, Bolton, Portsmoth, Wigan.

drummerboy

02/07/2009, 10:37 AM

I think Owen Coyle would be a good mentor for young McCarthy. He comes from the same type of background, born Scottish but with strong Irish link. Coyle is bright, enthusiastic and knowledgable.

Claret Murph

08/07/2009, 8:45 AM

Lastest news , is that Wolves have offered double what Burnley have for the lad which is somewhere around 2 million and that includes add on's .

tetsujin1979

08/07/2009, 9:06 AM

yeah, it's in today's Mirror: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/07/08/mccarthy-and-mccarthy-utd-115875-21503284/

Scram

08/07/2009, 3:42 PM

Lastest news , is that Wolves have offered double what Burnley have for the lad which is somewhere around 2 million and that includes add on's .

Yes, but he's manager of BURNLEY!

Closed Account

08/07/2009, 3:49 PM

Yes, but he's manager of BURNLEY!
What?

Scram

08/07/2009, 4:02 PM

I think Owen Coyle would be a good mentor for young McCarthy. He comes from the same type of background, born Scottish but with strong Irish link. Coyle is bright, enthusiastic and knowledgable.

Yes, but he's manager of BURNLEY!

WexCar

08/07/2009, 6:11 PM

Yes, but he's manager of BURNLEY!

whats ur point?

Razors left peg

08/07/2009, 6:35 PM

carloz

08/07/2009, 7:20 PM

Yes, but he's manager of BURNLEY!

Yes, a team that have the correct attitude, that are going the right way, that have a good history and that play football the right way. They will stay up and id much rather seeing a good footballing team like them stay up rather than the likes of Bolton, Hull and Stoke

irishultra

08/07/2009, 9:30 PM

Wolves and Burnley fighting it out for him is a bit of a let down after being told he turned down a move to Liverpool couple years ago and aparently had clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid interested

Also didn't Palermos chairman last year say that they were lining up a 6 million euro offer for him?:confused:

Steven Gerrard apparently told Benitez to sign him up, this seems weird.