Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[EalingGreen]

They’re like a newer Scotland.

That's even more disrespectful! Comparing them to the Jocks, indeed :eek:

[third policeman]

They’re like a newer Scotland.

Or a Nova Scotia

[nigel-harps1954]

If we're resorting to looking at managers at this level the current Newport County manager is Irish and seems to be doing a decent job there. I don't see what Hudson has got going for him that Graham Coughlan doesn't?

Working at a decent level perhaps? What respect does a League Two manager command from top level players?

[SkStu]

Or a Nova Scotia

Haha very good!

[Stuttgart88]

David Moyes?

[Olé Olé]

David Moyes?

Denis O'Brien, can you hear me?

[liamoo11]

Keiran mckenna when he got Ipswich job seemed a massive gamble was basically a youth team coach and then a coach associated with what at the time seemed like poor man utd management regimes

[NeverFeltBetter]

David Moyes?

Somewhat connectedly, looks like Erik Ten Hag's about to be unemployed too. But I've never seen any indication that either would fancy international football, let alone with Ireland.

[CraftyToePoke]

Keiran mckenna when he got Ipswich job seemed a massive gamble was basically a youth team coach and then a coach associated with what at the time seemed like poor man utd management regimes

The new QPR head coach / manager as well. No playing CV. Had managed provincial clubs in Spain, Denmark & Norway, then the Hammarby job in the Swedish league, bigger job but not exactly huge or financially unattainable. Onto QPR who were six points adrift of safety on his arrival, comfortably stayed up & showed play off form since soon after he arrived. Hammered Leeds 4.0 the other night to seal it & wrote off Leeds automatic hopes. These guys are out there, and I mistakenly believed we were looking for one, and mistakenly believed we had a guy capable of locating one also.

[Stuttgart88]

Somewhat connectedly, looks like Erik Ten Hag's about to be unemployed too. But I've never seen any indication that either would fancy international football, let alone with Ireland.

SSN were reporting yesterday that Bayern have made contact with Ten Hag's agent. hard to believe but still...

Moyes is end of career so might not fancy a meaningful drop down in club standard. Maybe international appeals? Might be a job going in Glasgow soon depending on how the next 2 weeks pan out!

[NeverFeltBetter]

Have to assume the Bayern links are a wind-up of some kind. Just looking at the injury catastrophe Ten Hag has overseen in terms of training/physio this season is enough to wonder what he's at in terms of top-level management.

I'll admit, I wouldn't be totally adverse to talking a gamble on someone like Moyes, but the money presumably isn't there.

[~YTM~]

I'll admit, I wouldn't be totally adverse to talking a gamble on someone like Moyes.

Only person really gambling in that situation is Moyes. Doubt he's that desperate he'll take the Ireland job. Think he'll put the feet up for a bit before taking the Scotland in 2026 unless Clarke leaves earlier.

Hull have sacked Liam Rosenior for some bizarre reason. Must assume there's been a falling out because he was doing a good job. He's more along our line of gettable managers and even then Championship clubs will be looking at him.

[elatedscum]

in more realistic terms, Liam Rosenior has been relieved of his duties at Hull

[Diggs246]

I think he would do a good job
Amazingly, I would again doubt we could get him. He's very young and will be snapped up by a championship team

[liamoo11]

The new QPR head coach / manager as well. No playing CV. Had managed provincial clubs in Spain, Denmark & Norway, then the Hammarby job in the Swedish league, bigger job but not exactly huge or financially unattainable. Onto QPR who were six points adrift of safety on his arrival, comfortably stayed up & showed play off form since soon after he arrived. Hammered Leeds 4.0 the other night to seal it & wrote off Leeds automatic hopes. These guys are out there, and I mistakenly believed we were looking for one, and mistakenly believed we had a guy capable of locating one also.

I think the problem for the fai is if they unveiled somebody like mckenna at the stage of career when he was at utd people would say they were just trying to save money and hadn't a clue. If it went well then like mckenna at Ipswich people would say Fai just got lucky.

[Razors left peg]

I think the problem for the fai is if they unveiled somebody like mckenna at the stage of career when he was at utd people would say they were just trying to save money and hadn't a clue. If it went well then like mckenna at Ipswich people would say Fai just got lucky.


Id fooking love it if we were being accused of getting lucky!!!

[seanfhear]

Id fooking love it if we were being accused of getting lucky!!!
Steady !

[Colbert Report]

I think the problem for the fai is if they unveiled somebody like mckenna at the stage of career when he was at utd people would say they were just trying to save money and hadn't a clue. If it went well then like mckenna at Ipswich people would say Fai just got lucky.

Ah yes, the FAI. A great bunch of lads who usually get things right and are unfairly criticized quite often.

[samhaydenjr]

After putting his Aberdeen nightmare behind him to lead Dundee United to the Scottish Championship title, would Jim Goodwin be worth a look?

[seanfhear]

After putting his Aberdeen nightmare behind him to lead Dundee United to the Scottish Championship title, would Jim Goodwin be worth a look?
Aberdeen are a bit of a Head-The-Ball club anyway ~ So anybody can be excused for having a nightmare there !

[Snapshot]

After putting his Aberdeen nightmare behind him to lead Dundee United to the Scottish Championship title, would Jim Goodwin be worth a look?
Why not? If a mediocre Championship player can bolster his international future with a few goals against the likes of Livingston, St Johnstone and Ross County why not apply the same leap of fantasy to a manager?

[ontheotherhand]

Why not? If a mediocre Championship player can bolster his international future with a few goals against the likes of Livingston, St Johnstone and Ross County why not apply the same leap of fantasy to a manager?

To be fair, any amount of bolstering is welcome at this point.

[samhaydenjr]

Why not? If a mediocre Championship player can bolster his international future with a few goals against the likes of Livingston, St Johnstone and Ross County why not apply the same leap of fantasy to a manager?

Japan and South Korea seem quite happy with their players getting a few goals against the likes of Livingston, St. Johnstone and Ross County

[nigel-harps1954]

Japan and South Korea seem quite happy with their players getting a few goals against the likes of Livingston, St. Johnstone and Ross County

Well, it's hardly comparable to UEFA qualifiers, considering the opposition for Japan and South Korea are the likes of Myanmar, Thaliand, Singapore and Syria.

[Stuttgart88]

On Goodwin, I think he needs a prolonged good spell in the SPL to properly re-establish his reputation.

I saw Ronny Deila in the stands at Celtic on Saturday. I wouldn't be averse to him. Curate's egg of a CV but still young enough and probably within budget. Thoughts?

My instinct is that a previously approached candidate will get the job though, after the Euros.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Has a decent win percentage throughout his management career, albeit a bit skewed by his time at Celtic when they were in the middle of that nine in a row and there was no one really capable of challenging them. European club form not especially impressive. He's OK, but doesn't ever seem to have had that really standout tenure where he did something really special, bar what he did with his earliest management roles in Norway, and that was a while ago now.

[backstothewall]

With the championship playoffs underway 3 of the 4 managers are likely to get the boot after a somewhat successful season

Carlos Corberán, Daniel Farke, David Wagner and Russell Martin. I don't know much about Martin or Corberán but I'd say Wagner or Farke would be good for for us if they became available.

[Eirambler]

Corberan would be too, but I doubt we could afford any of them. I'd pass on Martin (not that we could afford him either!). Incidentally Corberan is maybe an exception in that list as he has significantly overachieved to get West Brom into the playoffs and they'd be mad to let him go if they don't go up.

[Jolly Red Giant]

With the championship playoffs underway 3 of the 4 managers are likely to get the boot after a somewhat successful season

Carlos Corberán, Daniel Farke, David Wagner and Russell Martin. I don't know much about Martin or Corberán but I'd say Wagner or Farke would be good for for us if they became available.
I wouldn't touch Martin with a barge pole - for anyone following Southampton and the development of Bazunu this season, it is clear that Martin does not know how to defend. If Southampton win promotion they will be obliterated in the PL because they cannot defend. Martin would be Stephen Kenny on steroids in terms of how he would set up the team.

Corberan is the polar opposite - I think that WBA would put up a decent account of themselves - despite having a much weaker squad than Southampton - because Corberan knows how to organise a defence (i would regard him as a younger version of Chris Hughton).

Both Farke and Wagner fall between both of those - and would be a quality hire.

The problem is that if any of those are sacked - which they shouldn't be if the owners have any sense - I think they will all be in demand.

Canada just appointed Jesse Marsch - which I think is a good appointment for Canada, but in comparison to Corberan, Farke and Wagnar, - Marsch is not in the same league. It is possible that we are in the Marsch territory.

[seanfhear]

I wouldn't touch Martin with a barge pole - for anyone following Southampton and the development of Bazunu this season, it is clear that Martin does not know how to defend. If Southampton win promotion they will be obliterated in the PL because they cannot defend. Martin would be Stephen Kenny on steroids in terms of how he would set up the team.

Corberan is the polar opposite - I think that WBA would put up a decent account of themselves - despite having a much weaker squad than Southampton - because Corberan knows how to organise a defence (i would regard him as a younger version of Chris Hughton).

Both Farke and Wagner fall between both of those - and would be a quality hire.

The problem is that if any of those are sacked - which they shouldn't be if the owners have any sense - I think they will all be in demand.

Canada just appointed Jesse Marsch - which I think is a good appointment for Canada, but in comparison to Corberan, Farke and Wagnar, - Marsch is not in the same league. It is possible that we are in the Marsch territory.Sinking (wink) !

[Stuttgart88]

Norwich's Wagner has just been sacked.

He could be tempted. I hear he's a bit of a mercenary.

[seanfhear]

Norwich's Wagner has just been sacked.

He could be tempted. I hear he's a bit of a mercenary.
Valkyries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRU1AJsXN1g

[Stuttgart88]

He could get a tune from some of our players.

[JR89]

FAI won't be hiring Robbie straight from Israel. They're not gonna bring that attention onto themselves and make what's gonna be a pain in the ass managerial search even worse by having press conferences constantly talking about Israel.

[Razors left peg]

FAI won't be hiring Robbie straight from Israel. They're not gonna bring that attention onto themselves and make what's gonna be a pain in the ass managerial search even worse by having press conferences constantly talking about Israel.

Instead they'd rather hire confirmed racist Sagnol?

[Eirambler]

Instead they'd rather hire confirmed racist Sagnol?

That can be dealt with as required - rightly or wrongly - by Sagnol showing regret and having learnt from mistakes (see Malky Mackay in Scotland after all those text messages, he's been hired by Ross County, the SFA and most recently just this week by Hibs).

Whereas bringing Keane straight in from Israel would be an absolute PR disaster.

[SkStu]

Claiming Keane taking a job in Israel is a worse transgression than Sagnols comments is bizarre. Both would need to be addressed to some degree but Sagnol has a steeper hill to climb by far. FWIW, I could live with Sagnol as Irish manager if he demonstrated some growth and remorse.

[Eirambler]

I don't know that I'm saying one is a worse transgression than the other. To be honest I don't know enough about the Sagnol situation and background to take a view on that.

What I do know is that he's currently manager of another international team, so presumably the PR side of what happened with him is manageable. Whereas, right now, the combination of Keane's employment location and Irish views on the Gaza conflict - particularly those of Irish football supporters - make employing him a virtual impossibility from a PR point of view.

Rightly or wrongly people won't boycott games because of Sagnol's history, provided that he can demonstrate contrition. Whereas I genuinely think a lot of people would boycott Ireland under Keane right now regardless of what he says or what spin the FAI might try to put on it.

[Razors left peg]

One man took a job when no one else was offering and another thinks that Africans need Nordics in the team to help them.... these 2 things are not the same

[CraftyToePoke]

I don't know that I'm saying one is a worse transgression than the other. To be honest I don't know enough about the Sagnol situation and background to take a view on that.

What I do know is that he's currently manager of another international team, so presumably the PR side of what happened with him is manageable. Whereas, right now, the combination of Keane's employment location and Irish views on the Gaza conflict - particularly those of Irish football supporters - make employing him a virtual impossibility from a PR point of view.

Rightly or wrongly people won't boycott games because of Sagnol's history, provided that he can demonstrate contrition. Whereas I genuinely think a lot of people would boycott Ireland under Keane right now regardless of what he says or what spin the FAI might try to put on it.

But you are offering a view. An ill informed one by your own admission, but that hasn't stopped you.

Sagnol had a big employment gap & washed up in Georgia, a place with a long hard road ahead of it in race relations terms.

He has never shown genuine contrition. Never owned it.

Fans won't boycott you reckon, and even if you're right, what about the lads with African heritage, proudly representing Ireland today ? They're supposed to just shut up & pretend everything is OK yeah ? Shouldn't that impact be a consideration around a candidate with his past ?

[JR89]

Instead they'd rather hire confirmed racist Sagnol?

I'm actually surprised nothing was brought up about Sagnol the way it was with Lennon. Must have close to 15 lads with senior caps and in the U21s with an African background.

[Razors left peg]

I'm actually surprised nothing was brought up about Sagnol the way it was with Lennon. Must have close to 15 lads with senior caps and in the U21s with an African background.

I think if he was actually appointed there'd be a sh1t storm that might force him out of the job fairly quickly.

Isn't it such an Irish thing though to say that " the PR side of things could be managed" with Sagnol but we hammer one of all time greats because we disagree with his current job. Sagnol is a racist, Robbie has bad judgement. There's a massive difference in the issues, and yet so would rather give Sagnol a pass

[elatedscum]

I’d suspect there’ll be a degree uproar if Sagnol is appointed by the FAI. I think there’s a degree of dilution compared to Lennon because the original comments were in French and the nuance of whatever was said is important, so what we are generally getting is second hand reporting and isolated quotes. I’m not defending him at all, just saying there’s a degree of uncertainty that I have, which I wouldn’t have if I was a native French speaker etc.

This bbc article does a decent job of showing the complexity and the range of reaction within French football. And it’s hard to gauge the validity of his explanations without having read the original interview… https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29936578.amp

[CraftyToePoke]

This bbc article does a decent job of showing the complexity and the range of reaction within French football. And it’s hard to gauge the validity of his explanations without having read the original interview… https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29936578.amp

Does it though ?
It doesn't mention the comparison he made between Nordic & African players & needing the intelligence of the former. I think if you draw that particular comparison, on that subject, you know exactly what you're saying & are fine with saying it.

His follow up is a lot of, sorry if what I said offended you & attempts to somehow make it ok - rather, what I said was wrong & I should not have said it.

& I read African and African heritage players making the best of an ugly mess in the fallout, no more than that.

These days you often wonder, can following Ireland continue to keep getting worse & for how much longer ? Up step Sagnol and Clusterfcuk Canham to headhunt him. Christ.

[Eirambler]

But you are offering a view. An ill informed one by your own admission, but that hasn't stopped you.



I made it perfectly clear that what I was saying was relating to the PR side of the situation and was not a personal view.

With the best will in the world this is the second time this weekend you've decided to take a personal shot at me and you've already been called out on it once. Maybe give it a rest now.

I don't want to get personal either but your posting style is very reminiscent of a certain poster on another forum and I can't help but wonder if you'd be better sticking to that (in my view dying) forum if you're going to persist with the unwarranted personal attacks.

[Acornvilla]

I'm actually surprised nothing was brought up about Sagnol the way it was with Lennon. Must have close to 15 lads with senior caps and in the U21s with an African background.
FWIW I'm fairly interested in football and spend too much time online reading about and talking about it and I had somehow never seen or heard this Sagnol story, or maybe I did but had totally forgotten by now, so perhaps there just wasn't a critical mass of people who even knew, or he was never close enough to getting the job for anyone with a profile in the media to bring it up.

While with Lennon I remember feeling surprised at the time that not enough people were binging his history up.

Not really a statement on anything but it is funny how differently the same events can feel :D

[Diggs246]

I’d suspect there’ll be a degree uproar if Sagnol is appointed by the FAI. I think there’s a degree of dilution compared to Lennon because the original comments were in French and the nuance of whatever was said is important, so what we are generally getting is second hand reporting and isolated quotes. I’m not defending him at all, just saying there’s a degree of uncertainty that I have, which I wouldn’t have if I was a native French speaker etc.

This bbc article does a decent job of showing the complexity and the range of reaction within French football. And it’s hard to gauge the validity of his explanations without having read the original interview… https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29936578.amp


I think the uproar will be mickey mouse and end very quickly, he will stick to his guns that he not a racist and was taking out of context and bulldoze through it
I think he is a racist, no one using the word Nordic to describe white people can be anything other than klan!

[weldoninhio]

FWIW I'm fairly interested in football and spend too much time online reading about and talking about it and I had somehow never seen or heard this Sagnol story, or maybe I did but had totally forgotten by now, so perhaps there just wasn't a critical mass of people who even knew, or he was never close enough to getting the job for anyone with a profile in the media to bring it up.

While with Lennon I remember feeling surprised at the time that not enough people were binging his history up.

Not really a statement on anything but it is funny how differently the same events can feel :D

Nonsense cancel culture wasn't as rampant in 2014. Nowadays anything can be twisted to make you the bad guy. Once one person gets offended on behalf of others it's game over.

I'd 100% take Sagnol as Ireland manager.

[EalingGreen]

That can be dealt with as required - rightly or wrongly - by Sagnol showing regret and having learnt from mistakes (see Malky Mackay in Scotland after all those text messages, he's been hired by Ross County, the SFA and most recently just this week by Hibs).Mackay's appointment has not gone down well with Hibs' fans, eg:
https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibernian-supporters-groups-brand-appointment-of-malky-mackay-a-disgrace-and-disgusting

And as Sporting Director, he's presumably got more influence at the club overall than a (mere) Head Coach.


Whereas bringing Keane straight in from Israel would be an absolute PR disaster.While PR is important, imo it shouldn't be the only, or even the overriding, factor in determining whether someone is suitable for a post.

And as for "straight in", how is appointing someone immediately "worse" than waiting until he's had another job or two (other than peoples' memories being fresher)? Unless he's somehow rehabilitated himself in the meantime, he'd still be the same person whether now or in two or three years time.

[CraftyToePoke]

Nonsense cancel culture wasn't as rampant in 2014. Nowadays anything can be twisted to make you the bad guy. Once one person gets offended on behalf of others it's game over.

I'd 100% take Sagnol as Ireland manager.

Except he didn't work after Bordeaux, as a manager again until Georgia. 2016 to 2021. He was at Bayern Munich in 2017 & then a gap until his present job. Now, as you have said yourself cancel culture didn't hold such sway back then, maybe there is another reason.

Also the players of African heritage who spoke out, and they were numerous, were not getting offended on behalf of others. So why say that ?

By all means have your opinion on cancel culture but maybe not bolt it onto this particular matter ?