New Irish manager [Archive] - Page 33

ShamrockIreland

07/01/2008, 7:29 PM

I just hope that the 3 wise men and the FAI don't f##k it up for us again. We need a decent manager but talk of bringing back paranoid who said that Mick McCarthy is a joke. Charlton didn't have much support and would have been considered a dodgy candidate today by all off us but he worked wonders. I'm oppossed to Venables,Hoddle,McCarthy but someone from the rest will do. Just get someone in to stop all the chat

eekers

07/01/2008, 7:30 PM

shakermaker1982

07/01/2008, 7:40 PM

Jol
Allardyce
Coppell
McCarthy
Sanchez
Coleman
Sheridan

are they realistic contenders? Big Sam will have to be sacked by Sunday to have a slim chance of getting a late call by Houghton and co. Coppell is content at Reading and even though McCarthy is hanging on at Wolves he would need to be sacked pretty quickly to enter the race. Sanchez is a possibility but will he get an interview?

ShamrockIreland

07/01/2008, 7:41 PM

the candidates that have applied (that houghton said were the usual suspects) are kendell etc that sent in their cvs and the trio binned them.

the candidates interviewed are not these same eejits that applied and hopefully not the usual suspects.
hodgson for example wasnt a usual suspect.

I've nothing against Mick but he has had his time. I hope its not Kendalls etc who are being looked at. Houghton is a shrewd bloke and hopefully he can interview a decent candiate. We need something different and as you said Hodgson wasn't the usual type. I would like somebody who has a lot of International experience but knowing us we'll end up with Hoddle or someone who couldn't be employed in the Eircom first Division

tetsujin1979

07/01/2008, 8:08 PM

Just to take a different tack - according to football365, the shortlist for the Scotland job includes Tommy Burns, Mark McGhee, Craig Levein, Billy Davies and John Collins. Seeing as how we're a similar team to Scotland, and take the majority of our players from the same level, who of those would you have ahead of El Tel? Or Brady? Or O'Leary?

Noelys Guitar

07/01/2008, 8:27 PM

the candidates that have applied (that houghton said were the usual suspects) are kendell etc that sent in their cvs and the trio binned them.

the candidates interviewed are not these same eejits that applied and hopefully not the usual suspects.
hodgson for example wasnt a usual suspect.

he was someone the trio reckoned could do the job and they will no doubt have a few other good candidates interviewed like jol and coppell

Hodgson did not apply. He was contacted by the 3 amigo's on the same day Fulham contacted him. I am hoping that particulary Houghton is going out and is actively seeking good candidates.

eekers

07/01/2008, 9:50 PM

Hodgson did not apply. He was contacted by the 3 amigo's on the same day Fulham contacted him. I am hoping that particulary Houghton is going out and is actively seeking good candidates.

thats what am saying
no one who applied is getting interviewed i doubt

Greenforever

07/01/2008, 10:49 PM

If Brady is willing to give up his good job at Arsenal and bring Wenger :D as his no 2 he should be given the job, the reality is that as in 2002 and 2006 there is no genuine contender even interested in the job.

Noelys Guitar

07/01/2008, 11:59 PM

Examiner says 3 amigos still to interview 6 candidates.

Bondvillain

08/01/2008, 12:25 AM

eekers

08/01/2008, 12:44 AM

Interviews are pointless.

Either the FAI know who enough about world football to employ the right man to lead our team (and how to get him) , or they dont.

An "interview process" consisting of Houghton, Howe and Givens genially chatting with men who will inevetably be employed elsewhere by the time this "Wonka golden ticket" style farce is finished suggests they don't.

what???
the fai have shown with the last appointment they dont know enough about football to pick a manager. and they have admitted this. and they have handed the process over to people within the game.
i cant see how anyone can have a problem with this??

the process shouldn't be judged on the length of time it is taking, but on who we see appointed at the end of the day.

tetsujin1979

08/01/2008, 12:55 AM

the process shouldn't be judged on the length of time it is taking, but on who we see appointed at the end of the day.
That's a good point, but the longer it goes on, more and more of the best candidates are being appointed to jobs, so who are we going to be left with?

irishfan86

08/01/2008, 5:37 AM

That's a good point, but the longer it goes on, more and more of the best candidates are being appointed to jobs, so who are we going to be left with?

I tend to disagree with this popular sentiment of a limited supply of managers.

The managerial positions play out like musical chairs, and the reality is that there are more qualified managers than there are positions.

There are good managers out there, and after reading that the 3 amigos made contact with Hodgson, I think we should have more faith in these 3 than we've had so far.

Can't see Houghton going along with a Delaney conspiracy to hire Venables, and I can't see Delaney wanting Venables considering all of the conspiracy talk.

This process does have its faults, but at least we do have footballing people doing this, and at least they are taking their time to consider the candidates.

Last time we rightfully slaughtered Delaney for appointing Stan without a critical approach, and the fact that he's not a football person also troubled many of us.

Personally, I'm going to give the 3 amigos the benefit of the doubt and hold my praise or criticism for when their job is done. If they have the smarts to go after the likes of Hodgson, we may end up with someone decent enough in the end.

PaulB

08/01/2008, 6:54 AM

Didier Deschamps anyone, heard his name mentioned last night as someone who was in the mix, not been talked about a lot, may not be a bad option given some of the other name sbene bandied around

irishfan86

08/01/2008, 7:17 AM

Didier Deschamps anyone, heard his name mentioned last night as someone who was in the mix, not been talked about a lot, may not be a bad option given some of the other name sbene bandied around

I'd love that decision.

amaccann

08/01/2008, 7:37 AM

That's a good point, but the longer it goes on, more and more of the best candidates are being appointed to jobs, so who are we going to be left with?
There's no basis for that thinking - there's plenty of good manager out there, it's just that we've shown limited imagination (by "we" I mean collectively, both fans and the press) by dredging up the same list of English-based out of work candidates. Just because Hodgson took on Fulham doesn't mean the well is drying up.

paul_oshea

08/01/2008, 9:04 AM

who coined "bandied about/around", he could now be a millionaire if he had patented it because of the footballing community and its merry band of intellects.

Stuttgart88

08/01/2008, 9:17 AM

Some bloke called Shakespeare I think. Quite a few phrases have been atributed to him down the years.

osarusan

08/01/2008, 9:19 AM

The only positive thing about the length of time this process is taking is that some decent manager somewhere may become available before it comes to a close.

paul_oshea

08/01/2008, 9:19 AM

stuts the sarcasm isn't lost on me, maybe his ancestors would be then, but I have a feeling its a little more recent than that.

it would be great if deschamps got it, but thats probably because of all the other names flying about....

osa* thats what i was thinking too....they'll exhaust all others then suddenly a magical new manager will come along.

Stuttgart88

08/01/2008, 9:23 AM

The first time I came across the expression "to bandy" was in King Lear at school.

osarusan

08/01/2008, 9:24 AM

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/37/messages/1000.html

"Bandy" originated from an Old French word "Bander", which was used in an early form of tennis and meant to "hit a ball to and fro". Later, in the early 17th century, "Bandy" became the name of an Irish team game from which hockey evolved. The ball was "bandied" back and forth between players. The crooked shape of the stick with which the game was played has produced the modern expression "bandy-legged".

paul_oshea

08/01/2008, 9:25 AM

oh really? thats interesting, king lear was 12 years gone by the time I was in school ;) , maybe then "bandied about" is a bacstardisation of this term you came across.

ifk101

08/01/2008, 9:30 AM

Bandy, the game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy

It's basically Shinty on ice.

amaccann

08/01/2008, 10:08 AM

Least the process has been educational!

colster

08/01/2008, 10:12 AM

Just read in the mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/01/08/mccarthy-wants-ireland-job-89520-20278420/
that McCarthy wants the job.

Wouldn't be a bad appointment.

Lionel Ritchie

08/01/2008, 10:17 AM

Just read in the mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/01/08/mccarthy-wants-ireland-job-89520-20278420/
that McCarthy wants the job.

Wouldn't be a bad appointment.

Stopped reading after the words "Mick McCarthy has told close Friends".

Fairytales, musings and outright lies thereafter for absolute certain.

Dr. Ogba

08/01/2008, 10:23 AM

Just read in the mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/01/08/mccarthy-wants-ireland-job-89520-20278420/
that McCarthy wants the job.

Wouldn't be a bad appointment.

what a backwards move that would be....would sooner have Venebles than McCarthy...

irishfan86

08/01/2008, 10:26 AM

what a backwards move that would be....would sooner have Venebles than McCarthy...

I definitely disagree.

He'd also be committed.

No problems with Mick at all.

I don't think he managed the Saipain situation well, but I think Keane was just as bad for walking out.

jbyrne

08/01/2008, 10:27 AM

the FAI will go with a safe option. he may be disliked within the FAI (although i've never seen proof) but i strongly believe o'leary will get it. he has a semi decent enough management record and is Irish. the fact that the process has gone on so long has kinda backed the FAI into a corner where they cant make a risky appointment and too many of the other contenders have risks attached to them in the public / media view

amaccann

08/01/2008, 10:30 AM

I just realised that if it's the 22nd an announcement of the new manager is made, I'll be in New Zealand at the time. Ha. Wondering whether to look it up while I'm there or wait til I return in February and have the "surprise"

Jerry The Saint

08/01/2008, 10:37 AM

Bandy, the game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy

It's basically Shinty on ice.

I've seen that on betfair, never knew what it was. You know your gambling habit is getting out of hand if you find yourself staring at the screen contemplating a wager on the Swedish Bandy league ;):D

Back on-topic though - I would love to think that the likes of Deschamps and Koeman (in a very deep hole right now at Valencia) are on the wishlist of the FAI. I mean, there's no reason why they wouldn't be great candidates. Sorry, there is one reason - never played in England :(

ifk101

08/01/2008, 10:41 AM

I've seen that on betfair, never knew what it was. You know your gambling habit is getting out of hand if you find yourself staring at the screen contemplating a wager on the Swedish Bandy league

Tillberga to beat Hammarby (tomorrow) . Odds 6/1 ;)

Stuttgart88

08/01/2008, 11:14 AM

On merit I'd be happy enough with McCarthy. However, regardless of anyone's view of Saipan, appointing him would be controversial and divisive and would be a bad move.

citizenerased

08/01/2008, 11:32 AM

Noelys Guitar

08/01/2008, 11:42 AM

Givens said the 3 amigos have 12 candidates on a short list! ?That would suggest not much of a difference in quality from 1 to 12.

Stuttgart88

08/01/2008, 11:44 AM

I'd hate to know what he thinks a long list looks like.

irishfan86

08/01/2008, 12:16 PM

I remember how his persistance with harte, and duff and keane used to infuriate me..he hasnt got what it takes to be a top coach..end of..

At the time Duff was playing his best football with Blackburn, Harte was playing in the Champions League with Leeds, and Keane was a promising young striker.

McCarthy isn't perfect, but your critique is full of holes.

jbyrne

08/01/2008, 12:17 PM

no i was thinking about McCarthy objectively and I have to so no way...I remember how his persistance with harte, and duff and keane used to infuriate me..he hasnt got what it takes to be a top coach..end of..

what??

harte - our highest scorer in wc 2002 campaign. no natural left back in the squad without him since he has since been omitted. no world beater but after irwins retirement who exactly did we have for left back??

i presume you refer to the duff and keane partnership up front which was regularly spotted in our only successful campaign in 14 yrs??

maybe credit the guy with making the most of the limited resources we had at the time and showing a little imagination in doing so

Noelys Guitar

08/01/2008, 12:55 PM

A few weeks back McCarthy for some reason praised the FAI in a Wolves weekly news conference. I knew then he wanted the job. McCarthy is looking at the candidates thinking I'm better than most of those. And he is right to think that. I don't think he will get the job but he is one of only two people to have qualified us for a World Cup Finals.

Drumcondra 69er

08/01/2008, 1:23 PM

At the time Duff was playing his best football with Blackburn, Harte was playing in the Champions League with Leeds, and Keane was a promising young striker.

McCarthy isn't perfect, but your critique is full of holes.

Correct. However, the facts don't tend to get a look in with people who's only view of McCarthy comes from peeking out of Roy Keane's hole.

Personally I think hiring McCarthy again would be too divisive and a backwards step but on his record in comparison to other candidate we could do worse.

Drumcondra 69er

08/01/2008, 1:24 PM

Duplicate post

Dr. Ogba

08/01/2008, 1:24 PM

no i was thinking about McCarthy objectively and I have to so no way...I remember how his persistance with harte, and duff and keane used to infuriate me..he hasnt got what it takes to be a top coach..end of..

not to mention bringing on Matt Holland for his debut just as we were about to walk away from Macedonia with 3 points and automatic qualification for Euro 2000....

Forget Saipan, that's what I'll never forgive McCarthy for....

Noelys Guitar

08/01/2008, 1:29 PM

not to mention bringing on Matt Holland for his debut just as we were about to walk away from Macedonia with 3 points and automatic qualification for Euro 2000....

Forget Saipan, that's what I'll never forgive McCarthy for....

That was keith O'Neill not Holland. If we finished in second spot in this group everyone would be delighted. McCarthy got us to a stage that we needed that win to qualify.

Dr. Ogba

08/01/2008, 1:34 PM

That was keith O'Neill not Holland. If we finished in second spot in this group everyone would be delighted. McCarthy got us to a stage that we needed that win to qualify.

I know it was Keith O'Neill on the post but the fact of the matter is that we were cruising in that match and looked more likely to score again until he brought on Holland to "protect" the lead which gave Macedonia the confidence to attack us....utterly shocking tactics and also a repeat of the ultra-defensive line-up he put out against Croatia (God knows how we held out till the 92nd minute in that game!) only a few days after playing Yugoslavia off the park in Lansdowne.

Just a couple of examples of his baffling team-selections over the years!

citizenerased

08/01/2008, 2:05 PM

At the time Duff was playing his best football with Blackburn, Harte was playing in the Champions League with Leeds, and Keane was a promising young striker.

McCarthy isn't perfect, but your critique is full of holes.

your rebutal is ..your missing my point lad..duff was playing well, but he was playing on the left wing for blacburn not as a striker...harte had a torrid time at left back for the whole qualifiers and was the obvious week link in the team.ina bitter turn of irony knocked us out of the world cup...when he choked for the penalty....he also chose gary kelly ahead of finnan...

gustavo

08/01/2008, 2:09 PM

..he also chose gary kelly ahead of finnan...
Cant remember too much upheaval about that at the time , I am open to correction.

Stuttgart88

08/01/2008, 2:15 PM

Did Kelly not play on the right instead of McAteer? Even still, Finnan vs Kelly was a close call at the time. It's only relatively recently that Finnan has built recognition from Irish fans I think.

Criticism of selecting Harte in Japan has to be in the context that Harte had a trapped nerve in his foot during the tournament. His form was dreadful out there. If fit, nobody would have queried his place in the team.

Bondvillain

08/01/2008, 2:30 PM

what???
the fai have shown with the last appointment they dont know enough about football to pick a manager. and they have admitted this. and they have handed the process over to people within the game.
i cant see how anyone can have a problem with this??

the process shouldn't be judged on the length of time it is taking, but on who we see appointed at the end of the day.

Realistically, the only one still "within the game" is Don Givens (With Howe ceasing to be influential sometime in the last century, and Houghton, with his footballing days long behind him is fundamentally now, 'friend to the stars' & an amiable television guest. Many would say not even a particularly insightful one ) and imho; for The FAI to allow Don Givens, whether qualified to do so or not, to have a say in picking the man who ultimately will decide Don Givens' future employment prospects is bizarre, and 'impartial' only in John Delaneys dictionary.

To say "the process shouldn't be judged on the length of time it is taking, but on who we see appointed at the end of the day" is sadly another FAI oxymoron, as who we see appointed at the end of the day will very much depend on how long this buffoonery takes. (I mean, for better or worse, It wont be Hodgson or Haan now will it? )

A headhunting process fronted by real footballing brains, and a proper Gordon Gekko style businessman who would sell the job was what we required.
Not Inforrmal chats that drag on the length of an Arctic Winter.

These interviews are embarrassing to proper candidates. They suggest that we're ignorant of their qualifications, and frankly are only of benefit to the likes of Howard Kendall & Terry Venables, who, when interviewed alongside real candidates, then have the time to go to Outer mongolia or Eritrea's F.A. and say "Well, I need an answer quickly, lads, The Irish are interested. I was interviewed you know..."

The interviews, in their current format, only serve to offer credibility to the freakishly incredible.

Drumcondra 69er

08/01/2008, 2:42 PM

your rebutal is ..your missing my point lad..duff was playing well, but he was playing on the left wing for blacburn not as a striker...harte had a torrid time at left back for the whole qualifiers and was the obvious week link in the team.ina bitter turn of irony knocked us out of the world cup...when he choked for the penalty....he also chose gary kelly ahead of finnan...

Harte was joint top scorer in the qualifers along with Robbie Keane and had also weighed in with assists. He was weak defensively so Kilbane was required to give cover which Duff wasn't able to give. A lack of options up front meant pushing Duff inside although he was still given freedom to roam. Yes, he'd have been better as an out and out winger then Kilbane but the combination of Harte and Kilbane with Duff up front was a better option then Harte and Duff with AN Other up front. Sometimes players have to move for the good of the team.

Kelly was ahead of Finnan on merit at the time, more international experience and had been playing at a higher club level for far longer. Your argument doesn't stand up and is typical of the rewriting of history engaged in since 2002.