New Irish manager [Archive] - Page 5

Kingdom

08/02/2007, 12:52 PM

I'm not going to suggest a new manager as I haven't had time to seriously consider any alternatives, but if Aldo wasn't prepared to call it as it last night or any of the others for that matter then why should they be considered?
And something else i've been wondering about. Why was Robson offered a job as consultant? We have an octogenarion with a great knowledge of world football and the Irish set-up in John Giles already!
I think the suggestion that John Sheridan should be offered it may be a tad reactionary, he is doing well alright but this might be too big of a step up at this stage of his career.
I don't see why we can't cast the net a tad bit further and pick a foreign coach with reasonable English:confused: I remember a bit of a discussion around the cyprus match where a few posts were suggesting the cost a quality coach would cost, as in other countries of equal standing (Croatia, HJungary etc) and the salaries their coaches were paid in comparison to the ludicrous wages Gingernuts is on.

ainsie

08/02/2007, 1:01 PM

You must all be Masochistic. You must love been neaten up. I suppose its a way of getting frustration of your chest. But I'll spell this out. ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. I hope I'm wrong and would admit it but...do you think delaney will?(admit it) Stan will be the man in March. Maybe even beyond. Hes rebuilding after all. Thats whay Kilbane was in there last night , hes the future. Carr , would have been in there, Robbie Keane was there , the future, Ian Harte, a building block?

Give up lads close the tread.... hes staying!!!!!!

Wolfie

08/02/2007, 1:09 PM

Staunton to go would be a mercy killing at this stage. It just can't go on.

The lead up to the game had a holiday camp vibe to it. What, (or more importantly), what wasn't communicated to that group of players before that game?

Regardless of what level they play at and how well paid they are - the team needed to take to the field with a game plan and clear interpretation of what was expected from them.

The set pieces were a joke. I doubt they were even practiced / planned out. Some decent crosses were placed in the box and noone was there.

Did anyone watch how Germany beat San Marino? Around 8 of the 13 goals came from beating the full back and squaring the ball back to an oncoming player. Hardly tactical genius.

The team also veers from early over confidence to clueless, blind panic - trying to give off the vibe of a cool cat and they end up like a bunch of petrified chimps.

Rufus

08/02/2007, 1:21 PM

If Stauntons's CV had been given to the interview panel with nothing to indicate who he was would it have even been considered?

Irish_Praha

08/02/2007, 2:26 PM

If Stauntons's CV had been given to the interview panel with nothing to indicate who he was would it have even been considered?

Then he would have to exclude the fact that he has 103 caps, which as far I can see is the only reason, and a poor one at that, he would have been selected.

Ordinary Fan

08/02/2007, 2:34 PM

We were promised a world class manager and instead we got Staunton. He is not the only manager in Europe to be appointed without any previous experience but it was gamble and now it has failed.

He won't be sacked because Delaney would have to go with him. We are going to have a sad few years as Stan stumbles about talking sh... but we will most likely beat Wales despite him.

Over the post

08/02/2007, 2:39 PM

Jupp Heynkes.

I hear Gus Hiddink is up in court on tax evasion charges, maybe the judge could sentence him to manage Ireland as a kind of community service :D

Dr. Ogba

08/02/2007, 2:49 PM

Jupp Heynkes.

I hear Gus Hiddink is up in court on tax evasion charges, maybe the judge could sentence him to manage Ireland as a kind of community service :D

:D Nah man the punishment doesn't fit the crime!

"I sentence you to 4 years working for John Delaney and his cronies".....they would want to make sure to confiscate his belt and shoe-laces!

galwayhoop

08/02/2007, 3:20 PM

I think the suggestion that John Sheridan should be offered it may be a tad reactionary, he is doing well alright but this might be too big of a step up at this stage of his career.

pity delaney didn't think that about stan.

why on earth was he given the job in the first place??

is delaney purposely trying to ruin our football reputation??

i honestly can't see why delaney hired him... is stan his love child??

IsMiseSean

08/02/2007, 9:19 PM

I think its time we go down the foreigner route! A german or dutch manager.
Someone said wim jansen not a bad choice

backstothewall

08/02/2007, 9:47 PM

David O'Deary would be David Disaster. As someone who has followed villa since I was a kid (when they had Staunton, McGrath, Townsend and Houghton) I have seen O'Deary in action, and based on that I would prefer Staunton to stay.

Martin O'Neill is doing 2 or three times the job with basically the same players up until last week, Petrov excluded

If its a former Villa manager people want, John Gregory would be a far more preferable (and cheaper) choice.

Plus, we will likely need someone in place for the summer tour, and David O'Leary probably has his holidays booked by now :rolleyes:

joe_barry80

09/02/2007, 7:52 AM

I was ashamed to be Irish in that stadium last night.
1 Awful, awful performance by a team that does NOT care
2 gob shiiite pitch invader
3 minute silence to a dead policeman interrupted by mindless leprechaun-suited morons
4 result

And why are you morons apologising to Ealing Green? The guy hates us.

Can I add to that the f**cking idgits from whatever team up north singing IRA songs and f**k the queen songs. I'm sorry how the f**k can these songs motivate the team?

gustavo

09/02/2007, 8:29 AM

Then he would have to exclude the fact that he has 103 caps, which as far I can see is the only reason, and a poor one at that, he would have been selected.

They were probably thinking , well it worked for Van Basten , Rijjkaard (sp) and Klinsmann.

Lim till i die

09/02/2007, 8:44 AM

Think O'Leary is a realistic target. Looking at what the much acclaimed Martin O'Neill has done with the same players, his record at Villa is not that bad. While I'm not a huge fan of the man, he was successful during his initial period at Leeds, bringing them to the semi of the champions league.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

O'Leary is a SPOOFER of the absolute highest degree. Incapable of turning a bad situation around but rather blames everyone around him. Would also have the sever handicap (For David O'Leary anyway) of not being able to buy in players

gustavo

09/02/2007, 8:46 AM

Lim till i die

09/02/2007, 8:49 AM

i disagree that O'Leary was a chequebook manager which I presume was your assertion there. Any manager given the funds that O'Leary had at his disposal at the time would have used them to buy players.

Like Seth Johnson :rolleyes:

Not necessarily a chequebook manager. Just a crap one :ball:

gustavo

09/02/2007, 8:51 AM

Like Seth Johnson :rolleyes:

Not necessarily a chequebook manager. Just a crap one :ball:

At the time Johnson was a good prospect.

I'm by no means an O'Leary fan but you dont guide a team to the semi finals of the CL if you are crap no matter how much money was spent on the team.

Incidentally , O'Learys record at Aston Villa for this time last season is the same as O'Neills now , Does that mean O'Neill is crap too?

Lim till i die

09/02/2007, 9:01 AM

At the time Johnson was a good prospect.

I'm by no means an O'Leary fan but you dont guide a team to the semi finals of the CL if you are crap no matter how much money was spent on the team.

Incidentally , O'Learys record at Aston Villa for this time last season is the same as O'Neills now , Does that mean O'Neill is crap too?

O'Neill is another Spoofer

Brought a solid Leicster side to mid table in the Premiership

First in a two horse race in Scotland

Well Done.

Ask yourself why O'Leary can't get another job in England???

joe_barry80

09/02/2007, 9:34 AM

I'd put Klinsmann in there. He was offered the USA and Mexico jobs since the World Cup but has turned them down because he wanted complete control of Youth teams set up and EVERYthing to do with the senior team. I'd give him the keys in a minute.

He got killed in the german press because he was forever in the states where his family lives. The states job would have been perfect for him. Expect him to take over a MLS team maybe New York Redbulls?

joe_barry80

09/02/2007, 9:36 AM

David Pleat(could be stauntons father he`s that boring) Anyone?

Closed Account 2

09/02/2007, 9:45 AM

1 word :-

Aldridge

galwayhoop

09/02/2007, 11:24 AM

1 word :-

Aldridge

i'm with you on this. had a decent cup record with tranmere. and imo international football is more similar to the mentality of a cup run than a league (hope ye know what i mean).

he is also a popular enough character (lilly the pink for christ sake) who can deal with the media, would produce decent soundbites to keep the media & barstoolers happy, would hardly be expensive, anything is an improvement on 'da gaffer' and HE WOULD TAKE THE JOB unlike most other names mentioned here!!

Eirenua

09/02/2007, 11:37 AM

We need a manager who will kick these lazy bstards into gear. Someone they will fear, Aldridge is the only available choice. Roy if he was available, doubt he would take the job with all the clowns at the FAI at the moment
Aldridge for me. No foreigners.

Irish_Praha

09/02/2007, 11:40 AM

anything is an improvement on 'da gaffer' and HE WOULD TAKE THE JOB unlike most other names mentioned here!!

Yes they are the main points, he would be an improvement and a realistic target.
As was discussed on here when Delaney appointed Staunton, Kerr was just an O.K. international manager and it was probably better to replace him with someone bit more adventurous, but ONLY if we had a better replacement lined up. I don't think we would have improved greatly under Kerr but we would not have stooped to the lows of today with Staunton. So we should have stuck with Kerr for this campaign if there were no decent realistc targets. I'm not sure if Delaney really thought he had someone "world-class" when he said it. Then he was mistaken and his target refused the job or was too expensive so he rushed Staunton into the job so that he could deliver in time or if in fact Staunton was actually his no. 1 target. Maybe this was discussed on here at the time? I didnt get a chance to read all the posts/threads back then because there was so much activity on the board at the time of his appointment - a lot like the last few days :eek:

liam4galway

09/02/2007, 1:07 PM

Wolfie

09/02/2007, 1:37 PM

We don't need a manager like Aldo who hasn't been in charge for what 5 yrs now? O'Dreary would just make excuses......We need someone like Steve Coppell, warnock - someone who gets the best out of mediocre players.

It would be an ideal scenario to secure a decent manager who isn't from the "Inside Man" assembly line of former Irish players / coaches.

I'm well aware that most under this category are unaffordable or not interested.

A lot of what fuelled Jack Charlton's success was his complete disregard for "how things have been done here" mentality within the Irish set-up and FAI.

This team needs a real shake up - Big time.

backstothewall

09/02/2007, 6:30 PM

Hard to get, expensive, but maybe possible...

...Big Sam.

danonion

09/02/2007, 6:40 PM

I would say Neil Warnock would be a good one, except we'd have Paddy Kenny as the skipper, and the untouchables would be Alan and Stephen Quinn and Geary. (:

RiffRaff

09/02/2007, 10:57 PM

On a thread some months ago, someone mentioned Joe Royle. I think he would be ideal, or at least someone who has got the best out of limited players. I think we'd all prefer an irish manager but who is there?

Soper

09/02/2007, 10:58 PM

Oh great, appoint a manger who'll look for short term fixes in the form of granny rule players and overlook some domestic players and some u21's who might, nay probably are, good enough.

Irish_Praha

10/02/2007, 12:07 PM

I said this earlier but and it probably wouldn't happen but what about a manager from the EL. Pat Fenlon must be a little miracle worker, winning the league last season with all that was going on behind the scenes at Shels. Or maybe someone that knows the EL better could make a case for Kenny. Richardson might be pushing it a bit. The jurnos wouldn't be able to understand him, like Stan but for the opposite reason :p

Soper

10/02/2007, 12:17 PM

We then get a problem with an EL manager where *some of the current Irish squad act the boll**'s/charlie big boots and don't show any respect.

*Don't think I need to name names.

Bomb Landsdowne

10/02/2007, 12:41 PM

I would even prefer Roddy Collins than Staunton. And that says alot.

I would give Lawrie Sanchez and Stephen Kenny my vote.

Irish_Praha

12/02/2007, 1:02 PM

According to eleven-a-side Kenny Dalglish could come in as a short-term replacement. I would have mixed feeling on him.

As I said earlier there are not many Irish managers with a decent amount of experience to chose from.

The EL guys mentioned above, O'Leary, Whelan and Aldrige.
I think in a few seasons we would have more prospects in Roy Keane and John Sheridan but it's too early for them now and it could end up like with Stan and I never ever again want a manager learning his trade with out national team. Especially one that was camera shy in his playing days.
However, I couldn't see either of these two being as bad as him.
What about Jim Gannon since he took over at Stockport they have moved from relegation contenders to promotion contenders, winning their last 6 games. Was he anygood at Dundalk?

galwayhoop

12/02/2007, 1:21 PM

We don't need a manager like Aldo who hasn't been in charge for what 5 yrs now? O'Dreary would just make excuses......We need someone like Steve Coppell, warnock - someone who gets the best out of mediocre players.

are you serious!! do you really think that these guys are going to leave well paying jobs in the EPL to come and work for the shambles that is the FAI??

the last 3 managers we have had have been run out of merrion sq by a combination of the media and the FAI themselves. they have always looked to come up smelling of roses when they decide a manager has to go.

obviously the managers you mention would be candidates in an ideal world as they seem to get the best out of mediocre talent but they are currently legends in their club jobs (add sam aldardyce to your list too) and why risk that by coming to manage our 'so-called world class' underperformers?

BTW i couldn't give a toss about where the manager comes from as long as he makes the players realise that THEY are representing the nation when they take to the field. As long as they give every ounce then, in the eyes of the supporters, we don't really worry TOO much about the outcome. we are masters of 'glorious failure' (see: euro 88, italia 90, japan/korea 02) but failure can only be glorious when everything has been given in the effort for success.

carloz

12/02/2007, 7:10 PM

Is Otto Rehagal still with Greece, after what he did with them in the European Championships he has to be in with a shout. Always liked Sheridan so would be happy with that. Douth Roy Kezne would go near the job

cullenswood

14/02/2007, 8:39 AM

The common consensus out there is that Stan is not indeed the man, and that he doesn't have the necessary skill, judgement etc to lead this Ireland team forward.

I was just wondering who do people think should get the job, and also who they think would actually take the job.

osarusan

14/02/2007, 11:42 AM

I would appoint Podge, with Rodge as international football consultant.

They are already in place.

eirebhoy

15/02/2007, 6:15 PM

Boylesports odds (http://www.boylesports.com/betting/index.asp?sl=sltc&gi=6&sltc=48746.1&slm=525280.1)

Souness has to be worth the 50/1. :)

citizenerased

15/02/2007, 11:18 PM

Id be happy with dalglish for the short term,

Aldridge
Stephen Kenny
Trinidad and Tobagan coach...
Reneghal
Kevin Keegan(we' might win most games 5-4)

loads of coaches out there,

Colbert Report

16/02/2007, 2:44 AM

John Sheridan will be the next Irish manager, but not for a few years yet.

Bondvillain

16/02/2007, 2:45 AM

Kevin Keegan(we' might win most games 5-4)

So you reckon Keegan's settled on recalling Kenny and Pairing McShane & O Shea in defence then?

Ah thats cruel. I'm joking. I've no venomous hatred for Kenny or McShane.....

I'd go for Souness, purely to see the bulging neck-vein brigade go absolutely apoplectic at his appointment, or Claudio Ranieri , who I was thinking about just after the final whilstle last wednesday.... simply to see how he'd get on tinkering with our set up :

No interfering "hands on" chairman insisting on picking the team, with wodges and wodges of money

No wodges and wodges of money

a half dozen lads who are a bit 'good at football'
a half dozen who'd be more at home in the conference,

and a dozen or so who have at least one world beating 90 minutes in them before they hang up their boots and go run a Pub in Marbella.

Realistically, I'd have no problems with either Aldridge (Personable, historically strong in 'cup tie' type fixtures, shouty, a bit mad) or Sheridan ( A gent, clever, knows how to motivate cloggers to beat pros) but by the time the job comes round, Delaney's donkeys will most probably have decided that it's Dave O Leary's turn.

macdermesser

16/02/2007, 1:48 PM

Steve Coppell

not sure he has ambitions to manage a big club (after his experience with Man City) He would certainly warrant a big job after working wonders with Reading.
Gives the impression that he prefers to work with more of a challenge .. and the Irish job at the moment would certainly represent that.

Stiofan O' Capail for Ireland!

NeilMcD

16/02/2007, 2:03 PM

We are not going to get anybody that is in a job already as they will pay out on Staunton and probably should pay out on Delaney so does not leave much to get the new management team in place.

Bluebeard

16/02/2007, 2:56 PM

Not that I'd have a problem with him, or his various crazinesses per se, but has anyone else noticed the fact that we are seriously looking at appointing a former Rangers player and manager as boss of the national team.

My God, but Stan has seriously managed to build bridges in a way Miss Mary Mac never did! We should appoint him to head the negotiations between Sinn Fein and the DUP!

carloz

20/02/2007, 12:08 PM

but has anyone else noticed the fact that we are seriously looking at appointing a former Rangers player and manager as boss of the national team

really doesnt bother me anyhow. Id imagine he would at least ut a bit of passion in the team. He has at least got a personality unlike Stan. Just for example watch a Stan interview and a Keane interview. Keane talks sense and often throws in a joke or two when talking to th media, i personally would prefer to headbutt the wall than sit through a Staunton interview. I think Ranieri has taken the Parma job so he is out

DmanDmythDledge

21/02/2007, 1:36 PM

Stephen Kenny or Roy Keane.

EalingGreen

21/02/2007, 3:22 PM

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Peter Reid.
I'm not saying he's a good manager or a bad one, but he's experienced, available, probably not too hard to pay, not likely now to get a job with a "big" club in England and I think I remember reading once where he said his favourite holiday destination was Ireland (so he'll get on OK with the locals).
Maybe Delaney could sell him as "Big Jack Mk.II"?

cavan_fan

21/02/2007, 3:53 PM

EalingGreen

21/02/2007, 4:39 PM

I know you have it in for us but good god, I wouldnt wish that on England

I'm not saying he'd do a good job, merely pointing out that he's always in the list of "usual suspects" for this sort of thing.

Because, let's face it, you're not going to attract a big name like e.g. Marcelo Lippi or Jose Mourinho;
Roy Keane would cost far too much even if asked (which he won't be), or even if he were interested (which he's not, I'm sure)
The likes of John Sheridan may be promising, but is too inexperienced (imo), especially after a complete novice like Stan.
Mid-career managers like O'Neill, Allardyce, Curbishley, Strachan etc are not going to be enticed by what is essentially a part-time job, at this stage in their career.
You're not going to appoint an Eircom manager.

So once you get beyond the obvious Irish candidates who've managed before, like Aldridge or O'Leary, it's liable to be another English/Scottish appointee, with a lot of experience, who's nearing the end of his career.
And if Dalglish is a possible, then someone like Reid may not be too far behind?