League of Ireland in Europe 2016

[outspoken]

It's only half time in this game Charlie, way too early to say I told you so :)
From the LOI, only Dundalk could give FH a game and I said it would be 50/50, it still is but I expect FH to shade it.
Unlike some others here, I won't use my wild imagination to figure out what actually happened at Oriel pk and attempt to make knowledgeable sounding statements about teams like FH and what transpired at the game.
That would define the essence of conceit.

Just how does anyone tolerate that idiot of a co-commentator on Dundalk fm, to say he knows nothing would be a complement, absolute nonsense is his speciality and he delivers it non-stop.

Dundalk FM is great craic

[jinxy lilywhite]

Don't know how to judge that match. Dundalk were poor so many lads had off nights but were the better side.

Horgan, Massey, Boyle, Gannon, O'Donnell, Finn all guilty of indecision

I thought we would of seen more from FH. I think they are shaky at the back and their keeper is weak under crosses.

I think we will score over there. It's not over by a long shot
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[Ezeikial]

A strangely dissatisfying match.

Agree with Jinxy that so many Dundalk players were well below normal standard. It is doubly frustrating that it was clear that they were still the better team on the night and should have taken a lead into the 2nd leg. FH deserve credit for how they closed down Dundalk, especially in the 2nd half.

The tie is far from done and the 2nd leg has the potential to be a fascinating tie. FH will face a dilemma in how to approach the game, while Dundalk are well capable of winning away - I just hope the sloppy goal conceded does not come back to haunt

[Ezeikial]

Same old failings, lads work their socks off for the whole game, and one players sloppiness punishes the whole team. Until this kinda stuff is eradicated there will never be consistent progression. The odd good result here and there and that's it.

WTF prompted you to write this BS?


Ya but these teams are always happy to just sit back away from home and then go for it and win it in the second leg at home.

You can never really judge these teams on the away first leg.

Nevertheless, you seem to have made loads of judgements

[paul_oshea]

I listened to the match and paid heed to the commentators and thats what I gleaned. They were the ones saying it was a sloppy mistake a careless goal to give away. It seems like Dundalk played well enough without creating many clear cut chances.

No judgements just going on experience of how these teams operate away from home first. Always seems a completely different proposition in the return home leg. I am not saying anything outlandish or way off the mark here.

[paul_oshea]

An individual mistake from Paddy Barrett*

[jinxy lilywhite]

From my pov Paul it was a litany or errors starting with horgan not clearing then Masseys clearance not making touch then o donnell and Barrett dithering over a clearance and lennon popping it in the back of the net.

Criminal goal to give away at that level.

I'd a feeling we all knew it was going to happen

[paul_oshea]

Jinxy, I'd always take the opinio of someone at the game than someone listening to, or watching on tv. That's fair enough, the lads on DunDaaaaaaawwwwwwlk Fm made out it was more an individual mistake. I like Kenny, I think he deserves his break, he has been there or there abouts for years, some great performances like PSG, BATE, IFK etc. He was upbeat this morning.

TOD was saying that the game had a potential 1.2mil riding on it, was that total money if they got through this tie, and then had the next round, and/or dropping to Europa, or needing to win the next round? He also I thought wrongly stated group stages prematurely by winning the next one.

[Real ale Madrid]

Jinxy, I'd always take the opinio of someone at the game than someone listening to, or watching on tv. That's fair enough, the lads on DunDaaaaaaawwwwwwlk Fm made out it was more an individual mistake. I like Kenny, I think he deserves his break, he has been there or there abouts for years, some great performances like PSG, BATE, IFK etc. He was upbeat this morning.

TOD was saying that the game had a potential 1.2mil riding on it, was that total money if they got through this tie, and then had the next round, and/or dropping to Europa, or needing to win the next round? He also I thought wrongly stated group stages prematurely by winning the next one.

1.2m minimum if they beat FH and lose the next two rounds.
If they beat FH and win the 3rd qualfying round, they are guaranteed a place in the Europa League group stages, as 4th Q round losers get an automatic spot in the Europa League proper

[paul_oshea]

Cheers the 1.2 mil I was unsure of, but is that to lose in CL 3rd round and then lose in Europa league play-off round? What if the progression to the final round of the CL, how much is that worth? Its probably better not to question these things at this stage..:)

Ya I am aware of the stages, and losers in the 3rd I think go into the last round, "A total of 44 teams are expected to play in the play-off round: the 29 winners of the third qualifying round, and the 15 losers of the 2016–17 UEFA Champions League third qualifying round."

But Tony didn't put it like that, or maybe I picked him up wrong. I think he meant Europa Group stages but said it like the CL Group stages.

[PartySaint]

Could be another 5-0 defeat in Europe for Pats tonight.

[Nesta99]

That game reminded me a bit of the Derry 1-1 game in Oriel early season, tentative looking but obviously a better team just not playing well, waiting for things to 'click'. That early season feeling of being a good side but just not putting it together for 90 minutes. Chances missed and then punished by a clanger, caused by a few players - miss-kick, players getting in each others way, some of the uncertainty evident v Longford that was hoped to be a one off. I think FH themselves gave us a plenty of respect with spoiling tactics and time wasting from early on, for a team said to be comfortable on the ball or "elegant". If we had been in top form I believe this tie would be just about done. Their defense looked like they had a clanger in them also, especially their No. 20. If they dont have that much more in them for their home leg, and we play anything near last years away leg performance we we should be going through. Their dilemma on whether to sit deep and hit on the break defending the away goal could actually suit us as especially if they are anyway as cagey we were. It's important but there was almost a total obsession on not conceding the away goal rather than just going out and treating the game as much like a domestic game as possible. The crowd was quite flat too with the edginess all over the ground. I may well rue saying this after the away leg but on what was on offer last night from FH, Cork are a better side too.

I realised last night why I prefer standing areas at games with the ability to move to another spot - I had the really irritating experience of being sat just in front of a individual who must have been randomly picking things to say out of the 'things to shout at football matches for dummies' reference book (and with that faux english like twang) " bury ih (sic)" about a 1000 times even when in our own half, "ah get up for it" when the ball was on the deck, "get rid of it" practically every single time a Dundalk player was on the ball, "ah let him know you're there over and over....then there was the shout for handball at a throw in...for Dundalk, no exaggeration!! He didnt seem to be that beered up or anything, just genuinely not a chap that must go to too many games or even watch a match on TV one thing for sure is that he was like a human tannoy and directly in to my earhole. One guy asked him to pipe down probably out of sympathy. As for people standing in seated areas, if you are at the rear of the seating area, or where everyone stands like in the shed ok, but when in the front few rows to keep standing and stay standing with repeated requests by people behind to sit down or move is just ignorant. I got my ticket quite late so was in among the few stragglers like myself and then a lot of people who wouldn't be in Oriel that often i'd say but I wont be slow aagain in getting my ticket. I bought a stand season ticket this year for the first time rather than the ground so maybe I'm just getting to that age.....

[Nesta99]

Cheers the 1.2 mil I was unsure of, but is that to lose in CL 3rd round and then lose in Europa league play-off round? What if the progression to the final round of the CL, how much is that worth? Its probably better not to question these things at this stage..:)

Ya I am aware of the stages, and losers in the 3rd I think go into the last round, "A total of 44 teams are expected to play in the play-off round: the 29 winners of the third qualifying round, and the 15 losers of the 2016–17 UEFA Champions League third qualifying round."

But Tony didn't put it like that, or maybe I picked him up wrong. I think he meant Europa Group stages but said it like the CL Group stages.



First Qualifying Round: €200,000
Second Qualifying Round: €300,000
Third Qualifying Round: €400,000
Play-offs Eliminated: €3,000,000
Play-offs Winners: €2,000,000
Base fee for group stage: €12,000,000
Group match victory: €1,500,000
Group match draw: €500,000
Round of 16: €5,500,000
Quarter-finals: €6,000,000
Semi-finals: €7,000,000
Losing finalist: €10,500,000
Winning the Final: €15,000,000

Going out in Q3 and dropping to EL then


Play-off round elimination: €230,000
Base fee for group stage: €2,400,000
Group match victory: €360,000
Group match draw: €120,000
Group winners: €500,000
Group runners-up: €250,000
Round of 32: €500,000
Round of 16: €750,000
Quarter-finals: €1,000,000
Semi-finals: €1,500,000
Losing finalist: €3,500,000
Winners: €6,500,000


Looking at the EL figures there again and with the prize money on offer you can see why English clubs in particular treat it like the League Cup and are only bothered at last 4 or 8 point. 3.5million fr an EPL club that goes out at round of 32 is small change considering the transfer fees paid with wages to get in to top 5. In particular for a club with the revenue than can be generated by a Manchester United - might just cover the cleaners bill at Old Trafford.

[brendy_éire]

Could be another 5-0 defeat in Europe for Pats tonight.

Would worry about that myself. Decent standard over there. We lost 5-1 away to Shakhtyor Soligorsk couple of years ago, was very comfortable for them.

[pineapple stu]

Any joy with a stream for this?

[ybig]

Any joy with a stream for this?

Good stream here

http://videostream.dn.ua/videopage/videoPage.php?g=Njk0MTk%E2%84%96f&c=es&i=eWlxY3Rib2N1Yg%E2%84%96f%E2%84%96f

[pineapple stu]

Not sure I've ever seen someone get so much space on the edge of the box before.

Though it does at least confirm that the stream is about ten seconds behind futbol24's updates - which is handy for knowing when to flick over at least.

[pateen]

Ahhh ... poor marking for the first. 1:0 now

Minsk are no world beaters

[Charlie Darwin]

That's a shame for Pats - they'd looked very comfortable until then. Minsk look pretty ordinary though.

[MeathDrog]

Good stream here

http://videostream.dn.ua/videopage/videoPage.php?g=Njk0MTk%E2%84%96f&c=es&i=eWlxY3Rib2N1Yg%E2%84%96f%E2%84%96f
Not working for me unfortunately.

Found one that works thanks.

[MeathDrog]

There isn't a massive gulf in quality here.

Really is key for Pats to get an away goal.

[paul_oshea]

What time did this start? 4.30?

An away draw would be a great result.

Are they in pre-season? Because they've reached the group stages twice before I think, so you'd expect a gulf in class, hopefully its not one Pats rue.

[kksaints]

What time did this start? 4.30?

An away draw would be a great result.

Are they in pre-season? Because they've reached the group stages twice before I think, so you'd expect a gulf in class, hopefully its not one Pats rue.

Nope Minsk are mid season.

[MeathDrog]

That commentator never stops talking!

[pineapple stu]

Not working for me unfortunately.

Found one that works thanks.
You've to click on "Dinamo v Pat's" on the right to start it.

Moot if you've found a working one anyway.

[MeathDrog]

What a strike. 1-1

[paul_oshea]

Can you explain a bit more for those of us in work and unable to watch/listen

[pineapple stu]

Well, 'e hit the ball, and it flew into the back of the net.

1-1.

[bennocelt]

That commentator never stops talking!

exactly

was just thinking it would be funny if it was another 1-1 draw, first three games on uefa site were score draws, and then they score, good goal

[pineapple stu]

Almost an exact replica of Minsk's finish, only much better as he was actually being closed down.

[MeathDrog]

Can you explain a bit more for those of us in work and unable to watch/listen
Pats won a knockdown on the left hand side, cut towards goal and it was laid off to Fagan who curled it top corner from 20 yards.

[bennocelt]

that number 18, and his long range efforts.....:o

[paul_oshea]

Pats have more possession and much more free kicks according to Flashscore, shots and shots and goal though they are well down.

[MeathDrog]

Pats have more possession and much more free kicks according to Flashscore, shots and shots and goal though they are well down.
Minsk on top and have threatened since the goal but at the same time it's not a siege of any kind. Yet.

[Johnnie C]

Live commentary of BK Hacken v Cork City now on Cork's 96FM.

[bennocelt]

Jesus that sub for Pats, the young fella, gave the ball away three times and pulled out of a tackle....

[MeathDrog]

1-1 FT. Cracking result that.

[bennocelt]

well done Pats, they should definitely do the business next week.....

[nigel-harps1954]

Excellent result for Pats, regardless of how good or bad Minsk are. It's in their own hands next week.

Any idea how Pats and Dundalks draws affect the co-efficient?

[pineapple stu]

Bert Kassies' site has updated after last night anyway, and is always very quick to update after the final match has been played on any given night.

Live position is 45th now, 0.05 behind 42nd - but lots of games still in play and yet to start of course.

[paul_oshea]

Cork have had 3 goal attempts. none on target though.

[Dodge]

Any idea how Pats and Dundalks draws affect the co-efficient?

We've earned 1 point so far for the national score. That gives us 4.950

Club ranks in running

Pats 3.99
Dundalk 3.49
Sligo 2.99
Rovers 2.74
Derry 1.99
Cork 1.74
UCD 1.49
Bohs 1.24
Drogs 1.24
the rest 0.99

[Fester]

Great result today for the Saints, I was worried we could get a whopping! So well done.

[TheBoss]

Good result for Pats, at least they have given themselves a chance of progression despite the negative vibe most people (including myself!) had about them. The fact that Dinamo are seeded for tomorrow's draw means Pats may get a decent draw (for 3rd Qualifying round standards) if they can finish it off next week.

[L.T.F.C.]

Great BK Hacken stream. Commentator throwing in a nice bit of English too!

[pineapple stu]

Is that the eight quid one?

[L.T.F.C.]

I'd say so! The stream has a BK Hacken crest in the corner. Decent quality.

[pineapple stu]

Linky?

[kksaints]

Excellent result for us. Was worried after we conceded that we could get destroyed but we got the vital away goal. Big match next week now

[Charlie Darwin]

Great result today for the Saints, I was worried we could get a whopping! So well done.
Well it was a whopping good result so I suppose you were kind of right.