Transfer Rumours

[HarpoJoyce]

Eh? Care to elaborate Harpie?

Certainly. But you should be careful how you ask questions about your fanny club.
(If there is any queries about On/Off-Topic. The below post concerns the transfer, circumstances and treatment of staff.)

I'll only keep to the present structure of the club.

Collins joins November 04 2004, three weeks from the end of the season from fellow relegation candidates Dublin City.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2004/1104/collins.html
Dublin City weren't too happy with. Shamrock Rovers were very happy and continued with Roddy and gave him a Two-year contract. Now by embedding someone like Roddy into the club, obvious serious questions of judgement needed to be asked. They went unasked 'cos Roddy gave the club what it desperatly needed, survival in the top division.

Survival still in major doubt the following season. The board doesn't have the courage of it's convictions ( Convictions for board member came the following year). Roddy is first suspended on full pay and then sacked after the club is relegated by Dermot Keely's Dublin City.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2005/1129/shamrock.html
Of course the treatment of Collins is rightly considered unfair and he brings a case of unfair dismissal against the board.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hoops-exboss-collins-settles-case-against-old-club-69166.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/1117/1163702728072.html

Pat Scully joins....
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/1201/shamrock.html

Pat Scully leaves early. Pat Scully interview with TV3 regarding his working 'environment'.
http://www.tv3.ie/videos.php?video=1608&locID=1.3&date=2008-10-14&date_mode=&page=1&show_cal=&newspanel=&showspanel=&web_only=&full_episodes=


I didn't mention the interim times when UCD's Alan O'Neill gave yourselves a dig out after Roddy left.
I believe people who have convictions against them for Public Order offences relating directly to League of Ireland football matches shouldn't sit on boards of League of Ireland football clubs.

As I said previously, it was wise of the board to go outside of Ireland.

[WoodquayBoy]

Why the shock. it was posted here a few weeks ago
The shock was probably the fact Premier League FM broadcast something in relation to the LOI

[Jicked]

Certainly. But you should be careful how you ask questions about your fanny club.
(If there is any queries about On/Off-Topic. The below post concerns the transfer, circumstances and treatment of staff.)

I'll only keep to the present structure of the club.

Collins joins November 04 2004, three weeks from the end of the season from fellow relegation candidates Dublin City.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2004/1104/collins.html
Dublin City weren't too happy with. Shamrock Rovers were very happy and continued with Roddy and gave him a Two-year contract. Now by embedding someone like Roddy into the club, obvious serious questions of judgement needed to be asked. They went unasked 'cos Roddy gave the club what it desperatly needed, survival in the top division.

Survival still in major doubt the following season. The board doesn't have the courage of it's convictions ( Convictions for board member came the following year). Roddy is first suspended on full pay and then sacked after the club is relegated by Dermot Keely's Dublin City.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2005/1129/shamrock.html
Of course the treatment of Collins is rightly considered unfair and he brings a case of unfair dismissal against the board.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hoops-exboss-collins-settles-case-against-old-club-69166.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/1117/1163702728072.html

Pat Scully joins....
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/1201/shamrock.html

Pat Scully leaves early. Pat Scully interview with TV3 regarding his working 'environment'.
http://www.tv3.ie/videos.php?video=1608&locID=1.3&date=2008-10-14&date_mode=&page=1&show_cal=&newspanel=&showspanel=&web_only=&full_episodes=


I didn't mention the interim times when UCD's Alan O'Neill gave yourselves a dig out after Roddy left.
I believe people who have convictions against them for Public Order offences relating directly to League of Ireland football matches shouldn't sit on boards of League of Ireland football clubs.

As I said previously, it was wise of the board to go outside of Ireland.

OMG UR RIGHT!!!!
Three years ago the old rovers board appointed Roddy Collins, who was dismissed after practically relegating the club by the new board. They replaced him with Pat Scully who over three season restored Rovers to the top flight at the first attempt, and working well with the board in a couple of very good cup runs and two highly accepable mid table finishes, before leaving on mutual consent after feeling things had run their course.

BUT OMG HOW WILL SHANROCK ROVRES EVA GET A NEW MANAGER NO1 WILL WORK FOR THEM COZ WAT HAPPENED 4 YRS AGO. LOL THEY HAD TO GO N POACH A HIGHLY RATED MANAGER FROM SCOTLAND. LOL!!!111!!

[Jicked]

Oh and I'd love to hear more about the personal allegations about members of the Shamrock Rovers board. What are these Public Order offences of which you speak, and why is it you think they are unfit to run the club? very serious allegations they are.

Especially when most other neutral observers, and even fans of other clubs including Rovers biggest rivals, would consider SRFC to be one of the best run clubs since the current board have taken over. It would be very difficult to argue otherwise, but I do look forward to what you have to say! :)

[LeixlipRed]

Even as a Shels fan I think it's fairly ridiculous to talk about the previous Rover's regime and the current (more benevolent :D) regime in the same breath.

[Cosmo]

That would please me, he is not the type if player i would like to be leading our attack next season, as i said before, i think his best days are behind him.

according to reports in drogheda hes had talks with dundalk, glentoran and fingal - has also been offered 2 trails in america

[brianw82]

has also been offered 2 trails in america

"The Declan O'Brien trail - Can you get through the whole thing without getting crocked?"

[Black and White]

New of the World reports that we are looking to sign the following players who played under Connor....Thomas Heary, Liam Burns, Faz Kudozovic, Adam Hughes, Chris Tunrer as well as Fabio O'Brien and Derrys Gerard Doherty!!

[headtheball]

New of the World reports that we are looking to sign the following players who played under Connor....Thomas Heary, Liam Burns, Faz Kudozovic, Adam Hughes, Chris Tunrer as well as Fabio O'Brien and Derrys Gerard Doherty!!

;) No chance. He has just won our player of the year and wont be leaving anytime soon to another Irish club. Darren Quigley on the otherhand has been interesting Sean Connor going by our local newspaper last Tuesday.

[Black and White]

Yeah i thought that there would be no way he'd be leaving...we dont need a new keeper though...Bennion if he cuts out the few moments of madness is well capable of laying in the premier div!! Quigley was connected and mentioned las week in the papers here so!

[Jersey Cow]

Poor journalism in the NOTW----Dundalk are looking to sign Derry's keeper alright but it's Quigley, not Doherty they want!!........they also want Kevin McHugh!!...................Shelley and Stuart Byrne to Bohs! :rolleyes:

[gustavo]

Poor journalism in the NOTW----Dundalk are looking to sign Derry's keeper alright but it's Quigley, not Doherty they want!!........they also want Kevin McHugh!!...................Shelley and Stuart Byrne to Bohs! :rolleyes:

I know what you mean , You really have to wonder how these people can get transfer rumours so wrong

[Sam_Heggy]

Poor journalism in the NOTW----Dundalk are looking to sign Derry's keeper alright but it's Quigley, not Doherty they want!!........they also want Kevin McHugh!!...................Shelley and Stuart Byrne to Bohs! :rolleyes:


They might want Kevin McQ but I wonder which club he has been speaking to? :D To meet them again on Tuesday afaik. ;)

[Black and White]

Rumours are flying around that David Cassidy has joined Fingal...anyone from Fingal care to elaborate????

[DmanDmythDledge]

Ian Bermingham to Fingal.

[gufct]

Gerry Gannon must have awful deep pockets. What happens when he ups and leaves the County Council will hardly bail them out.

[pineapple stu]

Ian Bermingham to Fingal.
Not the only one. Possibly Shane McFaul too, among others.

Gas thing is, with everyone else imploding, Fingal could actually manage Europe in a few years. If they're still around themselves, of course.

[Sam_Heggy]

Not the only one. Possibly Shane McFaul too, among others.

Gas thing is, with everyone else imploding, Fingal could actually manage Europe in a few years. If they're still around themselves, of course.

Yeah but how long will the grants last? Savage amount of money being put in by the Fingal council by all accounts. I doubt it will be as easy next season.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Not the only one. Possibly Shane McFaul too, among others.
Think I heard Timmy Purcell too but was completely hammered when hearing this.

[pineapple stu]

You listen to bebo now?

Psychadelic...

[passinginterest]

Anyone else think Fingal might be planning for the premier division? With so many other teams likely to have licence issues it's not beyond the realm of possibility. They may even have got a discreet nod from the FAI?

They're spending a ludicrous amount for a first division side.

[pineapple stu]

They've Harps, Cobh, us, Shels and Waterford to pass out for that to happen. Not going to happen.

They will walk the First Division next year though.

Spending ludicrous amounts isn't exactly unknown in this league!

[sligoman]

Jeff Kenna spotted at Cork airport today checking in to a flight to Manchester, according to Cork forum. Interviewed for Cork job maybe or maybe just a relaxing weekend in Cork?:D

[passinginterest]

Jeff Kenna spotted at Cork airport today checking in to a flight to Manchester,

New Man City manager when Hughes gets the sack obviously ;)

[oriel]

They've Harps, Cobh, us, Shels and Waterford to pass out for that to happen. Not going to happen.

They will walk the First Division next year though.

Spending ludicrous amounts isn't exactly unknown in this league!

I dunno about that, Fingal had some decent players this season but came 4th, you can assemble as many players as you like, but its very hard to produce a proper club spirit, then again they`re hardly a proper club.

UCD are always well tuned in for this div, have you ever spent more than 1 year down stu ?

[BohsPartisan]

New of the World reports that we are looking to sign the following players who played under Connor....Thomas Heary, Liam Burns, Faz Kudozovic, Adam Hughes, Chris Tunrer as well as Fabio O'Brien and Derrys Gerard Doherty!!

Oh I'd love it if you sign Turner. Him and Connor, we won't be stuck for a few chants thats for sure.

[Lamper.sffc]

I dunno about that, Fingal had some decent players this season but came 4th, you can assemble as many players as you like, but its very hard to produce a proper club spirit, then again they`re hardly a proper club

We came 3rd.
Yeah we did have some decent players but we also had very little time to blend those players into a team before the season kicked off. We really didnt start playing well untill close to half way through the season. If it wasnt for the teams above us messing up we never would have challenged. I still think we under performed given the squad we had though.
We are a proper club. No matter what some people say. You may not like us, which is fair enough but it still doesnt take away the fact we are a proper club.
I take great offence to the last part as I feel as strongly about my club as you do yours.


Yeah but how long will the grants last? Savage amount of money being put in by the Fingal council by all accounts. I doubt it will be as easy next season.

What grants?

[pineapple stu]

UCD are always well tuned in for this div, have you ever spent more than 1 year down stu ?
We have, yeah.

We cam straight back up the first time I think, then went straight back down and then had four or five years straight in the First before walking it in 1994/95. But we had promotion in our hands with five games or so to go each of the last three times before we went to the Collingwood, won that, got tired and missed out on the last day! I don't think we've sent our first-team to the Collingwood since.

Don't know if we'll come straight back up this time though. I think the First Division team will win the play off, however, and we'll be back up next year at the latest.

[oriel]

We came 3rd.
Yeah we did have some decent players but we also had very little time to blend those players into a team before the season kicked off. We really didnt start playing well untill close to half way through the season. If it wasnt for the teams above us messing up we never would have challenged. I still think we under performed given the squad we had though.
We are a proper club. No matter what some people say. You may not like us, which is fair enough but it still doesnt take away the fact we are a proper club.
I take great offence to the last part as I feel as strongly about my club as you do yours.



What grants?

You`re correct on both Lamper, you did come 3rd, and I shouldnt have made that remark about not a proper club.

Ps Are there any plans for Fingal to expand into the neigbouring towns for support, for eg Swords, Skerries, Ballbriggan ? i dont mean move to play there, but set up training, have club shops there etc to tap into local support

[jinxy lilywhite]

Thomas Heary has signed for Dundalk.
source dundalk fc.com

[Flexy]

Thomas Heary has signed for Dundalk.
source dundalk fc.com
Theres a lot of talk re the players Dundalk are going to bring in, but how have they got the budget to payfor all these players. With all the cuts that clubs are making at the moment, dont see how dundalk can maintain it in the long run.

[Lamper.sffc]

You`re correct on both Lamper, you did come 3rd, and I shouldnt have made that remark about not a proper club.

Ps Are there any plans for Fingal to expand into the neigbouring towns for support, for eg Swords, Skerries, Ballbriggan ? i dont mean move to play there, but set up training, have club shops there etc to tap into local support

Cheers man. Appreciated.

Setting up the Third-Level Scholarship Scheme, in partnership with Dublin City University and the Institute of Technology Blanchardstown. God knows how many free football jerseys have been given out to junior football teams in the area. The training facility the council is building will possible be going to Lusk last I heard. Maybe delayed due to recession though.

(Sorry to others for going off topic)

[pineapple stu]

Theres a lot of talk re the players Dundalk are going to bring in, but how have they got the budget to payfor all these players. With all the cuts that clubs are making at the moment, dont see how dundalk can maintain it in the long run.
In fairness, Dundalk do seem to get 1500 a game (which will probably increase in the Premier, but even if it doesn't, it's a good amount), have income from the bar and the plastic pitch which is probably a nice few quid and, most importantly, have top players probably willing to take a pay cut if they can get guarantees that they'll be paid throughout the year. I think Dundalk could be pushing for Europe next year.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Theres a lot of talk re the players Dundalk are going to bring in, but how have they got the budget to payfor all these players. With all the cuts that clubs are making at the moment, dont see how dundalk can maintain it in the long run.

We are possibly the only club that made a profit last season.
We do have a couple of revenue streams also to rely on.
1) Our artifical surface- funds can tackle the day to day admin running of the club.
2) Patron Scheme- monthly funds donated by supporters solely and used exclusively for the payment of players wages.
3) Our gate receipts for next season.

On another point we have a reputation of being able to pay our players 100% on time. Not many clubs can say that.

Our chairman spoke of actually it would be more cost effective to sign certain players f/t rather than p/t. When negotiating with players on a p/t basis the amount that they agree on is their net pay and not their gross. Some of their tax credits are used on their first job so the club have to pay their tax @ 40% rather than them being f/t and paying them only 20%.

Personally I am unsure of the step up but our chairman and our board have done a fantastic job with our club over the last 3 years and they do know their sums.

[pineapple stu]

We are possibly the only club that made a profit last season.
Was that before or after the E100k prize money? Not having a dig, but obviously you won't be getting that next year.

[Black and White]

We were gonna break even a the least las season but some said that they expected us to make a slight profit and wining th league further boosted that profit!!!attendances wer up big time from the previous year...we had at least 800-1000 fans at every home game last season!!

[jinxy lilywhite]

before prize money was taken into account we where at b/e point.

[Dodge]

Theres a lot of talk re the players Dundalk are going to bring in, but how have they got the budget to payfor all these players. With all the cuts that clubs are making at the moment, dont see how dundalk can maintain it in the long run.

They don't but obviously they're not going to sign everyone who's linked with them. If they're linked with 8 players they may sign 3/4. Nothing new there...

[jinxy lilywhite]

We were gonna break even a the least las season but some said that they expected us to make a slight profit and wining th league further boosted that profit!!!attendances wer up big time from the previous year...we had at least 800-1000 fans at every home game last season!!

It was alot more than that B&W. I reckoned we had consistently 1300 to 1700 @ each home game. The obvious exception being the Shels and Waterford games where i thought we touched the 2000 mark.

[Black and White]

2nd shels game we had app 2300 and the last home game against athlone we had 1800 accoring to dundalkfc.com!We took what down to Kildare...close to 800-1000!!!thats going to at least double outr attendances next season when we play well supported teams like derry, bohs etc etc to say the least!Roll on the "premiership" 2009!!:D

[randomcomment]

Dundalk have also signed Darren Mansaram. As for finances, they will probably post a profit this year again. Those dark years in the First Division have allowed us to establish a firm financial footing and we will be very competitive next season.

In terms of numbers relative to the town's population, I'd say we are the best supported team in the country.

Dundalk's population is only 35085, their av. attendance last season was 1,406, that's a 4% turnout rate

Compare that to Derry and Cork.

Derry's population is 83,652, their average attendance was 2,614, that's a 3% turnout rate

Cork has a population of 119,143, thir average attendance was 2,897, a turnout rate of only 1.5%

Therefore Dundalk is statistically the best supported club in Ireland.

AND THOSE ARE FIRST DIVISION ATTENDANCE FIGURES!!!!!

[pineapple stu]

Cork has a population of 119,143, thir average attendance was 2,897, a turnout rate of only 1.5%
2.5%, not 1.5%.


Therefore Dundalk is statistically the best supported club in Ireland.
Only Cork of those three give official crowds; drawing the above conclusion based on estimates is pointless and probably wrong.


If they're linked with 8 players they may sign 3/4. Nothing new there...
A 150-man squad for Sporting Fingal next year, then?

[micls]

Therefore Dundalk is statistically the best supported club in Ireland.



Em, no. If you want to work it out like that then Cobh hammer you with a population of 13,000 and an average attendance of 1,122.

11.5%

[Dunny]

Dundalk have also signed Darren Mansaram.

F**kin hope not!

[L37Ultra]

Em, no. If you want to work it out like that then Cobh hammer you with a population of 13,000 and an average attendance of 1,122.

11.5%


But its also easier for clubs in smaller towns to become more part of the community and therefore attracting more fans ;)

Now we are confused :D

[randomcomment]

I based that on 2007 as it is closer to the last population census. Cobh's av attendance was 681 and their ACTUAL POPULATION is 12,887 then their % turnout is 5%

Still very good I'll give you that but St. Colemans park is a kip and I'd like to know what their attendance will be in the MSL in 2009 :rolleyes:

[Dunny]

I based that on 2007 as it is closer to the last population census. Cobh's av attendance was 681 and their ACTUAL POPULATION is 12,887 then their % turnout is 5%

Still very good I'll give you that but St. Colemans park is a kip and I'd like to know what their attendance will be in the MSL in 2009 :rolleyes:

There was no need for that in fairness..

[L37Ultra]

I based that on 2007 as it is closer to the last population census. Cobh's av attendance was 681 and their ACTUAL POPULATION is 12,887 then their % turnout is 5%

Still very good I'll give you that but St. Colemans park is a kip and I'd like to know what their attendance will be in the MSL in 2009 :rolleyes:


But 5% is still better than the 4% you stated as Dundalk's attendance above ;)

[randomcomment]

Not denying that. I'm just saying that as a full package as a football club ie, fanbase, finances, facilities, history, pedigree, etc etc etc....

Dundalk is the ONLY club that ticks ALL of the boxes.....:ball:

[jinxy lilywhite]

Lads face facts all clubs attendences are sh1t. For the attendences to be half decent we would want to be at least doubling the amount of bums that we can get on the seats.
Clubs really should want to be trying at least to get 10% out of their catchment area