New Irish manager

[Kingdom]

All you can do is laff at the suggestions of people like Bruce, Aldridge, Venables. Particularily the latter two who haven't managed of their own accord in years. Maybe thats why we end up with the likes of Staunton, if we thik the solution is any big name from across the water.
This will probably drag on for a good while.

[Drumcondra 69er]

My own take on it is that last time round - Venables should have got the job. See the football England were playing during his reign, culminating in the rout against Holland. Reading Fowlers book about that time, Venables came across as a man he knew both his stuff and how to create that team ethic.

This time round? How about Souness?


This is the same Terry Venables that failed to qualify Australia and managed to ruin Portstmouth, Palace and Leeds since Euro 96? Where by the way England had 1 decent performance, they were blessed to get a draw off the Swiss, had a missed penalty to thanks against the scots and 2 perfectly legit goals for Spain wrongly chalked off in the quarters to thanks for getting through to teh semis on home soil which they lost. Venables is a spoofer of the worst kind and only has a reputation due to his pals in the media and the spin they put on his record.

As for Souness, are you for real????

[McShels]

This time round? How about Souness?

We just had the same conversation in work and one of the lads a celtic fan suggested Souness, it is intersting to say the least. Oh imagine the reaction of the some Celtic fans :D :D :D

[colster]

just on the lma website and they have a list of available managers.
Such as

George Graham
Gerard Houllier
Paul Jewell
Joe Royle
Dave O'Leary
Peter Reid
Glen Hoddle
Graeme Souness
Gianluca Vialli

Jaysus, I'd take any of them over Staunton What a shambles.

[cavan_fan]

Jewell, O'Leary, Bruce are about the level we can expect. Whowever doesn't get the Bolton job will be in the frame.

Maybe there's someone from left field, a bit like Wim Janssen who came in without much fanfare at Celtic.

I swa Kenny Cunningham on TV last night. I reckon he could be a good manager in due course if he gets a decent club job and would be the type of person I'd like around the team. Intelligent & articulate for a start.

Noooooo

You've just given Delaney an idea. I bet you were the one who suggested Staunton.

I know I may be an old traditionalist but I'd like to think there should be minimum requirements for the job namely,

At least 5 year's experience being manager (not assistant) of a professional club or International Team
At least 1 season's experience managing at the top league in either England/Italy/France or Scotland or qualification or a World Cup

Anyone else need not bother applying and that includes
Aldridge
Bonner
Cunningham
Moran
Stapleton
Houghton


or anyone else from the school of ****ing rinky dink.

As for "we can't afford" it the Gerogian manager is Klaus Topmoller who managed Bayer Lverkusen to the Champions League final. I doubt he's there for the joy of living in Tbilisi and I bet Stan is paid more than him.

[Stuttgart88]

This is the same Terry Venables that failed to qualify Australia and managed to ruin Portstmouth, Palace and Leeds since Euro 96? Where by the way England had 1 decent performance, they were blessed to get a draw off the Swiss, had a missed penalty to thanks against the scots and 2 perfectly legit goals for Spain wrongly chalked off in the quarters to thanks for getting through to teh semis on home soil which they lost. Venables is a spoofer of the worst kind and only has a reputation due to his pals in the media and the spin they put on his record.



My God, are you my alter ego? My thoughts exactly. Except maybe being "blessed" against the Swiss.

What's more he managed the English side we "beat" in 95 and they put in a shocking 25 minutes. Lineker bigs him up all the time but, hang on a minute, who made Lineker a millionaire? Oh, yeah, Venables.

[cheifo]

Paul Jewell is the one on that list I would like to see get the job.

[Gargamel]

I am going to suggest Mourinho simply because when he left Chelsea he came out and said that he wanted to try something different for a while before possibly going back to manage in the Premiership again,

He has experience and he has won things and although some might say that he had the money at Chelsea, what he did with Porto was more than impressive

I think he would relish the challenge that would be put in front of him with this sort of job but the only problem is having been paid silly money by Roman Abramovic would he settle for the kind of wages he would get from the FAI

[Stuttgart88]

Noooooo

You've just given Delaney an idea. I bet you were the one who suggested Staunton.



Read my post again...

[onephillyhughes]

Jewell, Bruce, Reid!? Give me strength!

Souness is a cancer which has destroyed any football club he's touched. Never, EVER let him near the job.

Theres fcuk all available for the job, no one stands out to me. Do we wait for the fallout from the end of the qualifiers and see who becomes available?

It has to be a big name this time round. A name that will lift fans and players alike. We want the best yet the only suggestions I see are far from the best.

How about a whipround, everyone in the country give €2, that gives us €8million to offer Jose Mourinho :D :D

Interesting this morning bookies have suspended betting on Stan keeping his job and O'Leary is 2/1 favourite.

[Donadoni]

Roy Hodgson.

He’s qualified Switzerland for a World Cup and a European Championship.
He’s making a very respectable effort to get Finland into next summer’s tournament (in a group with Portugal, Serbia, Belgium and Poland).
He has seasons of managerial experience.
He speaks English
Could he be persuaded to drop the Finns for us?

[colster]

Roy Hodgson.

He’s qualified Switzerland for a World Cup and a European Championship.
He’s making a very respectable effort to get Finland into next summer’s tournament (in a group with Portugal, Serbia, Belgium and Poland).
He has seasons of managerial experience.
He speaks English
Could he be persuaded to drop the Finns for us?

good shout.

[Wolfie]

I swa Kenny Cunningham on TV last night. I reckon he could be a good manager in due course if he gets a decent club job and would be the type of person I'd like around the team. Intelligent & articulate for a start.

Certainly a candidate for the distant future with the provision that he secures the required managerial and coaching experience and actually proves to be a success.

In the here and now, we need to be targeting someone whose been a proven success in the past. The last thing we want is a gamble on another "great servant for Ireland".

Coaching ability is important here - It's painfully obvious that this collection of players have not been coached into a cohesive international team with an identifiable game plan.

Anybody else see Hiddink interviewed after the England game? - it's a crying shame we didn't secure that chap for the job.

[onephillyhughes]

I doubt he walks around any towns other than Dundalk and up here he's just like anybody else, no one passes any remarks really. He's probably away out the Carrick road on the bike again today :D

[cavan_fan]

Read my post again...

Yes but he'll only read the first bit. By the way did anyone notice Kenny has the most bizarre bald patch at the front of his hair line. He needs Stephen Ireland's barber

[citizenerased]

doubt it, Hodgson wouldnt be bad, No way with Jewell dont rate him at all, bruce is clueless as well, forget o'leary, id get Troussier..even houllier wouldnt be the worst!!


And i read Hiddink was getting 5m a year off The russion fa(abramovich)

[John83]

Really? Got a minnow like Tranmere to a major cup final. Kept them challenging a a higher level then they're traditionally at for years on a shoestring till his best players were sold from under him. Had an exceptional record in cup football against Premier League teams.

I don't think he's the answer now and he's certainly not 'world class' but his club record was similar to, and in fact superior to Sanchez's when he got the NI job and look how well he did.

Aldridge was the ideal candidate last time out when the FAI wanted to do it on the cheap, they won't get away with doing it that way now after the Staunton debacle.
I agree, and I was hoping he'd get a look in after Kerr was given the shove and it became clear that we weren't actually getting anyone particularly good. Thing is, Delaney was 'too busy with paperwork' to consider his application, so we got the Walsall corner flag minder instead.

[carloz]

Why in Gods name does Troussiers name appear everytime we talk about getting a new manager. The man to get is Jewel. Done miracles with two very poor teams, Bradford and Wigan. Kept them up despite very poor squad and has consistenly punched above his weight. He is tactially sound and is a very motivated man. Plus i would think he would be interested. Id still be wary of going down the European manager route, i have visions of Bertie Vogts with Scotland

[Wolfie]

And i read Hiddink was getting 5m a year off The russion fa(abramovich)

There's no getting away from it - we need to cough up the dough this time.

Maybe Paddy the Plasterer could give us a dig out?

[John83]

Roy Hodgson.

He’s qualified Switzerland for a World Cup and a European Championship.
He’s making a very respectable effort to get Finland into next summer’s tournament (in a group with Portugal, Serbia, Belgium and Poland).
He has seasons of managerial experience.
He speaks English
Could he be persuaded to drop the Finns for us?
He's pretty good. He's well regarded in Italy too, so he's managed at the highest level.

[citizenerased]

he kept wigan up on the last day of the season..no way...we need a coach with pedigree...

[onephillyhughes]

Why in Gods name does Troussiers name appear everytime we talk about getting a new manager. The man to get is Jewel. Done miracles with two very poor teams, Bradford and Wigan. Kept them up despite very poor squad and has consistenly punched above his weight. He is tactially sound and is a very motivated man. Plus i would think he would be interested. Id still be wary of going down the European manager route, i have visions of Bertie Vogts with Scotland

Bankrolled by Dave Whelan at Wigan. Despite keeping them up last season, they were absolutely awful for most of the season. Failed to motivate and deal with bigger names when at Sheffield Wednesday.

[carloz]

There's no getting away from it - we need to cough up the dough this time.

Maybe Paddy the Plasterer could give us a dig out?

Thats the thing, the FAI did cough up the dough. Stan is in the top ten well paid managers in the world.....yes the World. What he did before the Irish job to justify 400,000 euro a year ill never know but he got it. Just look at Sweden, as far as I know their manager is getting 120,000 euro a year yet they constantly qualify for tournaments. Then John Delaney gets the idea that the guy who puts out the training cones for Walsall reserves deserves the Irish job on a salary of 400,000 a year. Really puzzling

[Piltownpossy]

This is the same Terry Venables that failed to qualify Australia and managed to ruin Portstmouth, Palace and Leeds since Euro 96? Where by the way England had 1 decent performance, they were blessed to get a draw off the Swiss, had a missed penalty to thanks against the scots and 2 perfectly legit goals for Spain wrongly chalked off in the quarters to thanks for getting through to teh semis on home soil which they lost. Venables is a spoofer of the worst kind and only has a reputation due to his pals in the media and the spin they put on his record.

As for Souness, are you for real????

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....:rolleyes:

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....


yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....

[geysir]

That top ten salary in the world claim is a falsehood.
Even T&T paid more for Beenhakker, financed I suspect by the touting of their tickets at the WC.

[Wolfie]

Thats the thing, the FAI did cough up the dough. Stan is in the top ten well paid managers in the world.....yes the World. What he did before the Irish job to justify 400,000 euro a year ill never know but he got it. Just look at Sweden, as far as I know their manager is getting 120,000 euro a year yet they constantly qualify for tournaments. Then John Delaney gets the idea that the guy who puts out the training cones for Walsall reserves deserves the Irish job on a salary of 400,000 a year. Really puzzling

€400,000 certainly not a pittance but we'll have to compete with Premiership prices (astronomical as they are) if we want to secure a truly decent manager with a record of achievement at a decent level.

[John83]

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....:rolleyes:

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....
He hasn't been particularly good since he managed England. I watched his Leeds spell closely, and he was a disaster for them - a team Dave O'Leary was doing rather better with. I don't think it's unfair to question whether he's up to it any more, whether it's because of out of date tactics or just not caring any more.

[onephillyhughes]

He seemed to do a much better job in an advisory role, ie. at Middlesbrough with Bryan Robson.

[Dublin12]

Wouldn't mind seeing O'Leary and George Graham getting the job. Maybe Grahams ideas might be a bit dated but one thing we would have a very good defence at least and he's a bit of a ****** and wouldn't take any ****e from the players, exactly the sort of person this team needs and the first thing he would do would be to take the captains armband from Keane and give it to Dunne.

[Stuttgart88]

yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....His international record with England doesn't really stand up to the scrutiny above in my opinion. Yes, only a shoot out away from a final, but a good performance against the Dutch excepted there was not one single perfiormance of any merit. Anyone could manage England at home in a major finals. All his successes were years ago and the game and the interpretation of its laws have changed markedly.

[onephillyhughes]

Plus he didn't actually have to go through any qualifiers, any hostile away games etc.

[Dodge]

We tried the Eircom League route with Kerr and we all saw what happened there. If we stopped wasting money on rinky dink managers we'd have more funds available.

You just don't get it, do you?

[an_ceannaire]

what exactly are the "requirements" of a good international manager tho?

[Noelys Guitar]

Chris Coleman is another who should come into the reckoning. Did a good job with Fulham.

[onephillyhughes]

He's with Sociedad now.

[Noelys Guitar]

He's with Sociedad now.

A "rolling" contract. And I'm sure I've read recently that they want him out.

[onephillyhughes]

Didn't know that.

Its hard to know where to look. Some of the names being thrown into the ring are baffling to say the least.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....:rolleyes:

He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....


yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....


He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division - How many years ago was that?
Also took them down again. Ask any Palace fan what they tink of him now after his 2nd spell there.

Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82 - Again 25 years ago
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
Replaced Maradonna with Archibald. Turned down Hugo Sanchez. Won a poor Spanish league and got teh teh European Cup final the year after the country that was the dominant force in Europe had had its teams banned. And still lost.

FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Failed in general with the best Spurs squad since 61 and spent a fortune.

Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Absolute tripe for the reasons outlined in my original post, 1 good performance and that was it.

Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....
Have you any idea who Australia had to beat to get to that play off in the Oceania group?? I could have got them that far.

Venables is a busted flush and way over the hill, he's another John Toshack, yesterday's men, the game has moved on and they haven't.

[NeilMcD]

I think we need an expert at European Qualifying so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English. They both know the international scene very well and have dealt with top players and average players. They are both used to dealing with average international squads and making them perform.

I think club managment is totally different to international managment and the skill of getting yout point across over a few days is not something I think Paul Jewell or Harry Redknapp or someone like that could do. I really hope we go down the route I recommend above as I feel we have a good crop of players coming through and it will be a waste if Staunton is in charge of them.

[Sligo Hornet]

Let us not forget, it's not just a question of picking the right candidate for us......who ever is first choice may NOT want the job! Let's face it, it isn't the most attractive of positions at present and certainly will NOT command the highest salary ( bearing in mind who has a strong grip on the purse string! ):rolleyes:

[NeilMcD]

The salary is not a problem as there is no way the Polish FA are paying more than 650,000 a year which is what we are paying Staunton and Robson. I think its an attractive job as the team is at a low ebb but the talent is there so in my view its perfect for a good international manager.

[an_ceannaire]

what in the name of God makes you think Harry Redknapp would pack in Pompey to manage Ireland!!!!

[an_ceannaire]

Neil,
"so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English"

Well of course RH speaks English.........He's English

[NeilMcD]

I never said he would, I am talking about the type of manager that would be suited to managing Ireland at this time and I dont think a weeler dealer Premiership manager is the way to go, if anybody is thinking along those lines.

But what I will say is that there is more chance of that happening than Howard Kendall getting the job.

[NeilMcD]

Neil,
"so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English"

Well of course RH speaks English.........He's English

Did not stop Paul Gascoigne or David Beckham.


I know he is English and I never said he wasnt, I just said he speaks English which is a statement of fact.

[an_ceannaire]

Neil....ure mad :)
I like it!!!
Are you Neil McDonald that used to play for Everton!!! :)
Graham Taylor is available!!!

[NeilMcD]

Sorry what are you on about.

[an_ceannaire]

some bloke just started a thread saying stan is gone:eek:

[onephillyhughes]

Harry Redknapp is a gangster. Him and the FAI would be well suited.

[Stuttgart88]

George Graham, Bertie and Delaney would be well suited to each other.