Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[punkrocket]

An osteopath? Getting rid of Packie then?

[Razors left peg]

Mark McCadden doubling down on saying that Carsley turned down the job this evening.

https://twitter.com/markmccadden/status/1755345787209347390?s=19

[liamoo11]

Mark McCadden doubling down on saying that Carsley turned down the job this evening.

https://twitter.com/markmccadden/status/1755345787209347390?s=19

Well that will save a few pound on the osteopath

[ontheotherhand]

Troussier would have been an interesting choice 15 years ago - but he has spent most of the time since in China and south-east Asia - and his latest stint as Vietnam manager resulted in the worst period for Vietnam in their footballing history.

Sounds fairly similar to Chris Hughton.

[Diggs246]

The longer this goes on the more opportunity it gives to the fair to f**k it up.

[John83]

Yeah, I'm starting to worry they have failed with Carsley and don't have a plan b. At least they don't seem to be racing to appoint Lennon or someone of that ilk.

[Eirambler]

It's certainly a possibility - that Carsley has said no, they've got a sense of the public push back against Lennon and they're having to go looking for a new name, or at least hanging on a while longer before having to resort to giving the job to the Lurgan Flop.

[Stuttgart88]

Lurgan Flop :)

[ontheotherhand]

The worry now is the network. The only names that have been in contention for the past few iterations have been very connected to the FAI already. All former players, or merry-go-round UK-based managers. There hasn't been a single candidate mentioned who would lead me to believe the FAI have looked outside of the existing rolodex.

With our budget we should have at least tried to find a few reasonably unknown managers at early stages in their career who might want a challenge and a bigger stage. Going through ECL level managers, the A-league etc etc. They might not have gotten way with an unknown but they are now likely left with the devils we know all too well. I know the FAI is strapped in terms of resources on all fronts but.....they will probably now sink just as much time into trying to get Carsley by any means necessary.

[weldoninhio]

It's certainly a possibility - that Carsley has said no, they've got a sense of the public push back against Lennon and they're having to go looking for a new name, or at least hanging on a while longer before having to resort to giving the job to the Lurgan Flop.

From an FAI source, Carsley is still Plan A. Lennon is Plan B. Plan A has not run it's course yet.

[seanfhear]

From an FAI source, Carsley is still Plan A. Lennon is Plan B. Plan A has not run it's course yet.
Maybe it's time for, Plan C ? !

[pineapple stu]

Yeah, I'm starting to worry they have failed with Carsley and don't have a plan b. At least they don't seem to be racing to appoint Lennon or someone of that ilk.
I'm probably misremembering previous manager hunts, but I get the feeling there weren't so few genuine candidates previously (I'm not counting people who tell the newspapers they'd be interested in the job). At the moment it feels like Carsley or Lennon. Hughton is peripheral and I think that's about it.

So if Carsley declines and the Lennon interest is taken down after general public reaction, where does that leave us after three months? (And tbh given how quickly Kenny was let go, the FAI must have been considering other options before November)

[zero]

I'd imagine a good few of the managers from the Asia / African cup will become available now that the tournaments are wrapping up. Could someone like Hugo Broos be worth a look? He took a quite frankly poor South Africa side (almost all play in SA, one or two in european leagues but none in the top leagues) to the semi final, losing on pens to Nigeria. Several league titles with brugge in his home country.

He is 71 though which I feel is a factor in any appointment (should it be?).

[SkStu]

Theres a fella on another forum that is saying that we were supposed to play Germany in a friendly but the new manager who will be announced today or tomorrow vetoed it as he wanted a warm weather training camp, so we get Portugal instead...

A baldy and a ginger campaigning for a warm weather camp and all that sunburn and/or sunscreen costs? Can't see it myself. With this news, I think its Poyet.

Welcome Gus.

[Diggs246]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/embarrassed-fai-apologise-to-irish-fans-after-email-slur-over-excessive-alcoholsubstance-intake-by-ireland-supporters-in-amsterdam/a1110510583.html

Can you imagine treating your clients like this in your normal day to day life

That's what we are, their clients and they think they can sh*t on us

[pineapple stu]

Maybe some fans were drunk though?

I mean, it's a possibility

[Razors left peg]

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Dan McDonnell was talking to Hill.

[tetsujin1979]

John Eustace is being linked with the Blackburn job.

[weldoninhio]

John Eustace is being linked with the Blackburn job.

He'd be mad to take that with all the issues surrounding the club.

[seanfhear]

He'd be mad to take that with all the issues surrounding the club.
Are the Chicken-ers still involved ?

[weldoninhio]

Are the Chicken-ers still involved ?

They are. And they still haven't learned anything about football.

[Razors left peg]

I dont generally pay too much attention to Keith Tracey, but in a world where there is no information leaking out here is what he has supposedly heard....

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[third policeman]

I dont generally pay too much attention to Keith Tracey, but in a world where there is no information leaking out here is what he has supposedly heard....

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Is Treacy actually suggesting that most people would want Roy Keane? Somewhat discredits him as any kind of reliable source.

[CraftyToePoke]

Fifty four pages of thread lads, Christmas came & went, then January and in its turn the NL draw arrived too & Spring, yet still we wait.

Gotta be this week ? Right ? RIGHT ? :)

[Razors left peg]

Is Treacy actually suggesting that most people would want Roy Keane? Somewhat discredits him as any kind of reliable source.

Have a look at social media and you'll be shocked at the amount who actually do want Keane. Off The Ball did a survey a couple weeks ago and Roy Keane was 1st choice, he had 19% more votes than Lennon and Carsley who were joint 2nd.... dont underestimate the stupidity of the Irish "football" public

[tetsujin1979]

Sounds more like you shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of Off The Ball listeners

[Razors left peg]

Sounds more like you shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of Off The Ball listeners

OTB listeners and anyone that comments on social media..... quite a large amount of people within that Tets!

[Fixer82]

Would Keane have had better results than Stephen Kenny?

[Diggs246]

Would Keane have had better results than Stephen Kenny?

Yes without question , but then Keane would basically assault someone and that would be that

[JR89]

Would Keane have had better results than Stephen Kenny?

He'd be more conservative so yeah I'd say he'd have gotten better results than Kenny.

[Fixer82]

He'd be more conservative so yeah I'd say he'd have gotten better results than Kenny.

I agree.
I still think Mick McCarthy should have been allowed see out his fixtures. We were starting to get some performances going under him. Switzerland and Denmark were solid performances under McCarthy.
Then Kenny took over and the sh!tshow began. Beaten by Luxembourg etc

[Razors left peg]

Would Keane have had better results than Stephen Kenny?

I dont think so, and I think he would have gotten similar results while stubbornly persisting with the likes of Randolph, Jeff Hendrick, Long, Hourihane and others who were way past their sell by date. I think we'd be in a position now similar to when McCarthy took over from Jack where it was a aging squad, that had to be rebuilt completely.

One of my biggest criticisms of Kenny in the end was that he lost the courage of his conviction and went back to Duffy and McClean instead of continuing to blood younger players. It didnt help with results and I thought it showed he lost his bottle.

The new manager coming in now has a squad with the average age of about 23 and a lot of a caps. That can only be a positive going forward. My personal opinion is that I dont think we'd have been in a similar situation had Keane taken over instead of Kenny.

[Strongbow10]

Shay Given on RTE more or less confirming it's not going to be Carsley this time, but that he may be interested in the future. Gave the impression he'd spoken to him and didn't want to say anymore.

[Razors left peg]

Shay saying it's his understanding its not Carsley... is that from talking to Carsley or from reading the Daily Mail. It didn't sound like he's in the know when he started listing the others linked.

https://twitter.com/RTEsport/status/1757542957974994958?t=Yq4SVIu5Uosi5wWytS6_SA&s=19

[seanfhear]

Rabbit from Hat time !

[SkStu]

This whole process is an absolute shambles.

Where are the leaks FFS!

[Diggs246]

Once again with the fai we lie down with clowns and we wake up with a red nose

[John83]

OTB listeners and anyone that comments on social media..... quite a large amount of people within that Tets!
foot.ie is a form of social media.

[seanfhear]

I suppose Roy Keane would be a Money Generator until it all goes wrong, but maybe ( definitely ) the FAI would be happy to make money !

Ah ~ Things are desperate !

[Drummerboy2]

I originally thought John Eustace would have been a good choice but he was eventually snapped up by Blackburn. Then there seemed to be some hope of Carsley taking the job but alas that ship seems to have sailed. What are we left with, Lennon, Roy Keane, Chris Haughton, not really inspiring.

What would people think of Robbie Keane. He seems to have made a great start in Israel and might be happy to leave that troubled part of the world.

[weldoninhio]

Looking like Plan B - Lennon. Unless something incredible happens.

Hopefully they hold off as long as possible. Not looking forward to the weeks of whinging once he's confirmed.

[Diggs246]

Looking like Plan B - Lennon. Unless something incredible happens.

Hopefully they hold off as long as possible. Not looking forward to the weeks of whinging once he's confirmed.

Let the whinging begin, this is our lead candidate

Neil Lennon drunk (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzzJ1eyFbbo)

[NeverFeltBetter]

Starting to think the delay is about convincing people within FAI higher echelons to get onboard with Lennon. It would be a disaster. I'm just imagining press asking every player about his personal life and if they're comfortable playing for him.

Aside from him not being an especially great manager of course.

[pineapple stu]

Let the whinging begin, this is our lead candidate

Neil Lennon drunk (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzzJ1eyFbbo)
Meh. Let her who is without sin cast the first stone. I've seen plenty of Irish fans drunk when abroad for games. I've been been drunk when abroad for games (if not that drunk)

Social media makes people think they have a right to film famous people at it and shout abuse at them. **** that.

There may be many reasons why Lennon wouldn't be a good choice, but I don't think that's one

[Snapshot]

He'd be more conservative so yeah I'd say he'd (Keane) have gotten better results than Kenny.
No one could have done worse.

[backstothewall]

Reading between the lines it seems like the FAI are prepared to pay a full time wage for a full time appointment, or a part time wage for a part time appointment, but not a full time wage for a guy who wants to fly in and out around fixtures. I imagine Kenny was around Abbotstown and around the country and was seen to be doing the job in a different way from his predecessors who weren’t in the country between international windows.

I find it hard to argue that point. Carsley’s family situation probably makes relocating to Ireland impossible, and what the FAI view as being a fair wage for a part timer is likely significantly less than he could expect to attract in England.

It's a classic stand off really. I don’t think anyone is really in the wrong. Perhaps Lennon is the most qualified candidate prepared to relocate to this side of the Irish Sea (much easier for a guy who’s originally from Lurgan tbf). But the fact’s are that Lennon’s baggage makes him completely unsuitable.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/neil-lennon-made-shocking-knife-7043869

How in the name of God can he go and sit on the couch on the Late Late and expect this not to come up? No serious football association in western Europe can appoint someone to the most senior coaching role in their country with that sort of past. The inevitable reaction would make his appointment impossible to sustain even if they do foolishly go for it. The questions simply won't end until he resigns.

If the FAI want someone who will relocate to this island to take the job, that’s not necessarily a bad idea. But they might have to get a little imaginative in casting their net than looking at who’s doing the rounds as occasional pundits on TV. Celtic didn’t find Ange Postecoglou sitting on a Sky Sports sofa.

[Diggs246]

Meh. Let her who is without sin cast the first stone. I've seen plenty of Irish fans drunk when abroad for games. I've been been drunk when abroad for games (if not that drunk)

Social media makes people think they have a right to film famous people at it and shout abuse at them. **** that.

There may be many reasons why Lennon wouldn't be a good choice, but I don't think that's one


its one of the biggest jobs in Irish sport. Give us a break , we just need a pro, a real professional, a guy who can lead on and off the pitch, not a ****ed bully, who threaten to slit a women throat
we have had enough torture over the last few years. That clip is of some who has issues and not like you in faired of someone on a night out wit the boys. They don't look like his mates in the clip

[pineapple stu]

Ah ****** to that. This sanctimonious guff of "Famous person can't get ****ed" doesn't hold any water for me.

The bully and the knife stuff wasn't in the clip you shared.

[Razors left peg]

We all lose our minds when someone says Carsley is in or out. Clearly things haven't gone as smoothly as the FAI would have liked but until I hear something officially from Carsley or the FAI I won't believe he's in or out. If Kilbane says something I'll be more concerned than Shay saying it.

Kilbane had a throwaway bit at the end of his article a couple weeks ago about Kerr and that he should be involved. No one has said anything about it since, including Kerr. He's been surprisingly quiet... all this delay couldn't be for Carsley trying to get Kerr on his staff could it???

[Diggs246]

Ah ****** to that. This sanctimonious guff of "Famous person can't get ****ed" doesn't hold any water for me.

The bully and the knife stuff wasn't in the clip you shared.

But you're aware of the knife incident? But you have decided to give him the benefit of the doubt

Fine that's you. I wasn't born yesterday and I know a problem when I see it.