Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[tetsujin1979]

Was wondering if he was related to John Aloisi, turns out they're brothers

[ontheotherhand]

Can we afford Vinny Perth?

[LurcherLover]

Muscat is the worst candidate I've heard yet, well below Lennon and Bruce.

[weldoninhio]

Yep - and looking at last night's crowd, the financials aren't going to get any better any time soon...

46k tickets sold for last night. The FAI still get the money no matter who doesn't turn up. Was bundled with another game afaik.

[Diggs246]

ruud van nistelrooy
Any objections to him?

[pineapple stu]

46k tickets sold for last night. The FAI still get the money no matter who doesn't turn up. Was bundled with another game afaik.
It was bundled with Greece alright. Still, season tickets are up for renewal now - there were 23k this year, so half of the 46k sales, and you'd imagine uptake will be less now. Especially as we only have friendlies until September, and the Nations League could give us something as exciting as Czech Republic, Iceland and Kazakhstan (or of course England, Norway and Greece)

[LurcherLover]

It was bundled with Greece alright. Still, season tickets are up for renewal now - there were 23k this year, so half of the 46k sales, and you'd imagine uptake will be less now. Especially as we only have friendlies until September, and the Nations League could give us something as exciting as Czech Republic, Iceland and Kazakhstan (or of course England, Norway and Greece)23k last year and at the start of the month there were 21k sold already so can't see the uptake being less and if it is, it will be marginal.

[pineapple stu]

That's impressive in fairness!

[shakermaker1982]

We need to steer well clear of the likes of Lennon, Bruce, Benitez and Allardyce.

Roy Keane would generate some buzz (a tick for the FAI) but we know it would all end in tears so not worth the hassle.

The FAI have lots of time so they need to get this right. Let’s look beyond the Irish & UK markets as well.

Kenny & Andrews should have been kicked out of the door 2 years ago. Completely out of their depth from the very beginning. Ken Early and Co have a lot to answer for.

[Jd2793]

must have missed ken early getting on the FAI board

[Diggs246]

We need to steer well clear of the likes of Lennon, Bruce, Benitez and Allardyce.

Roy Keane would generate some buzz (a tick for the FAI) but we know it would all end in tears so not worth the hassle.

The FAI have lots of time so they need to get this right. Let’s look beyond the Irish & UK markets as well.

Kenny & Andrews should have been kicked out of the door 2 years ago. Completely out of their depth from the very beginning. Ken Early and Co have a lot to answer for.

100% the media including ken early have disgraced themselves. I actually this Dan McDonnell ( indo) was worse.

Also can we please sack Hill? Hasn't moved to Ireland, no sponcer. Has lost 500k because they didn't draw it down!! and now 6.5 million state funds are been withheld

What's not to like

[pineapple stu]

100% the media including ken early have disgraced themselves. I actually this Dan McDonnell ( indo) was worse.

Also can we please sack Hill? Hasn't moved to Ireland, no sponcer. Has lost 500k because they didn't draw it down!! and now 6.5 million state funds are been withheld

What's not to like
The Hill thing is interesting. Worth spinning out into its own thread I think!

[SkStu]

ruud van nistelrooy
Any objections to him?

I'm not a huge fan of equine looking managers.

[pineapple stu]

So that's a "neigh" from you, is it?

[SkStu]

Well, we just got rid of a donkey so I suppose a horse would be an improvement of sorts. :)

[seanfhear]

ruud van nistelrooy
Any objections to him?
Might be able to teach Ferguson a thing or two !

Van Nistelrooy still had a very good career after a very serious injury ~ ~ It's always interesting to think how good he could have been if that injury had not taken a good bit of his pace away !

[JR89]

He's out of our league. Did a good job with PSV and he'll find himself a good job in time.

[legendz]

The Hill thing is interesting. Worth spinning out into its own thread I think!
Possibly! The timing of the Kenny announcement and the withholding of funding smacks of Delaney like smokescreen. So much for a new FAI.

[JR89]

Possibly! The timing of the Kenny announcement and the withholding of funding smacks of Delaney like smokescreen. So much for a new FAI.

Probably have more important things to talk about next week given they've an EGM December 2nd, AGM December 9th, and think they're up in front of the Oireachtas Committee again soon.

[EalingGreen]

From Miguel Delaney's weekly newsletter today (my bold):

Ireland may have to get creative in manager search

There was once a point when the Irish national team job was quite an attractive one, principally because it was one of the better-paying ones relative to international football. Not so any more. The word is already that Ireland are going to have to be creative in replacing Stephen Kenny. Lee Carsley, the coach virtually everyone in the football structure wants to appoint, isn’t currently keen and would like to see out the England under-21 job in view of what might be next. Damien Duff, a home favourite, doesn’t yet want it and it is probably too early in his career. A lot of the usual names have been mentioned, such as Steve Bruce and Sam Allardyce, but the insistence remains that Ireland will seek a young progressive profile. The argument is that, just because Kenny didn’t work out, it didn’t mean the idea was wrong. The market may well test the strength of that stance. They may have to get creative.

[samhaydenjr]

Muscat is the worst candidate I've heard yet, well below Lennon and Bruce.

Mind if I ask why? I know I was being a little tongue-in-cheek mentioning him simply on the basis that his managerial career seems to be mirroring Ange Postecoglu's, and that there has been no mention of him at all as a potential option... but if he put his hat in the ring, would he not merit serious consideration?

Or do you know something about him that would make him a particularly poor choice?

[joey B]

Neil Lennon throwing his hat into the ring on Premier Sports this afternoon…..,

[Eirambler]

Surely there's no scenario in which we hire that absolute chancer...

[Jolly Red Giant]

Surely there's no scenario in which we hire that absolute chancer...
It's the FAI remember - they might be seduced by his record in Scotland while Rangers were kick out of the SPL.

[Jolly Red Giant]

but the insistence remains that Ireland will seek a young progressive profile. The argument is that, just because Kenny didn’t work out, it didn’t mean the idea was wrong.
But here is the problem with this approach - get a young coach (no problem with that) - he turns out to be very good - and half way through a qualifying campaign he gets offered €5m a year to manager a PL club (or Championship club - Rooney is reputed to be on £5m a year at Birmingham).

[Eirambler]

It's the FAI remember - they might be seduced by his record in Scotland while Rangers were kick out of the SPL.

I would hope he's ruled out on character grounds alone, even before his extremely questionable managerial record comes into it.


But here is the problem with this approach - get a young coach (no problem with that) - he turns out to be very good - and half way through a qualifying campaign he gets offered €5m a year to manager a PL club (or Championship club - Rooney is reputed to be on £5m a year at Birmingham).

I think this is true but is also just something we have to live with. Better that than hire a duffer that nobody else wants (no pun intended). Basically what we should be doing is doing a Brighton on it and having a succession plan in place for that eventually. Obviously Brighton had de Zerbi picked out in advance for when Potter left and you can be sure they already have a few options lined up in case de Zerbi gets poached. (Wouldn't be surprised if Kieran McKenna is one of them).

[seanfhear]

But here is the problem with this approach - get a young coach (no problem with that) - he turns out to be very good - and half way through a qualifying campaign he gets offered €5m a year to manager a PL club (or Championship club - Rooney is reputed to be on £5m a year at Birmingham).
What about Rooney after ~ If / when ~ He gets sacked by Birmingham ? !

[JR89]

But here is the problem with this approach - get a young coach (no problem with that) - he turns out to be very good - and half way through a qualifying campaign he gets offered €5m a year to manager a PL club (or Championship club - Rooney is reputed to be on £5m a year at Birmingham).

That's the joys of hiring good coaches. If someone is offering our manager a lot of money mid contract then that means he must be doing a very good job with us. Which in turn means he's leaving us in a much much better position than he found us in. So makes the job more attractive when trying to replace said manager.

As Eirambler said if the FAI, or more so Canham is worth the money we pay for him then he'll surely have succession plans in place for such situations. A break in case of emergency plan even that might only mean a caretaker for half a campaign.

If Carsley gets the job I don't think the FA will let him bring any of his staff with him. FAI should try and have some input into helping him find a number two and try get someone they feel could be a caretaker option in case we're managerless mid campaign.

If Mark Warburton is still jobless by the time we appoint a new manager he's someone the FAI should look at as a coach. While he left West Ham because he wanted a more senior role he also talked about falling out with Moyes on footballing matters. If Carsley gets the job they've both worked together at Brentford so would assume they both have similar ideas on how football should be played. Might make another role in coaching attractive if his views and ideas on how things should be done lined up with the managers footballing philosophies.

[seanfhear]

Too soon for Séamus Coleman I suppose !

[Eirambler]

Wouldn't rule out seeing Coleman joining the backroom staff of the next man within a couple of years.

[JR89]

FAI should be looking at getting Coleman involved at any age group asap. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes into some form of coaching this summer with Everton. Even if it was player/coach.

His best days might be behind him but if he wasn't injured he'd still be first choice RB with Everton. Not a bad backup option to have if he feels up to still playing.

[CraftyToePoke]

Too soon for Séamus Coleman I suppose !

Was looking at a long list of suspects for the job the other day and you can have a punt on Vera Pauw but not Se Coleman at the moment. Now, not saying he should get it, but I would actually have him oversee the next campaign & see how he fared, ahead of some of the washed up managerial dross on the short list to be honest with you.

[seanfhear]

Was looking a long list of suspects for the job the other day and you can have a punt on Vera Pauw but not Se Coleman at the moment. Now, not saying he should get it, but I would actually have him oversee the next campaign & see how he fared, ahead of some of the washed up managerial dross on the short list to be honest with you.
Agreed.

[samhaydenjr]

But here is the problem with this approach - get a young coach (no problem with that) - he turns out to be very good - and half way through a qualifying campaign he gets offered €5m a year to manager a PL club (or Championship club - Rooney is reputed to be on £5m a year at Birmingham).


What about Rooney after ~ If / when ~ He gets sacked by Birmingham ? !

Five million!!!??? That's ridiculous!!! Definitely not for us, even if he was at our price range - there's nothing in his record so far to indicate he's what we want - first season at Derby: moved a big-spending team from last to scraping past relegation. Second season: in administration, sure, and got a lot of praise for coming close to avoiding relegation, but if you take away the points deduction, Derby would have finished in seventeenth. Took over at DC United and finished last in the Eastern Conference.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Five million!!!??? That's ridiculous!!! Definitely not for us, even if he was at our price range - there's nothing in his record so far to indicate he's what we want - first season at Derby: moved a big-spending team from last to scraping past relegation. Second season: in administration, sure, and got a lot of praise for coming close to avoiding relegation, but if you take away the points deduction, Derby would have finished in seventeenth. Took over at DC United and finished last in the Eastern Conference.
Also - most of the work at Derby was done by Liam Rosenior

[Jolly Red Giant]

That's the joys of hiring good coaches. If someone is offering our manager a lot of money mid contract then that means he must be doing a very good job with us. Which in turn means he's leaving us in a much much better position than he found us in. So makes the job more attractive when trying to replace said manager.
Very valid point.



If Mark Warburton is still jobless by the time we appoint a new manager he's someone the FAI should look at as a coach. While he left West Ham because he wanted a more senior role he also talked about falling out with Moyes on footballing matters. If Carsley gets the job they've both worked together at Brentford so would assume they both have similar ideas on how football should be played. Might make another role in coaching attractive if his views and ideas on how things should be done lined up with the managers footballing philosophies.
Couldn't see that happening - I think Warburton would want to be the gaffer.

[Razors left peg]

Betting suspended on Paddy Power this evening.

[elatedscum]

probably just another marketing spin by PP.

[Razors left peg]

probably just another marketing spin by PP.

Possibly, but worth noting all the same.

[elatedscum]

Possibly, but worth noting all the same.

definitely

[Razors left peg]

Looks like Carsleys odds have shortened considerably in other outlets. Don't really pay much attention to the bookies cos I think it's all manipulated, but it is interesting that betting has been suspended.

If there was going to be a usual process of interviewing different candidates I wouldn't expect this much activity so soon, personally I think it looks like a deal has already been sorted. Especially with all the backroom staff being let go last week too. Might be an interesting few days ahead

[seanfhear]

probably just another marketing spin by PP.
Could you have bet that Paddy Power would have, suspended betting at certain stages ? !

[NeverFeltBetter]

Looks to me that you can still place bets on this through PP? Carsley can be backed at 2/1 at time of writing, Roy Keane 9/4, Hughton 10/1.

[Diggs246]

Looks to me that you can still place bets on this through PP? Carsley can be backed at 2/1 at time of writing, Roy Keane 9/4, Hughton 10/1.

Thankfully Neil Lennon is drifting out

[JR89]

Very valid point.


Couldn't see that happening - I think Warburton would want to be the gaffer.

Possibly, but think Warburton needs to be more realistic about his job prospects in today's game.

[CraftyToePoke]

Looks to me that you can still place bets on this through PP? Carsley can be backed at 2/1 at time of writing, Roy Keane 9/4, Hughton 10/1.

PP suspended it last night, far as I know. Game on again today with a shorter short odds field, for the moment anyway.

[tetsujin1979]

PP suspended it last night, far as I know. Game on again today with a shorter short odds field, for the moment anyway.Yeah, I checked it after 12 and all options were locked for next ireland manager
open again today

[JR89]

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Imagine subsidising the managers wages and you still get Steve Bruce. The man that was recently doing an interviewing saying he'll take any job in football.

[seanfhear]

1729801448051912714

Imagine subsidising the managers wages and you still get Steve Bruce. The man that was recently doing an interviewing saying he'll take any job in football. This would be comedy stuff alright ! ! !

[Diggs246]

This is South American stuff

big difference between Denis O brien giving funds with no say in hiring ( as i understood it)

This is suggesting the guy will only pony up if its his choice of Bruce