New Irish manager

[RogerMilla]

Playing devil's advocate here but you could argue that at least Aldridge got a team to a major final which O'Leary never managed to do despite having how much bigger of a budget?

champions league semi final is inferior to a worthington cup final ??

[Mayo_Bhoy]

Playing devil's advocate here but you could argue that at least Aldridge got a team to a major final which O'Leary never managed to do despite having how much bigger of a budget?

Dont want to see either of them appointed but i'd rather get a team to a Champions League semi final rather than a League Cup final. You cant possibly compare the two

[Wolfie]

Neither Aldridge nor O'Leary are the answer. They're out of work for so long for a reason.

[Drumcondra 69er]

champions league semi final is inferior to a worthington cup final ??

As I said, playing devils advocate, O'Leary never made a final and lost it after demoting Eddie Gray to make room for Brian Kidd, he'd need a good number 2 beside him. Aldridge at least got his day out.

It's all relative onbiously, of course having a run to the semis of the CL is a bigger achievement but making any sort of final on the sort of budget Aldridge was working off is very laudable.

[shanman2]

As I said, playing devils advocate, O'Leary never made a final and lost it after demoting Eddie Gray to make room for Brian Kidd, he'd need a good number 2 beside him. Aldridge at least got his day out.

It's all relative onbiously, of course having a run to the semis of the CL is a bigger achievement but making any sort of final on the sort of budget Aldridge was working off is very laudable.


I don't think either can do the job properly. Regardless of what they achieved over the space of a season. I think Daithi would have to be the choice of the two. But only after Jewell,
Coppel and

[Drumcondra 69er]

I don't think either can do the job properly. Regardless of what they achieved over the space of a season. I think Daithi would have to be the choice of the two. But only after Jewell,
Coppel and


All fair comment, neither would be my choice. Hoped Aldo was going to get it last time after it but only after it became totally obvious the no one wanted it (was O'Neill even asked or did Delaney just spin it so his mate could get the jpb) and the FAI weren't going to pay top whack.

They need to pull out all thw stops this time if they're to sell out the rumoured Brazil and Italy games next year, let alone have any chance of selling corporate tickets and 10 year tickets.

[Stuttgart88]

was O'Neill even asked
Delaney got Mickey Walsh to ask a friend of O'Neill.

[Ireland4ever]

Delaney got Mickey Walsh to ask a friend of O'Neill.

Coppell would be my choice, he is an intelligent manager who plays attractive football.

[Metrostars]

Klinsmann anyone? He was offered the US job last year but didnt take it as he wanted to change the structure of US Soccer along with it. Not doing anything now...

[geysir]

Klinsmann anyone? He was offered the US job last year but didnt take it as he wanted to change the structure of US Soccer along with it. Not doing anything now...

Well thats Jurgen fécked then for the Irish job.

[geysir]

Stutts didn't you have a chat with Mickey Walsh about it, heard it from the horses mouth?

[Armando]

Klinsmann anyone? He was offered the US job last year but didnt take it as he wanted to change the structure of US Soccer along with it. Not doing anything now...


...Except living the life of Reilly out in California!:D
I don't think he'd consider the job because he and his family are very settled in the US. He almost had to be dragged kicking and screaming from there to coach his country on home soil in the World Cup. So, I think it's safe to say he is in the 'not a hope' category.

[finnpark]

It has to be alridge. An international manager really needs to structure a team (preferrably defensively) and motivate them. I think Aldridge would do ok!!

[danonion]

Attractive football should not be a criterion for choosing the manager. I want results. A good manager will use the players we have to better effect, i doubt that it will be condusive to attractive football. Give me Sam Allardyce, Mourinho , a coach who gets results and isn't fussed how the team plays to get it.

[Scram]

Totally agree with you Noely both you and you guitar are right.

Ditto and PLEASE NO O'Leary. How about Dunphy, Giles and Brady with O'Herlihy driving the bus?

[stojkovic]

It can't be any second rate Premiership manager (Coppell, Jewell, Dowie etc) and it cant be someone who hasnt worked for the last three years. And forget ex-Internationals like Aldo, Moran, Whelan etc

We have to pay the big bucks and chase the big guns - Mourinho, Scolari, Cappello, Hiddink, Beenhakker, Rijkaard etc.

You never know, we just might get one of them.

Gotta be foreign, no reason why he couldnt have an Irish assistant like Hughton or Heighway or the like.

[paul_oshea]

or staunton....

[craig7042]

[QUOTE=stojkovic;795732]It can't be any second rate Premiership manager (Coppell, Jewell, Dowie etc) and it cant be someone who hasnt worked for the last three years. And forget ex-Internationals like Aldo, Moran, Whelan etc

We have to pay the big bucks and chase the big guns - Mourinho, Scolari, Cappello, Hiddink, Beenhakker, Rijkaard etc.



I totally agree. Anyone who slated Stan and then mentions Aldo, Moran,Whelan, Roy HODGSON!?!, is just hypocritical. They are all on the same level.

I dont agree that we'll get any of the big names you mention.

I think theres an inbetween - O'Leary (player and managerial experience). But for me Dunphy and the media will destroy him within two games like Stan.

I cant think of many, but SOUNESS is my choice. (player and managerial experience AND he has a bit of character to face up the media and maybe even to impress some of them. (he's a scum bag basically) VENABLES would be another similar option.

[Armando]

[QUOTE=stojkovic;795732]It can't be any second rate Premiership manager (Coppell, Jewell, Dowie etc) and it cant be someone who hasnt worked for the last three years. And forget ex-Internationals like Aldo, Moran, Whelan etc

We have to pay the big bucks and chase the big guns - Mourinho, Scolari, Cappello, Hiddink, Beenhakker, Rijkaard etc.



I totally agree. Anyone who slated Stan and then mentions Aldo, Moran,Whelan, Roy HODGSON!?!, is just hypocritical. They are all on the same level.

I dont agree that we'll get any of the big names you mention.

I think theres an inbetween - O'Leary (player and managerial experience). But for me Dunphy and the media will destroy him within two games like Stan.

I cant think of many, but SOUNESS is my choice. (player and managerial experience AND he has a bit of character to face up the media and maybe even to impress some of them. (he's a scum bag basically) VENABLES would be another similar option.

:confused:

How in Gods name is Hodgson on the same level as Aldo, Moran and Whelan?!
....then you go on to recommend Souness and Venables.:confused:

I give up!

[Closed Account 2]

Mike Newell

There's a fan of Irish football from Argentina, who appears on the various forums, when we are going through a bad patch, with suggestions on how we could improve.
He has suggested Carlos Bianchi as our new manager.
He has an excellent club record in Argentina but wasn't very successfull in European football. Maybe he has a communication problem with people from outside of Argentina? Or perhaps he suffers from home sickness?
Anyway, might be worth a shot. He's free at the moment too.
http://footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=manager&Id=4&mn=Carlos_Bianchi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Bianchi

Oh my god it's Larry David from Curb your enthusiasm

[Newryrep]

[QUOTE=craig7042;795877]

:confused:

How in Gods name is Hodgson on the same level as Aldo, Moran and Whelan?!
....then you go on to recommend Souness and Venables.:confused:

I give up!

Seconded, Craig stop smoking whatever you are smoking

[Drumcondra 69er]

[QUOTE=stojkovic;795732]

I totally agree. Anyone who slated Stan and then mentions Aldo, Moran,Whelan, Roy HODGSON!?!, is just hypocritical. They are all on the same level.

I dont agree that we'll get any of the big names you mention.

I think theres an inbetween - O'Leary (player and managerial experience). But for me Dunphy and the media will destroy him within two games like Stan.

I cant think of many, but SOUNESS is my choice. (player and managerial experience AND he has a bit of character to face up the media and maybe even to impress some of them. (he's a scum bag basically) VENABLES would be another similar option.

Most ill informed post on the entire thread. you'd sooner Souness or Veanables then Roy Hodgson???? Are you insane??

[paul_oshea]

[QUOTE=craig7042;795877]

:confused:

How in Gods name is Hodgson on the same level as Aldo, Moran and Whelan?!
....then you go on to recommend Souness and Venables.:confused:

I give up!

Armando I read some of these posts and it makes me think how and I dont know how to put this any other way but stupid are some people views, can you imagine if thats how delaney thinks, then I see no suprises. I honestly think it shows a lack of any football related knowledge to want to appoint souness or his like. He has been muck, bar a couple of average seasons with Blackburn in the last 10 years. He has nothing going for him, and should under no circumstances be approached about the job.

[paul_oshea]

Most ill informed post on the entire thread. you'd sooner Souness or Veanables then Roy Hodgson???? Are you insane??

D'er its not stojkovic that posted that. It was a combination.

[Closed Account 2]

I don't see Hodgson taking over, he is currently in charge of Finland, who have an outside chance of pipping Poland, Portugal and Serbia to get to Euro 2008.

I think we won't get anyone in till after the 2010 qual. draw. Then who we get might be highly dependant on the group we're in.

[paul_oshea]

what i dont want is someone coming in and saying we are building for 2012, like kerr and staunton did. That crap can only go on for so long.

I noticed someone mentioned how many good coaches/managers have been produced in scotland over the last few years, i was reading something from walter smith about a training school up there for managers/coaches that they all had attended along with the likes of jose mourinho and other big managers. If someone can post it its a good read, as I cant find it.

got this off the site though and couldn't help but laugh: "But the gangster bandwagon that is th F.A.I. is solely to blame for another summer of watching other countries compete in exciting tournaments. Delaney couldnt manage your local Lidl, so to entrust him with ensuring the future of football in Ireland is akin to asking a 4 year old not to eat the bag of sweets you just handed him.
"

[CollegeTillIDie]

I think we should look outside Republic of Ireland candidates to get away from people pally with FAI officials, croneyism , and what Dunphy used to call decentskinsmanship. If you want Irish think Northerners. Someone foreign would be best , English or Welsh maybe . A Scottish option might be best look cross channel Alex Ferguson has been the most successful club coach of the last 20 years. There are many other competent Scots coaches operating there. Arsene Wenger's French, but as Houllier the leading available candidate failed as France manager... eh no. Some of the Dutch candidate suggested might be interesting but maybe we should look further afield. German coaches travel well, Serb, Croat etc coaches also travel well someone like Milutinovic might be an option ( he must have been on less money at Costa Rica than Stan is on )

[Supreme feet]

David O'Leary seems to be the bookies favourite - and I don't think he would be a bad choice. Leeds played some fantastic football under him, many players such as Bowyer, Harte, Smith, Viduka, Kewell and Bridges played the best football of their careers under him, and they seemed to have a good team spirit - he created a seige mentality which the players responded positively to.

Aston Villa was a different kettle of fish. He had no money to spend and was burdened with some average players. Yet he still brought through some good young players, (like Ridgewell, Agbonlahor, Davis) and kept them in the Premiership. Many bigger-name managers have endured relegation with big clubs in similar positions.

I'd be happier with a foreign manager, but looking at who's available and who might be interested, I wouldn't be unhappy to see O'Leary in there. He's not to everyone's taste, I know, but he shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

[bennocelt]

They should appoint a three-man team

BRADY
DUNPHY
GILES

Dunphy can play the Mick Byrne role.

brilliant:):):)

[bennocelt]

conveniently ignoring the fact that Houllier has a World Cup Winners Medal from Assisting Aime Jacquet in 1998.

Plus looks like any old mug can win 2 French League titles on the bounce... :rolleyes:

Not to mention he was instrumental in the setup of Clairefontaine - which happens to be arguably the finest football academy in the world

that French team didnt need a manager..they ahd Zidane and one of the best international teams i have ever seen..............despite Jacquet who didnt really know what was going on (man do you not follow these things:eek:)

Lyon were set up by paul le guen.....that was his team............(and the fact french football aint that much..............re cascarino

Houiller? funny, the liverpool fans were so relieved to be shot of him in the end


lets get serious..ireland needs a manager who has experience with international football............and not keep looking to english prenmeir has beens
we need Leo Benhakker, Roy Hodgson, Trouisser, Bora Mutilonannic (spelling!!!)...Greek manager......etc..................these kinds of guys

[viagogo]

....should have went for Guus Hiddink when we had the chance.

Agree 100%.[/quote]

According to Wikipedia Hiddink's contract expires in June 2008 and he has expressed an interest in managing Australia again after this. He is on about 1.7 millon euro a year with Russia (plus bonuses). Cant see Ireland matching this but it would be interesting to see what Australia offer.

[bennocelt]

[QUOTE=Stuttgart88;795030]Martin Jol may be out of Spurs soon, but would probably go to Ajax.[/QUO

Decent high-profile managers, such as Jol, will almost certainly prefer to continue in the more "prestigious" and lucrative Club management, as you say Stutts........unfortunately!:(

Jol is rubbish, all talk, rubbish at tactics
leaves Spurs then we will never see him again..........guaranteed

knew Spurs wouldnt do anything this season
were lucky the last 2 seasons, and remember they should have got a CL place the last two years............with or without all their excuses

[eirebhoy]

Agree 100%.

According to Wikipedia Hiddink's contract expires in June 2008 and he has expressed an interest in managing Australia again after this. He is on about 1.7 millon euro a year with Russia (plus bonuses). Cant see Ireland matching this but it would be interesting to see what Australia offer.[/QUOTE]
Hidding signed an extension with Russia until 2010.

[Newryrep]

According to Wikipedia Hiddink's contract expires in June 2008 and he has expressed an interest in managing Australia again after this. He is on about 1.7 millon euro a year with Russia (plus bonuses). Cant see Ireland matching this but it would be interesting to see what Australia offer.

A better bloody climate for a start - se also Trinidad and Tobago and all those middle east teams

We have to be realistic with regards who would want the job - it will NOT be a top tier manager.

[shakermaker1982]

David O'Leary is not the solution, he won't be able to buy in a team so he'd be useless. I'd be happy enough/content with Paul Jewell but Houllier would be more to my liking.

[shakermaker1982]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/stan-wont-walk-1200261.html

looks like it will cost the FAI a million euros to get rid of Stan. Don Givens likely to manage the team against Wales if Stan is sacked.....

[CollegeTillIDie]

He already managed the national team once before so why not for this one game.

[backstothewall]

There is no rush. we don't really need a permanant manager until 2008/09 season.

If Jewell would take it now i would go for him, or Houllier who i think would do a good job, although i would like to see him given responsibility for a lot of under age structures and sorting them out if he is available. But far better to wait for the right man to come available, rather than rushing an appointment now.

Who knows who will be out of a job by the end of the season, or how well John Sheridan might do and come into the reckoning

[Morbo]

I'm tired of people saying Keane should get the job, yes he had a very good season with Sunderland last year but he has still only been a manager for a little over a year and 1 good season doesn't make you a great manager, add to that his appointment is likely to divide the squad, Saipan isn't ancient history yet and there is bound to be a few who wouldn't be overly happy with Keane's appointment, it would be wise to wait another few years before considering Keane.

I'd love to see Hiddink, Beenhacker[sp?] or Coppell get it but that seems unlikely, of the likely candidates I'd go with Jewell.

Paddy power have Brady at 20-1 and Giles at 33-1, are they having a laff? No way I can see Giles getting it, Brady is just about within the realms of possibility but should be more like a 100-1.

[craig7042]

[QUOTE=craig7042;795877]

:confused:

How in Gods name is Hodgson on the same level as Aldo, Moran and Whelan?!
....then you go on to recommend Souness and Venables.:confused:

I give up!


I believe that the media and Dunphy are the key to everything at this time in Ireland. They have destroyed 3 managers now, singlehandedly, because they didnt respect them and the managers didnt play ball with them.

So the next manager has to impress the fools...
When I read a name I think - will they make mincemeat of him?

They need to have character and personality in terms of standing up to the media. Will Hodgson really stand in front of that media group and impress them? Will he command their respect?

I think Venables would talk the talk and so too Souness. And by the way I do believe that the only good england team I've ever seen was in euro 96 - they had a simple but effective system and they attacked. Souness would have presence and experience to command respect even though he hasnt been a big success. How many people have had massive success

Now let me get this straight. This is a stupid way of picking a manager and I'm not a believer AT ALL in manager's having to have presence and personality. If they can do the job then thats what should count. But do you not think that McCarthys Barnsley accent affected how some people viewed him? Do you not admit that Stans mumble annoyed people? Its completely stupid ,but I think you need someone the media will respect as a personality.........

[Kivlehan]

I'm tired of people saying Keane should get the job

From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/10/21/sfnbrf121.xml

Keane refutes Republic of Ireland speculation

Sunderland boss Roy Keane has denied that he is set to replace embattled Republic of Ireland manager Steve Staunton and has commited his long-term future to the club.

He said: "I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. What happens with the FAI and what manager they decide to employ now or in the future doesn't concern me."

[danonion]

Not pleased, but I've put big money on Dowie, he's going to land the job

[OwlsFan]

I believe that the media and Dunphy are the key to everything at this time in Ireland. They have destroyed 3 managers now, singlehandedly, because they didnt respect them and the managers didnt play ball with them.

So the next manager has to impress the fools...
When I read a name I think - will they make mincemeat of him?



I think you exaggerate the influence of Coco the Clown. Saipan/Keane and the qualifying campaign that followed destroyed Mick. When a manager falls out with his top player and the results don't go well, there is only going to be one winner there. Even if Coco was in favour of Mick, the large section of Keane fans would have ensured the demise of Mick. I wasn't too disappointed to see Mick go even though I had no time for the self-serving Corkman as I thought that Mick had brought us as far as he could.

Brian Kerr: I don't remember any massive campaign by the special one against him. Football is a results game. If you don't get the results, the fans and media turn against you. Hence, exit Kerr stage right.

Next to no fans/media supported the appointment of the "world class team" (certainly not the 4 year contract). If Bobby R didn't get sick and could have held Stan's hand a bit more, who knows but it wasn't to be. I don't think Drunkphy had a major impact on any of those decisions (although Stan isn't gone yet). We don't need Dunphy to tells us 5-2 in Cyprus and the other results aren't acceptable. Most people can think for themselves and don't need someone who hasn't managed even so much as an Under 11 local team to tell us who or who is not up to the job.

[Irish_Praha]

Although it was never going to happen we can rule Mourinho out now too.
From Sportinglife/News of the world
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/07/10/21/manual_103528.html&TEAMHD=soccer

He told the News of the World: "I couldn't see myself coaching any national team other than Portugal. If I were coach of another team and had to face Portugal, it would be wrong.

He added: "I'm completely against having foreigners with national teams, not because I doubt the professionalism with which they do it, but I think that a national team should bring together the best players and the best coach from each country.

"The national team is an obsession for me but it will be at the end of my career. Let there be no doubt about that."
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His last statement about the best coach from the country to manage the national side is probably spot on for a larger country than Ireland or at least a country with a better national league that has experience managing teams in the group stages of European competitions. However, Ireland has no stand-out candidate. So IMO we just have to aim for a foreign manager.

If we were now back in 2002 and looking for a manager after McCarthy it would be more accectable to try out a successful EL manager, an ex-player or someone with only a few years experience in management. However, the fallout from the Kerr and Stan era is that anything other than a respected manager with a good record at international level or a high level of club football, will not be given much of a chance from the fans or the media. After 5 years of mediocracy (or worse) we need/deserve something a bit special. However, I can't see this happening as in all fairness it's not a very attractive job at the moment, but maybe there is a decent manager out there who sees the potential of this team and would relish the challenge of giving the players a kick in the @rse and taking on the Irish media and oh yeah dealing with the FAI. I think we are destined to get someone like Dowie, Jewell etc. and have to hope they have what it takes.

[Irish_Praha]

Coppell seems to be getting a good few mentions in the Sunday papers over here. Maybe he has taken reading as far as he can go?

He would be a great appointment but I think considering what he has done for Reading they wouldn't be so keen to let him go even if they are relegation cadidates for the whole season. I reckon they would give him another season in the Championship. Similar to what Birmingham have done with Steve Bruce, although his job is in the balance for other reasons at the moment.

Could the FAI pay off Stan, pay compensation for a manager who is already in a job and still have enough funds left over to offer a good wage?

If Stan had any true feelings for Irish football he would terminate his contract and leave without asking for compensation. I would have a lot more respect for him then.

[eirebhoy]

Not pleased, but I've put big money on Dowie, he's going to land the job
Where did you get the odds? I e-mailed Paddy Power and they told me he was 50/1. I can't find the market on their website today though.

According to the Indo, Coppell is very interested in the job and the FAI are willing to pay up to €1.5m a year.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Not pleased, but I've put big money on Dowie, he's going to land the job

I would be very, very surprised if the Blonde Adonis got the job. I'm not sure why as there's a couple of former NI players I could see and wouldn't mind seeing managing us.

He also has a decent chance of taking Coventry City up this season.

As for Steve Coppell. Notwithstanding Readings indifferent form I would be surprised if any current premiership manager walked out of their job to move into the relative backwater of international football unless it entailed a substantial pay hike.

The English job aside, I can't think of a single top-flight-in-England manager who's left a job to take an international gig in the last 25 years.

Open to correction ...and job shares don't count.

[pete]

According to the Indo, Coppell is very interested in the job and the FAI are willing to pay up to €1.5m a year.

Insane money for unproven manager. That money would get you a world class experienced proven manager.

There is a long list of managers who have got teams promoted to the Premier League only to fail. Coppell would not be able to handle the media pressure & based on this season prone to some bizarre tactics.

[Noelys Guitar]

For betting purposes Houllier at 40/1 must be the best bet. Would'nt be my choice but I can see the FAI going for someone like him. Can handle the media. Has had some success (and failures). Has managed at international and premiership level.

[NeilMcD]

I would not have Dowie for the job at all. Other than the amazing season he ad with Palace where he got them promoted he has been poor.