New Irish manager

[DeNiro]

I think as long as Delaney is there Aldridge won't be.

[eirebhoy]

Kerr got us FOURTH . . . behind ISRAEL.

What's wrong with Israel and will they ever get the credit they deserve? They're a decent team.

I'm not going to type a post of why I liked Kerr but I will just say that the difference between us and the group winners (eventual WC finalists) was 1 Thierry Henry goal. He got very little luck. We deserved to beat Israel 5-0 at home and certainly showed passion in that game. We lost our captain and arguably most important player for the crucial game in Switzerland. We lost our striker for the big game against Russia. We lost our only real creative player when we needed him most in the home game against Switzerland. If he got the slightest bit of luck we'd have had at least a playoff place and I'd say we'd have done well at the WC considering we rarely lost under Kerr.

I'm not saying his time in charge was a success but I still rate him really highly as a manager and I think he'll prove himself across the water. I didn't really hear much of him commentating last night but I did hear him say that the team needed a holding midfielder last night. There's no way Kerr would have fielded that central midfield pairing.

[deadman]

hello .... niall quinn ;)

available, kinda ... more experience than stan

[onenilgameover]

i'd consider pat fenlon too.

...also klinsmann is free and what with the germans in our group...........

[pineapple stu]

Mick McCarthy.

[endabob1]

I wasn't upset when Kerr went I felt that he might have been given another campaign (like McCarthy was) but there was a fundemental lack of ambition with Kerr's teams. We lacked a killer instinct against Israel home and away when we were clearly the better side and at home to Switzerland it was clear they would come for a 0-0 we never really went for it, we were as well to lose as draw that game with 30 minutes to go we should have had 3/4 up front but we never looked like winning it.
The other reason I wasn't upset when Kerr went was I really believed we would end up with a top line manager, the appointment of Dumb and Dumber left me in shock. I wanted to believe that they would progress us past the level we were at under Kerr but 4 defeats in 5 games including the humiliation at the weekend has realised my worst fears. I wanted Stan to get the full campaign but I was wrong, the damage has already been done and I think he needs to go and we need to appoint someone who will instill fear and respect into the players. Who that is at the moment I have no idea the names in the frame like Daglish, Aldridge, Souness, Curbishley none of them inspire confidence;
Daglish is the only one who has really done it at Club level but he's been out of the game for a long time,
Aldo has the passion and some experience but I think would be better as a No2
Curbishley doesn't inspire me, I reckon he would be another Kerr, well organised but probably lacking the killer edge
Souness wouldn't take any crap and would be his own man but I just don't rate him as a manager.
Any of them would be better than Stan though!

[Stuttgart88]

I'm going to do a Stan and remain stubborn. I was glad to see the back of Kerr, a man I like & admire to this day. I'd love to know the EXACT truth about his tenure though. What exactly was his realtionship with his players and why?If the simple answer is that they were lazy & spoilt then **** them.

Most of what eirebhoy says above is true. And one thing is very important that's maybe being selectively overlooked: the role of Chris Hughton. Surely he was at least a sounding board for tactics and substitutions etc? Or was Kerr simply too stubborn himself & authoritarian? Was he too out of his depth at this level?

Does any of us really know?

Scotland could easily have lost to France. It's not a science. Henry hit the inside of the post from 25 yards against them, he scored from 25 yards against us. They scored from a corner, we hit the post from a free kick. We might have got a draw, narrow win, they got a narrow win.

But: the way they set themselves up gave them every chance. The way we're setting ourselves up now gives us no chance. A winger and a midget (no fault attached to stephen Ireland for saturday) can not compete against ANYBODY at international level.

No top class manager would work for Delaney. Many would work for Kerr.

Would I prefer Kerr to Stan? Yes.

I'm going to get tendonitis my knee is jerking so much this morning!

[smellyfeet]

Give the job to Ger Loughnane....He would get the players to work hard and with a bit of pride not like the ***** Staunton....No seriously tough,what is going to happen. This is no joke at the moment, and the thing is that Staunton has got the backing of Delaney and as long as he is there so will staunton...Hopfully after the Czech game there will be a desicion make on Stauntos future.

[Stuttgart88]

hello .... niall quinn ;)

available, kinda ... more experience than stan

& same record in competitive games: 0%

[NeilMcD]

Kerr was very tactically aware and I think even the most anti Kerr people would say we would never concede 5 goals against a team like Cypurs. I think there are some people living in la la land who think we are world beaters and others who are doom and gloom merchants. I think the reality is in the middle. I have been saying for some time on this board that Scotland had decent players and with a decent manager they would get decent results. I think the same about ourselves. Walter Smith is a good manager who knows how to set up a team at this level. What needs to be done, how to motivate the players etc. They have Ally Mc Coist as their Cheerleader we went an appointed our cheerleader as manager. Staunton has less tactical awareness than Mc Coist does and Mc Coist is only there to gee the team up before games etc.

I think we have some very average players but what is worse is that we have some really good players who are not playing for us at the moment and have not done for a while. I am often amazed how quickly a good manager can get a team that appears to be going nowhere playing well. That is through decent work on the training pitch. It appears to me that no work was done on the training pitch last week that was any benefit to the team whatsover.

[cavan_fan]

Would I prefer Kerr to Stan? Yes.

I'm going to get tendonitis my knee is jerking so much this morning!


You could replace the name Kerr in that sentence with almost anyone else involved in the world of fottball and the answer would be yes. Can't think of anyone managing in the Eircom League, Premiership etc that I wouldnt have instead of Stan

[tetsujin1979]

I'd prefer Kerr to Stan too, but I still wouldn't have Kerr back. Kerr is a better manager, that's been proven over the last 4 games, but his tenure was still a step back after McCarthy that's turned into a sharp drop in quality.

[shakermaker1982]

Big Sam - if we can't win fairly then at least he can throw a tenner to the ref at half time.

[galwayhoop]

........
Curbishley - Available, successful, perhaps lacking a bit in passion, but good all round
I'M SURE HE WOULD JUMP AT THE CHANCE TO MANAGE A TEAM FULL OF CHAMPIONSHIP AND MID TABLE PREMIERSHIP PRE-MADONNA'S

Big Sam - Maybe available soon, gritty, gets the best out of players, ideal i would say

Louis Van Gaal - At AZ Alkmaar, we would be a bigger fish surely and he didn't get his reputation for nothing
A BIGGER FISH - US? I DOUBT IT

Alex Mcleish - ex-Rangers, would annoy the Celtic shirt wearing saturday night rebel element of the fan base, a good thing imho. I think he could do well
A GOOD CHOICE - HIS TEAM FINISHED 3RD IN THE 2 HORSE RACE THAT IS THE SPL!!

Gary Megson - Could do well, available cheapish
WHY EXACTLY COULD HE DO WELL

Bryan Robson - Available, cheap, the sort of idiot they could go for
TRUE

David O'Leary - For the love of God no!!!



in fairness there is very little options and any eL managers won't get a shout either so i reckon the boys in merrion sq are just hoping for the draw on wed to stan by their man!

[galwayhoop]

and big sam hasn't got a notion of leaving bolton for us

[Bring Back Mick]

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ENOUGH SAID...........................................

Lets put an end to all this pussyfooting around, Kerr didn't have the respect of the players and they were all taking the pi$$ in the end, but hey we done well in the friendies , great stuff, well done lads !!!

Mick would put the fear of God into the squad they wouldn't know what hit them if they performed like they did on Saturday for him.

As for all the slagging JD is getting, at the moment I disagree. Maybe some fans don't appreciate the work he is putting in to raising the profile of all levels of football in Ireland , when he came over to the London RISSC he was very honest and open in discussions about Irish football....talking about the domestic and International scene..............:rolleyes:

Ps : - Stan if you reading this, have a couple of decent central defenders, central midfielders and an out and out goalscorer available for Weds from the LONDON RISSC TEAM !!!

[harps1954]

According to some reports in the papers this morning, it says that the FAI are going to appoint Kenny Dalglish to Bobby Robson's job. Why don't they just sack Staunton, give Dalglish the Manager's job and f**k off with this International Consultations Role (or whatever it's called). Let Dalglish bring in someone like John Aldridge as his Assistant then. Dalglish and Aldridge would be a far better management team than that of Staunton/McDonald.

For me, Staunton has to go regardless of what happens on Wednesday night. I don't subscribe to this idea that Delaney must go as well as I do believe he is doing a good enough job. Remember, the FAI is not just about who is managing the Senior International Team.

Finally, I'd get rid of that Muppet Mick Byrne as well.:)

[shakermaker1982]

Kenny Dalglish? Why don't we get John Barnes in as well while we're at it.

[Billsthoughts]

why is delaney doing a good job?
what good has he done?

[buts86]

just by the look of delaney throws me off as him being good at anything....complete pigeon!

[DeNiro]

When you look at it in the cold light of day isn't it amazing that Staunton, who played under Dalglish, Souness, Houllier, Atkinson, Charlton and McCarthy and played with the likes of Keane, Dalglish, Brady, McGrath, etc can't conjure up an ounce of leadership or tactical awareness to beat 103rd best team in the world. What was he doing every day when he was a player - daydreaming?

[Newryrep]

If Stauntons leaves/resigns/get sacked realistically who is available/affordable and spare me the Martin O Neill/ Gus Hiddinck etc wish lists

We are a 4th ranked team with a cheapskate FA in a rainy climate - not exactly enticing

Russia - rich
arab - rich and hot
Carribean - hot
asian - rich
austriala - hot

Actually we are F**ked

[kingp35]

Stan has got to go, I think pretty much everyone agrees on that. yes Kerr was is a better manager and I dont think we would have lost under him on Saturday but that would have simply been a case of kidding ourselves.

The whole of Irish football needs some serious re-thining and re-organisation before the national team and get better. But before all that starts, I think we need to appoint John Aldridge to the job as manager. Realistically he is the best we can afford and who is interested in the job.

[galwayhoop]

Kenny Dalglish? Why don't we get John Barnes in as well while we're at it.

it was the same stupid set up - experienced manager appointed upstairs and so-called apprentice at the helm (feel free to replace apprentice with 'lamb to the slaughter').

this system may work in italian, german, spanish club set-ups but not in these parts.

ONE MAN - ONE JOB!!!!!

[chappie]

Get mick mccarthy back...

[DonegalDub]

Get mick mccarthy back...

I know O'Brien and Dunne were bad, but this is going to the extreme!!!!!!:D

[Dallasirish]

We need a a new manager not an international consultant ---- More Fai ****** to avoid one person being accountable!

Bring in one MANAGER just one! When i say MANAGER i mean MANAGER not a player who might make a good mananger but a manager a Fookin manager who has been a manager before and has managed ---- no more ****E!

[cavan_fan]

I'm not sure I have ever read a statement that made me angrier than this.

From bbc.co.uk
The Football Association of Ireland has said that Steve Staunton's position is not under threat, even if the team lose against the Czech Republic.
Staunton has faced heavy criticism following Saturday's 5-2 defeat by Cyprus but FAI president David Blood has backed the under-pressure manager.
When asked whether a heavy defeat to the Czech Republic would alter matters, Blood replied: "No. Positively no.
"They (the management team) have to be given the time and the opportunity."
The FAI president added: "We are certainly not considering any change of our tactics at this particular time."
What f*ing tactics would they be. Surely as a major organisation you shoudl have a strategy
The statistics are damning as far as Staunton is concerned, but he and FAI chief executive John Delaney, who recruited the 37-year-old, have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by the association.
"There has been a lot of speculation in relation to our manager and our chief executive, and I want to allay fears their positions are under threat," asserted Blood.
Fears, Christ alive whose fears are they. I can only imagine he means within the Delaney and Staunton household
"On the contrary, they are consolidating their positions."
What the hell does this mean, is Staunton taking out rivals to his position a la The Godfather
In particular with regard to Staunton, Blood added: "Why would we look at it at this stage?
Because he's just lost 5-2 to Cyprus. This is not a good result.
"We've asked him in on a long-term basis to see if he would be prepared to take the team on and qualify us for a World Cup. It's a rebuild situation.
This is news to us. Never on his appointement were we told that we were in a rebuild situation. Why are we rebuilding anyway. The only retirements we have had of late are Keane and Cunningham
"Stan (Staunton) has done a tremendous job for us over many years
He has as a player, this is irrelevant to his current role
, and he has a back-up team that are highly supportive and skilled.
They may well be supportinve but thats irrelevant too. Does anyone think Kevin McDonald and Alan Kelly are highly skilled?
"It has been slightly unfortunate with the injuries and (Sir) Bobby Robson not being available to him, but I feel we have the stamina to last this particular test.
Yes its a real shock that a 70-year old with heart probelms is not availabale. What the f*k is stamina got to do with this. We're not asking Stan to run around Ireland.
"We have given Stephen an opportunity to come in and he has taken our situation forward to the degree we now have a highly professional backroom staff.
This takes the biscuit. What an insult to Brian Kerr that this guy sees the situation as having come forward. What highly professional backroom staff is this. Mick Byrne, the team mascot ?

[eirebhoy]

I really can't understand this thing about rebuilding either. imo Kerr had a rebuilding job. This was mainly done after the Euro 2004 campaign and before the WC campaign. He replaced Breen, Kelly, Harte (for a year or so anyway), Holland, Kinsella and a few others like Kiely, Healy, etc. He also stopped playing Duff up front and Kilbane on the left. He brought in the likes of A.Reid, Miller, Quinn, Kenny, Lee, McGeady, Elliott, Douglas, Doyle and anyone who was available to bring through.

Kerr left with a decent young squad and there was very little rebuilding to be done. He stuck with McCarthy's men for the Euro 2004 campaign and only needed a few months to then build his own team. You don't need 2-3 years to build a team.

[Stuttgart88]

As someone else said, Staunton only had the retirements of Keane, Cunningham & Holland to contend with.

The whole building for the future excuse is rubbish. In my opinion Staunton is right when he adds younger players to make up places 18-22 in the squad if he thinks they'll benefit from the experience. But the reality is that up until the current exceptional situation no youngsters are being trusted with first team action. Alan O'Brien's cameo in Stuttgart & Stephen Ireland's ill advised selection beside Kilbane are the only valid examples of Staunton picking youth.

And if he wanted to build a team around youth he could easily have entered a US Cup or Kirin Cup type event, resting all the established players, no?

[The Bit O'Red]

Choices......

1. Big Sam? Apparenlty was close to signing for Sunderland so maybe he wants away from the Reebok.
2. Alan Curbishley - did more than admirable job at Charlton and the part-time set up might suit him if he still wants a break.
3. Kenny Daglish, bit of a legend but doubt he'd be interested.
4. Lawrie Sanchez, has transformed one sh1t irish team so why not the other? 9and he used to manage The Bit O'Red!!!)

Any other thoughts?

[tricky_colour]

George Bush?

[theworm2345]

No one, unfortunately :mad:
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fbleur2008irlcze&prov=afp&type=lgns

Staunton's position not threatened after Cyprus mauling

AFP
October 10, 2006
DUBLIN (AFP) - Under-fire Ireland manager Steve Staunton's position is not under threat, his FAI employers said ahead of Wednesday's Euro 2008 qualifier against the Czech Republic.

Staunton faced heavy criticism following Saturday's 5-2 defeat to Cyprus in a Euro 2008 qualifier, with the suggestion the axe is to fall should a fifth successive loss follow against the Czechs.

But Football Association of Ireland president David Blood has insisted Staunton's job is not under threat - even if the team lose to the Czech Republic.

"There has been a lot of speculation in relation to our manager and our chief executive (John Delaney), and I want to allay fears their positions are under threat," Blood said Tuesday.

"On the contrary, they are consolidating their positions."

In particular with regard to Staunton, Blood added: "Why would we look at it at this stage?

"We've asked him in on a long-term basis to see if he would be prepared to take the team on and qualify us for a World Cup. It's a rebuild situation.

"We are certainly not considering any change of our tactics at this particular time.

"Stan (Staunton) has done a tremendous job for us over many years, and he has a back-up team that are highly supportive and skilled.

"It has been slightly unfortunate with the injuries and (Sir) Bobby Robson not being available to him, but I feel we have the stamina to last this particular test."

When asked whether a heavy defeat to the Czech Republic would alter the stance of the FAI, Blood replied: "No. Positively no.

"We have given Stephen an opportunity to come in and he has taken our situation forward to the degree we now have a highly professional backroom staff.

"They have to be given the time and the opportunity."

Staunton has performed a major u-turn and called Everton midfielder Lee Carsley into the squad for the qualifier with the Czech Republic.

Carsley has spent the last two and a half years in retirement after deciding to focus on club football and family at the time but recently contacted Staunton to say he wished to be considered for future international fixtures.

The 32-year-old was then initially overlooked when the squad was announced for the Euro 2008 qualifying double-header with Cyprus and the Czechs.

When fellow central midfielders Steven Reid and Graham Kavanagh then withdrew through injury prior to Saturday's 5-2 humiliation by the Cypriots, Carsley's return appeared a formality but it was only after that game that Staunton made the call-up.

[backstothewall]

1. Big Sam? Apparenlty was close to signing for Sunderland so maybe he wants away from the Reebok.

Ideal candidate, especially after the panorama nonsense it might suit him to be based outside England

[irishfan86]

I would love Big Sam but wouldn't it be a step down for him at this stage? He's done wonders for Bolton.

[citizenerased]

foock nolan we dont want another premadonna who has no interest in ireland, o'leary is a joker.....we should we have to go for someone familiar, there are loads of good managers on the continent that could beat us into shape eg reneghal

[McGinty]

Choices......

1. Big Sam? Apparenlty was close to signing for Sunderland so maybe he wants away from the Reebok.


good point about big sam, all these investigations into him and his son, and bolton, might pry him away from Bolton. And he has a fondness for Lierick city if i remember correctly :D

[Dallasirish]

Roy Keane or Martin O Neil --- its a pity the timing was not different! Need a manager that wants results now and will drop players if necessary. These two are winners and used to winning and those are thetype of people that we need.

[theworm2345]

Roy Keane or Martin O Neil --- its a pity the timing was not different! Need a manager that wants results now and will drop players if necessary. These two are winners and used to winning and those are thetype of people that we need.
Unfortunately, no way Roy Keane, he only just started at Sunderland, I wouldnt mind though, he would let Connolly in and Breen would come back

[billybunter]

while i would love to see aldo get the job, - if the commitment is there for a prove 'world class" manager, then i'd settle for jose pekerman (argentinian coach from this past world cup. man has class, humility, and most of all, - proven track record.

[Newryrep]

Personal opinion

1. Big Sam? Apparenlty was close to signing for Sunderland so maybe he wants away from the Reebok - no thanks
2. Alan Curbishley - did more than admirable job at Charlton and the part-time set up might suit him if he still wants a break - possible but mightened command players respect as he hasnt won anything
3. Kenny Daglish, bit of a legend but doubt he'd be interested. - no thanks
4. Lawrie Sanchez, has transformed one sh1t irish team so why not the other? 9and he used to manage The Bit O'Red!!!) - please God no

Prefer somebody from the continent myself

[DonegalDub]

Maybe we need some gruff b@stard to come in and shake the tree a bit.

Jack charlton maybe?:D :D :D

[DeNiro]

They're not going to go for an ex-international in whoever they appoint after Staunton. You can bet Troussier will be promoting himself again. It's really hard to call. I suspect they will go for a Steve Bruce / Bryan Robson candidate. I hope not but I reckon Delaney wants to see Robson involved in some way. Hiddink should have been got years ago.

[Dr. Ogba]

They're not going to go for an ex-international in whoever they appoint after Staunton. You can bet Troussier will be promoting himself again. It's really hard to call. I suspect they will go for a Steve Bruce / Bryan Robson candidate. I hope not but I reckon Delaney wants to see Robson involved in some way. Hiddink should have been got years ago.


Troussier's name has been bandied about for a while. Does anybody know of his credentials or who he's been managing recently? I'd be willing to give him a shot as he'd be coming in with a clean slate and again wouldn't have any previous loyalties with any of the players...

[cavan_fan]

For those looking for a continental manager i have 2 words, Berti Vogts.

At the risk of raising a debate about the Eircom Legue etc, I would say that over the next 5-10 years most of our players will be playing what is commonly called 'British' style football i.e. fast pace, little time on ball, less skill. In fact this seems to be the style in both Ireland and Britain. I struggle to see what Guus Hiddink would do to instill a different style of play in the players when he sees them for 20 days a year.

Let's go with what we have and appoint a manager who understands that type of play. I'd go for Allardyce or O'Leary.

[Dassa]

I know he has no Irish connections but what about someone like Warnock, least with his teams you get alot of heart and effort.
Also the FAI could never afford Hiddink I think he is now the highest paid international manager in the world.

[kingp35]

I know he has no Irish connections but what about someone like Warnock, least with his teams you get alot of heart and effort.



For the love of god no, anybody but Colin!!

[DeNiro]

I know he has no Irish connections but what about someone like Warnock, least with his teams you get alot of heart and effort.
Also the FAI could never afford Hiddink I think he is now the highest paid international manager in the world.

Yeh that's because Abramovich is funding it. We really lost out not getting Hiddink years ago. Look at his record, he even got Korea to a semi at WC 2002. Did well with PSV in the Champs League as well. Australia went out to eventual winners. He wouldn't be with Russia if there wasn't potential either. He doesn't want money, he's after success.

[endabob1]

I honestly think if we end up with a Robson or Bruce type character we will be going further backwards than we are under Stan.

[Newryrep]

For those looking for a continental manager i have 2 words, Berti Vogts.

Surprised the Vogts appointment didnt work out in Scotland. He can handle the pressure Euro 96 (in England) i think all his predecessors won either the world Cup or the European Championship. I would guess a lot more pressure than the England job - in a football sense.

Maybe he was used to working with more skillfull/talented players than Scotland had to offer. Are the SFA much richer than the FAI ?