Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[Stuttgart88]

I'm actually quite whelmed by this appointment.

And if he advocates for a 32 county team he'll be the Eire dentist.

[seanfhear]

The Iceman Cometh

[Jolly Red Giant]

He's already had some of the Twitterati going after him for saying he'd love to get Mason Greenwood to declare for Jamaica
For feck sake - not another abuser apologist :rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

I see Southgate has stepped down as England manager. So it'll be two new managers for the game in September - but I've always felt Southgate was holding England back in some ways. If a new manager lets them attack a bit more, we could be in for a very long afternoon in September...

[Philly]

They mention they might have an interim solution for the September games. Lee Carsley to manage vs. Ireland would be a nice way to close off this chapter...

[texidub]

England rattled. They know the real test is coming in September.

[pineapple stu]

Yep. Finland aren't to be underestimated. :p

[JR89]

Brian Barry Murphy being linked with the Strasbourg job. Finished 13th in Ligue 1 under Vieira last season and are part of the ownership group that owns Chelsea.

[Olé Olé]

Eddie Howe and Graham Potter getting their quotes into the media on the England job.

Surely a professional organization won't take too long to close this out.

If not, will Carsley become the managerial equivalent of a Patrick Bamford - happier to get a game or two for England than plenty with Ireland.

Unless, the FA do go for him but I'd be shocked.

[ColourfulPeanut]

To give the England manager's job to a man who has never held a job in senior men's football and was an Irish iternational would certainly be an interesting decision.

The second the results begin to falter the knives would be out and sharper than ever. He'd have nothing to fall back on like Howe or Potter would.

[EalingGreen]

To give the England manager's job to a man who has never held a job in senior men's football and was an Irish iternational would certainly be an interesting decision. True. Then again, look at the previous managerial record of Luis de la Fuente:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_la_Fuente_(footballer,_born_1961)

That's pretty sparse and unremarkable, it has to be said. And presumably he got the gig with the Senior Mens' team after working his way up through the under-age groups, so maybe we shouldn't fixate too much on experience managing in adult club football?

While Thomas Frank is another who came into management by a very unusual route - never played professionally, P.E. Teacher, then coaching Youth football etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Frank_(football_manager)

While The FA may also be influenced by the fact that Southgate himself impressed them managing the U-21's, albeit that he has previous managerial experience (and of course a former international)


The second the results begin to falter the knives would be out and sharper than ever. He'd have nothing to fall back on like Howe or Potter would.No doubt. Then again, such are the levels of expectation after GS's near misses etc, that that would only give Howe or Potter a second campaign, not even that maybe?

Speaking of which, Howe is looking like The FA's first choice, but he's hardly jumping at the chance. Seems that with a major reorganisation taking place at Newcastle, if he can retain the influence and control over team matters he's had until now, he may stay. But if not, he might be more amenable to the England job?

Meanwhile, Potter would take the job in a heartbeat, that much is clear. Anyhow, if neither gets it, for whatever reason, I have a feeling Carsley can't be that far off third place on the list.

[Olé Olé]

You've ignored completely the point that Carsley is an ex Ireland international. Or is that conflated with Frank being an ex PE teacher?

[EalingGreen]

You've ignored completely the point that Carsley is an ex Ireland international. Or is that conflated with Frank being an ex PE teacher?I didn't consciously "ignore" it, rather I was simply addressing the view held by many that LC's lack of experience managing Mens teams should preclude him from consideration for the England gig.

In the same way as I "ignored" eg his coaching badges, which are top notch.

As for TF, I was merely using him as an example of how the traditional route towards a job like always used to require a candidate to be English; an ex-England international player; have managed an English club(s); and be a big "name" (or the best combination of same). TF is none of those bar Brentford, yet I reckon he could do a good job and if reports are to be believed that's he's under consideration (not sure myself), it is to The FA's credit that they may be "thinking outside the box".

Anyhow fwiw, I actually think Carsley could turn out to be very good in the job too, if given time and the right support etc.

[EalingGreen]

And round and round the carousel goes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1817991900982394881/L9UCY8mi?format=jpg&name=small
Steve Bruce holds talks with Jamaica over vacant manager job

https://x.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1817991898985865694?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1817991898985865694%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[EalingGreen]

Never mind a Brucey bonus, yiz have now missed out on this Homie:

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1818737913380978848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818737913380978848%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

And the carousel rolls on...

[Diggs246]

What could have been!!!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/13260080/celtic-neil-lennon-urinating-rapid-bucharest-statement/amp/

[Eminence Grise]

Ra-peed Bucharest...

[CraftyToePoke]

Urine trouble now Lennon.

[Razors left peg]

Report is in the Sun, so obviously just takin the pi$$

[weldoninhio]

Did Barry Fry not urinate in all four corners of St Andrews to get rid of some curse back in the day?? If footballers/managers taking a slash during training is newsworthy, then the LSL is a "journalist's" dream.

[pineapple stu]

It should be noted the article contains the allegation and then the club denying it.

Which they probably would do in fairness.

Though making up an allegation so the club can give it credence by denying it sounds like a typically Sun thing to do

[The Fly]

Never mind a Brucey bonus, yiz have now missed out on this Homie:

https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1818737913380978848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818737913380978848%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

And the carousel rolls on...
Can't wait to hear the Jamaican accent.

[EalingGreen]

Lee Carsley will be England's Interim Manager for next month's Nations League games - The FA don't seem in any hurry making a permanent appointment:


https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1821127663844532613?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1821127663844532613%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[texidub]

Oh dear. The humblings keep coming. Nevertheless, I encourage England to keep their morale high.

[Fixer82]

Carsely would be the Irish manager if they were willing to pay him. While I'm not against Halgrimsson's appointment, it seems he was most likely the cheapest option

[texidub]

Maybe so, and he would have been a good choice, but managing the England men's senior team feels like a step too far... on top of Rice and Grealish in recent years. It's probably karma for all our poaching of dual eligbles over the years, but we did it out of decency and necessity whereas they do it out of pure greed :D

[JR89]

Think he'll get the full nations league for the FA to judge whether they might keep him on for the WC qualifiers.

Don't see Howe or Potter in a new jobs soon. Think they'll want to see what another FA guy can do with the team. If they are really open to the next manager not being English but having good knowledge of the English game might be worth their while leaving Carsley in charge for a few months and keep tabs on certain managers.

[EalingGreen]

It appears Pochettino is punting his CV round for the England job. Doubt his nationality would itself have any bearing in England, but having been to Argentina recently, it appeared that at least some people, incl many politicians, are obsessed with Las Malvinas over there.

I remember Carlos Tevez was so embittered that he refused to speak English, or buy into British culture, during his time in the UK, even demanding that his teammates speak to him in Spanish only:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/05/15/carlos-tevez-falklands-war-refuse-learn-english/

[John83]

We're going to archive this thread for now as it's run its course. Hopefully it won't be needed again for a good while!