Transfer Rumours 201X Season

[vinnie]

Dundalk wouldn't have had access to the European money at the start of the season as prizemoney is only paid out when the competition is finished, and I'd totally agree with Yossarian, get the infrastructure and facilities sorted for the long term first, then look after the rest, winning a league or two is no use if your team goes out of business a few years down the line, and I think we've had plenty of experience of that in recent times

[oriel]

Who exactly were we linked with where we "wouldn't spend the money required"? I hope you're not referring to the reported 100k for Dylan Connolly.
I agree that it is ludicrous for Irish clubs to throw money around for the sake of it. The vast majority of the money that was earned last season should be reinvested in the long term structure and security of the club. There's far too many examples of clubs throwing money around and then paying the price for the reckless spending.

Nope, club 100% correct not to pay the 110k actually that Bray wanted, no way was he worth anymore than 40k. I never suggested being reckless, better recruitment yes.

[Ezeikial]

Nope, club 100% correct not to pay the 110k actually that Bray wanted, no way was he worth anymore than 40k. I never suggested being reckless, better recruitment yes.

Wow!!

[micls]

40k??!!! And that's not reckless??

[sbgawa]

Dundalk wouldn't have had access to the European money at the start of the season as prizemoney is only paid out when the competition is finished, and I'd totally agree with Yossarian, get the infrastructure and facilities sorted for the long term first, then look after the rest, winning a league or two is no use if your team goes out of business a few years down the line, and I think we've had plenty of experience of that in recent times

I agree on not going mad on transfer money etc but Dundalk had access to the money from the moment they qualified for the group stages.
The fact that it was not coming until the following year is irrelevant, there are loads of companies / banks that would advance money against a known asset such as a debt to a blue chip company (UEFA). That's really just a technical point , I think they are right not to waste money (Connolly hasn't looked like a 100k man this year), stadium and training facilities first

[oriel]

40k??!!! And that's not reckless??

I didn't say I would have paid that, point remains he is not worth 'more than 40k' I would have done business on maybe 25-30 as long as he signed a 2 year deal, but that's history now.

Rumours tonight that Hoban has been talking to Dundalk but his wage demands are too high.

[patrickccfc]

Caulfield said tonight we are "almost there" with a striker...

[Nesta99]

I didn't say I would have paid that, point remains he is not worth 'more than 40k' I would have done business on maybe 25-30 as long as he signed a 2 year deal, but that's history now.

Rumours tonight that Hoban has been talking to Dundalk but his wage demands are too high.

Pity if he is talking himself out of a deal. He'd have CL football, be playing at a club where the fans love him, players and manager he knows, chance of winning a couple of medals in the cups, rebuild confidence and a reputation and who knows next season as no doubt SK will leave no rock unturned not to have Dundalk toe to toe with Cork. Clubs need to be frugle but at times when there is some wriggle room and a signing fits go with it. Performance related pay on a 2 year contract and earn the premium type wage. Sounds like an agent is seeing the $$ signs after the EL stint.

[El-Pietro]

We heard similar about Hoban last week, turned down a deal with us. No idea if we have gone back with a better offer.
40k for Connolly is hilarious, as is 20k and 10k... and 2k. Hes ****e.

[oriel]

Seems Hoban playing a Dutch auction then and going for the highest bidder, interesting to see how this pans out. I can't see him going back to England so he is obviously going through his best options in Ireland.

[Calcio Jack]

Mikey Drennan supposedly being looked at by Cork - any Cork fans able to confirm ?

[sbgawa]

Would be a good signing . Before his personal problems got on top of him he was playing some great football at rovers.

[Pablo Escobar]

Mikey Drennan supposedly being looked at by Cork - any Cork fans able to confirm ?
It was something we were looking at a while back. However, the presence of a former star at the cross last night has got me salivating.......please let it be him.......

[sbgawa]

Who????

[Charlie Darwin]

It was something we were looking at a while back. However, the presence of a former star at the cross last night has got me salivating.......please let it be him.......
Relax Pablo, Caulfield is at every game...

[nigel-harps1954]

Dave Mooney surely?

[patrickccfc]

Roy O'Donovan was there last night, he only joined Newcastle jets recently though

[nigel-harps1954]

Sean St Ledger to Cork??

[dundalkfc10]

Hoban a done deal to us according to word around the town.

Sadlier coming here and Mountany the other way also talk around Dundalk

[PartySaint]

In the Star yesterday that Garvan has signed for Pats. I hear he's looking for 'crazy money' so I have my doubts if he will sign for us

[El-Pietro]

Hoban a done deal to us according to word around the town.

Sadlier coming here and Mountany the other way also talk around Dundalk
Disappointing but not surprising if those are true.

Zayed posted on twitter that we are signing a centre half, Colin Falvey from his team in the US. From Cork, 32 years old, looks interesting from the highlights on youtube but those can be misleading. Definitely need more options there with Dunleavy out for the year and Alan Bennett being held together by chewing gum, toilet paper and sheer determination. Plus the yoga.

[Dalymountrower]

In the Star yesterday that Garvan has signed for Pats. I hear he's looking for 'crazy money' so I have my doubts if he will sign for us

Garvan's a good player but Pats need a centre half , two full backs and a captain who will drive/intimidate his own team mates as much as the opposition.

[PartySaint]

Garvan's a good player but Pats need a centre half , two full backs and a captain who will drive/intimidate his own team mates as much as the opposition.

You're not wrong

A defensive midfielder as well would be nice

[dundalkfc10]

Clifford rumoured to be leaving us with Bray interested, be ideal for Pats

[PartySaint]

Clifford rumoured to be leaving us with Bray interested, be ideal for Pats

Has he not done well with you guys?

[jinxy lilywhite]

Nope. Short back and sides.

[oriel]

Clifford rumoured to be leaving us with Bray interested, be ideal for Pats

Be ideal for Dundalk also if he left !

[Ezeikial]

Has he not done well with you guys?

Dundalk are under-performing this season and Clifford has not become a regular in the side. Says it all really

[Philosophizer]

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1159723/southampton-mulling-over-a-bid-for-shamrock-rovers-youngster-trevor-clarke/

[RathfarnhamHoop]

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1159723/southampton-mulling-over-a-bid-for-shamrock-rovers-youngster-trevor-clarke/

Why on earth did we only give him a one year contract? Get an extension on the table asap

[sbgawa]

Why on earth did we only give him a one year contract? Get an extension on the table asap


Surprised at you believing what the Sun prints, in fairness they always have a bit of the story but rarely all the facts.

We'll know if thats true when the transfer happens if it does

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Surprised at you believing what the Sun prints, in fairness they always have a bit of the story but rarely all the facts.

We'll know if thats true when the transfer happens if it does

Nah I don't believe the sun loads of other news places are saying expires at the end of this season too, I hope they're just quoting the sun and haven't checked

[Philosophizer]

Surprised at you believing what the Sun prints, in fairness they always have a bit of the story but rarely all the facts.

We'll know if thats true when the transfer happens if it does

The LOI coverage in the Irish Sun is usually quite well informed.

[ToberonaTornado]

Southampton Football Club have made a bid in the region of £1 million to sign Shamrock Rovers youngster Trevor Clarke, we understand.

http://readsouthampton.com/2017/06/21/exclusive-southampton-make-bid-sign-trevor-clarke/

[RathfarnhamHoop]

http://readsouthampton.com/2017/06/21/exclusive-southampton-make-bid-sign-trevor-clarke/

A million quid would do nicely thank you very much

[sbgawa]

Sounds to good to be true. Unusual for a loi club to get anything approaching what a player is worth. Having said that if clarke gets some game time in the UK he will be on the plane to Russia next summer.

[Dalymountrower]

Sounds to good to be true. Unusual for a loi club to get anything approaching what a player is worth. Having said that if clarke gets some game time in the UK he will be on the plane to Russia next summer.

Would be absolutely groundbreaking if true,About time good players here were properly valued.

[TonyD]

Would be absolutely groundbreaking if true,About time good players here were properly valued.

Find it hard to believe myself. English clubs know they don't have to spend anything near that amount of money here. Only way I could see it happening is if a real bidding war developed between two clubs. I think English clubs view signings from the league here as bargain basement stuff that they can afford to take a risk on, knowing that it doesn't cost much. They also know most clubs here are not in a position to turn down say 1-2 hundred grand.

[Nesta99]

Find it hard to believe myself. English clubs know they don't have to spend anything near that amount of money here. Only way I could see it happening is if a real bidding war developed between two clubs. I think English clubs view signings from the league here as bargain basement stuff that they can afford to take a risk on, knowing that it doesn't cost much. They also know most clubs here are not in a position to turn down say 1-2 grand.

Slight adjustment.

[Charlie Darwin]

By all accounts he's on a one-year deal. He's been here for two years, so if he leaves in the winter it's €120-150k. It's not really worth Rovers' while selling him four months early for that kind of money, but I imagine if they doubled it it'd be tempting. I'd love for us just to keep him as our on-field performance is worth the difference in cash, especially if he was the difference between winning a game in Europe or finishing in the top three.

[oriel]

Why would any team in England pay even a fraction of that now when they know they can get him for 'free' in October? He's under 23 so they would only have to pay the usual compensation amount.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Why would any team in England pay even a fraction of that now when they know they can get him for 'free' in October? He's under 23 so they would only have to pay the usual compensation amount.

Well I don't see 200k being out of the equation. If the 60k per year thing is accurate it's pretty much just an extra 80k to make sure he doesn't sign a new contract and nobody else comes in for him and for a Premier league club anything under a million is pocket money so I'd say they'd be more than happy to pay a bit more

[Nesta99]

By all accounts he's on a one-year deal. He's been here for two years, so if he leaves in the winter it's €120-150k. It's not really worth Rovers' while selling him four months early for that kind of money, but I imagine if they doubled it it'd be tempting. I'd love for us just to keep him as our on-field performance is worth the difference in cash, especially if he was the difference between winning a game in Europe or finishing in the top three.

Dont forget there is a loan to be repaid ;) 200K would be a good amount to get for a player considering the way players leave and full solidarity payments are squirmed out of. Clarke is a good player and a great prospect but without him Rovers should still get through a round in Europe, I may rue saying this but 2nd and 3rd will be beyond Rovers even with him; the cup is a better chance of Europe or one of the sides above win the cup and finish 4th. Either way 150k is well worth taking for the sake of 4 months. 2 maybe even 3 good players could be signed with a fee around that and while may not be the quality of Clarke would do a job.

[Charlie Darwin]

There is no "Rovers should get through a round in Europe" with or without Clarke. We lost to Rops last year and Stjarnan are a better side. Whether Clarke leaves now or in November, the compensation will be a decent chunk of the loan ahead of schedule.


For the record, Rovers will get 120-150 if he goes in the winter, depending on how it's calculated. It's whatever a team would hypothetically offer to bring that forward four months that is the issue.

[Nesta99]

Couple of links some might be interested to get a rough guidline of what a club would get for training compensation (2nd link). Solidarity payments are different as it involves a transfer fee rather than U23 and end of contract situation that our clubs seem to face most often. Our league is Category 2, 3 and 4 2016 (1st link). I dont think this was posted before anyways?!

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/78/94/69/circularno.1537-regulationsonthestatusandtransferofplayers-categorisationofclubsregistrationperiodsandeligibi lity_neutral.pdf

I whacked in a few different sets of details and former clubs and years etc. A Trevor Clarke like Training compensation, for example, as per the details on the Rovers website using this calculator was €95k for 2 years at Rovers and 1 at a schoolboy club prior to a move to Middlesborough in 2011. So 65k for 2 years at Rovers and 30k for Schoolboys club. It didnt include time at Middlesborough, not totally sure why but I had the signing to another Championship club so maybe it is to do with that. Im not trying to suggest that figures mentioned above are wrong or anything like that as while the calculator seems legit i may have details wrong and it is probably more a guide. Bit of fun if people want to see what they'd have cost to be trained and dreanmt about get signed for a top English club or something.

http://trainingcompensationcalculator.com/?utm_source=fieldoo_blog&utm_medium=trainingcompensationpart2&utm_campaign=upper_cta


Guide on how things are worked out.
http://blog.fieldoo.com/2014/05/the-calculation-of-training-compensation-in-football-part-1/
http://blog.fieldoo.com/2014/06/the-calculation-of-training-compensation-in-football-part-2/

[Nesta99]

There is no "Rovers should get through a round in Europe" with or without Clarke. We lost to Rops last year and Stjarnan are a better side. Whether Clarke leaves now or in November, the compensation will be a decent chunk of the loan ahead of schedule.


For the record, Rovers will get 120-150 if he goes in the winter, depending on how it's calculated. It's whatever a team would hypothetically offer to bring that forward four months that is the issue.

Its a back handed compliment in thinking that Rovers should get through their first round tie. I would think that Bradley and the team are thinking that they should progress and not arrogantly either. Last season was very different for Rovers as they were struggling at that point under Fenlon and confidence was at a low ebb. Fenlon wasnt that great as a manager imo certainly relative to the quality of teams and the resources that were available to him at the time. Yes there was the KR, Split, Deportivo fantastic run but there was also losing to Hibs Malta and the 9-0 hammering by Malmo when at Hibs and after Drogheda had run them close.

Apologies that the above is off topic i forgot which thread i was in.

[sbgawa]

Realistically a million seems mad but if a few teams are looking at him the 3 or 400 is posSible. When you look at past transfers that would represent good business.

[placid casual]

Big question is, how long is he under contract. If its until 2019 then 400-500k compensation is not beyond the bounds of possibility. If its Nov 17 then 120k tops I reckon.

[oriel]

The problem is, English clubs just don't pay that type of money to Irish clubs and probably never will. It was rumoured Dundalk turned down a 6 figure offer for Towell in the summer of the 2015 double winning season, probably valuing him far more important to stick around to secure the league and get through 2 rounds in Europe. Brighton then only had to wait for his contract to run down, he was over 23 so he didn't cost them a cent in Nov.

Also, any young Irish player who thinks he has a decent chance of a move will generally only sign a one year deal to make themselves more attractive for a move.

[Calcio Jack]

The problem is, English clubs just don't pay that type of money to Irish clubs and probably never will. It was rumoured Dundalk turned down a 6 figure offer for Towell in the summer of the 2015 double winning season, probably valuing him far more important to stick around to secure the league and get through 2 rounds in Europe. Brighton then only had to wait for his contract to run down, he was over 23 so he didn't cost them a cent in Nov.

Also, any young Irish player who thinks he has a decent chance of a move will generally only sign a one year deal to make themselves more attractive for a move.

He's under contract with us until Nov 2019- so if he's going soon we'll get a decent fee.