Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[tetsujin1979]

I think he's on a rolling contract, so they'll be due something.

[Diggs246]

I think he's on a rolling contract, so they'll be due something.

I don't want to come across as naïve but i bet they wave it
it will be so small in football terms anyway

[JR89]

Yeah I don't think the FA will haggle about compensation when he's only got a few months left on his contract.

They'd want this sorted ASAP so they can get another manager in place as they've got two qualifiers in March.

Our next competitive game isn't till September so FAI could wait till August if the FA play hard ball and then they're left paying a managers wages whose gonna leave in August anyway.

[backstothewall]

It looks like it's Carsley and I'm happy with that.

I'm sure the money side of it will be sorted out fairly amicably between the 2 FAs. With the joint Euros bid going on I'd expect relationships are quite good there

It will be interesting to see if Ashley Cole comes with him, or who he lines up as his backroom staff.

[NeverFeltBetter]

With Carsley it could go pear-shaped. With Lennon or Keane, it absolutely would. Hughton might be a safer choice for a variety of reasons, but i'd be cautiously optimistic if they take the chance on Carsley.

[seanfhear]

Owen Cowzer calling it for Carsley.

I, for one, welcome our new folically challenged overlord.

Maybe the whole Lennon thing was just a clever ruse by the suits to get everyone on board with Carsley. A kind of "here's the horror show alternative you could have had, so let's all get behind Lee" thing. If it was then it worked!
Hold on to nurse for fear of worse ! !

[Jolly Red Giant]

With Carsley it could go pear-shaped.
That is the chance you take with a relatively unknown quantity. Hughton is definitely the safe choice - he would steady the ship and sort out a lot of the issues that bedeviled Kenny's team - he would be a relatively low ceiling but a high floor (and by relatively low ceiling I mean that he is not a top tier coach but he is very competent and he knows what he is doing). Carsley is likely to be the opposite - the potential of a high ceiling but also potentially a low floor.




It will be interesting to see if Ashley Cole comes with him, or who he lines up as his backroom staff.
Definitely wouldn't re-hire any of Kenny's backroom team - they all have to rebuild their reputations.

I think it is questionable if Cole comes with him - Cole might be his replacement with the England U-21s - but - I think the following should be considered - Chris Hughton as a technical advisor (Hughton is a student of the game and can be a very good sounding board for Carsley) - Steven Reid as assistant manager (currently first-team coach at Forest and highly regarded) - Shay Given as goalkeeping coach (in my opinion his role at Derby was underrated - it was Given and Rosenior that kept things afloat there, not Rooney) - another possibility is Andy Reid (U23 coach at Forest).

[Crosby87]

Lee Carsley to managed Ireland!

How many months will he last? We should have had that competition the last few times.

[Eirambler]

With Carsley it could go pear-shaped. With Lennon or Keane, it absolutely would. Hughton might be a safer choice for a variety of reasons, but i'd be cautiously optimistic if they take the chance on Carsley.

Absolutely - there's no guarantees with any of the options here but Carsley is the one who's career seems to be on the way up. Everyone else linked is on the way down. There isn't going to be a miraculous improvement overnight, but if Carsley does come in I'd be cautiously optimistic that 2023 will prove to be the low water mark for us and things will start to steadily improve from here.

Personally I'd be happy for none of the backroom team to be ex Ireland internationals. Steven Reid is probably the only one I'd consider. Too many have been given those roles in recent years for no reason other than they used to play for the team, those lads are no good for anything much beyond putting out the training cones.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Lee Carsley to managed Ireland!

How many months will he last? We should have had that competition the last few times.
Well - Kenny got three and a half years.

[Eirambler]

Lee Carsley to managed Ireland!

How many months will he last? We should have had that competition the last few times.

He would have to do pretty badly to not get a second campaign here. Unless he does extremely poorly or massively over performs he's likely to be the man until Euro 2028 if he takes it.

[Crosby87]

Do his friends call him "Cars", lads?

[SkStu]

Here with my Cars, I feel safest of all
We can score lots of goals, it's the only way to live
With Cars

Here with my Cars, I can only believe
We can win lots of games, and do it for years
With Cars

[Razors left peg]

Carsleys backroom team will be interesting. He's very well connected so it could be anyone really, doesn't have to be Irish. Anthony Barry was unknown to us before he was brought in so someone like that is possible. Kilbane is best mates and they did jointly approach the FAI years ago so he could be his #2. I'd love to see Brian Barry Murphy be brought in in some capacity but considering Carsley will be very much a training ground coach himself that might not work.

Interesting and exciting times ahead. Delighted that they seem to have gotten the best available candidate

[Eirambler]

The English lads over on the Big Soccer forum seem delightfully bitter about all this so I'm taking that as a positive sign.

[Razors left peg]

Getting Carsley is a coup. He's won a major tournament with England, extremely highly rated within the FA and is seen as a very progressive coach. We only get him because he actually really wants the job.

[nigel-harps1954]

Carsleys backroom team will be interesting. He's very well connected so it could be anyone really, doesn't have to be Irish. Anthony Barry was unknown to us before he was brought in so someone like that is possible. Kilbane is best mates and they did jointly approach the FAI years ago so he could be his #2. I'd love to see Brian Barry Murphy be brought in in some capacity but considering Carsley will be very much a training ground coach himself that might not work.

Interesting and exciting times ahead. Delighted that they seem to have gotten the best available candidate

Can't imagine Kilbane being involved with him living in Canada these days.

[JR89]

Can't imagine Kilbane being involved with him living in Canada these days.

And won't be Brian Barry Murphy unless he quits his job at City. Carsley had to step away from his FA role when he joined City as they don't like their coaches double jobing.

Think it's gonna be someone he's worked with at club level before or an ex international teammate that's coaching. Stephen Reid would be a good pick up as assistant manager and you've also got Andy Reid as part of the first team coaching staff at Forest.

Would love if Carsley could get someone like Mark Warburton in. Left West Ham as he had a different view on football than David Moyes but also talked about wanting to find a role where he had more of a say. No club or country has picked him up yet and should share similar views on how things should be done as both him and Carsley worked together at Brentford.

[tetsujin1979]

Maybe Mark Kennedy?
Worked with Carsley at Man City's academy, and is currently free after leaving Lincoln City

[CraftyToePoke]

Did Johnny Walters finish his badges recently ?

[mark12345]

Carsleys backroom team will be interesting. He's very well connected so it could be anyone really, doesn't have to be Irish. Anthony Barry was unknown to us before he was brought in so someone like that is possible. Kilbane is best mates and they did jointly approach the FAI years ago so he could be his #2. I'd love to see Brian Barry Murphy be brought in in some capacity but considering Carsley will be very much a training ground coach himself that might not work.

Interesting and exciting times ahead. Delighted that they seem to have gotten the best available candidate

I had a premonition a long time ago (around the time his career was winding down and he began to get stick from the Lansdowne Road fans) that Kilbane would one day manage Ireland. Not quite in the hot seat yet but close enough

[JR89]

Maybe Mark Kennedy?
Worked with Carsley at Man City's academy, and is currently free after leaving Lincoln City

Interesting shout. Kennedy has mostly coached in his post playing career. When his first stint into management didn't work out because of COVID he went back to coaching for a year and a half.

Spent half a year shadowing the head of Ipswich's academy for six months before spending a season as assistant manager to Lee Bowyer.

Think the big issue with Kennedy is management will probably always be on his mind. Could appoint him next month and he's gone by the summer or after the NLs.

For your actual no.2 think you need someone you know will stick around. Think it's somewhat okay if you're no.3 switches. The big problem for Kenny was Andrews was a meh assistant and the likes of Barry and O'Shea were more like assistants than coaches for Kenny.

[backstothewall]

Typically the profile of the ideal #2 is someone who is a really good coach who can run things on the training ground, but I don't think that's what Carsley will want or should want. Carsley is a highly regarded coach himself and as such should probably be leading that end of things himself.

What might be good is a wise old head who can fill those gaps in his experience as well as acting as a sounding board. Someone who has a decent amount of experience managing in the Championship and/or Premier League would be good. Handling club managers is as much part of the job as managing the players these days. Someone who already has strong relationships with those guys would be great, and ironically enough Chris Hughton would be ideal, although he's probably still well enough placed to get another club job. I doubt the whole Ghana thing will stick to him and he has a good record with Newcastle and Brighton to point to.

Brian McDermott might be a possibility. I read an interview with Steve Bruce where he said he would consider that sort of role. Or maybe someone like Paul Lambert.

After that someone who knows the League of Ireland is important. I have my doubts that League of Ireland players have much to offer the international team, but it can't be ignored completely. By the same token asking premier league players to listen to someone who's only success has been at League of Ireland level reminds me of the urban legend of David Moyes making Rio Ferdinand watch videos of Phil Jagielka. Basically, what I'm saying is Damien Duff should be involved.

Alan Kelly has been working as a goalkeeping coach at Everton for years now. If he could work alongside Carsley that would be ideal. Dean Kiely is in a similar role at Palace. Failing that it's hard to look past Shay Given.

* EDIT: Added in about Dean Kiely. Had momentarily forgotten about him despite him bening Kenny's goalie coach. Probably the first time Lee Carsley and Dean Kiely have been mentioned in the same post and it has absolutely nothing to do with that bloody playoff against Turkey.

[backstothewall]

Oh. It's very positive that Paul McShane is working with the U21s. The FAI seem to have started prioritising giving coaching opportunities to former senior internationals. There's a natural authority that comes from having 35 senior caps in the house that no amount of success as in our domestic leagues can replace. I couldn't give a monkey's if they got those caps as a result of playing for clubs in Britain, Ireland, Germany or Darkest Peru, but we all know that's going to mean giving those chances to guys who played in England or for Celtic, instead of the usual lads who get jobs by hanging around in the Abbotstown canteen.

[Eirambler]

Slightly less positive headlines on the manager situation this morning. There will be a lot of pressure on the FAI to get Carsley over the line now though after yesterday's leaks.

[pineapple stu]

Alan Kelly has been working as a goalkeeping coach at Everton for years now. If he could work alongside Carsley that would be ideal. Dean Kiely is in a similar role at Palace. Failing that it's hard to look past Shay Given.

* EDIT: Added in about Dean Kiely. Had momentarily forgotten about him despite him bening Kenny's goalie coach. Probably the first time Lee Carsley and Dean Kiely have been mentioned in the same post and it has absolutely nothing to do with that bloody playoff against Turkey.
Is Gerry Peyton an option for goalkeeping coach?

Maybe a different generation so mightn't fit, and maybe he's retired altogether at this stage; he's 67 and it's two years since his last role.

But he spent 15 years at Arsenal (2003 to 2018) so he can't be a bad coach.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Is Gerry Peyton an option for goalkeeping coach?

Maybe a different generation so mightn't fit, and maybe he's retired altogether at this stage; he's 67 and it's two years since his last role.

But he spent 15 years at Arsenal (2003 to 2018) so he can't be a bad coach.
Think he might be retired

[Fixer82]

Is Steven Reid available or currently employed?

[Diggs246]

If the carsley deal goes pear shaped
The worst thing they should be is panic hire
Just wait another month, regroup and see who is free etc

[nigel-harps1954]

Reports this morning that it may not be Carsley after all.

[Jd2793]

just give it to keane and be done with it

[Stuttgart88]

I'd be cautiously optimistic that 2023 will prove to be the low water mark for us Can you have a low water mark? Surely it'd be washed away if the water level rose. If the water level was falling it'd become a high water mark.

[Diggs246]

Even for a sponsor point of view
How can any corporation put their brand to a team managed by Lennon who threatened violence against a woman

[Stuttgart88]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13009507/Lee-Carsley-Republic-Ireland-England-boss-Gareth-Southgate.html

Daily Mail saying he's turning the job down...

[NeverFeltBetter]

I'd forgotten that Southgate's contract was up in December. Barring a EURO's win in the Summer (which is far from impossible, albeit you'd place other teams over England right now) I wonder if Carley's been promised he'll be considered at the very least. There are a few other relatively high-profile English managers knocking around though, so that's very far from a sure thing. If he turns down the Ireland job because he thinks he'll get the England job, that's a big risk to take. I'd actually say he'd be more likely to end up as England manager if he drags Ireland up a bit for a while first.

[ontheotherhand]

Even for a sponsor point of view
How can any corporation put their brand to a team managed by Lennon who threatened violence against a woman

What sponsor?

Looks like another monumental **** up is playing out.

[Diggs246]

Absolutely zero chance lee carsley gets the English job
The FA deal in 100s of millions in sponsorship deals. They have to have a house hold name in the hot seat

[Diggs246]

What sponsor?

Looks like another monumental **** up is playing out.
Any future sponsor. Would be in the wind

Every the fai touches turns to poo

[ontheotherhand]

Any future sponsor. Would be in the wind

Every the fai touches turns to poo

Could sell manure to raise funds if that's the case. As it stands they seem to create no value at all at most levels.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Klopp is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season - to live a normal life - being an international manager is a lot less work than a club manager

[backstothewall]

If Carsley has indeed turned it down we're in a complete mess.

[NeverFeltBetter]

If reports are true then it pretty much has to be Hughton then, unless Barry is a serious contender. Though I will allow myself a laugh at Jurgen Klopp trying to get a gegenpress going out of some of our players.

[tetsujin1979]

Lads, it's the m*il

[seanfhear]

Klopp is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season - to live a normal life - being an international manager is a lot less work than a club managerI wonder does he like wet windy weather ? ! (wink)

[Stuttgart88]

Lads, it's the m*ail

Enough of this calm rationality...

[Olé Olé]

Bookies have Carsley out to 4/1 and Lennon into 11/4. Suspect they have little clue either but will represent where the money is going.

[Razors left peg]

Sickening if this is true. There's no other candidate that I'd even be reasonably ok with at this point. Hughton, Lennon or Roy will make me vomit

[Olé Olé]

So Dan McD is saying there are concerns about his appetite for the gig. Miguel Delaney stated something similar but he had been saying that Carsley was warming to the idea.

Quite simply, he's either happy where he is or wouldn't want the Ireland gig anyway.

So, the FA are telling him he's in the running or their preferred candidate to replace Southgate? Or he's waiting for that to be communicated?

Or, would he not want the gig anyway for Ireland? Is he concerned about the package, working for the FAI or the prospects of success with the players at his disposal?

Or a bit of both - would prefer an outside shot at the England gig to getting the Ireland gig at all.....

[Eirambler]

Like most things it possibly comes down to money. If Carsley is looking to me made an offer that he can't refuse then it's unlikely that the FAI would have the funds to do that. If it's down to 100k either way or something and both sides are leaking stories as a negotiation tactic then it might still get done. For me it's not that Carsley is some must have managerial genius or anything like that, it's that I'd want to get him in because the alternatives being suggested are absolutely terrifying.

[Olé Olé]

Like most things it possibly comes down to money. If Carsley is looking to me made an offer that he can't refuse then it's unlikely that the FAI would have the funds to do that. If it's down to 100k either way or something and both sides are leaking stories as a negotiation tactic then it might still get done. For me it's not that Carsley is some must have managerial genius or anything like that, it's that I'd want to get him in because the alternatives being suggested are absolutely terrifying.
What's he on I wonder? Would the 560k that the FAI apparently have be much more?