James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[paul_oshea]

The thing that is being overlooked here and its the most worrying part for me is Mccarthy will now not be playing against Macedonia because of traps reluctance to throw someone into the fray he hasn't had time to work with.now that is understandable from the point of view of green whelan Andrews Gibson etc, however Mccarthy is proven calibre and could easily slot in and do a very good job for us but we won't see it next month. It takes a great manager to show confidence and belief in player and young up and coming players when the time is needed in pressure situations. That time is next month.

There are many reasons why nxt month is a bull and not a bear market.

[Duggie]

as much as i want to see mccarthy i wouldnt throw him straight into a qualifer next month. by all means have him in the squad and if were in a good position get him capped.

[paul_oshea]

Yes i would.if he is not up to scratch then he can always be replaced. He is back with a bang imagine in a month what he will be like? His first proper international, a competitive game at home in front of all his family in the new aviva against a team we are favourites to beat. finally putting to bed all the nonsense about his desire to play for Ireland busting a gut to prove how much he green keane to him. Just some of the reasons why nxt month is ideal.

Vs a potential v tough away tie in a daunting venue in former eastern bloc.

[paul_oshea]

I say this cos i don't see him making an appearance at all from.the bench or starting duggie.

[Bottle of Tonic]

Ya im asking IF stutts good man.sorry kingdom im mobile so even less commas than usual though the way the language is going you don't seem to need them anymore anyway!wondering of timings of said tweets.john kenny is a great dj.but not that involved with sport anymore bar motor racing.mobile puts in stupid words and its not easy put in commas

good to know ppl don't have me on ignore then.test worked Haha

Not to do with JMcC at all but I have to pull you up there on the J Kenny being a great DJ thing you've mentioned twice there. He did the 2fm Metal Show for years there in the 90's and he hadn't a bulls notion of what he was on about. Pronouncing bands names wrong the whole time etc. Think he admitted at one stage that he didn't even like metal and his favourite band was the Clash.

Anyway! To keep on topic I've had a bad feeling about McCarthy for ages now. There is rumour and counter-rumour. He could come out with a statement that puts all our minds at rest but to be honest I could see if he was getting disillusioned with the vibes coming from Trap and the Irish camp.

[paul_oshea]

Ya bot.fair point but his metal show top ten was good and his sign off 'have a great weeeweeek tiiiilllll nxt week bi' or 'have a crackiiiiiiing good weeeweeek til nxt week bi' was cool.plus he played some great tunes by amorphis, pro pain, cruachan etc small bands who with no internet at the time i would never have heard of them or many more.

[shakermaker1982]

Would it be too much for the FAI or the Trap to call McCarthy after the game and tell him they are looking forward to seeing him next month? Sort this crap out once and for all. If he's fit next month he plays in my book. He's so far ahead of our current pass the ball sideways central midfielders.....

[Junior]

He could come out with a statement that puts all our minds at rest but to be honest I could see if he was getting disillusioned with the vibes coming from Trap and the Irish camp.

He has alread done that and he shouldnt have to keep doing it everytime the Irish Media get you all in a tizzy.

[Dodge]

Would it be too much for the FAI or the Trap to call McCarthy after the game and tell him they are looking forward to seeing him next month?

FAI shouldn't get involved in team affairs.

Trap simply can't communicate in English.

[Bottle of Tonic]

Junior, if he has, good. I'm not out searching every article written on individual Ireland players. Trying to keep up to date with the daily madness of Celtic supporting here in Scotland is challenging enough, so if I've missed out on a definitive statement from him, well thats my own tough ****.

However, there was a strong argument for getting James capped when he was still at Hamilton, putting this circus to rest. It must be coming up on 2 years since he left them so you can hardly blame fellas for getting a bit anxious when on the eve of another international match he is again out of the squad. I'm not blaming him as such. Think Trappers and the Irish set-up could have handled this waaaay better but I think we are all just eager to see him in a green jersey and tied down to us for good.

[shakermaker1982]

FAI shouldn't get involved in team affairs.

Trap simply can't communicate in English.

We must have a team fixer/go to guy who the squad all trust if they need a drink/hooker/bet/coke (delete as appropriate).

[Noelys Guitar]

Trap will be told to clean out his office, as he fills up his box with mementoes and stuff,
a piece of paper falls to the floor.
"Hey! there's James' missing phone number and a message! My God, he really wanted to play for us!"

Thats was Hamilton who lived in Wigan liked Ireland for awhile and then moved back to Scotland.

[Noelys Guitar]

Very badly handled by Trap. It was a cert that the media would start asking questions. Not picking McCarthy in the 29. King picking McCarthy for the U21's. Suddenly picked in the whittled down senior squad. Arrogant buffonery and very bad man management. If this was Stan he would be crucified. Paul McGrath (nasal congestion), Ronnie Whelan (serial friendly game misser) and many other former greats would not have lasted 10 minutes with this current regime. It feels like Givens has taken over the team.

[tricky_colour]

McCarthy should have had a full cap donkeys years ago, then we would not have this nonsense.
Complete ****-up by Trap/FIA.

[paul_oshea]

McCarthy should have had a full cap donkeys years ago, then we would not have this nonsense.
Complete ****-up by Trap/FIA.

Ya bernie ecclestone, qpr, flavatiore, max mosley and S & M - possibly even rhianna - are all to blame for this **** up.

[Duggie]

im sure the FAI could insist that trap cap him as soon as possible even if its for 5 minutes if they wanted. done and dusted.

[cufc champions]

Ya bernie ecclestone, qpr, flavatiore, max mosley and S & M - possibly even rhianna - are all to blame for this **** up.
ya beat me to it :D

[jbyrne]

im sure the FAI could insist that trap cap him as soon as possible even if its for 5 minutes if they wanted. done and dusted.

ridiculous

[tricky_colour]

ya beat me to it :D

ha ha I just realised why I got that odd response, I was rather baffled for a while :D

[an_ceannaire]

when u see some of the dross Trap picks in the squad and then we still havent tied McCarthy down.......Trap is a liability and he is nothing else

[paul_oshea]

ya beat me to it :D

press thanks then.

That rhianna video is awful bad though you can see her boobies(this word isn't blocked) in that video when she is walking in the garden with the guy on the leash.

[jbyrne]

when u see some of the dross Trap picks in the squad and then we still havent tied McCarthy down.......Trap is a liability and he is nothing else

a bit of fairness please. mccarthy has many times been unavailable for differant reasons. on top of this wigan said he wasnt properly match fit by any stretch when they bought him and had to work on him a lot. he's only back from an injury and admitedly is playing very well over the last 3 wigan matches. its up to the manager who plays and any game we have had under trap that would "tie him down" has been a must win for us where risking an unproven inexperienced player would be a massive risk

[an_ceannaire]

Really..........?? Andorra......Really............? :rolleyes:

Paul Green over JMc.........Really.....??!!:mad:

[Duggie]

thats the frustrating thing for us, if he had been available for these friendlies he could be bedded into the team almost. he will get there.

[Charlie Darwin]

Really..........?? Andorra......Really............? :rolleyes:

Paul Green over JMc.........Really.....??!!:mad:
Yes, really, considering McCarthy was injured.

[an_ceannaire]

are these celtic nations cup games "competetive" or friendly

[paul_oshea]

friendly. They are not competItive.

[an_ceannaire]

so a cap tonight still wouldnt have tied Jmc down?

[The Fly]

friendly. They are not competItive.

That's competitive. ;)

[SkStu]

One of Traps priorities should have been to cap McCarthy as soon as possible. I mean, it wasnt that long ago that clearly talented younger players were fast-tracked to the senior squad. What has changed that this priority should have changed?

[Sullivinho]

so a cap tonight still wouldnt have tied Jmc down?

That's correct.

But he would have been a step closer to the first team. Once this guy makes the breakthrough, he'll be a permanent fixture. I think the frustrating thing for those who believe he is fully committed to us is a sense of time being lost. He's more than good enough to be in the team already.

[an_ceannaire]

Compltely agree. Why is trap stalling with them...its so ****ing annoying
get them in ASAP for Gods Sakes
what happened with Noble?

[boovidge]

looked like there was some progress. then got injured. haven't heard since.

[paul_oshea]

That's competitive. ;)

yes but I had to emphasise it :D Touché feck off!

[paul_oshea]

One of Traps priorities should have been to cap McCarthy as soon as possible. I mean, it wasnt that long ago that clearly talented younger players were fast-tracked to the senior squad. What has changed that this priority should have changed?

Ive agreed with ye on most Skstu, but I don't necessarily agree with this statement. I wanted him in there, and thought he should have been, but not for this reason. Thats going on a whole different road. Our relationship(you may call it an understanding) cant go any further :D

[Sullivinho]

what happened with Noble?

Trap made a comment about one of the eligible prospect's asking for a first team guarantee. He wasn't too impressed. I think it was assumed that was Noble.

[an_ceannaire]

Right
Thats it
its confirmed. Trap is a ******.
He would rather Green to Noble........i dont care what Noble said or didnt say. Does Trap think he is the first player to declare for is on the grounds that he will play.....and he wont be the last either.....

[tetsujin1979]

Right
Thats it
its confirmed. Trap is a ******.
He would rather Green to Noble........i dont care what Noble said or didnt say. Does Trap think he is the first player to declare for is on the grounds that he will play.....and he wont be the last either.....
He was right to refuse it
If he had agreed to it then every other player we approached could make the same demand, point to Noble and say "well, you gave him those terms"

[an_ceannaire]

tets, do you think no other player we have "convinced" down the years has asked the same question ...........and been given the green light! I'd say a few Irish heros asked the exact same question! Incl one of our all time favourite captains!
All trap had to do was say ok and keep shtump about it! Play Noble, dont let on about your agreement....and if it doesnt work drop him like anyone else!
If trap hadnt opened his big mouth no one would have known!
Trap revealed this detail, no one else

[SkStu]

Ive agreed with ye on most Skstu, but I don't necessarily agree with this statement. I wanted him in there, and thought he should have been, but not for this reason. Thats going on a whole different road. Our relationship(you may call it an understanding) cant go any further :D

thats okay Paul. You werent doing it for me for a long time anyway - i just hadnt the heart to break it to you...

The merit argument (if that is what you are referring to) is valid, in fact it is the number one argument in relation to McCarthy in my opinion. On ability he deserves to be there ahead of any other centre mid in the squad.

In the bigger picture however it seems that what used to be the Irish way of fast-tracking (like MickMac did, not Stan) the major Irish talents (Duff, Keane etc etc) seems to have been forgotten or left behind by this management team. The conservatism and delay in getting new talent into the squad is just tiring and disappointing to me.

[jbyrne]

Really..........?? Andorra......Really............? :rolleyes:

Paul Green over JMc.........Really.....??!!:mad:

green turned up to the may friendlies, played well and got in the team. mccarthy didnt so didnt.

i think the last time he was available for a friendly was this time last year when he played against brazil. he may have been available for Argentina but with it being so close to a competitive match he was never going to get a look in after not being available in may.

[paul_oshea]

The merit argument (if that is what you are referring to) is valid, in fact it is the number one argument in relation to McCarthy in my opinion. On ability he deserves to be there ahead of any other centre mid in the squad.

In the bigger picture however it seems that what used to be the Irish way of fast-tracking (like MickMac did, not Stan) the major Irish talents (Duff, Keane etc etc) seems to have been forgotten or left behind by this management team. The conservatism and delay in getting new talent into the squad is just tiring and disappointing to me.


Yes Fasttracking on ability not on the lets give him a cap just for the sake of it. Thats what your original point above sounded like.

I said in a previous post it takes a strong and brave manager to show the confidence in youth, if they are capable, like Mick did with keane, duff etc. They will adapt quick enough.

[tricky_colour]

are these celtic nations cup games "competetive" or friendly

I think they come under the category 'big p1ss-up" :D

[Supreme feet]

Yes Fasttracking on ability not on the lets give him a cap just for the sake of it. Thats what your original point above sounded like.

I said in a previous post it takes a strong and brave manager to show the confidence in youth, if they are capable, like Mick did with keane, duff etc. They will adapt quick enough.

After we failed to qualify for Euro 2000, Mick was criticized in many sections of the press - particularly the Indo - for not fast tracking Stephen McPhail, Jason Gavin, Alan Mahon, Michael Reddy and Barry Quinn. He was slated for keeping faith in Steve Staunton, Matt Holland, Gary Breen and Lee Carsley. Look how that one turned out.

[paul_oshea]

or Big p!ss-off depending on who you are.

[paul_oshea]

After we failed to qualify for Euro 2000, Mick was criticized in many sections of the press - particularly the Indo - for not fast tracking Stephen McPhail, Jason Gavin, Alan Mahon, Michael Reddy and Barry Quinn. He was slated for keeping faith in Matt Holland, Gary Breen and Lee Carsley. Look how that one turned out.

Ya we qualified for the next World cup, 2 years later.

[Supreme feet]

Indeed. Without any of the young players touted by the press in 1999, bar Dunne. Duff and Keane were already established.

[paul_oshea]

Indeed. Without any of the young players touted by the press in 1999, bar Dunne. Duff and Keane were already established.

In fairness we had missed out on 2 previous qualifications by the skin of our teeth, i think at that stage we were due one, and the experience stood to all involved. Granted we did come through a very difficult campaign. Anyway thats being very selective to be honest.

[Supreme feet]

Point was, Mick's eventual success was built on experienced players rather than youth. He resisted wholesale changes in that last campaign and kept faith with Holland, Kinsella, Breen and Staunton, who were quite unpopular with journalists and (some) fans, when there was a clamour for young blood. He was rewarded with good performances from the experienced players that he was faithful to.

[paul_oshea]

Point was, Mick's eventual success was built on experienced players rather than youth. He resisted wholesale changes in that last campaign and kept faith with Holland, Kinsella, Breen and Staunton, who were quite unpopular with journalists and (some) fans, when there was a clamour for young blood. He was rewarded with good performances from the experienced players that he was faithful to.

Im aware of your point, but there is never a way of knowing looking back, whether or not some players not being there, it was so tight, might have actually helped or those who could have been called up could have got a point either way. LIke last campaign with Kilbane he definitely cost us points against bulgaria home and away. Had he not played, for example we might have topped the group. If he is replaced now then its proof that Trap sees the same but has left it too late - yes jigging it around we could have played without kilbane.

My point being is its hard to say that it wasn't the experience of the other players already there along with the emergence of finnan(given/keane/keane/duff/kilbane/finnan etc) and the likes that got us there or more that holland/stuanton/kinsella got us there. Kinsella was only half in half out really when keane and holland were both available. By 2002 a lot of these players had more than 1 qualifying campaign under their belts, had the experience of losing out, being so close, jelled together as a team etc.