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Dalymountrower
30/05/2016, 7:35 AM
Pats and Rovers are awful, Dundalk inferior to last season
.Cork , the only representative that can hope to progress beyond a round.
PartySaint
30/05/2016, 8:03 AM
Pats and Rovers are awful, Dundalk inferior to last season
.Cork , the only representative that can hope to progress beyond a round.
During our horror season under Jeff Kenna we managed to get through 2 rounds in Europe before losing to Steaua, maybe we can do the same again this season*
*I fully expect us to be smashed in the first round if we get anyone even half decent
Ezeikial
30/05/2016, 8:20 AM
Pats and Rovers are awful, Dundalk inferior to last season
.Cork , the only representative that can hope to progress beyond a round.
You might be right that Cork have the best chance of progress - it really depends on the luck of the draw.
Dundalk are not playing the same flowing football as consistently as last season (a title that was won at a canter, with 11 points to spare), but the league table evidence does not support your "inferior" statement:
After 14 games this season the league table shows 37 points with a goal difference of plus 28 (F - 35, A - 7) as opposed to 38 points last season with the same goal difference (F - 33, A - 5)
With O'Donnell, McEleney and Kilduff all returning from injury, I expect Dundalk to recover that single point deficit shortly
El-Pietro
30/05/2016, 8:22 AM
You might be right that Cork have the best chance of progress - it really depends on the luck of the draw.
Dundalk are not playing the same flowing football as consistently as last season (a title that was won at a canter, with 11 points to spare), but the league table evidence does not support your "inferior" statement:
After 14 games this season the league table shows 37 points with a goal difference of plus 28 (F - 35, A - 7) as opposed to 38 points last season with the same goal difference (F - 33, A - 5)
With O'Donnell, McEleney and Kilduff all returning from injury, I expect Dundalk to recover that single point deficit shortly
The draw will play a big role in how any teams do. Pats and Rovers are seeded in the Europa League so have to be considered favourites to progress. But who knows, this time last year who would have thought UCD would do what they did.
As an unseeded team we have a massive spread of possible opponents. We could draw AIK and get absolutely tonked, or draw Linfield and have a decent chance of progression.
gufcfan
30/05/2016, 5:11 PM
*I fully expect us to be smashed in the first round if we get anyone even half decent
The gormless "I don't know how we did that" face he had on him in the post-match interview was priceless.
placid casual
30/05/2016, 6:28 PM
Pats and Rovers are awful, Dundalk inferior to last season
.Cork , the only representative that can hope to progress beyond a round.
I'd expect Rovers & pats to go though the 1st round,based on the seeding.
Success for Cork will depend on their managers philosophy.
Dundalk , no matter who they play , will have to face considerably better oposition than they have had to face for the past 12 months so personally I don't fancy their chances.
Nothing for Baez fans to worry their head over anyway:p
D24Saint
30/05/2016, 6:52 PM
I'd expect Rovers & pats to go though the 1st round,based on the seeding.
We have been knocked out of the europa by unseeded teams the last two times, zalgiris lithuania in 2013 & skonto latvia in 2015.
gufcfan
30/05/2016, 6:53 PM
& skonto latvia in 2015.
That was painful to watch.
gufcfan
31/05/2016, 12:19 AM
what date is the draw ?
1st and 2nd round qualifying draw for both comps on Monday 20th June, with the first legs to be played the week after.
Ezeikial
31/05/2016, 8:22 AM
The first leg for Dundalk in the Champions League QR2 will be 12/13 July with the return leg the following week
D24Saint
31/05/2016, 8:45 AM
1st and 2nd round qualifying draw for both comps on Monday 20th June, with the first legs to be played the week after.
always found this a disgrace it shows how little UEFA understand about the smaller clubs in their competitions , making LOI clubs arrange travel a week in advance for thirty people on budget is a joke.
Ezeikial
31/05/2016, 1:57 PM
always found this a disgrace it shows how little UEFA understand about the smaller clubs in their competitions , making LOI clubs arrange travel a week in advance for thirty people on budget is a joke.
Perhaps UEFA regard the c €100k they give the clubs as making the "joke" easier to take?
Perhaps UEFA regard the c €100k they give the clubs as making the "joke" easier to take?
Do you really believe they care about clubs that don't make them money?
Ezeikial
31/05/2016, 3:51 PM
Do you really believe they care about clubs that don't make them money?
I think that your question is moot.
It would be far better for clubs if there was more time between draw and matches for all the obvious reasons. UEFA's position is that the prize-money handed out easily deals with the potential added travel cost for clubs.
It is the supporters who have to carry the extra costs themselves
Is there any good reason not to do the draws earlier though? Why not just make it easier for everyone if you can?
Is there any good reason not to do the draws earlier though? Why not just make it easier for everyone if you can?
Have to wait for all the European seasons to end. Still Greek league play offs for example.
Other than that, no real reason
They like to wait until all seasons are complete AND licencing is sorted out, but in my opinion they could still do the draw for the first round or two weeks earlier, even with the caveat that if Club A don't get a licence you'll be playing another club from that country instead.
PartySaint
01/06/2016, 8:50 AM
They like to wait until all seasons are complete AND licencing is sorted out, but in my opinion they could still do the draw for the first round or two weeks earlier, even with the caveat that if Club A don't get a licence you'll be playing another club from that country instead.
That's a mess as well tho, what happens if the club don't get a licence? you'll either have to wait and book all your flights and accom or then be in a rush to change them
Nesta99
01/06/2016, 4:25 PM
That's a mess as well tho, what happens if the club don't get a licence? you'll either have to wait and book all your flights and accom or then be in a rush to change them
That's it really, you would still only be making a provisional booking so there isnt that much benefit until the draw is finalised along with the home and away legs which can change after the draw.
legendz
07/06/2016, 6:37 PM
When Shamrock Rovers got to the Europa League play-offs in 2011, I thought we would see the LoI champions get to that stage at least about once every 3 years.
It's a bit harsh that the losers of CLQ2 are not afforded the opportunity to enter ELQ3. In my own humble opinion league champions should be guaranteed at least 2 rounds of European action. Anyways, it's up to the FAI and similar football associations to lobby UEFA for any such change.
I enjoyed the Cork City - Dundalk game the last night, hopefully both can make a decent impression in Europe.
bennocelt
09/06/2016, 8:48 PM
Seems there is some good news, TNC might be seeded yet!!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2016.html
http://www.footballseeding.com/european-cups/champions-league-seeding-16-17/
TheBoss
09/06/2016, 9:07 PM
Seems there is some good news, TNC might be seeded yet!!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2016.html
http://www.footballseeding.com/european-cups/champions-league-seeding-16-17/
Not sure who are TNC ;)
Yes, Skenderbeu were banned for match fixing. Not like an Albanian club to be involved in match fixing is it.
bennocelt
09/06/2016, 10:00 PM
Sorry TNS:D
Nesta99
10/06/2016, 12:03 AM
Seems there is some good news, TNC might be seeded yet!!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2016.html
http://www.footballseeding.com/european-cups/champions-league-seeding-16-17/
At this pint TNS deserve to be seeded for entirely selfless reasons and Dundalk fans would all agree. They have been on the fringes of being seeded for too long:p
The case still has to be considered by CAS but I doubt UEFA findings will be overturned. In general for match fixing a 1 season Europe ban isn't unreasonable considering past investigations. Anything to increase the odds of drawing a beatable side will do; The appointment of Brendan Rodgers adds Celtic to the list........
gufcfan
16/06/2016, 3:08 PM
The draws for the 1st and 2nd rounds in both competitions are being made on Monday.
The draws for the 1st and 2nd rounds in both competitions are being made on Monday.
This time last year they released the 'regional' groups on the Thursday. No sign today though, I guess they're a bit busy with the pesky Euros. Also I can't find any news of Skenderbeu's planned appeal to CAS, maybe they didn't waste their time in the end.
pineapple stu
16/06/2016, 4:18 PM
Wasn't that far ahead - think it was only on the morning of the draw. Certainly no earlier than the evening before.
Edit - well, the draw was on a Friday last year I think, not a Monday.
Wasn't that far ahead - think it was only on the morning of the draw. Certainly no earlier than the evening before.
Edit - well, the draw was on a Friday last year I think, not a Monday.
It was that far ahead, it wasn't the morning of the draw, it wasn't the evening before and the draw wasn't on Friday last year! ;) Otherwise an impeccable post pineapple :p
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2258732.html
pineapple stu
16/06/2016, 8:19 PM
Hm. Weird!
Looking back at the thread last year, I wonder was it just the Europa League groups that were revealed on the morning? That's how it is on the thread. And I certainly don't remember having four days looking at the group wondering who we'd get!
Or was it just that it wasn't posted here, and I wasn't looking anywhere else?
The draws were on the Monday morning. UEFA confirmed the regionalised seedings on the Sunday and the first we heard of it was when our clubs' representatives tweeted the info late on the Sunday night!
Hm. Weird!
Looking back at the thread last year, I wonder was it just the Europa League groups that were revealed on the morning? That's how it is on the thread. And I certainly don't remember having four days looking at the group wondering who we'd get!
Or was it just that it wasn't posted here, and I wasn't looking anywhere else?
Timestamp on that UEFA page suggests the Thursday but likewise I thought it was Sunday too. Maybe just a weird timestamp.
pineapple stu
17/06/2016, 7:57 AM
Partly redeemed! :p
El-Pietro
17/06/2016, 9:55 AM
Timestamp on that UEFA page suggests the Thursday but likewise I thought it was Sunday too. Maybe just a weird timestamp.
Is it possible that they updated that page with the groups afterwards?
I know we didnt know our 5 team list until Monday morning.
seand
17/06/2016, 12:11 PM
No excitement but a new article on uefa.com just confirming it'll be streamed online
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2378997.html#watch+champions+league+draws+m onday
bennocelt
17/06/2016, 6:43 PM
See Llandudno Town qualified, lived there for a year, now that would be a cracking away trip, not far from Bangor as well......fingers crossed, cool:)
gufcfan
18/06/2016, 8:11 PM
See Llandudno Town qualified, lived there for a year, now that would be a cracking away trip, not far from Bangor as well......fingers crossed, cool:)
Having been to Wales for work, I can't say I even remotely share that sentiment.
bennocelt
19/06/2016, 6:22 PM
I am seeing that Skenderbeu Korce might have won their appeal in the CAS, so might be included in the draw tomorrow......
Yossarian
19/06/2016, 6:52 PM
I am seeing that Skenderbeu Korce might have won their appeal in the CAS, so might be included in the draw tomorrow......
I think they have been allowed in the draw pending the appeal which is due to be heard at the beginning of July. Messes up the draw with them affecting the potential seeded teams and unfortunately for us it will rule out a possible draw with TNS.
It's not entirely clear how this is going to work, but looks like Skenderbeu will be in the draw today and seeded. I assume that if the UEFA suspension is upheld by CAS then Partizan Tirana will just take Skenderbeu's place in the CL (and their seeding) and the next club in line will take Partizan's place in the EL. Messy.
edit: one Google translated page seems to suggest that Skenderbeu's opponents in the draw would get a bye if their appeal is dismissed, and that Partizan have been told they will not participate in the Champions League. Maybe Skenderbeu-with-an-asterisk is the dream draw!
bennocelt
20/06/2016, 7:40 AM
yeah thats what i was thinking
Just abuot 2 hours to the draw and no groupings announced for Champions League of Europa League. Indeed you can't even find a list of qualified clubs on the UEFA website! (I can't anyway)
Yossarian
20/06/2016, 8:07 AM
Just abuot 2 hours to the draw and no groupings announced for Champions League of Europa League. Indeed you can't even find a list of qualified clubs on the UEFA website! (I can't anyway)
I've been trawling through the UEFA website all morning and no sign of anything. Bring back Infantino, at least he had the draw running in some kind of order!
Yossarian
20/06/2016, 8:58 AM
Tough group for Dundalk.
Celtic, Bate, Red Star Belgrade, Copenhagen, Rosenberg and FH.
You'd want FH out of those.
Red Star would be a great draw, they'll be preseason and they've done feck all in Europe recently.
FH would be good.
Copenhagen a nightmare draw but a nice trip.
Celtic would be a nice handy trip and a few bob, but even in preseason they'd surely be too strong.
Rosenborg aren't half the team they were but would still be strong favourites. Bit of a pain in the arse to get to.
Avoid BATE for the love of god.....
bennocelt
20/06/2016, 9:19 AM
Tough group for Dundalk.
Celtic, Bate, Red Star Belgrade, Copenhagen, Rosenberg and FH.
You'd want FH out of those.
has to be that team from Iceland
bennocelt
20/06/2016, 9:22 AM
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/news/newsid=2379000.html#watch+europa+league+draws+mond ay
Group 1
Seeded: Stabæk (NOR), Hearts (SCO), Linfield (NIR), Ventspils (LVA), Midtjylland (DEN)
Unseeded: Víkingur (FRO), Sūduva (LTU), Cork City (IRL), Infonet (EST), Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL)
Group 2
Seeded: IFK Göteborg (SWE), HJK Helsinki (FIN), KR Reykjavík (ISL), Saint Patrick's (IRL), Levadia Tallinn (EST)
Unseeded: Jeunesse Esch (LUX), HB Tórshavn (FRO), Glenavon (NIR), Atlantas (LTU), Llandudno (WAL)
Group 3
Seeded: Aberdeen (SCO), Brøndby (DEN), Dinamo Minsk (BLR), Nõmme Kalju (EST), Shamrock Rovers (IRL)
Unseeded: Trakai (LTU), RoPS Rovaniemi (FIN), Spartaks Jūrmala (LVA), Valur Reykjavík (ISL), Fola Esch (LUX)
patrickccfc
20/06/2016, 9:22 AM
Linfield please
bennocelt
20/06/2016, 9:23 AM
Hoping for Linefield/Ventspils for Cork
LLandudno for Pats
and Fola Esch for Rovers :o
D24Saint
20/06/2016, 9:23 AM
I'm happy with our pot I reckon it gives us a half decent chance.
As Jeunesse Esch (Lux)
HB Torshavn (FRO)
Glenavon (NIR)
FK Atlantus (Lith)
Llandudno Town (W
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