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legendz
27/08/2016, 8:41 AM
What is the leverage?
Threaten to form a breakaway competition?
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Surely every association must have an equal vote? 21 league champions were out after CLQ1 and CLQ2 this year. The 38 associations of league winners entering before CLQ3 should try and work together to bring a positive change in the favour.
It shouldn't be unrealistic for the FAI to work with similar associations to lobby for change. Doing nothing is like the A Championship clubs who lobbied for nothing and got nothing for their junior football mentality.
Within current structures, the Europa League should be limited to 2 teams from each country and league champions dropping out after each Champions League qualifying round.
Dodge
27/08/2016, 11:28 AM
Bless your little socialist heart legendz
You can't honestly believe that San Marino has the same 'vote' as Germany?
Never mind thinking that the FAI would lobby the rest to help LOI clubs
legendz
27/08/2016, 11:41 AM
Bless your little socialist heart legendz
You can't honestly believe that San Marino has the same 'vote' as Germany?
Never mind thinking that the FAI would lobby the rest to help LOI clubs
I know what your saying. Was it Scotland and Ireland that pushed for the euro's to be expanded to 24? It's non unrealistic for smaller nations to push for some change in their favour. The likelihood of the FAI doing so granted is remote.
UEFA were talking about the possibility of a third club competition. With changes imminent to the access list, it'll be a crucial time for lower ranked leagues to get some constructive change in their favour.
Lower ranked league champions entering the Europa League can happen without impacting on the higher ranked leagues. It could mean the 38 or so lower ranked leagues only having 2 EL spots to free up spaces for league champions in the qualifying rounds.
littlebray
28/08/2016, 2:05 AM
UEFA were talking about the possibility of a third club competition.
Resist, resist!
Bad and all as the Europa is, does anyone think TV will go for another - lower - competition?
The money will depend on the TV.
legendz
28/08/2016, 8:50 AM
Bad and all as the Europa
The Europa isn't a bad competition. It's mainly been the EPL who've been dismissive of it and it's influenced those here who watch the EPL. The Europa is popular enough on the continent.
Rewarding the EL winner a CL spot has been a constructive step. They should cut out CL third placed teams entering the Round of 32. Once you have teams in a group stage, the eventual winner should only come from those teams. Wenger and Villas-Boas have said in meetings with UEFA they have raised that issue.
Trainee
29/08/2016, 3:15 PM
I read on Facebook that Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign are planning a protest at the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. They are hopping to get people to waive Palestine flags inside & outside the ground which means Dundalk could be hit with a massive fine.
dundalkfc10
29/08/2016, 3:21 PM
I read on Facebook that Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign are planning a protest at the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. They are hopping to get people to waive Palestine flags inside & outside the ground which means Dundalk could be hit with a massive fine.
I can assure you, nobody with a Palestine flag will be allowed into Tallaght on that night! Straight from the clubs owners
pineapple stu
29/08/2016, 3:34 PM
Very, very hard to stop in fairness.
dundalkfc10
29/08/2016, 4:09 PM
Very, very hard to stop in fairness.
A good kicking is what anyone needs who brings one in!
Please God Maxi will be stopped bringing one in!
outspoken
29/08/2016, 4:14 PM
A good kicking is what anyone needs who brings one in!
Please God Maxi will be stopped bringing one in!
Greatness folks
White Horse
29/08/2016, 6:43 PM
Very, very hard to stop in fairness.
Indeed it's ver easy to stick a flag under a shirt and unfurl it at the game. I hope the club warns people that anyone caught with one of these flags will get a lifetime ban from Oriel Park. Not that a ban will bother attention seeking political nutters who are only at the game to goad Israelis.
Ashbohs
29/08/2016, 7:20 PM
Fines for this crap RE flags will be huge
sbgawa
29/08/2016, 8:32 PM
Indeed it's ver easy to stick a flag under a shirt and unfurl it at the game. I hope the club warns people that anyone caught with one of these flags will get a lifetime ban from Oriel Park. Not that a ban will bother attention seeking political nutters who are only at the game to goad Israelis.
Should be safe enough most of the political nutters don't like paying for anything including match tickets ��
Charlie Darwin
29/08/2016, 11:24 PM
Indeed it's ver easy to stick a flag under a shirt and unfurl it at the game. I hope the club warns people that anyone caught with one of these flags will get a lifetime ban from Oriel Park. Not that a ban will bother attention seeking political nutters who are only at the game to goad Israelis.
Yer man from Galway will be down. He seems like loads of craic.
El-Pietro
30/08/2016, 9:51 AM
Looks like this is the groupings for the UEFA Youth League Domestic Champions Path draw later. Ajax and Anderlecht the obvious big teams here, with Rosenborg not far behind but all of these clubs you would expect will have very good underage set ups.
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/General/02/40/03/98/2400398_UltraWide.jpg
pineapple stu
30/08/2016, 10:05 AM
What sort of money is involved in that? I presume it has to be enough to cover Cork's costs anyway - but that could easily be E100k a tie (so not far off real Europe prize money)
nigel-harps1954
30/08/2016, 10:25 AM
It's a really confusing system that UEFA Youth League. 32 teams in the Champions League have their youth teams in group stages. The other 32 teams are in a straight knockout. 8 teams from group stage progress and 8 teams from domestic winners progress and meet in the last 16 of the competition.
The reigning champions Chelsea can't even defend their title seeing as their senior team didn't make it into the CL.
The final is held in Nyon each year in a stadium that would be scoffed at by League of Ireland sides.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Stade-Colovray-aerial-2.jpg/800px-Stade-Colovray-aerial-2.jpg
White Horse
30/08/2016, 10:28 AM
Bit of a shambolic competition, to be honest. Smaller clubs giving out as it will cost them a lot of money to participate. Seems set up to benefit large clubs with large academies. There's a surprise.
nigel-harps1954
30/08/2016, 10:32 AM
Bit of a shambolic competition, to be honest. Smaller clubs giving out as it will cost them a lot of money to participate. Seems set up to benefit large clubs with large academies. There's a surprise.
That's probably why Dundalk let Legia win.
White Horse
30/08/2016, 10:38 AM
That's probably why Dundalk let Legia win.
Nah, not with seven million to spend ;)
El-Pietro
30/08/2016, 11:58 AM
Costs are covered by UEFA for travel and accommodation so not sure why smaller clubs would complain...
El-Pietro
30/08/2016, 12:09 PM
HJK Helsinki in the first round. Win that and its Roma or APOEL.
White Horse
30/08/2016, 12:10 PM
Costs are covered by UEFA for travel and accommodation so not sure why smaller clubs would complain...
There is a reimbursement cap on costs that will be covered. Clubs in peripheral areas of Europe with few direct flights are disadvantaged under this scheme.
JC_GUFC
30/08/2016, 12:12 PM
HJK lost 6-1 on aggregate to Celtic last season.
I'll be interested to see how City match up as they're clearly the best in Ireland by quite a bit this season.
White Horse
30/08/2016, 12:16 PM
HJK lost 6-1 on aggregate to Celtic last season.
I'll be interested to see how City match up as they're clearly the best in Ireland by quite a bit this season.
Hopefully, they'll do themselves justice. It is right and proper that the best team represents Ireland in these competitions.
El-Pietro
30/08/2016, 12:18 PM
No question our U19s are the best on the island. In the Cup final again this year, already wrapped up the southern division. This will be a good test.
No question our U19s are the best on the island. In the Cup final again this year, already wrapped up the southern division. This will be a good test.
They will be without Ellis and Donnellan wont they? Ogbene is very good tho he could impress
El-Pietro
30/08/2016, 1:10 PM
They will be without Ellis and Donnellan wont they? Ogbene is very good tho he could impress
Probably, I guess we might be able to recall them, but I don't know if we'd want to. Of course, the U19s have been without those two for some time now.
gufcfan
30/08/2016, 1:21 PM
Bit of a shambolic competition, to be honest.
The competition didn't even exist, then the NextGen series came along and made a good stab at it. UEFA of course threw a fit and made their own competition to kill off the growing NextGen series.
No surprise that it's halfassed since they were forced into doing it.
Great opportunity for City, and they're clearly the best equipped team in the country. Hopefully they'll gain some good experience.
If Dundalk had made the group phase I dread to think what would have happened to our youth team. They're pretty good by League of Ireland standards, but could have wound up in a group with some of the big guns who go around hoovering up the very best talent from around the world.
Acornvilla
30/08/2016, 1:42 PM
This podcast might be interest to some of you, 1st 15 mins covers Dundalk in Europe, Pats/Derrys statements vs the FAI, and a bit on JD in general. http://goo.gl/co2Ecf
vinnie
30/08/2016, 2:56 PM
I read on Facebook that Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign are planning a protest at the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. They are hopping to get people to waive Palestine flags inside & outside the ground which means Dundalk could be hit with a massive fine.
I overheard a supporter of a team other than Dundalk saying (in jest I hope) that they were buying a Dundalk jersey, going to the match, waving a Palastine flag in one hand with a Flare in the other, then invading the pitch.
I overheard a supporter of a team other than Dundalk saying (in jest I hope) that they were buying a Dundalk jersey, going to the match, waving a Palastine flag in one hand with a Flare in the other, then invading the pitch.
Ah good ol' Maxi, he never lost it!
ToberonaTornado
30/08/2016, 10:55 PM
Ah good ol' Maxi, he never lost it!
TBH with you it's not Maxi i'd be worried about on this one!There is a hardcore group connected to a set of Celtic supporters that i'd be more wary of atm.They seem intent on doing something at the Tel Aviv gme in Tallaght.
ToberonaTornado
30/08/2016, 10:57 PM
A hardcore group who have never attended a LOI match in their lives :(
CuanaD
07/09/2016, 2:49 PM
A hardcore group who have never attended a LOI match in their lives :(
'Hardcore' is the stuff they have between their ears
holidaysong
07/09/2016, 6:45 PM
Irish clubs will now enter the UCL qualifying at QR1 rather than QR2 according to a post on Bert's website (http://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum/view.php?topic=20160609185245.xml) - so 4 rounds to get to the group stages rather than 3. The national champions qualification route will now only have 4 rather than 5 qualifications spots. They just make it harder and harder...
UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2018/21 – ACCESS LIST FOR QUALIFICATION ROUNDS
CHAMPIONS PATH:
Preliminary Rounds (PR): 4 starters (52-55), two PR, for 1 place in CQ1
Starters 2018/19, at the moment: 52. Gibraltar, 53. Andorra, 54. San Marino, 55. Kosovo.
CQ1: 33 starters (18-51, without Liechtenstein) + 1 winner from PR = 34 teams
Starters 2018/19, at the moment: 18. Denmark, 19. Belarus, 20. Sweden, 21. Poland, 22. Norway, 23. Scotland, 24. Israel, 25. Azerbaidjan, 26. Cyprus, 27. Serbia, 28. Bulgaria, 29. Kazakhstan, 30. Slovenia, 31.Slovakia, 33. Hungary, 34. Moldova, 35..Iceland, 36. Finland, 37. Albania, 38. Bosnia, 39. Georgia, 40. Latvija, 41. Ireland, 42. Macedonia, 43. Estonia, 44. Montenegro, 45. Armenia, 46. Luxembourg, 47. Nothern Ireland, 48. Lithuania, 49. Malta, 50. Wales, 51. Faroe Islands
CQ2: 3 starters (15-17) + 17 winners from CQ1 = 20 teams
Starters 2018/19, at the moment: 15. Netherlands, 16. Romania, 17. Austria.
CQ3: 2 starters (13-14) + 10 winners from CQ2 = 12 teams
Starters 2018/19, at the moment: 13. Croatia, 14. Greece.
CQ4 (play off): 2 starters (11-12) + 6 winners from CQ3 = 8 teams
Starters 2018/19, at the moment: 11. Czech Republik, 12. Switzerland.
Yossarian
07/09/2016, 7:19 PM
Irish clubs will now enter the UCL qualifying at QR1 rather than QR2 according to a post on Bert's website (http://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum/view.php?topic=20160609185245.xml) - so 4 rounds to get to the group stages rather than 3. The national champions qualification route will now only have 4 rather than 5 qualifications spots. They just make it harder and harder...
With the bigger leagues getting more automatic spots this was always going to happen. It is disappointing for all of the smaller leagues around Europe as the Champions League becomes more of a closed shop. It really adds to the disappointment of not getting past Legia this season as that may well have been the last real chance of an Irish team getting to the CL groups, bar a decent draw for this seasons champions in next year's CL.
El-Pietro
07/09/2016, 7:47 PM
Coefficient to be calculated over 10 seasons instead of 5 based on a follow up post on that thread. Great news for Shamrock Rovers, not so much for anyone else. Maybe Pats and Sligo a bit?
White Horse
07/09/2016, 8:22 PM
Coefficient to be calculated over 10 seasons instead of 5 based on a follow up post on that thread. Great news for Shamrock Rovers, not so much for anyone else. Maybe Pats and Sligo a bit?
Won't be of any concern to Pats.
El-Pietro
07/09/2016, 8:35 PM
In 2018? This won't apply next season. Pats will be back in Europe in a season or two.
placid casual
07/09/2016, 8:49 PM
typical Rovers!
UEFA's so called model club...:couple_inlove:
sbgawa
07/09/2016, 9:03 PM
Sound move by UEFA Imo. :)
swinfordfc
08/09/2016, 2:02 PM
Lads,
Ireland co-efficient at the moment is 5.825 and we are in 41st placed. My questions is does anyone know for sure what co-efficient points would be added to this 5.825 by Dundalk if they get a draw in the Europa League or a win? I know it was 0.25 for a win and 0.125 for a draw up to this point (for any of our sides) but does it increase once you get into the group stages? Thanks.
holidaysong
08/09/2016, 5:46 PM
It would be 0.5 for a win and 0.25 for a draw towards the national coefficient in the EL group stages.
holidaysong
08/09/2016, 7:21 PM
Please see below update from Bert on that same thread. In fairness this would be a welcome addition. Those who drop out from UCL QR1 would get a second bite at the cherry in a 'Champion's Path' for Europa league qualification:
For UEL the access list has only entries for the group stage. The other details are left to the Club Competitions Committee. Except for one major point. Clearly indicated is a Champions Path and a League Path as two separate routes for UEL qualifying. The League Path has the usual 4 qualifying rounds, and the Champions Path has 3 qualifying rounds (Q2, Q3, and PO). This must imply that all champions who fail to qualify for the UCL get another chance in the UEL qualification.
swinfordfc
08/09/2016, 9:35 PM
It would be 0.5 for a win and 0.25 for a draw towards the national coefficient in the EL group stages.
Ok so its 2 point for a win (but divide by 4 as we had 4 teams taking part in europe) hence its 0.5! Thanks
Straightstory
09/09/2016, 9:49 AM
With the bigger leagues getting more automatic spots this was always going to happen. It is disappointing for all of the smaller leagues around Europe as the Champions League becomes more of a closed shop. It really adds to the disappointment of not getting past Legia this season as that may well have been the last real chance of an Irish team getting to the CL groups, bar a decent draw for this seasons champions in next year's CL.
Yes - we may never get as close again. On the plus side, there won't be any clubs from the major leagues in the final qualifying rounds.
But it's outrageous how a handful of clubs essentially rule football and bully and threaten UEFA, who always cave in to their demands. It's grotesquely unfair and wrong in every way.
El-Pietro
09/09/2016, 10:08 AM
Yes - we may never get as close again. On the plus side, there won't be any clubs from the major leagues in the final qualifying rounds.
But it's outrageous how a handful of clubs essentially rule football and bully and threaten UEFA, who always cave in to their demands. It's grotesquely unfair and wrong in every way.
There weren't any big clubs from the major leagues in any of the qualifying rounds. They have squeezed some automatic qualifiers from the mid ranked leagues into the playoffs though.
nigel-harps1954
09/09/2016, 1:01 PM
Yes - we may never get as close again. On the plus side, there won't be any clubs from the major leagues in the final qualifying rounds.
But it's outrageous how a handful of clubs essentially rule football and bully and threaten UEFA, who always cave in to their demands. It's grotesquely unfair and wrong in every way.
These clubs are richer than UEFA though. They have them bent over backwards.
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