New Irish manager

[eekers]

HERES THE NEW IRISH MANAGER
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[Larks]

I thinlk they will try and get Coppell to reconsider. Venables would be third choice.

I hope so, I'd love to see coppell get the job. Seems to bring the best out of Hunt and Doyle and has done fairly well with an average side in reading. maybe the fai are waiting on reading to sort out a new manager b4 coppell leaves or theyr waiting till reading are safe of not being relegated or something. Naive, i know.

[Jerry The Saint]

They are waiting until after the Brazil game to announce a manager as they know the Serbia friendly will be a harder sell. Brazil is a big enough game on its own but the Serbia game will be much more attractive to the general public if it's the new manager's first game.

[Larks]

Id have to agree with that ya. Ireland could easiily take a hammering off Brazil and the morale in the squad would totally deflate. if the new manager comes in after the game, spirits will be lifted..................

[Dr. Ogba]

Id have to agree with that ya. Ireland could easiily take a hammering off Brazil and the morale in the squad would totally deflate. if the new manager comes in after the game, spirits will be lifted..................


Nah the Brazilians won't be ar.sed and we'll battle to a plucky nil nil win and then we'll all praise "The Don" as the saviour of Irish football

[paul_oshea]

I thinlk they will try and get Coppell to reconsider. Venables would be third choice.

i think the same about coppell

[brine3]

He seems an impressive coach, the only thing I would worry is that he seems a bit flightly when it comes to staying in a job

The thing about Co Adriaanse is that he leaves a job after he's achieved something and then goes looking for a new challenge.

He left Willem II after he got them into the Champions League.

He left AZ Alkmaar after getting them to the UEFA Cup semi-finals.

He left Porto after doing the double.

If he wants to leave Ireland after getting us qualified then he's welcome to. :D

[jmurphyc]

Co Adriaanse wasn't particularly well liked amongst Porto fans so I'm not sure whether he left by choice or not. I think he'd be a good candidate and wouldn't really care if he got us qualified and then left after the tournament. If any manager could do this then our profile would go up and we may have a better selection of candidates next time around.

[gunnerbar]

New Manager Announced

Breaking news

PA are announcing that Roddy Collins is to be
installed as the new manager of the Republic of
Ireland team.

In a brief statement the FAI's CEO John Delaney said,
he was thrilled that circumstances changed for
the former Sham Chief and that it was obvious that
Roddy couldn't float endlessly in a vacuum and that
him plugging
the republics top slot was inevitable.

Outlining Roddy's plans for the team, Delaney
salivated as he described the pionerring and
innovative training methods put to him by Collins.

"There will be a variety of second hand cars on site,
ahem, the training grounds which would then be
pushed by one half of the team while the other half
would
be inside taking turns at the wheel."
This, he said, will instill team spirit.

Track suits would also have to worn outside of
training whether it was just arriving for training or
attending a fellow players wedding or Christening.

All endurance running would be carried out at night in
darkness where Roddy would don a peak cap
and wave a
flashlight at players as they run around screaming
"f***** leg it", while being laden with
weights, for extra endurance, in the form of gold
chains, bracelets and sovereign rings.

Asked about the circumstances leading to the
appointment, Mr Delaney described the annonymous phone
call he received in the small hours of the morning
threatening to torch his home and car.

This was followed, surprisingly soon after, by a call
from
Roddy
himself saying he could protect him and he
asked me to meet him in Tesco's carpark.

He said I was to bring 20,000 euro in a brown envelope
and a bic as he had something for me to sign.

I arrived there just before 4am and when Collins
arrived, just 2 hours later, we embraced and I thanked
him wholley. We discussed my predicament, for what
must
have been about a minute, when he confirmed it was
clear that there was some kinda vendetta out on me
and that he could help me out.

He said he could also take me out of a big hole that
he heard we had at the association. If we signed him
as Ireland's manager,
30 top quality
Crombie's would be delivered to the Merrion Sq offices
along with 200 top quality hand rolled cigars
(Hamlets). It was a
no
brainer.

Roddy is everything the FAI would like to see in a
manager; He has poiseness, articulateness, class,
diplomatesqueness, second hand car dealership and
travelling to away games would be probably be the most
convenient and comfortable for the eccentric tactician
too, as, lets just say that he could have his home
anywhere on the road as long as there are roads, if
you
know what I mean.

He's the only one with a house who
has to worry about threads and air pressure.

Resembling something that looked like a 'gansta rapper
with decidedly bad dress sense and clutching his
hamlet firmly in his teeth, the flopp haired CEO strode to his
brand new '78 Ford Capri and zoomed off in a cloud of
exhaust fumes that Batman would have been proud of.

Oh yes, the future of Irish football is dazzling.

[eirebhoy]

Co Adriaanse wasn't particularly well liked amongst Porto fans so I'm not sure whether he left by choice or not.
I'm surprised by that. In his only season there he won the double and his motto is pretty much attack, attack, attack. I loved watching AZ under him. AZ v Sporting is one of the best games I've ever seen. Terrible defending though.

[Bondvillain]

Guess you can't please all the people all the time, even if you're Dutch.

[jmurphyc]

Guess you can't please all the people all the time, even if you're Dutch.

My friend who is a Porto fan said one of the main reasons was getting knocked out of the Champions League in the group stages. I think they expect the league every season at Porto so would feel that a league will is fairly unspectacular. I would personally be delighted with him as our new manager.

[macdermesser]

Can we open up a thread for him please! Add him to the poll?

Co Adriaanse green and white army!!

[Greenforever]

Co Adriaanse wasn't particularly well liked amongst Porto fans so I'm not sure whether he left by choice or not. I think he'd be a good candidate and wouldn't really care if he got us qualified and then left after the tournament. If any manager could do this then our profile would go up and we may have a better selection of candidates next time around.


Surely you don't mean that. Long term success is built on continuity, not choping and changing. The last thing we need is to employ a manager that will be gone in 2 years even if successful.

[Newryrep]

Surely you don't mean that. Long term success is built on continuity, not choping and changing. The last thing we need is to employ a manager that will be gone in 2 years even if successful.

If he is successfull then he will be offered an extension, if he accepts great , if he doesnt he has left us in better shape and a much more attractive proposition for a new incoming manager.

If he fails we dont have to fork out compensation to get rid of him. Give me 2 years of success over years of teduim/underachieving.

Unless there is a major advance in DNA some hybrid manager part Brian Clough, part Ceaser Menotti, not to old,not to young, experienced but not wanted by anybody else, cheap but not too cheap, recognised by the Irish media, speaks English, likes a pint, is good with the media, has won trophies it seems the majority will never be happy.

It has gone on this long there is bound to be disappointment even if God is appointed

[Dr. Ogba]

Surely you don't mean that. Long term success is built on continuity, not choping and changing. The last thing we need is to employ a manager that will be gone in 2 years even if successful.

in club football maybe but the reality is that if a manager has any great success in international football then he is bound to be offered a more lucrative contract in club football - Hodgson/Sanchez/McLeish/Mark Hughes are prime recent examples.
The only continuity you could get with international football is if we had decided to stick with that incompetent fool Staunton, who not even Walsall would take back!

[Greenforever]

in club football maybe but the reality is that if a manager has any great success in international football then he is bound to be offered a more lucrative contract in club football - Hodgson/Sanchez/McLeish/Mark Hughes are prime recent examples.
The only continuity you could get with international football is if we had decided to stick with that incompetent fool Staunton, who not even Walsall would take back!


What about Jack Charlton 1986 to 1996 and Mick McCarthy 1996 to 2002, 16 years one change of manager and coincidentially our most successful period ever.

I personally think that may be the reason the amigos are taking so long as they want to get someone in for the long haul and that is why i would favour Brady, McCarthy again or Coppell as all would be likely to remain in the job as long as they were wanted if successful.

[citizenerased]

Hoddle is the flavour of the Day with the bookies...!

[Dr. Ogba]

What about Jack Charlton 1986 to 1996 and Mick McCarthy 1996 to 2002, 16 years one change of manager and coincidentially our most successful period ever.

I personally think that may be the reason the amigos are taking so long as they want to get someone in for the long haul and that is why i would favour Brady, McCarthy again or Coppell as all would be likely to remain in the job as long as they were wanted if successful.


notice the difference there. I've given examples in the last 2 or 3 years, you've given examples for 5-10+ years previously. Harsh reality is that if we get a manager that is particularly successful with us (i.e qualifies us for the WC) then we're going to have a hard time holding on to him when the premiership dollars inevitably come calling...

[Stuttgart88]

I can't see Venables or Brady being (re)employed as a club manager. Coppell maybe - I do think he may be tired of it now but a spell in international management would make him very marketable and it may appeal again.

Ideal scenario would be having an Irish no. 2 like Brady who could take the reigns if necessary if the new guy leaves.

[Dr. Ogba]

I can't see Venables or Brady being (re)employed as a club manager. Coppell maybe - I do think he may be tired of it now but a spell in international management would make him very marketable and it may appeal again.

Ideal scenario would be having an Irish no. 2 like Brady who could take the reigns if necessary if the new guy leaves.

exactly, as i said before, if we are prioritising finding a candidate that will be looking to be with us in the long haul then we are going to be stuck with mediocrity like Brady, Venebles, Staunton etc....
Many posters (including myself) have been going on a while about getting someone with the experience and credentials to get us to the world cup. If (and big IF!) we get the right man to do the job for us then we've got to face the facts that he may jump ship after 2 years if he gets a big premiership offer.

I know which one I'd prefer....

[cheifo]

Dr Ogba there is no way you can put Venables and Staunton in the same bracket.:rolleyes:Did Stan manage Barcelona,Engerland to the Euro semis,Spuds to the cup?He has his faults but we aint gonna get the Gus Hiddinks of this world.

[brine3]

Lippi only managed Italy for two years and Big Phil only managed Brazil for two years. They didn't do too bad. What's the obsession with long term? We're a small country and shouldn't think twice if a manager like Co Adriaanse wants the job.

Due to the board environment / fan pressure Porto isn't a job where managers hang around anyway, even Mourinho was only there for two seasons.

[mackannovic]

How much are Houghton, Givens and Howe on a week? Surely the longer this goes on, the more they earn the sneaky so and sos.

[jmurphyc]

How much are Houghton, Givens and Howe on a week? Surely the longer this goes on, the more they earn the sneaky so and sos.

I'd assume they were given a set wage for doing the job irrespective of how long the process takes. If not then it was an amazing oversight on the FAI's part.

[colster]

I'd assume they were given a set wage for doing the job irrespective of how long the process takes. If not then it was an amazing oversight on the FAI's part.

Sounds Reasonable. Probably have a bonus attached as well if the new manager succeeds.

[Deckydee]

Dr Ogba there is no way you can put Venables and Staunton in the same bracket.:rolleyes:Did Stan manage Barcelona,Engerland to the Euro semis,Spuds to the cup?He has his faults but we aint gonna get the Gus Hiddinks of this world.

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.

[Jerry The Saint]

Sounds Reasonable. Probably have a bonus attached as well if the new manager succeeds.

Don't forget that sweet, sweet expense account.

[cavan_fan]

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

[jmurphyc]

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

Trapattoni has been successful in the last 10 years. Has Venables? He's won two trophies in his 32 year managerial career.

[Drumcondra 69er]

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

Boll0x we would, 9 league titles plays one for a start.

[cheifo]

Sorry to argue chiefo but I have to agree with Dunphy when he said that Engerlands Euro 96 was a complete fluke.

No probs DeckyDee.From what I remember they were lucky against Spain but looked a well organised outfit against Germayin the s/f.I dont paticularly take to Venables persona but players who have played under him talk about his coaching with great respect.I just think we are losing perspective.There is no way you can equate Stans glorious stint with Walsalls reserves with Venables experience.

[Noelys Guitar]

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.

[bennocelt]

B*ll*ks. If you mean they were lucky then yes they were, but then the same could be said for most teams who do relatively well. You cant just write off his achievements and say they dont count.

I've said it before if Venables was Italian we'd be falling over ourselves to have him (see Trapattoni).

I dont think El tel is that bad actually, and he is well respected as a coach,
but
In euro 96 they were very lucky, and spain with a more attacking manager would have bet them, and switzerlland and scotland had them under the cosh too, in a bad tournament

[kennedmc]

One of the things I like about Venables is he has just turned 65 so I reckon we could get 3/4 campigns out of him if things go well.

THe likes of Alladryce - a good WC campaign and the PL clubs start sniffing around and he gone in a flash.

[brine3]

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.

Nobody wants to admit they were thrashed 4-1 by an average side.

[Noelys Guitar]

Nobody wants to admit they were thrashed 4-1 by an average side.

You are probably right. Plus the Dutch dislike of the Germans.

[craig7042]

I was living in Holland in 96 and the Dutch media and fans I met said England should have won the tournament. They were very impressed with the way England played. Unlucky rather than lucky was the prevailing view.

I agree. I know England were at home that year, but there is no question in my mind that Venables had England playing the most positive, organised and attractive football I've ever seen them play at any tournament. The biggest problem in international football is motivating the team and in my view Venables did that with England brilliantly that year.

I'd feel very positive about him as potential manager. I find the "holier than thou" attitude quite ironic about his shady past. Since when did us Irish ever have a problem with politicians and leaders being less than perfect?

[eekers]

I agree. I know England were at home that year, but there is no question in my mind that Venables had England playing the most positive, organised and attractive football I've ever seen them play at any tournament. The biggest problem in international football is motivating the team and in my view Venables did that with England brilliantly that year.

I'd feel very positive about him as potential manager. I find the "holier than thou" attitude quite ironic about his shady past. Since when did us Irish ever have a problem with politicians and leaders being less than perfect?

the thing was when he was managing England he was behind it 100% he loved the job. he probably would of done it for nothing. since then, in most of the other managerial jobs he's had, he hasn't give them the same time or commitment as he did the England job. they usually take a back seat to his business commitments. Even when he was assistant to mcLaren he refused to give up his newspaper column through which he ended up alienating himself from mcLaren.

I'd have no problem with venables if he was taking the job on with 100% commitment but i (and most other people) cant help but think he'll go into it half heartedly again, and see it as a bit of an earner. Reports from when he was after the bulgarian job were that he wanted to take on the bulgarian job on the basis that he stayed in england and watched the bulgarian players on tv, and turned up only whenever there was a game on!!

So really its not about his "shady past". Its about the amount of time and energy he would put into the role.

[Bluebeard]

Reports from when he was after the bulgarian job were that he wanted to take on the bulgarian job on the basis that he stayed in england and watched the bulgarian players on tv, and turned up only whenever there was a game on!!

You mean to say that it would be unlikely to see El Tel down at St. Colman's on a Tuesday night at a league cup game checking out the rupmours about Dav O'Neill being the next big thing? Or going to Stranolar (Harps will be thinking about moving on by the time there is an appointment made) for the "North West Derby" some bitter night in November on the off chance that Keith Foy might be lining out for the away team, as he has finally realised that it is several years since we had a regular left full. WHat kind of uncommitted manager is that?

Let's start the campaign here:

EL TEL, GO HELL
IF YOU DON'T GO TO THE E.L.!

[soccerc]

Trapattoni back in the mix as part of a dream team :D

[geysir]

Who sponsors your site soccerc, PP? :)
I had a dream last night that Ireland would beat Italy by 13 points, a tally sweetened by a late try.

[Ash]

El Tel to be announced today according to an email I just got.
Info came from a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend, of someone
who knows a Spurs scout over here :o

Although just got another one from the same lad while typing this
that Daglish, Trapatoni and Venebles are now 2/1 joint favs

[Bondvillain]

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[soccerc]

Who sponsors your site soccerc, PP? :)

Nobody sponsors it and personally I've no time for gambling or bookies.

Secondly, did you not notice the big grin smilie?

[Deckydee]

Judge Venables on these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiSlzJlylaM


This is also interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPfL_F9sX8&feature=related


Comments please

[geysir]

Secondly, did you not notice the big grin smilie?
Of course, that's why I put a smilie as well, only a small one, 'cause I was only smiling.

(Next time I will put a few :D before the reply)

[Drumcondra 69er]

I agree. I know England were at home that year, but there is no question in my mind that Venables had England playing the most positive, organised and attractive football I've ever seen them play at any tournament. The biggest problem in international football is motivating the team and in my view Venables did that with England brilliantly that year.

I'd feel very positive about him as potential manager. I find the "holier than thou" attitude quite ironic about his shady past. Since when did us Irish ever have a problem with politicians and leaders being less than perfect?

That's a myth though mate, if you throw your mind back and ignore all the britpop football's coming home and Gazza's dentist chair b0llix you'll see that England were rubbish against the Swiss, Scotland and Spain and had one great performance against a Dutch team that was so bad Jordi Cryuff was starting in some games and an average performance against the Germans in a game they lost. That's the least I'd expect on home soil....

[citizenerased]

agree with drumcondra69...

[Stuttgart88]

yep, me too. I was at the Holland game, Holland gave up. I was at Spain game, Spain were robbed by a home team ref.

If McAllister had scored his penalty Engalnd may well have played 5, won one and drawn 4 after 90 minutes. At home.

I accept that at a finals the opposition is tougher but that type of form would have you in 4th or 5th in a qualification group.

His friendly results at England were awful in the year or two before Euro 96. In fairness you could say exactly the same about Holland pre-2000 but in Euro 2000 the Dutch were brilliant, deserving at least of a final spot (2 missed penalties in normal time...). You could say the same about Germany pre-06 too.