New Irish manager [Archive] - Page 30

hamburg paul

29/12/2007, 4:08 PM

Lothar Matthaus being earmarked for the Bosnia job along with Niko Kranjcar's auld fella. Surely he is worth consideration on his playing pedigree alone. Has had some reasonable successes in management and is a man with a wealth of different experiences underneath him.

What a player btw!
Agree that lothar would be worth a chance but he has to improve his english and he is still in dispute with red bull salzburg , his track record has not been good, at the first sign of trouble he is usually off!but if we want someone with pedigree then he is our man!Delaney get the finger OUT!:)

Bondvillain

29/12/2007, 5:04 PM

:eek:

Lothar Matthaus is a headbanger of the Highest order who pretty much leaves a trail of destruction in his wake wherever he goes (Partizan , Hungary & RB Saltzburg shall not be issuing references. Atl�tico Paranaense Still want to know where he is, as, after accepting the job in January 2006, he left his office saying he'd be back in a few days. As of Today, He hasn't as yet gone back to collect the furry gonks off his desk)

I personally think he's Venables, with a slightly better pedigree and less of an annoying laugh, but Venables nonetheless.

onceahoop

29/12/2007, 6:10 PM

Glenn Hoddle is in from 30/1 to 9/1 on Betfair. :(

Noelys Guitar

29/12/2007, 6:54 PM

Glenn Hoddle is in from 30/1 to 9/1 on Betfair. :(

Probably for the first time Paddy Powers is reflecting the true market for the Ireland job. Venables is 3/1. Brady and O'Leary 4/1. Hoddle 5/1. I can't see anyone else other than those mentioned getting the job.

kingdomkerry

29/12/2007, 6:58 PM

Probably for the first time Paddy Powers is reflecting the true market for the Ireland job. Venables is 3/1. Brady and O'Leary 4/1. Hoddle 5/1. I can't see anyone else other than those mentioned getting the job.

Houillier ?

Noelys Guitar

29/12/2007, 7:52 PM

Houillier ?

I have him backed at 40/1 but can you honestly see him putting himself through this FAI/3-man process nonsense? No chance.

kingdomkerry

29/12/2007, 8:06 PM

I have him backed at 40/1 but can you honestly see him putting himself through this FAI/3-man process nonsense? No chance.

I think he will if he wants the job. 40/1!!! How much did you throw on?

Bondvillain

29/12/2007, 11:45 PM

From a purely business perspective, no matter how much one loves ones chosen field, If you were to be headhunted, it would be embarrassing to be then forced to sit down for "interview" with an Under 21 manager, a pundit and a man who managed Arsenal before they were any good to see if you were 'good enough' for the job.

This whole thing's a complete farce and stinks of FAI mismanagement. What's wrong with :
Organise proper selection committe - 1 week.
Inform selection committe to not faff around, and just concentrate on compiling shortlist of all suitable candidates - 1 week
Selection committe return to FAI with shortlist, and decision is made on which man to send the sh* hot salesman waving a wedge of cash to - 3 days.

17 days for a new manager using the Bondvillain initiative.

The John Delaney initiative has so far taken over 60 and counting, and the delay (and seemingly, attitude) has ruled out the likes of Roy Hodgson, Arie Haan and countless others who were apparently, for better or for worse, genuine contenders for the job way back when this farce started in October.

Maybe they weren't for us, but with several more attractive nations than ours still needing a helmer, and the "Premiership sack race" (� The Saaan) no doubt about to begin in earnest, the choices for the Irish job , when the commit-tee finally get their act together and decide what order they should sit at the table at press conferences in say, 5/6 months time, will be pretty much just what's left amongst the chaff, the damaged & the unemployable.

bennocelt

30/12/2007, 8:24 PM

Noelys Guitar

01/01/2008, 9:25 PM

Is Hoddle coming up on the inside rail to claim the job? I don't believe Houllier is interested in the job and so I will rule him out. My gut feeling is that the 3 amigos will place Hoddle first, O'leary second, Brady/Giles or Brady alone third and Venables fourth. The fact that he managed an England team in a World cup finals and managed a top Premiership team will get him the job. Failed at Wolves and Southampton but TV, O'Leary and Brady have also had periods of failure as managers. His imbecilic comments about handicapped people should not count against him as he was on his own cloud to Damascus at the time he made those comments but now seems to have comeback to his senses. Funny thing is if the FAI was offering 400,000 rather than 1mil the same four bookies favs would still be after the job.

Bondvillain

02/01/2008, 12:06 AM

Funny thing is if the FAI was offering 400,000 rather than 1mil the same four bookies favs would still be after the job.

Spot on. If a tramp is looking for 20c for a cup of tea, he'll be just as delighted if you gave him a �50 note as he would be if you gave him �100.

Ignoring Venables (which is the correct thing to do) , leaving O Leary in the Dole queue, where he pretty much belongs, leaves us with Hoddle & and the Gilesy / Brady partnership, which, for comedy value, I shall refer to from now on as the Glidey hybrid.

Even forgiving Hoddle for his David Icke style moment of madness in the past, and giving the Glidey hybrid the benefit of the doubt that inspirational stories of jumpers for goalpoasts in Drumcondra & Vancouver and 'my tiiiime aaat ju-veeeen-tuss in the ay-tees.' could still cut it in today's millionaires playground, It's hardly a Capello v Morinho clash of the titans , is it?

Fundamentally, the FAI have mucked this "selection" "process" up so badly that even the prospect of becoming a millionaire (again) can't attract a decent manager here.It's all has-beens, Never-were's and I'll have a go's.

Very sad.

Another brilliantly structured campaign from the FAI; their reputation now thoroughly preceeds them; Football poison. Do not Touch.

Noelys Guitar

02/01/2008, 12:52 AM

Spot on. If a tramp is looking for 20c for a cup of tea, he'll be just as delighted if you gave him a €50 note as he would be if you gave him €100.

Ignoring Venables (which is the correct thing to do) , leaving O Leary in the Dole queue, where he pretty much belongs, leaves us with Hoddle & and the Gilesy / Brady partnership, which, for comedy value, I shall refer to from now on as the Glidey hybrid.

Even forgiving Hoddle for his David Icke style moment of madness in the past, and giving the Glidey hybrid the benefit of the doubt that inspirational stories of jumpers for goalpoasts in Drumcondra & Vancouver and 'my tiiiime aaat ju-veeeen-tuss in the ay-tees.' could still cut it in today's millionaires playground, It's hardly a Capello v Morinho clash of the titans , is it?

Fundamentally, the FAI have mucked this "selection" "process" up so badly that even the prospect of becoming a millionaire (again) can't attract a decent manager here.It's all has-beens, Never-were's and I'll have a go's.

Very sad.

Another brilliantly structured campaign from the FAI; their reputation now thoroughly preceeds them; Football poison. Do not Touch.

If Tony O'Neill was still alive he would have personally flown to California to try "sell" the Ireland job to Klinsman. If that failed he would have flown to Italy to try convince Lippi to take the job. If that failed then try the next top manager. I used to work in UCD in the 80's and met O'Neill on a few occasions and he had a Wenger type feel for what was right for Irish football. If he was alive today he would be viewed as a genius. Our Mourinho, Benitez or Wenger. Crap player but incredible knowledge of the game. John Delaney has the natural intelligence to match Tony O'Neill but not the football nous O'Neill had. Delaney panicked after sacking Stan. And unfortunately showed he is a "fan" rather than an O'Neill type deep thinker about the beautiful game. O'Neill completely trusted his own football judgement because it was based on the many games he watched and studied. Delaney watches highlights. Hires 3 amigos to choose the next manager! O'Neill must be turning in his grave. Get ready for Hoddle whom I will support 100% because I want the Irish team to do well and I don't want a manager to feel under extra pressure from day one.

eekers

02/01/2008, 2:10 AM

hoddle is a worst candidate than venables or o'leary, let alone a top candidate like Jol.
this is the guy that's so full of himself he put himself on for a last hurray in the fa cup final whilst at chelsea and has a penchant for humiliating players in training.
i cant think of anyone with worse man management skills in football

Noelys Guitar

02/01/2008, 2:20 AM

eekers

02/01/2008, 2:57 AM

paul gascoigne for a start.
his handling of selecting his final 22 for the world cup was a joke.

tony adams criticised hoddle in his book about humiliating beckham during england training, encouraging gascoigne to drink and treating players like "kids".

tim sherwood after being forced out of tottenham

'No one at Tottenham would shed a single tear if Glenn Hoddle was sacked tomorrow. The dressing room is not together and there is no team spirit. He has absolutely no man-management skills.'

Bondvillain

02/01/2008, 11:03 AM

If Tony O'Neill was still alive he would have personally flown to California to try "sell" the Ireland job to Klinsman. If that failed he would have flown to Italy to try convince Lippi to take the job. If that failed then try the next top manager.

That's the problem. We dont have a white-hot salesman who could sell the house, cracks and all, we have a gaggle of old biddy buyers trying to buy a job lot of pollyfilla.

To remain in current Irish pub parlance, We have 3 buyers hanging back cautiously, like nervous newlyweds waiting for the housing bubble to burst, while all around them, all the houses, from Affordable yet functional to Expensive yet desirable are being snapped up by businessmen who are talking up a storm & negotiating themselves a damn good deal, and in the heel of the hunt, our newlyweds (who wasted so many opportunities to buy somewhere decent while waiting for "the right house" to appear in a puff of smoke right where they were standing) will be left living in whatever shabby shack is left when everything good has been snapped up.

If, of course, they dont split up because of irreconcilable differences first.....

Stuttgart88

02/01/2008, 11:06 AM

tim sherwood after being forced out of tottenhamHoddle should be commended for that :)

Sherwood was a nasty piece of work.

Philly

02/01/2008, 11:56 AM

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:13 PM

Why oh why did we sack McCarthy!? This debacle is really getting sad. We are arguing over which has-been manager who wouldn't land a job with any Premiership (or Championship?) club is the least bad option for Ireland.

very strange comparison....you're talking about a guy that has no prospect of emplyment with prem and champ teams and contrasting him with McCarthy? :confused: - A man that would never EVER be employed by a prem team and who's job at Wolves is hanging by a thread...

Having said that, the only people that would be foolish enough to employ (or re-employ as the case may be) either man would be the FAI. I shudder at the prospect of either man being in charge to be honest....

tetsujin1979

02/01/2008, 1:18 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that when Hoddle was manager of Tottenham, he used to practise tricks with the players, and got p!ssed off if his wasn't the best.
Dunno if that says more about the squad than Hoddle though

Stuttgart88

02/01/2008, 1:19 PM

Noelys Guitar

02/01/2008, 1:28 PM

Kenny Daglish is now 7/4 favourite for the job.

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 1:30 PM

WHat did he drop from

Stuttgart88

02/01/2008, 1:35 PM

BERLIN, Jan 2 (Reuters) - Bayern Munich coach Ottmar Hitzfeld is to leave the Bundesliga club at the end of the season when his contract expires, he told local media on Wednesday.
"I already told the club three weeks ago of my decision to finish in the summer," Hitzfeld told German sports news agency SID.
"I will try again over the next half year to be successful and win as many titles as possible."
Hitzfeld added that he planned to either take over as coach of the Swiss national side or to go back to working as a television analyst.
The 58-year-old began his second stint as Bayern coach on Feb 1 last year, taking over from Felix Magath, and his contract runs through to June this year.

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:35 PM

If McCarthy had never managed Ireland before, would we be calling for him to be manager now, given his record at Sunderland and Wolves? I'd say he'd be in with a decent shout. Not an outstanding candidate but more palatable than many of the others.

its an interesting point stutts but put it this way: if we assume that McCarthy is let go by Wolves in the next few weeks and that he had never managed Ireland before then the only directly comparible candidate to him (i.e Irish and managed recently) is David O'Leary. So who would you prefer? Both men have had relative highs (O'Leary with Leeds in the CL and McC getting Sunderland promoted) and pretty bad lows (both men - same clubs) so its funny that there seems to be a bit of support behind McCarthy and absolutely none behind O'Leary...

Seems to be a bit of rose-tinted memories methinks....

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 1:36 PM

See I dont think you can dis-regard his career at Ireland as that is relevant, as he know international football and knows how to get the best out of a mid ranking international team.

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 1:37 PM

Yeah I would have him as manager.

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:40 PM

Yeah I would have him as manager.

understatement!

Stuttgart88

02/01/2008, 1:40 PM

I'm not sure there's "support" as such for McCarthy. It was said above, correctly in my opinion, that we simply can't go back that route just because of the cans of worms it'd reopen.

O'Leary vs McCarthy would be an interesting debate on merit, but O'Leary is a candidate simply because he hasn't had the job already and hasn't had his name permanently entwined in the biggest **** up in Irish sports history.

Danny

02/01/2008, 1:41 PM

Kenny Daglish in to 2/1 fav on PP

Loads of money on betfair today for him

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:41 PM

problem is though Neil, we need someone with fresh ideas for the team and McCarthy is not the man for that. Granted neither are any of the other guys being mentioned so looks like we're fooked!

shakermaker1982

02/01/2008, 1:42 PM

Yeah I would have him as manager.

in a heartbeat!!!! He's the 'right' age as well. If the FAI signed him up then I'd be happy to wait until May/June to get this guy.

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 1:44 PM

I agree I dont want Mc Carthy but I am just saying that his record does need to be looked at in full and his international experience has to go in his favour.

mypost

02/01/2008, 1:46 PM

If McCarthy took it, expect an immediate and permanent mass withdrawal of squad players from Sunderland.

If Hoddle gets it, that's an end to any idea that LOI players would be considered, never mind selected. At least Staunton went to the odd game. Hoddle wouldn't go to any, full stop.

cavan_fan

02/01/2008, 1:47 PM

its an interesting point stutts but put it this way: if we assume that McCarthy is let go by Wolves in the next few weeks and that he had never managed Ireland before then the only directly comparible candidate to him (i.e Irish and managed recently) is David O'Leary. So who would you prefer? Both men have had relative highs (O'Leary with Leeds in the CL and McC getting Sunderland promoted) and pretty bad lows (both men - same clubs) so its funny that there seems to be a bit of support behind McCarthy and absolutely none behind O'Leary...

Seems to be a bit of rose-tinted memories methinks....

O'Leary's high is getting a small team into the semis of the Champions League, with a team he was instrumental in building. Mick's club high was getting a big team back into the Premiership. There is no comparison.

Mick's low was scoring a record low number of points in the Premiership, O'Leary's was p*ssing off Leeds and being OK-ish at Villa.

I really don't get why people are so opposed to O'Leary. If he was Spanish and had achieved the success he did at e.g. Seville we'd be biting his hand off.

Drumcondra 69er

02/01/2008, 1:48 PM

its an interesting point stutts but put it this way: if we assume that McCarthy is let go by Wolves in the next few weeks and that he had never managed Ireland before then the only directly comparible candidate to him (i.e Irish and managed recently) is David O'Leary. So who would you prefer? Both men have had relative highs (O'Leary with Leeds in the CL and McC getting Sunderland promoted) and pretty bad lows (both men - same clubs) so its funny that there seems to be a bit of support behind McCarthy and absolutely none behind O'Leary...

Seems to be a bit of rose-tinted memories methinks....

What's O'Leary's low with Leeds, 5th in the Premiership? Won 7 of his last 10? He had a bad couple of months following that court case and made a mistake with that book but a lot of history has been rewritten regarding his time at Leeds. Venables took over a team that had underperformed the previous season yet still finished 5th and took them into a relegation scrap.....I'd take O'Leary at this stage.

Genuine question, as a mtter of interest would you consider Keane a good option given he emulated McCarthy by getting Sunderland up yet is struggling now on a budget ten times what McCarthy had when he took them up? I know some people would love to see him despite his relative failure so far this season.....

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 1:48 PM

Are you trying to say that Keane would withdraw players from slection for IReland because Mc Carthy is the manager despite the fact that Quinn is the chairman there and the players would want to play.

It appears to me that Keane and Mc Carthy have got over Saipan, surely the fans should too.

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:50 PM

O'Leary's high is getting a small team into the semis of the Champions League, with a team he was instrumental in building. Mick's club high was getting a big team back into the Premiership. There is no comparison.

Mick's low was scoring a record low number of points in the Premiership, O'Leary's was p*ssing off Leeds and being OK-ish at Villa.

I really don't get why people are so opposed to O'Leary. If he was Spanish and had achieved the success he did at e.g. Seville we'd be biting his hand off.

Leeds = small team????? :eek: O'Leary got a wealthy, well supported team to the semis of the CL.
McCarthy got a financially struggling Sunderland to the Premiership.

Both relatively good highs....

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 1:54 PM

What's O'Leary's low with Leeds, 5th in the Premiership? Won 7 of his last 10? He had a bad couple of months following that court case and made a mistake with that book but a lot of history has been rewritten regarding his time at Leeds. Venables took over a team that had underperformed the previous season yet still finished 5th and took them into a relegation scrap.....I'd take O'Leary at this stage.

Genuine question, as a mtter of interest would you consider Keane a good option given he emulated McCarthy by getting Sunderland up yet is struggling now on a budget ten times what McCarthy had when he took them up? I know some people would love to see him despite his relative failure so far this season.....

fair point re: O'Leary at Leeds but things went very sour for him at Villa towards the end. And no, I wouldn't take Keane. I don't think he's proven himself yet as a manager...getting Sunderland promoted was a great achievement given where they were when he took over but, as you say, he got a lot more funds that McCarthy.

As an aside, I was really hoping to make this debate without Saipan being mentioned!!!

Drumcondra 69er

02/01/2008, 2:05 PM

fair point re: O'Leary at Leeds but things went very sour for him at Villa towards the end. And no, I wouldn't take Keane. I don't think he's proven himself yet as a manager...getting Sunderland promoted was a great achievement given where they were when he took over but, as you say, he got a lot more funds that McCarthy.

As an aside, I was really hoping to make this debate without Saipan being mentioned!!!

:D

Wasn't bringing RK into it as a reference to Saipan, just as a comparison with MM given the fact that we're talking about the same club they're both struggled in the PL with. MM was severlt financially restricted last time Sunderland went up which has to be recognised as a factor in his failure in the PL. I expected better from Wolves this season though.

Some people are still polarised by Saipan though and will argue MM is a sh1te manager when he's actually half decent and argue RK is a brilliant manager when at this stage he's also half decent at best. He had a great season last year but still spent �6m stg which is a fortune for the Championship. I'd expect him to improve though as long as he holds his nerve, he was never the best at dealing woth losing....

geysir

02/01/2008, 2:08 PM

There does look to be a big push on Dalglish. I wonder what rumours are behind the flood of money.
If it stops at 2/1 then I�d guess that he is just being interviewed.

Intriguing character. Of all the candidates he is easily the most successfull club manager
and the most decorated.

Noelys Guitar

02/01/2008, 2:10 PM

Is there any hope that Delaney sees what we see. None of the current candidates are good enough. Hoddle/Daglish/Venables/Brady/O'Leary take your pick will not qualify us for the World Cup finals.

blackholesun

02/01/2008, 2:20 PM

understatement!

dont forget Scotland got badly burned hiring Bertie Vogts!

:eek:

bhs

Dr. Ogba

02/01/2008, 2:21 PM

dont forget Scotland got badly burned hiring Bertie Vogts!

:eek:

bhs

Jaysus I'd even take Bertie Vogts over some of the chancers that are being mentioned at the moment :p

NeilMcD

02/01/2008, 2:25 PM

dont forget Scotland got badly burned hiring Bertie Vogts!

:eek:

bhs

What do Bertie Vogts and Hitzfeld have in common other than the fact they are both German.

eirebhoy

02/01/2008, 2:28 PM

I've moved the McCarthy v O'Leary posts in here from the Glenn Hoddle thread.

cavan_fan

02/01/2008, 4:07 PM

Leeds = small team????? :eek: O'Leary got a wealthy, well supported team to the semis of the CL.
McCarthy got a financially struggling Sunderland to the Premiership.

Both relatively good highs....

Leeds were a small team in European terms similar in funding to Tottenham or Newcastle today. Ask yourselff if Jol had got Tottenham into the CL semi's how would he be regarded.

Compare him to Houllier who managed a UEFA cup win with Liverpool. From a distance why wouldnt you have O'Leary over him.

The fact that amazes me is that posters on here are completely ignoring O'Leary while giving serious thought to amongst others:

Paul Jewell (perennial struggler)
Glenn Hoddle (no club success, just about par performance with England)
and unbelievably Brady (never been anything but a disaster as a manager).