Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[CraftyToePoke]

Only saving grace is that he didn't refer to the process as "mission critical".

They're proactively reaching out left right and centre, be assured. Which is easily and not to be confused with hopelessly scrambling & bumping into each other like clowns. While lying & covering their own asses.

How tone deaf is it, when they see fit to send out a guy to use that kind of phraseology, at this juncture, to a fanbase, public and even government, who have had it up to here with exactly that nonsense from Canham & co ?

[Stuttgart88]

I'd say he didn't even realise he was spouting such waffle. It's endemic within a certain type of manager these days.

[CraftyToePoke]

I'd say he didn't even realise he was spouting such waffle. It's endemic within a certain type of manager these days.

It is, but these lads are supposed to get a football manager to come work for them at some stage. Football, not corporate laddering. Do the managers hear this & back off ? I dunno, my spoofer radar goes nuclear soon as I hear it anyway.

[Eirambler]

I'm sure he's a lovely guy. Doesn't make me want him as manager though

Why not? He has managed at a high level, his sides play decent football and we're not exactly overloaded with interest right now. Who is available that's willing and better?

[Razors left peg]

Why not? He has managed at a high level, his sides play decent football and we're not exactly overloaded with interest right now. Who is available that's willing and better?

Because I dont rate him as a manager. I think Steve Bruce for example is a better manager and I dont want him either

[pineapple stu]

Claudio Ranieri has retired from club management (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cxeem21rxmno), saying he "could take an international job if it appealed to him"

Will be 73 in October; Trap was 74 when he left the Ireland job.

[seanfhear]

Claudio Ranieri has retired from club management (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cxeem21rxmno), saying he "could take an international job if it appealed to him"

Will be 73 in October; Trap was 74 when he left the Ireland job.Tinker Tailor ! !

[Stuttgart88]

I'm up for it if it brings Manuela back

[JR89]

Claudio Ranieri has retired from club management (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cxeem21rxmno), saying he "could take an international job if it appealed to him"

Will be 73 in October; Trap was 74 when he left the Ireland job.

By it appealling to him I'd say he's looking at a set up like Trap. Let me show up when there's a game but in-between I'm chilling at home in Italy.

[weldoninhio]

By it appealling to him I'd say he's looking at a set up like Trap. Let me show up when there's a game but in-between I'm chilling at home in Italy.

I don't know if Ranieri is that type of person. He seems to be the type that would like going to games etc.

[Diggs246]

Too old
Any manager will demand a 4 year contract
So they have a real chance at euro qualification.

[zero]

Claudio Ranieri has retired from club management (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cxeem21rxmno), saying he "could take an international job if it appealed to him"

Will be 73 in October; Trap was 74 when he left the Ireland job.

let's not forget his disastrous if short-lived spell in charge of Greece back in 2014. from wiki:


Ranieri was appointed manager of the Greek national team, following the departure of Fernando Santos after the 2014 FIFA World Cup; Ranieri signed a two-year contract worth €1.6 million. Compared to their previous stability under Otto Rehhagel and Santos, Ranieri often changed line-ups and formations, confusing the players; moreover, he did not live in Greece. He was dismissed on 15 November 2014, the day after a UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying 1–0 defeat at home against the Faroe Islands. He received €800,000 in compensation for his termination.

He reflected in a 2015 interview with the Leicester Mercury:

"I made a mistake when I was manager of Greece. I wanted to look because it is a different job at a club to a national team. I had four matches and for each game I trained the players for just three days. That is 12 days of training. What can I do in just 12 days? I had to rebuild a national team in just 12 days. What could I do? I am not a magician."

[pineapple stu]

That's a good quote to rule a guy out on in fairness!

[backstothewall]

The Irish public look to have given their verdict on John O'Shea tonight.

There's a lot of hedges being trimmed and lawns being cut around the country.

[Eirambler]

Interesting to see Wales becoming part of a very small club tonight - teams that failed to score in a game against Gibraltar. Wasn't that long ago they were being put up on a pedestal as a team we should aspire to in terms of how they bring in young players etc. But their post Bale and Ramsay generation is coming to nothing under Rob Page, who is looking a very poor manager now with Bale gone and Ramsay way past his best.

A good example as to why an inexperienced manager who is little more than a yes man for the association is something we really need to avoid with this appointment.

[pineapple stu]

That's maybe a little bit harsh, no?

Took four points off Croatia in Euro qualifying, then hammered a vaguely decent Finland 4-1 in the Euro playoffs and lost to Poland on penalties then in a fairly tight game. 9 games unbeaten and yeah, drawing against Gibraltar is a bad result (I don't know does a touch of June-itis come in?) but the other results were all ones in that run were reasonable results.

[seanfhear]

That's maybe a little bit harsh, no?

Took four points off Croatia in Euro qualifying, then hammered a vaguely decent Finland 4-1 in the Euro playoffs and lost to Poland on penalties then in a fairly tight game. 9 games unbeaten and yeah, drawing against Gibraltar is a bad result (I don't know does a touch of June-itis come in?) but the other results were all ones in that run were reasonable results.Stephen Kenny wouldn't be looking too good compared to that ? !

[pineapple stu]

FAI working off a five-man shortlist, (https://www.balls.ie/football/fai-shortlist-next-ireland-manager-600485#:~:text=FAI%20have%20five%2Dman%20shortlist ,Shea%20all%20still%20under%20consideration.)mostl y the same names they've been considering the past half year - Sagnol, Bilic, Hughton, Hudson and O'Shea.

[seanfhear]

FAI working off a five-man shortlist, (https://www.balls.ie/football/fai-shortlist-next-ireland-manager-600485#:~:text=FAI%20have%20five%2Dman%20shortlist ,Shea%20all%20still%20under%20consideration.)mostl y the same names they've been considering the past half year - Sagnol, Bilic, Hughton, Hudson and O'Shea.
Shortened from, everybody else / anybody else, to 5 ~ Hallelujah !

[nigel-harps1954]

Think I'd chance Bilic from that list. None of the rest inspire a lot of confidence.

[backstothewall]

From that list I think i'd prefer Sagnol or Hughton.

[pineapple stu]

Out of interest, do the people who oppose Robbie Keane getting the job also oppose Bilic and Hudson?

[backstothewall]

Out of interest, do the people who oppose Robbie Keane getting the job also oppose Bilic and Hudson?

Yes.

It's difficult because there are shades of grey and where does one stop? For example would I object to a Newcastle United player turning out for us? Probably not.

But to go there and live alongside the subjugation of people due to their religion or nationality or gender, and allow the sorts of regimes who engage in that kind of behaviour to rent your reputation is a line in the sand for me.

[texidub]

I'd go for Hughton out of those five - he's Irish and has always had a bit of class about him. Too soon for O'Shea even if we hockey Portugal 0-0 in the next game.

[TonyD]

Air gap is from computer security. It refers to a computer that's not on the network, and so is unhackable short of going to the building it's in and physically accessing it. Data is transferred to and from the air gapped computer by humans, who are informally known as the "sneakernet". Of course, in business lingo, it's just bullshirt to mean he was kept in the dark like the rest of us.

On a non football related note, I can’t express strongly enough how much I detest corporate garbage speech like this. Gets my gag reflexes going.

[Eminence Grise]

What i'm hearing is you have a sub-optimal pharyngeal-laryngeal harmonisation. There's a pill for it but, ah ... that punchline writes itself.

Of that shortlist, it would be Hughton for me. O'Shea could be a good manager some day, but he needs to grow from success and failure with a few clubs first.

[Eirambler]

FAI working off a five-man shortlist, (https://www.balls.ie/football/fai-shortlist-next-ireland-manager-600485#:~:text=FAI%20have%20five%2Dman%20shortlist ,Shea%20all%20still%20under%20consideration.)mostl y the same names they've been considering the past half year - Sagnol, Bilic, Hughton, Hudson and O'Shea.



So basically three options that have already said no, one that couldn't hack it in the MLS or the English non leagues and an FAI lapdog with no senior management experience other than a few friendlies with Ireland which we have played dreadfully in.

Great.

[Acornvilla]

I was a Chelsea fan as a kid before they were good, hated how Ranieri was treated, kind of gave up on the whole premier league thing years ago. I still love Claudio, just seems like such a gent. Damien Duff was also his mam's favourite footballer which is a random anecdote I don't even know why I remember. I doubt there's any chance he'd ever be interested in a country at our current level, but he could do the Trap thing, and swan in a couple times a month, definitely not what Irish football as a whole needs, but also, would I absolutely say no if he was interested? :D

I love John O' Shea, but I also don't think he should get the job yet, I desperately don't want it to become another Staunton situation. Maybe John really does know what he's doing, but honestly that Hungary performance was crap, and we only won because they really did not care. We need way more evidence than good vibes and 4 friendlies.

It was lovely to win, great to see Idah and Troy score, all that good stuff, is… good, but I'm also not sure we learned much, or that we will learn much from playing Portugal either, especially given they played 2 games in a week already, and this is their 3rd and final one right before the tournament starts. We'll know more after the game obviously, and I'd love to feel positive about the whole thing, but there's a big air of desperation about the place and we must not just jump at John because we don't know what we're doing :D

I also feel incredibly strongly that we can't appoint Keane. He actually has a better CV than John now after what he did, but between where he choose to manage, what he had to say about it, and even sitting on a massive contract while the FAI was insolvent, has massively damaged how I think about him as a person. I hate that I feel that way, but I do. Maybe I'd feel differently if he made a statement, or after some time passes…

Legality is not equal to morality and all that.

[Razors left peg]

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Lads maybe Im slow, but I just dont get it... What is with the RTE agenda to get O'Shea the job? Can someone explain it?

[Eirambler]

A lot of these people probably don't actually care that much about the national team. To them it's secondary to a club team or the domestic league or whatever. They're probably just sick of hearing about it and want the position filled so just give the lazy answer. It doesn't matter to them really if it doesn't work out. Also a lot of people aren't that bright, the "give it to xxxxxx to the end of the season" types that always come out of the woodwork whenever manager roles come up etc.

[Diggs246]

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Lads maybe Im slow, but I just dont get it... What is with the RTE agenda to get O'Shea the job? Can someone explain it?

Again it's the " just give it" mantra

Jesus it's more important than any junior ministry

" Just give it" no thanks

Can we please have a qualified candidate please

[CSAD]

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Lads maybe Im slow, but I just dont get it... What is with the RTE agenda to get O'Shea the job? Can someone explain it?


I suspect behind the scenes the FAI have been pushing RTE to get their pundits to back O'Shea for the gig just so they have an excuse to hire him and claim it's a man they are happy with and not because they know as well as we do that they have no-one. I mean come on, how can you be slamming Kenny for months/years and then be 100% behind O'Shea based on what we've seen over the last 4 games? It's so obvious these pundits are being given scripts to read off and I just feel embarrassed for these pundits as its clear even they don't believe the guff they are saying.

We all know O'Shea is going to be appointed the manager, its just worth keeping in mind that this is because they never had anyone to begin with and not the BS excuse the FAI will conveniently come up with, my money is on "We ArE iMpReSsEd WiTh ThE pRoGrEsS" or something along those lines, its all nonsense.

Just look at the performances, do the players honestly look like they are playing for him....just look at the injury list for this window, like I've said previously do you think these players would be "injured" if we had a Euros coming up? They just dont want to show up to camp which sums everything up.

[CSAD]

A lot of these people probably don't actually care that much about the national team. To them it's secondary to a club team or the domestic league or whatever. They're probably just sick of hearing about it and want the position filled so just give the lazy answer. It doesn't matter to them really if it doesn't work out. Also a lot of people aren't that bright, the "give it to xxxxxx to the end of the season" types that always come out of the woodwork whenever manager roles come up etc.

That's my issue with RTE's punditry. They put their mates first and the interests of Irish football 2nd.

[Acornvilla]

Since right after the Hungary win, from Didi Hamman losing the run of himself, I've seen a whole bunch of ex pro's jump for O' Shea to get it, a bit too easily and uncritically, and you would worry they're setting their pal up for a fall.

[Razors left peg]

Since right after the Hungary win, from Didi Hamman losing the run of himself, I've seen a whole bunch of ex pro's jump for O' Shea to get it, a bit too easily and uncritically, and you would worry they're setting their pal up for a fall.

Im not worried about what they are doing to their pal, Im worried about the rest of us having to suffer through it for the next 2 years.

[pineapple stu]

Again it's the " just give it" mantra

Jesus it's more important than any junior ministry

" Just give it" no thanks

Can we please have a qualified candidate please


Cawley added that the Ireland players' vocal backing for O'Shea would make his appointment a viable one for the FAI.

"He's obviously well liked. I'd be a bit like Eoin (Doyle) at this stage, purely because of the candidates that they're suggesting could come in," he said.

"I would be of the view, just give it to John O'Shea and let him get on with it and work with the players because no matter who comes in it's going to be a struggle.

"But at least if he has a relationship built up with those players already and they seem to like him, that that will stand for something and that they can work with him, they're happy to work with him and they want to get on with it."
It's not really a great argument, is it?

The players want him - but the players will back whoever's in charge at any given time. The players wanted Stephen Kenny.

"No matter who comes in it's going to be a struggle" - probably true, but all the more reason to try find someone who can maximise results/performances.

"He's well liked" - I mean, good for him, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

[Acornvilla]

Im not worried about what they are doing to their pal, Im worried about the rest of us having to suffer through it for the next 2 years.
Haha, for sure. I know people who reach levels of achievement like he has, must have incredible self belief, but this is one hell of a big swing to take for yourself as a real first time job, say he got it and goes badly, he is done before he's even begun.

[CSAD]

It's not really a great argument, is it?

The players want him - but the players will back whoever's in charge at any given time. The players wanted Stephen Kenny.

"No matter who comes in it's going to be a struggle" - probably true, but all the more reason to try find someone who can maximise results/performances.

"He's well liked" - I mean, good for him, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

I mean do the players really want him, the body language of players in each of the 4 games and overall performances suggest otherwise...

Do clowns like Cawley not realise that hiring O'Shea and Kenny, managers clearly not ready for this level, are a big reason why we are struggling? This whole "give it to O'Shea because we'll struggle regardless" is the attitude of someone who clearly doesn't care about the team going forward. If he cared he'd want the best man for the job not essentially a "just get it over with" attitude.

Correct, O'Shea is well liked by the players he used to play with...like I said previously the performances on the field tell a different tale.

And like I said in a previous post this all feels like a set up for O'Shea to get the job using RTE as a tool of influence. It's bordering on propaganda at this point lacking in any sort of logic or reason.

[Razors left peg]

Haha, for sure. I know people who reach levels of achievement like he has, must have incredible self belief, but this is one hell of a big swing to take for yourself as a real first time job, say he got it and goes badly, he is done before he's even begun.

But the point is that he's already done badly. It's rare you get a chance to trial a manager before hiring him full time. He's had 4 games and he's shown an incredible lack of ability to learn from one game to the next. We been tactically inflexible and tactically naive, especially against Portugal. He's shown no ability to adjust anything, expect sub one similar player for another. Never once tried to get the top goalscorer in the Championship playing through the middle instead of out wide. I could go on and on.

I was open minded with him after the Belgium game, but I don't know how anyone could now have watched all 4 games and think he should even be discussed for the role full time

[ifk101]

Why get rid of Kenny if the next option is O'Shea? Because is there any material difference in our approach to games with O'Shea compared to Kenny's last year in charge. The writing was on the wall for Kenny after Greece away and the team progressively lost shape in the games that followed. We have regained a more compact shape with O'Shea and he has brought back in some older heads, but otherwise we are playing as we did under Kenny's last year in charge when O'Shea was an assistant coach and having direct involvement in how the team plays. Giving O'Shea the job after Kenny is akin to how O'Shea game manages. We change personnel but keep doing the same thing that isn't working.

[CSAD]

What makes Cawley's comment even more bizarre is, according to someone on twitter, Cawley claim not too long ago that in his opinion assistant managers shouldn't be hired as they "have the same ideas/methodology" and should leave with the manager.

What changed for Cawley, his theory about assistant managers leaving seems to have some sort of logic but his theory for O'Shea to stay doesnt have any logic and is (in blunt terms) complete garbage. Like I said earlier just reading from a script.

[John83]

Is anyone in Irish punditry holding out and saying O'Shea doesn't look a good fit? A completely homogenous set of opinions - when those opinions seem optimistic at best to so many here - suggests arms being twisted for sure.

[texidub]

Thinking back to Jack Charlton... he put the fear of God into players. And he wasn't liked.. he was loved. Being likeable isn't enough. Whether it's as easy to put the fear of God into Irish international players as it used to be is another question as the status of international football has changed IMO over the years with so much money in the club game.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Why get rid of Kenny if the next option is O'Shea?
Bad and all as Kenny was - at least he had experience.

The team really needs someone to steady the ship - we are not going to get close to qualifying for anything with O'Shea in charge and it would be a waste of two years growth for the younger players.

I'll go back to my original suggestion - a highly regarded coach, with a good managerial record in the PL and has experience of international management - Chris Hughton.

[Jolly Red Giant]

And so we are clear - John O'Shea's record as a coach is - an uneventful 2 year stint as a coach at Reading - 10 months at Stoke - and then an utterly disasterous 3 months with Wayne Rooney at Birmingham (one of four coaches hired and fired with Rooney).

There is zero reason to believe that he is any good as a coach - and his judgement seems far from stellar as well.

[backstothewall]

I'm not too hard on the FAI over the O'Shea interim appointment. It was a free hit, and if it had worked it would have looked inspired.

But it hasn't worked. Nothing vetured, nothing gained, but it's time to move on to serious candidates.

[seanfhear]

Thinking back to Jack Charlton... he put the fear of God into players. And he wasn't liked.. he was loved. Being likeable isn't enough. Whether it's as easy to put the fear of God into Irish international players as it used to be is another question as the status of international football has changed IMO over the years with so much money in the club game.
A manager / boss has to be respected ~ ~ Liking / loving you is for your Mammy and Daddy and maybe your Wife / Husband ! ! you

[Fixer82]

I'll go back to my original suggestion - a highly regarded coach, with a good managerial record in the PL and has experience of international management - Chris Hughton.

I've said it from the start. Give it Gitsy!

Would be nice also for him on a personal level to have managed both countries of his ancestry

[CSAD]

I've said it from the start. Give it Gitsy!

Would be nice also for him on a personal level to have managed both countries of his ancestry


His time is long gone, yes he'd better better than what we have now but that isn't saying much.

[seanfhear]

Chris Hugthon and John O'Shea = = The Dream Team.