New Irish manager

[NeilMcD]

I think its funny that you used small club for leeds and big club for Sunderland. Subtle things but it gave an impression to your post that was not truely accurate.

[ramsfan]

what annoys me is that in order to penny pinch we are delaying and delaying all the time the list is shortening, anybody with have a ounce of success is not going to be on the market for long, what will end up happening is the cream on the top will be snapped upa nd we will be left with the sour milk left below.
as for brady/ oleary if they are that good an option for ireland why havent they been snapped up by a premiership/championship side, if people like glenn roeder etc can get the job at norwich ahead of oleary etc doesnt say much for them

[cavan_fan]

I think its funny that you used small club for leeds and big club for Sunderland. Subtle things but it gave an impression to your post that was not truely accurate.

What I meant (and maybe wasnt very clear on) is that in terms of European football Leeds were a small fish. In terms of being promoted to the Prem Sunderland were a very big fish (with huge attendances).

[cavan_fan]

what annoys me is that in order to penny pinch we are delaying and delaying all the time the list is shortening, anybody with have a ounce of success is not going to be on the market for long, what will end up happening is the cream on the top will be snapped upa nd we will be left with the sour milk left below.
as for brady/ oleary if they are that good an option for ireland why havent they been snapped up by a premiership/championship side, if people like glenn roeder etc can get the job at norwich ahead of oleary etc doesnt say much for them

Nobody wants to snap up Brady cos he's sh*t. With O'Leary I think the perceived personality issues are a problem. He is not very loyal to chairmen so if you were a jumped up chairman you wouldnt want him. Also he has been out of the limelight for a while and doesnt do media work so it is a bit out of sight out of mind. I think after a year out its hard to get back on the merry go round. If you notice whenever a job comes up it is recently sacked managers or ones in work that are looked at. Someone wiser than me once said that club management is an area that is hard to get into and harder to get out of.

[Bondvillain]

To experience the current regard that the FAI are held in within footballing circles, do the following little exercise -

Just imagine tomorrow morning that ANY club in the English premiership sack their manager, with the chairman saying that it is imperative that the post is filled ASAP.

Now imagine how many of the current favourites for the Ireland job (Venables, O Leary, Hoddle, Brady, Giles.....) would be considered as being even an outsider for the post.

We are nowhere, and it's the FAI's fault.

[GavinZac]

Why the hell are we basing our criteria on the english premiership when we are a country with a population barely exceeding that of Birmingham and with less professional football clubs too?

[Bondvillain]

I personally wasn't basing the criteria on the premiership, simply offering a hypothetical exercise, but if that was what you were interpreting it as, does that mean we should consider that currently being the manager at Derby, Wigan, Fulham or even Newcastle is a more exclusive & attractive proposition that being the Manager of an international side that (arguably) has decent potential in the immediate future?

If so, I feel that's a tad defeatist.

[Ordinary Fan]

There is no gurantee of sucess in appointing a manager. Jack's club record left a lot to be desired and aside from playing international/european football he had no experience here either. He was sucess because he had a system which he believed would work and dropped any players who were not prepared to do what he wanted.

The FAI need to get on with appointing a manager be it Brady (no Thanks),Venables (past it) or O Leary(my boys) on the basis that they have a plan or system for qualifying for South Africa. This delay keeps narrowing the options and there does not seem to be any end in sight. But big Sam will be available next week so all is not lost yet!

[Drumcondra 69er]

There is no gurantee of sucess in appointing a manager. Jack's club record left a lot to be desired and aside from playing international/european football he had no experience here either. He was sucess because he had a system which he believed would work and dropped any players who were not prepared to do what he wanted.

The FAI need to get on with appointing a manager be it Brady (no Thanks),Venables (past it) or O Leary(my boys) on the basis that they have a plan or system for qualifying for South Africa. This delay keeps narrowing the options and there does not seem to be any end in sight. But big Sam will be available next week so all is not lost yet!

Not so, he won Manager of the year in his first season becoming the first man outside the top flight to do it, ressseructed Wednesday after they'd nearly dropped to Division 4 and did ok at Newcastle before getting ****ed off with the fans.

Big Sam is interesting, would his tenure at Newcastle go against him getting another Premier job if he was to get sacked?

[eekers]

the problem with fat sam at newcastle is that his teams dont play the type of football that newcastle fans think they deserve. they see themselves as a flair team (because of the way keegans team played), this already has led to the sacking of 'boring' dalglish and the appointment of gullit with his bull**** promise of 'sexy football'.

allardyce has no real chance of getting another premier league job if he sacked this season as there's simply none available. 6 clubs have new managers and the only two i can see being anywer near the sack are southgate and megson. would he go from newcastle to boro? or back to bolton?

[colster]

Just checked the odds with paddy power and Jurgen Klinsmann is at 16-1 the same as Houllier, Coppell and Hoddle.
What do you think?

[Den Perry]

colster....what are all the odds on the various canditates?

[geysir]

I personally wasn't basing the criteria on the premiership, simply offering a hypothetical exercise, but if that was what you were interpreting it as, does that mean we should consider that currently being the manager at Derby, Wigan, Fulham or even Newcastle is a more exclusive & attractive proposition that being the Manager of an international side that (arguably) has decent potential in the immediate future? If so, I feel that's a tad defeatist.
Face it,
McLeish left Scotland for Birmingham,
Hughes leaves Wales for Blackburn,
Hodgson chooses Fulham,
Sanchez Left NI for Fulham,
Jewell chooses Derby,
all relegation to mid table EPL standard.
When national team manager, they were doing well and were in demand to continue with or take on with a national team.

[macdermesser]

Just checked the odds with paddy power and Jurgen Klinsmann is at 16-1 the same as Houllier, Coppell and Hoddle.
What do you think?


Yes .. I can see that .. its a natural progression for him Germany - Ireland - Walsall - Ashtown Villa.

not a bleedin chance!

[Noelys Guitar]

Yes .. I can see that .. its a natural progression for him Germany - Ireland - Walsall - Ashtown Villa.

not a bleedin chance!

Otto Klinsmann current manager/coach of "high flying" FC Von Dufflebag in the Cologne 11th Division was mistakingly inteviewed today by the so-called 3 man committee. The 2 Don's and Rayo became alarmed when a balding, grossly overweight Herr Klinsmann showed up ****ed wearing Leiderhousen and proclaiming loudly that he would appoint Roddy Collins as his assistant.

[bennocelt]

Complete and utter ******. I admire Hoddle the player. Name me a player he has humilitated. Rubbish. Hoddle for manager!!!!!!!!

surely you are having a laugh here
that or you have little knowledge of the game:eek:

[eekers]

surely you are having a laugh here
that or you have little knowledge of the game:eek:

how much did noely wager on hoddle ;)

[Noelys Guitar]

how much did noely wager on hoddle ;)

All my dosh went on Houllier and Hodgson. I should place a bet on Hoddle as that would ensure he would never get the job. The really horrible thing is there are maybe 10 or so even worse candidates than Hoddle being interviewed. Delaney said weeks ago he favoured a non-British style manager then went and called Jewell. So Jewell was a serious contender and definetely not a non-British style manager. Houghton came out and said the candidates consisted of the usual suspects and I believe him. What seems to have happened is that Delaney (possibly with prompting from Giles) has delayed the process hoping that candidates like Coppell or Houllier would put themselves forward for the job by resigning from their jobs. That now looks unlikely and instead we are left with the 400,000pa managers.

[irishfan86]

The frustrating thing here is that we've increased the pay by more than double, but the quality of candidates hasn't risen noticeably.

Certainly these managers would have been fantastic candidates in the 80s, but this is 2008 FFS!

[Pauro 76]

Here's one that may not have been mentioned. Chris Coleman. Did well at Fulham for a bit. Played good football. Mourinho rated him highly. Spanish league experience (well Ligue 1 anyway), surely a better option than Venables and the likes. Allardyce even. He was good enough for England last season. And he started out at Limerick like he keeps saying.

[Jerry The Saint]

Looks like Coleman will be available very soon

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/overseas/spain/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/08/01/03/SOCCER_Spa-Real_Sociedad.html&TEAMHD=spain

He would have a similar type of experience to Jewell so he'd have to come into the reckoning if he wanted the job.

[paul_oshea]

i had a dream last night that it was daglaish. i hope im wrong.

[NeilMcD]

I like his principal too, fair play to him, I always thought he was a decent manager.

[amaccann]

I'm still hoping against hope that when the announcement is made, it'll be some completely unthought of name, totally out of left-field & will have us all pleasant surprised and a wee bit excited.

Bugger all chance of that happening, but it'd be nice to think it might happen.

[Dr. Ogba]

I'm still hoping against hope that when the announcement is made, it'll be some completely unthought of name, totally out of left-field & will have us all pleasant surprised and a wee bit excited.

Bugger all chance of that happening, but it'd be nice to think it might happen.

Pat Dolan?

[amaccann]

Pat Dolan?
Ha! To use the catchphrase batted around these parts in the last month or so, at least it wouldn't be ElTel.

[Noelys Guitar]

Looks like Coleman will be available very soon

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/overseas/spain/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/08/01/03/SOCCER_Spa-Real_Sociedad.html&TEAMHD=spain

He would have a similar type of experience to Jewell so he'd have to come into the reckoning if he wanted the job.

I'd have Coleman as manager. Got Fulham to 9th place in 2004. Had to sell his best players and yet still kept Fulham in the Premiership. Has a better record than Jewell as a player and manager. Plus Jewell was considered a serious candidate for the job by Giles and Delaney.

[geysir]

Giles also rates Coleman.

Giles only singled out Jewell for attention because he knew he was considering an EPL job offer at the same time.

[eirebhoy]

I think Jewell's the better manager. In Wigan's first season in the premiership they had the best away record outside the top 3. Better than Arsenal. That's an incredible achievement for such a poor team and he obviously is an excellent motivator. If only they played outside of Wigan. :) He's also won 3 promotions. Coleman has done nothing more or nothing less than expected so far in his managerial career imo.

[bennocelt]

Heh actually Coleman would be a good choice, nice fella, good manager, clever
Better than what the we have mentioned in a while anyway

[onceahoop]

Brady is still well fancied in the betting.

Reckon Brady/Giles partnership still in the running.

A lot of misinformation been put out imo. All it does is help line the bookies pockets.

As my dear Grandad used to say, "I never saw a bookie going to work on a bike".

[hamburg paul]

I think Jewell's the better manager. In Wigan's first season in the premiership they had the best away record outside the top 3. Better than Arsenal. That's an incredible achievement for such a poor team and he obviously is an excellent motivator. If only they played outside of Wigan. :) He's also won 3 promotions. Coleman has done nothing more or nothing less than expected so far in his managerial career imo.

All this crap about jewell coleman being good managers is really wearing thin now ,does being last in the premiership and about to get sacked in spain amount to doing a good job ?me thinks not ,we need someone with expierence and King Kenny or 123 o,leary will do fine ,by the way if the 3 amigos by any chance read this , please install new man by 15th of january ,:)cause he will need to sort out flights to Sofia for fixtures meeting!

[Den Perry]

just had a quick look at betfair, and Venables is back as favourite....in fact the betting is ver odd. Nothing there to suggest an appointment is iminent...btw, Coleman is about 50 /1...

[osarusan]

All this crap about jewell... being good manager is really wearing thin now ,does being last in the premiership... amount to doing a good job ?

Jewell isn't a good manager because a team not managed by him at the time was total rubbish before he became manager?

[OwlsFan]

Jewell isn't a good manager because a team not managed by him at the time was total rubbish before he became manager?

He also took over a crap Wednesday side and made them even worse before he was sacked.

[eekers]

Could some tabloid rag not of gotten a reporter to follow one the 3 selectors around for a few weeks, to see who they were interviewing or not?
I feel let down by the gutter press in this country. We, honest football fans, are completely in the dark, trying to live off scraps of bad rumours, and the logic of odds on betfair.
It wouldn't of happened across the water. Sky news would be camped outside Houghton's front door all over Christmas. Personally I blame Katy French.

[eirebhoy]

I'd have to agree with that to an extent. The media seem to know as much as the fans.

[NeilMcD]

That is the way i want it, i dont want to know anyting until the end.

[irishfan86]

I'd have to agree with that to an extent. The media seem to know as much as the fans.

That's because I get the impression the media get their stuff from websites like this! :eek:

Honestly, the majority of the rumours I've seen regarding the Ireland job I've seen on fan sites long before mainstream news websites.

Can't wait for the independent to name Coleman as the new favourite because someone mentioned him the other day. :rolleyes:

[tetsujin1979]

If the media were following the 2 Dons and Ray around and giving us a blow by blow account of the people they're interviewing, when and where, I reckon we'd all be complaining that the headhunters are not being allowed to do their job in private!
We only got word about Hodgson's interview from comments he gave, not from any investigation from a journalist, and I'm actually fairly happy that's the way it happened. Anything to save us from endless acres of "EXCLUSIVE!!!" headlines

[eekers]

If the media were following the 2 Dons and Ray around and giving us a blow by blow account of the people they're interviewing, when and where, I reckon we'd all be complaining that the headhunters are not being allowed to do their job in private!
We only got word about Hodgson's interview from comments he gave, not from any investigation from a journalist, and I'm actually fairly happy that's the way it happened. Anything to save us from endless acres of "EXCLUSIVE!!!" headlines

but we're getting those silly headlines now anyway, except they're compiled from bull****.
look at the whole dalglish thing last week.

but the original post was mostly in jest - i thought the katy french bit would give it away

[shakermaker1982]

according to the independent the FAI will know the name by 22nd of Jan.....



Meanwhile, the FAI expect to receive the name of the new Irish manager on January 22 and he will be in position for Ireland's match against Brazil next month.

The three-man selection committee comprising of Don Givens, Don Howe and Ray Houghton are expected to conclude their interviews for the position over the next two weeks and they will then present a name to the FAI which will be accepted.

While Liam Brady is likely to be among the shortlist along with Glenn Hoddle and Terry Venables, Brady is also favourite for the position of High Performance Director at the FAI.

John Delaney, Given and David Blood will travel to Sofia on January 16 for the fixture meeting for the next qualifiers and the FAI are unconcerned that they will not have a manager before that meeting. It is felt that there is little scope for negotiation due to the restrictions on when Croke Park will be available.

[ramsfan]

i suppose the way irish management job is being banded about that john sheridan comes into reckoning now, has more success than dalglish and oleary this year. it a crazy world

[Bondvillain]

Brady is also favourite for the position of High Performance Director at the FAI.

"Mr Corcoran, Park your Mercedes over here. Mr Blood, Your Carrera turbo goes here, Mr Bonner, That's a Disabled space! move that Testarossa over to the designated Technical spot! and Mr Delaney - You'll hit that Lamborghini! Lock Hard! "

"Cheers Liam!"

"Just doing my job, boss."

______________________________

Sounds about right. :D

[ramsfan]

what an imagination, excellent:D

[kriscommons]

Brady/Giles axis is mooted in today's Sindo I see. This is the first mention of John Giles that I have seen in rhe mainstream media. His name has been bandied about various fora (and mostly discounted and ridiculed by the non-believers out there) and I have known sice Dec 12th that JG was and is a live runner in this race. I think he wants it and I think there are people out there in positions of power who would like to asee him get it. Brady would presumably take on the High Performance role with a view to stepping into the top job at some point.

[geysir]

Mooted is hardly the word to describe the few lines reported in the Indo.

'Speculation that Liam Brady and John Giles may forge a coaching axis has been greeted with astonishment within soccer circles, although as John Delaney is personally close to both men, the idea should not be dismissed entirely out of hand'

[soccerc]

I have known sice Dec 12th that JG was and is a live runner in this race. I think he wants it and I think there are people out there in positions of power who would like to asee him get it. .

....absolute bull**** :)

He is not even at the starting blocks, never mind being a runner.

[kriscommons]

Soccerc - in that case, how do u explain the fact that on Betfair he is one of the top 6 in the market? I'm not saying that he will get the job, just that he is in for it and is under consideration. You have your opinion and are of course welcome/.entitled to it but all I'm saying is that he is a live runner. Money talks in these markets and he is now down to 13-1

[soccerc]

Soccerc - in that case, how do u explain the fact that on Betfair he is one of the top 6 in the market? I'm not saying that he will get the job, just that he is in for it and is under consideration. You have your opinion and are of course welcome/.entitled to it but all I'm saying is that he is a live runner. Money talks in these markets and he is now down to 13-1

Simple to explain - A fool and their money are easily parted.