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Encouraging at least that Legia aren't in blistering form. One win, one loss and three draws from their 5 league games.
On the other hand will Dundalk be able to match the level they hit in the last 60 minutes against BATE is a big question.
GCdfc
15/08/2016, 11:33 AM
The key thing is to keep it tight and compete. We are looking at maybe 20k+ non-LOI spectators that need to be impressed enough with the standard of football on show to decide to take in some live LOI matches.
Philosophizer
15/08/2016, 12:44 PM
Just hope Dundalk don't bottle it now and go 2-0 down early on. Could be their equivalent of Rovers' RDS debut.
Bottle it?? Sorry, stu but if they do go a couple of goals down early on it won't be because they bottled it. Bottling is what happens when you're the better team who's supposed to win but you don't because you can't handle the expectancy/pressure.
This isn't aimed at you at all stu, but I'm getting the impression that a lot of the wider public (mainly ppl who don't follow LOI) are getting really carried with Dundalk's chances of progression. Don't get me wrong, I hope to God they get a result. I'll be there in the South stand lower roaring them on whatever happens on Wed, but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. It's an enormous ask to beat another team over 2 legs who will have more quality and experience.
Even if they play the game of their lives (again) there's every chance they could lose, especially if Finn and McEleney aren't fully recovered. It would be a sickener though because it will just give more fuel to the barstoolers that LOI isn't worth their time.
I think it's the duty of us LOI folks to temper expectation amongst the crowd on Wed. A lot of ppl who show up may never have seen a LOI side before and will be expecting Dundalk to be at the level they usually see on TV.
jinxy lilywhite
15/08/2016, 1:01 PM
Exactly we could replay the bate game another 9 times and possible 8 of those BATE would come out on top or the 1st leg ad we'd of lost by 2 or more.
One of the key reasons we won the tie was that bate showed us no respect in the 2nd leg. They thought the job was done and when they needed to up it they couldn't as we were on a roll.
The key is preparation to give is the best opportunity. I believe the king will provide that and ensure we keep mistakes to a minimum and importantly that when Legia make a mistake or a lapse in concentration that we are able to capitalize.
Clean sheet for me is key. Need to avoid conceding the away goal even more so than scoring
paul_oshea
15/08/2016, 1:13 PM
Is Gartland going to be back in time for the second leg?
Ya those last two posts make sense, everything conspired for Dundalk over both legs, but especially the goal just before half time and the subsequent second half, its fair to say that its an even bigger task. But all you can hope for regardless of the overall result, is that they give a good account of themselves, and hold their own in the home leg and therefore keeping the tie alive going to the second game. I think its most more important that those who go to watch the game, don't see a trouncing, whatever happens in the second leg. Out of sight more out of mind and all that.
pineapple stu
15/08/2016, 1:14 PM
Bottle it?? Sorry, stu but if they do go a couple of goals down early on it won't be because they bottled it. Bottling is what happens when you're the better team who's supposed to win but you don't because you can't handle the expectancy/pressure.
Legia are big favourites for sure. But I think it's arguably fair to say that Dundalk would be bottling it if they let the occasion get to them and as a result went 2-0 down within ten minutes. I think there's a big difference between that and a big performance where they end up losing 2-0.
Philosophizer
15/08/2016, 2:03 PM
I think it's arguably fair to say that Dundalk would be bottling it if they let the occasion get to them and as a result went 2-0 down within ten minutes. I think there's a big difference between that and a big performance where they end up losing 2-0.
It all comes down to each person's own definition of "bottle" I suppose. I expect Legia will be on top for most of the match, just like BATE were in Belarus and in the 1st half in Dublin, so if Dundalk are a couple of goals down early on I think it's more likely to be that they will have been opened up by higher quality players rather than them getting stage-fright. But the stage-fright is also a possibility I guess.
Anyway, back my main point, I just know there will be some Sky Sports heads in the Aviva whining, criticising and scoffing every time a Dundalk player misplaces a pass or makes a mistake (which certainly will happen at some stage). There was a few of them near me in Tallaght. We should try to persuade these types to get behind the players and offer encouragement even if Dundalk are not playing well. It would be really terrible if newly-acquired Dundalk supporters gave up on the team if they have a poor opening half an hour and go a couple of goals down.
ToberonaTornado
15/08/2016, 2:08 PM
Is Gartland going to be back in time for the second leg?
........
good news
Big boost for Dundalk ahead of Wednesday's game with Legia Warsaw with manager Stephen Kenny declaring Brian Gartland fit and ready to play
https://twitter.com/jamesdundalk/status/765166254604840960
Yossarian
15/08/2016, 2:41 PM
We are looking at maybe 20k+ non-LOI spectators that need to be impressed enough with the standard of football on show to decide to take in some live LOI matches.
I honestly couldn't care less how we play if we manage to get into the CL group stages. This game isn't about entertaining the non LoI fans it's about beating Legia.
I'd like to build up some sort new support along the way as it would help the club in the future. For the people who normally sit on the barstools it would require a decent performance.
Philosophizer
15/08/2016, 2:55 PM
Yossarian is right. Wed is about getting a result. And besides, success is the best way of attracting supporters anyway. Always has been, always will be.
If Dundalk get battered for 180 mins and manage to scrape over the line they'll gain many more new supporters than they would in defeat, no matter how well they played.
paul_oshea
15/08/2016, 3:00 PM
Your first point, didn't really work for Ireland under trap in the first few years when he was doing a half decent job playing terrible boring football. People went away in their droves.
Your second point is correct, but even that can only last so long before people get bored of that too. All that matters for Dundalk is to get through, and for a lot of people who will be going on Wednesday. But there is a sizeable amount who will want entertainment too - thats not a concern of Dundalks - and will be put off by a lack of it.
Yossarian
15/08/2016, 3:17 PM
I'd like to build up some sort new support along the way as it would help the club in the future. For the people who normally sit on the barstools it would require a decent performance.
Success builds support and the best way to do that is to win this tie.
nigel-harps1954
15/08/2016, 3:45 PM
9 seats available on Ticketmaster between four blocks 501, 502, 510, and 514.
EDIT: Block 516 gone on sale.
Success builds support and the best way to do that is to win this tie.
So why is the attendance at Oriel down? Apart from the u-12's who got free season tickets last year.
Yossarian
15/08/2016, 4:16 PM
So why is the attendance at Oriel down? Apart from the u-12's who got free season tickets last year.
I think there is a degree of complacency with regard to our home attendances. Some people seem to think that we would win the league easily this season. I agree with your point that attractive football may entice some new fans but if we don't go through there won't be any significant increase in our support. However if we manage to get into the group stages of the CL then the event junkies of the Irish sporting public will come out to watch us but only in the CL games.
I disagree with your other point that we need to impress non LoI fans with a certain type of performance. I think winning this tie should be enough of an impression for us to make.
Acornvilla
15/08/2016, 4:33 PM
Managed to talk 3 others in to coming along to the match with me, looking forward to this, did not expect a crowd of this magnitude either.
MeathDrog
15/08/2016, 4:58 PM
Got a few of the last seats going in block 502. This could be very near a sellout.
I'm bringing a non LOI fan and his mate too.
Philosophizer
15/08/2016, 5:04 PM
Same here. Bringing a non LOI fan and might even convince one or two others before Wed.
paykanti
15/08/2016, 5:54 PM
I'm buzzing now. After initially thinking these Polish lot would do it comfortably after the draw, their current form and lack of goals in the side really do fill me with serious hope. Their entire goal-scoring threat is basically centred around their Hungarian striker Nikolics who isn't particularly fast or anything other than a bit of a poacher (he's bagged 4 in 4 so far and he's got a hell of a record in his career, mind) . It's on.
pineapple stu
15/08/2016, 6:03 PM
Has to be acknowledged Legia will be seriously up for this match; it's 20 years since a Polish side reached the Champions' League group stages, and they'll know they've got the easiest possible draw here. So very unlikely they'll take Dundalk at all lightly.
Got my tickets today for section 516, high up and behind the goal. Can't be many tickets left at this stage. Same to say I don't think many saw this coming.
refjohn
15/08/2016, 6:31 PM
Just tried and can't get a pair of tickets - offered a single one at back of 501
Looks like ticketmaster are acting the b0llocks about it. I doubt that all the upper tier is sold out.
Just tried and can't get a pair of tickets - offered a single one at back of 501
Only 32 tickets on it. But quite a few pair behind the South end goals.
Was 1 seat in 516 there. Should have bought ages ago but had a bit of a family crisis (over now) distracting me.
redarmyfaction
15/08/2016, 8:18 PM
They bet Dundalk 3/1 Draw 9/4 Legia 1/1
That evens is highly tempting.
Ezeikial
15/08/2016, 9:07 PM
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13932927_1238445462886300_5463114569518155543_n.jp g?oh=933d6455f2d8ab08f2a8b0b4b8bf8615&oe=581BD01E
ToberonaTornado
15/08/2016, 9:45 PM
They bet Dundalk 3/1 Draw 9/4 Legia 1/1
That evens is highly tempting.
Odds are exactly the same as they were for v BATE match in Tallaght.
Posted by Dundalk FC on Facebook last night.
More tickets available on ticketmaster tomorrow, plus from Oriel Park. Also, tickets will be available on Wednesday night outside the stadium. #GreenArmyNeeded #BeThere
pineapple stu
16/08/2016, 9:16 AM
Dave McMillan (http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2017/matches/round=2000782/match=2019265/prematch/preview/index.html?rss=2395683+***McMillan+the+architect+o f+Legia%27s+downfall?) interview on UEFA.com
Ezeikial
16/08/2016, 12:31 PM
This Brexit article has a funny conclusion
Who cares about Brexit: Dundalk is flying in Europe
The Irish Examiner story by Kyran Fitzgerald paints a bright picture of Dundalk and it's one we should all pay attention to.
Mr Fitzgerald finishes by saying:
“Dundalk FC, with which the Malone family has been involved for generations, has shown the way. The area’s hardened businesspeople, too, seem to be up for the fight.”
Of course we are up for a fight.
We are in Europe, thanks to Stephen Kenny - not Enda Kenny - and all the squad at Dundalk FC and we'll be there for some time yet and the financiers can worry all they like.
We're in the money. Dundalk FC has restored a lot of pride.
We will never return to the bad old days. We'll have Brexit for breakfast.
C'mon the Town!
http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/home/213399/who-cares-about-brexit-dundalk-is-flying-in-europe.html#.V7LkjmuRZYA.twitter
Ezeikial
16/08/2016, 12:31 PM
http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/resizer/750/563/true/GN4_DAT_7217001.jpg--.jpg
That article reads like it was written by a drunk lad down the pub who isn't really clear what point he's trying to make.
According to Mark McCadden on twitter 24000 tickets sold as of earlier today: https://twitter.com/markmccadden/status/765537056865001473
He is at Dundalk press conference.
I'd be disappointed with 24k at this stage but then again Ticketmaster seem to be doing everything possible not to sell tickets.
nigel-harps1954
16/08/2016, 2:16 PM
Jesus that's miles away from the 38k reported a few days ago.
It'd be hugely disappointing if it doesn't reach 30k at least.
The club never officially mentioned ticket sale figures. Even from the press conference today the club haven't posted it online yet. I wonder if Mark McCadden got the question answered officially.
Philosophizer
16/08/2016, 2:45 PM
Wasn't there 24k at Shels Vs Deportivo back in the day.
Maybe a figure between 24-30k isn't so terrible...
pateen
16/08/2016, 3:07 PM
20K I thought
The club never officially mentioned ticket sale figures. Even from the press conference today the club haven't posted it online yet. I wonder if Mark McCadden got the question answered officially.
The question was put to Darren who was at the top table with Stephen Kenny and Stephen O'Donnell. He passed question to Colm who was sitting behind the journalists. He replied 24,00 as of this morning. That's official enough for me!
MeathDrog
16/08/2016, 3:21 PM
I'd be disappointed with 24k at this stage but then again Ticketmaster seem to be doing everything possible not to sell tickets.
I'll be annoyed if there's only 25k or so at it and I had no option but to buy tickets in the corner of the nosebleeds in the upper East stand.
Jofspring
16/08/2016, 4:41 PM
If they can get to 35k it will be a great crowd.
I think it's a disgrace if the crowd isn't at least <some arbitrary number I pulled out of my ass> but it would be magnificent if the crowd were higher than <some other arbitrary number I pulled out of my ass>.
More seriously, ticket master should be taken out and shot.
More seriously, ticket master should be taken out and shot.
I think we will all agree on that. Shocking that there have been so many hours since Friday when no tickets were available.
Philosophizer
16/08/2016, 5:01 PM
Shocking that there have been so many hours since Friday when no tickets were available.
What's happening? There have been random periods when no tickets were available?
I did a random check this eve and could get 3 tx in the Upper west stand in the corner.
What's happening? There have been random periods when no tickets were available?
I did a random check this eve and could get 3 tx in the Upper west stand in the corner.
Sometimes it was for hours at a time. Very few available on Saturday and Sunday. Yesterday was better but there was still times without tickets available. Earlier today there were periods without tickets available too. Tonight seems to be better. It looks like they have released another 4 or 5 blocks and they appear to be selling quite well. The upper tier is around to the west side block 522 right now.
redarmyfaction
16/08/2016, 7:49 PM
Odds are exactly the same as they were for v BATE match in Tallaght.
Apples and oranges, BATE had only played 3 low intensity CLQ games when they took Dundalk for granted at Tallaght, while Legia are well into their domestic campaign and will not take Dundalk for granted and will have watched the videos and unlike BATE have never had CLG before and Dundalk have to raise it to those very best again and not lose concentration for one second over ninety minutes and Dundalk look to have tired legs since Tallaght plus just because Dundalk won at carpet the last time that it was priced right because in my mind it wasn't, and this time it isn't but even more so.
I make Legia 4/7 the danger is they might come to get a score draw, and then turn it on in the Army Stadium, but if that is not the plan then Legia -1 11/4 is the bet.
Not trying to rain on Dundalk's parade, I have backed against our own mob when the price demanded it, and was glad to lose when we didn't and slightly consoled when we did.
Lim till i die
16/08/2016, 7:49 PM
25000 disappointing?
That's more or less the same as what will have passed through the turnstiles at the Markets Field by the end of the season.
Now consider that First Division Champions League Cup Finalists 2016 Limerick FC are the classiest, most entertaining side to ever play the game in this country.
A bit of perspective lads please. :good:
Philosophizer
16/08/2016, 8:06 PM
Apples and oranges, BATE had only played 3 low intensity CLQ games when they took Dundalk for granted at Tallaght, while Legia are well into their domestic campaign and will not take Dundalk for granted and will have watched the videos and unlike BATE have never had CLG before and Dundalk have to raise it to those very best again and not lose concentration for one second over ninety minutes and Dundalk look to have tired legs since Tallaght plus just because Dundalk won at carpet the last time that it was priced right because in my mind it wasn't, and this time it isn't but even more so.
Jesus dude, ever heard of a full stop? 😉
25000 disappointing?
That's more or less the same as what will have passed through the turnstiles at the Markets Field by the end of the season.
Now consider that First Division Champions League Cup Finalists 2016 Limerick FC are the classiest, most entertaining side to ever play the game in this country.
A bit of perspective lads please. :good:
Yes disappointing because of Ticketmasters shenanigans. 24k sold by today....how many gave up because ticketmaster said there were no tickets available?
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