New Irish manager [Archive] - Page 38

ruben_sosa

18/01/2008, 11:58 AM

Managed france badly the same france that under different management failed the qualify for 1990 world cup and were knocked out in the first round of Sweden 1992. In the 1994 qualifiers he beat Israel away 4-0, beat Sweden 2-1 at home and defeated all the lower ranking teams in the group. Yeah he managed them terribly...

failed to qualify despite having two home games to Bulgari and Israel the same Bulgaria that finished fourth in the subsequent World Cup, Sweden who were also in Frances group finished Third.

Lyon can win the league without any manager no point even replying to such a stupid statement.

it was mostly Le Guen work that set the ball rolling there By that logic then, it was mostly Houlliers work that set the ball rolling for Frances 1998 World cup win.

Liverpool, well 7 years into six year plan and all that the same plan which won Liverpool 2 league cups, FA cup, UEFA cup, Charity Shield, Premiership Runners-up and consistent top 5 finishes.

Yes, Houllier is clearly inept to manage a team of Irelands stature !

Stuttgart88

18/01/2008, 12:07 PM

Well said Ruben, agree with everything. He may not be everyone's favourite for the job but to dismiss him on the basis of his record is ridiculous.

You can point at the WC 94 qualification as a failure (notwithstanding the fact that they were in pole position with 2 to go so he was obviously doing something right) but the Bulgarian winner was a freakishly good goal - when you concede a goal like that in those circumstances you just know your number's up. It was over 14 years ago and I think it's fair to say Houllier has taken a few things on board since then.

Noelys Guitar

18/01/2008, 12:18 PM

Tigana is now 8/1 on Paddypowers. The bookies are manipulating the market for their own gain. Complete joke. They are going throw Zindane into the mix before Tuesday. Probably on Saturday when most punters are at home.

Reddladd

18/01/2008, 12:20 PM

El Tel has now drifted out to 5/2 with Paddy Power. Might be worth a punt at this stage.............as far as some are concerned he's still a shoe in for the job!

Block G Raptor

18/01/2008, 12:22 PM

According to FAI.ie the manager vacancy has been filled :D:D:D

geysir

18/01/2008, 12:37 PM

What was Dunphy saying on the RTE lunchtime news? I caught the end of it where he said that according to his sources Venables is all but selected.

The Bit O'Red

18/01/2008, 12:39 PM

The latest contender to be adde to a very long list, anybody know why the late inclusion?

finnpark

18/01/2008, 12:43 PM

the term "in denial" may apply here...

Yes indeed. It was the same for the Staunton job. Except this time we let on that its all not one big fix and interview a lot of candidates to fool the fans. yes now I see.

Will someone start the "Vennables Out" thread please

citizenerased

18/01/2008, 12:51 PM

might stick a tonne on el tel if i get him at 3-1, at least that will ease the pain of him being appointed manager!

colster

18/01/2008, 12:53 PM

Yes indeed. It was the same for the Staunton job. Except this time we let on that its all not one big fix and interview a lot of candidates to fool the fans. yes now I see.

Will someone start the "Vennables Out" thread please

:rolleyes:
based on what?

tetsujin1979

18/01/2008, 1:01 PM

Roy Keane's take on O'Leary's refusal to be interviewed: http://www.skysports.com/video/0,20285,12606_3057958,00.html

Drumcondra 69er

18/01/2008, 1:17 PM

Roy Keane's take on O'Leary's refusal to be interviewed: http://www.skysports.com/video/0,20285,12606_3057958,00.html

What does he have to say about it? Can't access that from work.....

NeilMcD

18/01/2008, 1:18 PM

Why should football managers believe they should not be interviewed.

Noelys Guitar

18/01/2008, 1:21 PM

What was Dunphy saying on the RTE lunchtime news? I caught the end of it where he said that according to his sources Venables is all but selected.

Dunphy said he was told Venables has the job but he could not say for certain. Called Venables a c-list manager. The reporter asked Dunphy who would he appoint and he said Jewell or maybe Coppell. Repeated what he has been saying recently about the process ie professional headhunters should be seeking candidates for the job and not the 3 lads.

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 1:21 PM

What does he have to say about it? Can't access that from work.....

Pretty much that Managers who are sure of themselves shouldnt be faffing about with interviews, and that anyone who wasn't offered the job outright is perfectly entitled to politely delcine an interview.

He seems to intimate that the whole idea of an interview process was pointless in the first place. They should either know who to go for, or they shouldnt be in the game at all. He feels that Interviews are embarrassing for all concerned.

Stuttgart88

18/01/2008, 1:23 PM

Does anyone think Roy Keane has been following this closely or is he just stirring it? He says it's better than Big Brother but didn't offer any insight or even hint that he knew what was going on. His "saving money" jibe was daft.

Frankly I don't find his comments interesting, informed or welcome on this topic.

And I agree with Neil, why shouldn't football managers be interviewed and be prepared to be interviewed?

Drumcondra 69er

18/01/2008, 1:23 PM

Pretty much that Managers who are sure of themselves shouldnt be faffing about with interviews, and that anyone who wasn't offered the job outright is perfectly entitled to politely delcine an interview.

He seems to intimate that the whole idea of an interview process was pointless in the first place. They should either know who to go for, or they shouldnt be in the game at all. He feels that Interviews are embarrassing for all concerned.

Cheers. That's all fair enough especially when everyone reckons the process is purely a smokescreen in any case.

colster

18/01/2008, 1:25 PM

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 1:31 PM

RK seems to love commenting on anything and everything. He should just shut up and get on with his job.

Part of his job includes Press conferences, where stupid people ask stupid questions. It's not like he was waving a big "ASK ME ABOUT THE FAI!" flag or anything...

jbyrne

18/01/2008, 1:32 PM

RK seems to love commenting on anything and everything. He should just shut up and get on with his job.

to be fair to him if hes asked a question he has to answer it. did you look at the interview?..... very very tame stuff indeed.

dunphy was on the rte 1 news at lunchtime saying that venebles is a C list candidate at best and we should stay well clear. backed the statement up by saying no premier lge club would want him so why should we? said that he has been told that el tel will be the manager but that you never know with the fai

Dr. Ogba

18/01/2008, 1:32 PM

RK seems to love commenting on anything and everything. He should just shut up and get on with his job.

exactly, probably trying to take the focus away from the shambles that he is currently presiding over...

Stuttgart88

18/01/2008, 1:36 PM

I can't access bookies' websites at work.

Just out of interest, how do the major bookies see it at the moment, i.e., current odds?

colster

18/01/2008, 1:36 PM

to be fair to him if hes asked a question he has to answer it. did you look at the interview?..... very very tame stuff indeed.

no didn't see it. it's a general criticism about RK. He seems to comment about everything. if he was asked the question he could just say no comment and get on with dealing with qs about his own job. He seems to want to be a media darling to keep himself and sunderland in the news. I'm not sure that's wise.

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 1:39 PM

if he was asked the question he could just say no comment .

Which would of course lead to

"KEANE IN LINE FOR IRELAND JOB!"

headline speculation in the "news" papers. No one needs that except maybe the bookies. They seem to be running out of money spinning favourites.

Dr. Ogba

18/01/2008, 1:43 PM

Which would of course lead to

"KEANE IN LINE FOR IRELAND JOB!"

headline speculation in the "news" papers. No one needs that except maybe the bookies. They seem to be running out of money spinning favourites.

well it was a sunderland press conference so, if asked about the Irish job, all he needs to say is that "its none of mine or Sunderland's business...next question" - absolutely no chance of the papers spinning that...

seems like Keane is stirring sh*t just for the sake of it....

Jerry The Saint

18/01/2008, 1:44 PM

I can't access bookies' websites at work.

Just out of interest, how do the major bookies see it at the moment, i.e., current odds?

Betfair

Gerard Houllier 1.9
Terry Venables 3.55
Liam Brady 12
Sam Allardyce 30
John Giles 14
Jean Tigana 17
Didier Deschamps 48
Glenn Hoddle 38

Paddy Power

Gerard Houllier 4 - 7
Terry Venables 5 - 2
Liam Brady 8 - 1
Jean Tigana 8 - 1
Johnny Giles 14 - 1
Glenn Hoddle 20 - 1
Didier Deschamps 22 - 1
Sam Allardyce 28 - 1

PP also have a sensitive piece on Stephen Ireland's mental health problems on their homepage entitled "Dumb and Dumber II" :eek:

Stuttgart88

18/01/2008, 1:48 PM

Thanks Jerry. When did Tigana appear, only last 24 hours? Bit O Red mentioned it above.

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 1:52 PM

all he needs to say is that "its none of mine or Sunderland's business...next question" - absolutely no chance of the papers spinning that...

SUN SPORT BACK PAGE

"Roy Keane, immediately terminated discussion on the Vacant Irish managers position in what WAS, prior to this explosive revelation, a low-key Press conference earlier today, leading to speculation in some quarters that he may be being lined up in a shock swoop by the increasingly desperate FAI.....Sources close to the Wearside club could neither confirm nor deny the structure of the plan, but the Drumaville consortium are said to be .... (Continued pg 78)"

There. I've just added 2000 copies to the Oirish Sun's circulation.

Torn-Ado

18/01/2008, 1:52 PM

well it was a sunderland press conference so, if asked about the Irish job, all he needs to say is that "its none of mine or Sunderland's business...next question" - absolutely no chance of the papers spinning that...

seems like Keane is stirring sh*t just for the sake of it....

Keane was asked the question himself and gave his tuppence worth which was fairly brief. He basically said what most Irish fans have been saying for months: The interview system is a joke.

Pick the sh*t stirrin out of that.

tetsujin1979

18/01/2008, 1:55 PM

Dunphy's interview from the RTE News At One earlier: http://media.putfile.com/Eamon-Dunphy-interview-on-RTE-News-At-One

Dr. Ogba

18/01/2008, 2:01 PM

SUN SPORT BACK PAGE

"Roy Keane, immediately terminated discussion on the Vacant Irish managers position in what WAS, prior to this explosive revelation, a low-key Press conference earlier today, leading to speculation in some quarters that he may be being lined up in a shock swoop by the increasingly desperate FAI.....Sources close to the Wearside club could neither confirm nor deny the structure of the plan, but the Drumaville consortium are said to be .... (Continued pg 78)"

There. I've just added 2000 copies to the Oirish Sun's circulation.

:D bravo!

*forks out 1 Euro to bondvillain*

Jerry The Saint

18/01/2008, 2:03 PM

Thanks Jerry. When did Tigana appear, only last 24 hours? Bit O Red mentioned it above.

Added by PP this mornng I think, seemingly out of nowhere.

Bottle of Tonic

18/01/2008, 2:04 PM

And I agree with Neil, why shouldn't football managers be interviewed and be prepared to be interviewed?

I'd say it's more to do with the fact the interview will be conducted by or instigated by the three boys, who any confident, sought-after manager wouldn't have much respect for in terms of their Irish football knowledge.
I mean, it's not like people don't see them as some badly cobbled together farce of a panel, and think they are the three greatest brains in the Irish game.

what would the interview be like?

"where do you see yourself in five years time Roy/Gerard/Didier/etc"

geysir

18/01/2008, 2:05 PM

Thanks Noely for the RTE news info. Dunphy may as well have said he would appoint Jock Stein instead, wtf is the point of saying 'I'd appoint Jewell'

I am only getting the hang of Betfair. It looks to me that Tigana has come in there but there is not a lot of money being laid on him.

colster

18/01/2008, 2:17 PM

I'd say it's more to do with the fact the interview will be conducted by or instigated by the three boys, who any confident, sought-after manager wouldn't have much respect for in terms of their Irish football knowledge.
I mean, it's not like people don't see them as some badly cobbled together farce of a panel, and think they are the three greatest brains in the Irish game.

what would the interview be like?

"where do you see yourself in five years time Roy/Gerard/Didier/etc"

:rolleyes:

How about?

How well do you know the players?
How would you have them play?
what is your philosophy on football?
how would you deal with the teams in our group?
Can we qualify or would you rebuild for next EC/WC?
where do you think our strengths & weaknesses lie.
how would you rebuild confidence.

etc. etc.

I think the interview process is invaluable. It can identify a manager and his readiness and enthusiasm to start/do the job.

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 2:21 PM

:D bravo!

*forks out 1 Euro to bondvillain*

And here's your change. (I was writing for the sun, ergo standard Journalistic rates do not apply)

*hands back 85c*

:D

Torn-Ado

18/01/2008, 2:24 PM

colster

18/01/2008, 2:34 PM

It did us a sh*t load of good the last three campaigns.

And what's the alternative? How do you pick the best manager for the job?

Bondvillain

18/01/2008, 2:42 PM

:rolleyes:

I think the interview process is invaluable. It can identify a manager and his readiness and enthusiasm to start/do the job.

I think saying :

"Hey Mr *insert manager with decent history of bringing sucess to middling teams here*, Are you ready to do this job, and are you enthusiastic about it? Cos you're top of our list on the basis of your world famous achievements, and If you ready & enthusiastic, we have a considerable amount of money to give you. "

would have been equally sucessful. (And unless the statement was read out by someone with extreme learning difficulties, it wouldnt take three damn months to do, either... )

Seriously, If you ran a managerless computer company, and had even the slightest suspicion that Bill Gates was interested in running it, would you call him for interview, (along with the guy who has experience stealing computers, a guy who has extensive knowledge of the 1983 Apple II 5&3/4 inch floppy drive model, and the guy who failed maths & science in his junior cert) or would you headhunt him, & lock you & him & your best business minds and persuasive employees in a room so you and he could negotiate the best possible arrangement?

Bottle of Tonic

18/01/2008, 2:45 PM

:rolleyes:

How about?

How well do you know the players?
How would you have them play?
what is your philosophy on football?
how would you deal with the teams in our group?
Can we qualify or would you rebuild for next EC/WC?
where do you think our strengths & weaknesses lie.
how would you rebuild confidence.

etc. etc.

I think the interview process is invaluable. It can identify a manager and his readiness and enthusiasm to start/do the job.
:rolleyes: yourself.

What I was getting at was a prospective manager would probably think the 'interview' by three randoms who aren't exactly the be all and end all of irish football knowledge would be conducted as if they had just read a 'how to do an interview' manual before the candidate showed up.

The managers believe they should be trusted and picked and not have to explain themselves to people with lower positions and achievements in football than themselves.

I am in favour of interview if there are a number of 'alright' candidates and no standout. If there is a standout he should be approached and got, like Roy was on about.

colster

18/01/2008, 2:52 PM

I think saying :

"Hey Mr *insert manager with decent history of bringing sucess to middling teams here*, Are you ready to do this job, and are you enthusiastic about it? Cos you're top of our list on the basis of your world famous achievements, and If you ready & enthusiastic, we have a considerable amount of money to give you. "

would have been equally sucessful. (And unless the statement was read out by someone with extreme learning difficulties, it wouldnt take three damn months to do, either... )

Seriously, If you ran a managerless computer company, and had even the slightest suspicion that Bill Gates was interested in running it, would you call him for interview, (along with the guy who has experience stealing computers, a guy who has extensive knowledge of the 1983 Apple II 5&3/4 inch floppy drive model, and the guy who failed maths & science in his junior cert) or would you headhunt him, & lock you & him & your best business minds and persuasive employees in a room so you and he could negotiate the best possible arrangement?

but hey that ain't the situation we have here is it.
1. We don't have the money to headhunt the best candidate. the best candidates are making stacks of dough in club management.
2. We have a list of mediocre managers who have expresssed an interest none of whom is a stand out candidate. How do you determine which one to hire. The least you can do is to talk to the viable ones and then chose.

colster

18/01/2008, 2:54 PM

:rolleyes: yourself.

What I was getting at was a prospective manager would probably think the 'interview' by three randoms who aren't exactly the be all and end all of irish football knowledge would be conducted as if they had just read a 'how to do an interview' manual before the candidate showed up.

The managers believe they should be trusted and picked and not have to explain themselves to people with lower positions and achievements in football than themselves.

I am in favour of interview if there are a number of 'alright' candidates and no standout. If there is a standout he should be approached and got, like Roy was on about.

And who exactly is the stand out candidate.

jbyrne

18/01/2008, 3:00 PM

well it was a sunderland press conference so, if asked about the Irish job, all he needs to say is that "its none of mine or Sunderland's business...next question" - absolutely no chance of the papers spinning that...

seems like Keane is stirring sh*t just for the sake of it....

he's entitled to an opinion as anyone. he was asked a question and he answered it honestly and what he said had zero scandal. some people will just latch onto anything to knock our greatest ever player. i wonder if someone like paul mcgrath had said what roy said would it even get a mention on this thread?

Bottle of Tonic

18/01/2008, 3:09 PM

And who exactly is the stand out candidate.

If we are taking the Deschamps rumours of a couple of days ago to be like Jean Tigana today, (i.e BS) then

Houllier.

Dr. Ogba

18/01/2008, 3:16 PM

he's entitled to an opinion as anyone. he was asked a question and he answered it honestly and what he said had zero scandal. some people will just latch onto anything to knock our greatest ever player. i wonder if someone like paul mcgrath had said what roy said would it even get a mention on this thread?

ah go way out of that. some people seem to think that any criticism aimed at Keane is an attempt to "knock our greatest ever player" :rolleyes:.

The thing is that Keane is the only one that has gone out of his way to knock and undermine the process as much as he can and this is the exact reason that the media keep on asking him about it. the rags are guaranteed a big headline along the lines of "Keane slams the FAI selection process" as soon as they ask him the question.
No matter if we agree with Keane (and to a point I do!), I just don't understand why he keeps commenting on it as it has absolutely nothing to do with him!! I agree that he's entitled to his opinion but he should realise that anything he says (as previously pointed out by others) will be spinned to high-heavens by the media. He's been critical of the process on several occasions now, we all know where he stands on it so he should just mind his own business (i.e Sunderland) at this stage...

colster

18/01/2008, 3:18 PM

If we are taking the Deschamps rumours of a couple of days ago to be like Jean Tigana today, (i.e BS) then

Houllier.

when did Houllier express an interest?
Look the time to judge the success of this process is after the new manager has been installed and we've actually played a few games.
Also the idea that some of the potential candidates would being interview by fellow football people is ridiculous. Most of them have had to deal with idiotic chairman. I think it would be a change for them to talk with people who actually have playing, coaching and mgmt experience.
The time taken to appoint so far isn't a problem. There's no rush. I remember people saying we should wait until after the Euro Championships when some of the managers may be available. I think that's way too late.