New Irish manager

[Noelys Guitar]

Houllier out in all betting. Paddy Powers have him at 8/1 . Venables 10/11. Tigana 4/1. Venables is odds on now with all the bookies.

[Jicked]

Yeah it looks like its (finally) El Tels now. Can't wait to see how the FAI try to spin this diabolical appointment if true.

[Block G Raptor]

I put my only bet on El Tel at 10-1 on tuesday, at least the money will ease the pain if he gets it

Don't think there's much if about it :(:(:(

[Reddladd]

I put my only bet on El Tel at 10-1 on tuesday, at least the money will ease the pain if he gets it

The odds I got were not as good. Backed him at 5/2 when he started to drift last week. Any win from a bookie softens the blow. Though I'll have to give soccerc a small pay out cause I didn't believe Venables would get it!
(If he does get the job!)

[KMH2]

GH back into 8's on betfair and s's on PP.

some serious betting going on

[Wolfie]

From today's Indo

Givens expects new boss to be in place before Brazil

He was understandably careful not to give much away but Don Givens has given a clear indication that he expects a new manager to be ratified and appointed before the friendly with Brazil on February 6.

Amid speculation that leading candidates Gerard Houllier and Terry Venables were dissatisfied with the financial package on offer, Givens stated that there had been no such blip and anticipates a smooth enough passage once they complete their remaining interviews and present a name to the board.

That should be next week but, despite that, the caretaker Irish boss feels it would be unfair on a new man to throw him straight into preparations for the game with Brazil after having no part in the picking of the squad.

“The logic of the whole thing says that if I pick the squad it would be very unfair on the new manager.

If he is named before Brazil, then to come in for a first game against such quality opposition without having had a choice in the squad, would be difficult.

Hopeful

“I would be hopeful we would have a manager before then. I would envisage him being at the game as a spectator and seeing things without the pressure of being involved.

“We're doing everything we can to get him as soon as possible.”


Beyond that, though, Givens was not in a position to speak about specific candidates.


Due to reasons of confidentiality, the same approach was adopted in his discussions with the 10-man board on Tuesday night as he feared that if he told them who had been interviewed, then invariably the info would leak out.


“You will never know whom we spoken to,” continued Givens. “That is one of the things we emphasised to candidates. We will never say you were interviewed. If they want to come out and say it then that's their prerogative


“I didn't tell the board and will not tell the board who we've spoken to. As soon as you tell someone, it's out.”


Strong indications suggest that Houllier is the preferred candidate, but while not divulging anything of that nature, Givens did admit that he reckoned there was broad agreement on a choice between himself, Don Howe and Ray Houghton.


“After each interview we've had a bit of a chat and at the end of the process I would say it won't take us long to come to a conclusion. I think we're generally thinking along the same lines.”

Givens is unhappy with aspects of the media coverage of the race and was keen to dismiss two persistent rumours about what lies ahead in the dying embers of the prolonged replacement of Steve Staunton – firstly, that the salary on offer is not acceptable to Houllier and Venables and secondly that the board might have the power to veto any choice.

“Anyone who has been interviewed knows the general financial situation and the interviews have gone well,” he stressed.

Ratified

“I would expect our choice to be ratified. Otherwise I don't think there would have been any point in sending us out.

“In every interview, the financial package has been outlined. Once we make a recommendation and pass it on to the FAI, then it's their baby to get on with.

“If someone has gone for an interview, where the money is mentioned and we push him forward, I can't imagine someone going to the FAI and saying they want 50pc more,” he concluded.

- Daniel McDonnell



The emboldened quote suggests Houllier.

Therefore, Houllier is happy with the salary. It' a case of whether the FAI will pay the compensation for the contract. Most likely being agonised over by FAI at this very moment.

That's what happens when your CEO is an accountant.

[paul_oshea]

why should they pay compensation, he is dead right wolfie.

there certainly are benefits to having an accountant as CEO. Though having the CEO might not be a benefit.....

[colster]

The emboldened quote suggests Houllier.

Therefore, Houllier is happy with the salary. It' a case of whether the FAI will pay the compensation for the contract. Most likely being agonised over by FAI at this very moment.

That's what happens when your CEO is an accountant.

More likely to be them negotiating the compensation fee. Delaney has said that they would be willing to pay compensation.

[Morbo]

I kind of doubt that a manager will be in place before Brazil, no smart manager wants that to be their 1st game, lose badly and he would have the presure on him from the begining

[colster]

I kind of doubt that a manager will be in place before Brazil, no smart manager wants that to be their 1st game, lose badly and he would have the presure on him from the begining

He won't be managing the team for that game. Givens is. He will be at the match though.

[soccerc]

Are we looking too hard for Mr Perfect (http://www.chatsoccer.eu/news/content/view/106/1/)?

[eirebhoy]

As someone said earlier, you can read a lot into Givens comments yesterday.

“In every interview, the financial package has been outlined. If someone has gone for an interview, where the money is mentioned and we push him forward, I can't imagine someone going to the FAI and saying they want 50pc more,”

...

“We're doing everything we can to get him as soon as possible.”


With someone like Venables the only issue I could see with him would be wages. Givens doesn't think that's an issue so if they wanted Venables they'd have him by now. They're obviously trying to get someone else.

[Noelys Guitar]

As someone said earlier, you can read a lot into Givens comments yesterday.

“In every interview, the financial package has been outlined. If someone has gone for an interview, where the money is mentioned and we push him forward, I can't imagine someone going to the FAI and saying they want 50pc more,”

...

“We're doing everything we can to get him as soon as possible.”


With someone like Venables the only issue I could see with him would be wages. Givens doesn't think that's an issue so if they wanted Venables they'd have him by now. They're obviously trying to get someone else.

I got El Tel's autograph when I was a kid growing up in Crumlin. He was with Bobby Tambling and Johnny Giles watching a u17 game in Brickfields off of the Sundrive road. There could not have been more than twenty people watching the game on a freezing cold Sunday morning. Of the three Venables was great. No airs or graces and willing to explain to a group of schoolboys that you had to "gamble to get the goal". No idea what he meant at the time but you can hear a fair few managers using it now.

[bennocelt]

No, not in the same way Kerr has a job. I don't think being involved with St Pats is on a par with being Technical Director for all of French football - a role he had in 1998 when they won the World Cup.

You don't care much about French league titles? Oh so, what, is the French league on a par with League One with you or something? He spent two years there and won two leagues, as well as getting to a cup final. Not good enough for you though, only English Premiership winning managers need apply?

Liverpool haven't won the league in a very long time, and they probably won't win in any time soon either. They don't have the funds that two or three other clubs have. What he did do there was bring back a winning mentality and bring trophies back into the Liverpool Cabinet, something that was amiss for a good while before he took the job.

The way some people on here throw their nose up to Houllier is stupid. You guys will get on just about anybody's back.


Technical Director? Come on, thats not football managment, and you know that so stop messing
I dont think he is a good coach, end of

[bennocelt]

An utterly ridiculous post.


Thanks, great counter argument:rolleyes:

[bennocelt]

Is he the fantastic manager that bombed ridiculously at Rangers?
The same fantastic manager who is currently doing shyte at PSG?

Not even there for a full season. Needs time. Dont expect miracles in one season do you?

[tetsujin1979]

slightly off topic, and as a way of light relief, a friend of mine sent me this today

From the Irish Times Planet Football


Hard act to follow
No more than ourselves Hungary have been searching for a manager for
their senior team after Peter Varhidi's contract ran out following an
unsuccessful Euro 2008 qualifying campaign. Istvan Kisteleki, president
of the Hungarian FA, hinted that Varhidi's successor would be a
foreigner, the German Jürgen Kohler among those tipped for the job.

Well, Kisteleki and his colleagues finally made their decision last week
and, much to the stupefaction of the media, the man chosen to succeed
Varhidi was: eh, Varhidi.

"He was the board's only candidate," said Kisteleki, "he has our trust
and so takes charge again as coach."

Mind you, we shouldn't be giving the FAI ideas.

[Ozymandias]

saw that today..classic ....FAI I betcha are disgusted they didn't think of it

[Stuttgart88]

Finland have just given Stuart Baxter a 2 year contract.

[NeilMcD]

One of the few English managers with Champions League experience.

[craig7042]

I just cant understand the thinking behind Brady being mentioned. Any of the others would be okay. (just wait and see with any of them...) but Brady has no managerial experience that is worth talking about. He's like Brian Kerr - good with kids, but that didnt work in Kerrs case. My vote is still Venables because players tend to like him and he has good experience. I think he'd cope better than most with the media.

[Noelys Guitar]

Paddy Powers, Ladsbroke and Boylesports are laughing their heads off. Meanwhile in the real world William McIntosh "Billy" Davies is being interviewed for the job.

[brine3]

Co Adriaanse has quit his job in Qatar. He's therefore available as of today. HSV are after him and Ajax are supposedly interested as well.

He's 60 now so maybe international management is something he'd like to do.

[DmanDmythDledge]

He has to be at least approached. Wouldn't be surprised if the three stooges haven't heard of him though.

[brine3]

I'm afraid so too, he's outside the British football sphere.

[Bondvillain]

I dont know lads...He fits the current Three stooges patented interview criteria...

1) He's Unemployed...
2) Errmmm....

[macdermesser]

Co Adriaanse would be a nice appointment ... does he deserve his own thread? Maybe someone could let the three lads know of his availability?

[Stuttgart88]

Yes, own thread deseverved in my opinion and an email to daniel McDonnell!

[shakermaker1982]

didn't he just up and leave his job at Porto 2 years ago? I'd like to see him get an interview.

[brine3]

Yeah, he did the double at Porto in his first season and then got annoyed with the board. (He's not the first Porto manager that got pis sed off at the board.) He left despite being under contract and had to pay Porto money for the privelage to leave. I guess he really wanted to get out of there.

He's a no-nonsense bullshte-free personality, which of course could pose problems for an organisation like the FAI.

[NeilMcD]

He seems an impressive coach, the only thing I would worry is that he seems a bit flightly when it comes to staying in a job esp if the board or the association are not professional or behind him. If he got the job I reckon he would be gone within a year.

[Noelys Guitar]

Can soccerc confirm that Givens and Houghton are unwilling to continue beyond this weekend as part of the amigos?

[OwlsFan]

He's a no-nonsense bullshte-free personality, which of course could pose problems for an organisation like the FAI.

Didn't cause problems for Big Jack.

[livehead1]

Its a load of f8cking shi* and all the speculation is doing my f8cking head in. Am I the only person who feels like this?!

[Wolfie]

Panic beckons as FAI search stumbles on
Tuesday January 29 2008

THE FAI will have to make a panic decision or else wait until after the friendly with Brazil to appoint Ireland's new manager unless there is a dramatic change in circumstances in the 98-day search.

Number one target Gerard Houllier turned down the post last Friday and indicated that he was out of the running, although kingmakers Don Howe, Don Givens and Ray Houghton may yet seek permission to go back to the Frenchman with another offer.

The problems with the former Liverpool manager should have left the path open for Terry Venables to succeed Steve Staunton, but there appears to be reluctance among the FAI top brass about giving the job to the ex-Spurs and England boss.

Rushed

Considering that Houllier and Venables have been the two front-runners for some time, the ushering through of a new man at this juncture would be something of a rushed choice.

Givens will be engaged in the Irish camp from Sunday in the build-up to next Wednesday's friendly with Brazil at Croke Park, while FAI chief executive John Delaney is on UEFA congress duty in Zagreb later this week.

His absence means that the selection panel will be unable to report to the board of management until Saturday, barring the unlikely event of rapid developments before Delaney's departure tomorrow.

Sources have suggested that Liam Brady could emerge as a compromise candidate, although that would leave the three amigos open to a large degree of criticism.

Brady was told earlier in the race that he did not have the necessary managerial experience to take the job and would not be interviewed.

At the beginning of the process, it was made clear that the chosen candidate would have experience in the international field or a recent top level track record of note. The Arsenal legend does not qualify under either category.

Last Thursday, Givens -- when naming the squad for the friendly with Brazil -- was adamant that the manager's job spec had not changed. The three headhunters are thought to be completing their final few interviews but none of those yet to be seen -- they include he likes of Billy Davies and Lawrie Sanchez -- are serious competitors -- or were not intended to be anyway.

It's believed that, while the FAI have publicly stated that there is no rush on the appointment of a new manager, there is private concern about the length of the process.

Already, Ireland look set to miss out on a March friendly as the FAI were waiting on the appointment of a new man to sort the situation out.

Similarly, they are yet to finalise their plans for the summer as that's a decision for Staunton's successor.

It means that currently there are just three friendly matches scheduled before the World Cup qualifiers begin in September in the form of the Brazil encounter, the May meeting with Serbia and the August trip to Norway.

Even if a new man is appointed before the Brazil game, Givens has said he won't have any hand in preparations.

Stuttering

That would leave the new man with just two games on the schedule before September.

Staunton had three friendlies under his belt before he got his tenure off to the stuttering start from which he never really recovered.

The headhunters are believed to be keen to draw the process to a close and it seems as though they reckoned that would be the case when agreement on Houllier was reached.

A combination of the French Football Federation (FFF) digging in their heels and concerns about the package on offer forced a delay in proceedings.
Increasing the financial deal for the 60-year-old may not be possible due to rumblings within the association about the substantial cost.

As the impasse continues, it was an extremely quiet day in the betting market yesterday by the standards of recent weeks.

Venables remains a firm favourite, but mainly due to the lack of an outstanding challenger after the price of Houllier drifts.

An expected punt on Jean Tigana has not quite materialised although the former Fulham boss remains prominent in the market".



So according to the Indo, the FAI ARE quibbling about the cost of Houllier.

Could Fat Sam nab an interview this week and become the compromise candidate? I'd imagine the interview committee are looking for a way out of this and Sam could be it.

[livehead1]

I reiterate my previous point!!!

[Wolfie]

I reiterate my previous point!!!

Don't worry!! The end is in sight. There shouldn't be more than another 5 or 6 weeks left in this.

[Bluebeard]

Don't worry!! The end is in sight. There shouldn't be more than another 5 or 6 weeks left in this.

Exactly. 5 or 6 weeks and we should definitely have a provisional shortlist...

[Stuttgart88]

Exactly. 5 or 6 weeks and we should definitely have a provisional shortlist......to determine who's on the next selection panel.

[wexman]

rumour has it the fai are after daglish? afaik him & pat devlin are good buddies

[jmurphyc]

I'd rather Venables than Dalglish. I'd say the modern game has now completely passed him by.

[OwlsFan]

rumour has it the fai are after daglish? afaik him & pat devlin are good buddies

Yep, I'd believe every rumour (about 60 and counting) I'd hear.

My own feeling, and I have repeated this a few times, is that the choice has been made and the contract is being ironed out and if that fails, then it's on to choice two for contract negotiations and so on.

The FAI cannot therefore make any statement at the moment until it's a done deal for obvious reasons. The crux (cruces?) will obviously be annual salary and the length of the contract. The candidate will look for a million plus and 4 years and the FAI will offer half of that and 2 years and then the negotiations begin.

[eekers]

Yep, I'd believe every rumour (about 60 and counting) I'd hear.

My own feeling, and I have repeated this a few times, is that the choice has been made and the contract is being ironed out and if that fails, then it's on to choice two for contract negotiations and so on.

The FAI cannot therefore make any statement at the moment until it's a done deal for obvious reasons. The crux (cruces?) will obviously be annual salary and the length of the contract. The candidate will look for a million plus and 4 years and the FAI will offer half of that and 2 years and then the negotiations begin.

who is choice number two exactly?
its not venables according to the reports.

[DmanDmythDledge]

who is choice number two exactly?
its not venables according to the reports.
I thinlk they will try and get Coppell to reconsider. Venables would be third choice.

[OwlsFan]

who is choice number two exactly?
its not venables according to the reports.

"Reports" ? Wait until you hear something Official and pay no heed to "reports" which are usually based upon a taximan hearing the lavatory attendant at the FAI saying something to his pet hamster.

[EalingGreen]

Are any of the bookies offering a price on Ron Atkinson yet? :eek:

It can only be a matter of time...;)

[eekers]

"Reports" ? Wait until you hear something Official and pay no heed to "reports" which are usually based upon a taximan hearing the lavatory attendant at the FAI saying something to his pet hamster.

what i mean is that if venables is their second choice like your suggesting, why didnt they offer him the job on friday when houllier turned it down. if venables was offered the job he wouldnt take 5 days to weigh it up he'd bite their hands off. all this suggests (and reports in the newspaper coming to the same conclusion) that they as yet dont have a second choice candidate.

[The Man Himself]

HERES THE NEW IRISH MANAGER
http://www.pro-paul.net/baggio/pics/web/others/trapattoni.jpg

giovanni trapattoni

[Jerry The Saint]

HERES THE NEW IRISH MANAGER
http://www.pro-paul.net/baggio/pics/web/others/trapattoni.jpg

giovanni trapattoni

I was sceptical but if you have a picture well, I'm convinced!

Betfair odds are lengthening after Sky exclusively revealed Trap is in 'secret talks'. Hmmmm...

[bennocelt]

HERES THE NEW IRISH MANAGER
http://www.pro-paul.net/baggio/pics/web/others/trapattoni.jpg

giovanni trapattoni


oh god no...........an Italian version of Big Sam:(