Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[Stuttgart88]

John Fallon in today's Examiner:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-41320303.html

Lee Carsley was identified as the most suitable person for the post but discussions with the England U21 manager haven't so far reached a satisfactory outcome.

It’s understood that time will be devoted to the reasons for this blockage, which is considered retrievable rather than a flat refusal.

[Diggs246]

Well I agree that there are a lot of factors in his taking the job and if he doesn't I would have no problem with it. Just as I had no problem with him taking time away from international football to be with his family. I was disappointed but I respect his decision.
There are things more important than football after all.


John Fallon in today's Examiner:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-41320303.html

Lee Carsley was identified as the most suitable person for the post but discussions with the England U21 manager haven't so far reached a satisfactory outcome.

It’s understood that time will be devoted to the reasons for this blockage, which is considered retrievable rather than a flat refusal.

So is Carsely still in the game?

[Stuttgart88]

If Examiner is correct, yes. My instinctive view is that he's still a runner.

Ralph Hasenhüttl was suggested by Second Captains on Twitter earlier, just to stir debate.

[Diggs246]

Ralph H. Would be amazing

[Grafter]

The events of the last week are a fascinating insight into the malaise of modern journalism, the piggy back nature of it and the need for content correct or not.

[SkStu]

If Examiner is correct, yes. My instinctive view is that he's still a runner.

I love him again!!

[Razors left peg]

If Carsley was out of the running and the FAI were going to their back up option I'd be fairly certain that they would do that today at the board meeting and it would be announced that they have their man. The fact that they havent shows the Carsley deal isnt dead.

Grafter is 100% right that all the stories of recent days seemed to piggyback the Daily Mail story. Even the bookies reacted to that story. Similarly they all jumped on board a day earlier when someone reported that it was a done deal.

Throughout the entire process there have been no leaks from the FAI, and thats a credit to them. The only time there were any leaks of any relevant nature were when Carsley was supposedly talking to clubs. That happened at a stage when the process seemed to be dragging out and I speculated at the time that it was Carsleys camp trying to force the issue a little. Isnt it funny how he hasnt been linked with a single club ever since that 2 week period when he was linked with about 5.

Its not unusual for any potential employee who is head hunted to bargain hard. If a company wants you, you make sure that you get then to offer you everything you want before you accept the job, once you are in its much harder to get those things from the employer. Carsley is an admistrator too. He was Professional Development Phase lead for the FA before becoming U21 manager. Similarly he was head of Youth Development at Man City, so he is used to doing things his own way. He would want full control of his staff and be very clear about his role and responsibilities before accepting the Ireland job and Im sure he doesnt want any interference from Packie Bonner and his ilk.

I've been confident all along, even doubled down in the bookies when the odds shot up, and I think by this time next week we'll have clarity.

[Eirambler]

Would have to think the public/supporter backlash against Lennon hasn't gone unnoticed as well. Especially when they see political figures getting involved in the debate in terms of women's rights issues etc., that's got to be giving them second thoughts about going down that road and how it might impact on their own positions if Lennon's personal life became a national issue.

[DeLorean]

FAI give update on Ireland manager search after Abbotstown meeting – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-give-update-on-ireland-manager-search-after-abbotstown-meeting/a1804178514.html


"Despite strong reports from across the water that England U-21 boss Lee Carsley is out of the running, it’s understood that he remains a key figure in the FAI’s thinking. They met Neil Lennon last week and the Armagh native reiterated his interest in another punditry appearance while the board meeting was taking place but the extending of the process does not appear to be a positive for his prospects given his clear availability."

[seanfhear]

FAI give update on Ireland manager search after Abbotstown meeting – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-give-update-on-ireland-manager-search-after-abbotstown-meeting/a1804178514.html


"Despite strong reports from across the water that England U-21 boss Lee Carsley is out of the running, it’s understood that he remains a key figure in the FAI’s thinking. They met Neil Lennon last week and the Armagh native reiterated his interest in another punditry appearance while the board meeting was taking place but the extending of the process does not appear to be a positive for his prospects given his clear availability."
So, its Lennon then (wink wink)

[SkStu]

FAI give update on Ireland manager search after Abbotstown meeting – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-give-update-on-ireland-manager-search-after-abbotstown-meeting/a1804178514.html

it’s understood that he remains a key figure in the FAI’s thinking..."

sorry FAI but what is that supposed to mean? :D :D

[Eirambler]

Lennon really is the break glass in case of emergency appointment, isn't he. Doesn't mean we don't still end up with him though.

[CraftyToePoke]

sorry FAI but what is that supposed to mean? :D :D




It means the FAI have a massive hard on for Carsley & enough lube for a four year contract Stu. But it remains to be seen if Lee is actually in the mood or just a bit flirty.

[SkStu]

Some carry on all round if that’s the case. Absolute filth.

[seanfhear]

I think Lennon is the " Frightener " ~ Pretty much anybody would be more welcome than Lennon ~ So, it will be a relief that it is not Lennon.

[ontheotherhand]

If we end up with Lennon I hope the FAI have the decency to share the lube around because we are all properly ****ed at that point.

[Razors left peg]

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Paul Cooke looks like hes bursting to tell TOD the good news here. On his way to the pub for a heap of pints to celebrate by the look of him. Even turned back a couple times, dying to tell all he was :D

[ifk101]

Yeah no poker face there. And the smugness acknowledges the appointment of somebody with options.

[Diggs246]

This is good news. No question

[ontheotherhand]

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Paul Cooke looks like hes bursting to tell TOD the good news here. On his way to the pub for a heap of pints to celebrate by the look of him. Even turned back a couple times, dying to tell all he was :D

He looks like he's coming from the pub.

[seanfhear]

He looks like he's coming from the pub.
The FAI must still be doing free hospitality for certain people !

[Diggs246]

You wouldn't describe them as two peas in a pod would you.
The first guy is like your pi**ed uncle at a wedding and the second gentleman looks like you needs to go to the toilet

[punkrocket]

The long and winding road

[Diggs246]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/neil-lennon-being-backed-as-the-favourite-to-become-next-ireland-manager/a2127701767.html

They cant be this stupid

[ontheotherhand]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/neil-lennon-being-backed-as-the-favourite-to-become-next-ireland-manager/a2127701767.html

They cant be this stupid

They've shown us no evidence that they are anything but that stupid, at least in living memory.

[Diggs246]

So those two clowns in razors clip might have been celebrating a defeat!
Wow

[Razors left peg]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/neil-lennon-being-backed-as-the-favourite-to-become-next-ireland-manager/a2127701767.html

They cant be this stupid

Ignore the bookies lads, they know as much as us. As I said previous all it took was a €50 bet at weekend to change Carsley from 10/1 to 6/1

[backstothewall]

Is it possible that we're being bluffed and that Carsley or one of the other candidates is holding off until after the draw before taking the job?

How attractive a proposal it is will depend heavily on that draw

[tetsujin1979]

Does anybody know anything?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-remain-confident-they-can-secure-lee-carsley-as-next-ireland-manager/a666897757.html

[Razors left peg]

Does anybody know anything?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-remain-confident-they-can-secure-lee-carsley-as-next-ireland-manager/a666897757.html

I would trust Dan McDonnell as a source. Hes never pretended to know anything through the entire process. If hes now saying hes heard a few things I would believe him

[Razors left peg]

For the sake of balance, Mark McCadden is reporting that hes been told that Carsley has no intention of taking the Ireland job. Personally I believe Dan McDonnell more, but it cant be dismissed that its not a done deal yet and if someone is genuinely telling McCadden that it is slightly worrying


https://x.com/markmccadden/status/1753034322599117129?s=20

(Tets for the record, I tried to do the embed tweet thing and despite following your instructions Im still thick enough not to be able to do it)

[SkStu]

Here you go razor


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[SkStu]

I’m losing faith, to be honest, that it will be Carsley. The performances of Dumb and Dumber on camera the other night didn’t convince me that anything was really close or imminent. Came across to me almost as bluster and another way of interpreting Cooke’s energy was as borderline defensive or aggro v. excited/optimistic.

[Eirambler]

It certainly feels like there's a game of brinkmanship going on here over terms and conditions with different stories being released by various parties to help negotiating positions. I'd take anything with a pinch of salt at the moment unless it's an appointment confirmation from the FAI or a formal statement from Carsley ruling himself out (which there notably hasn't been to date). There's usually too many agendas at play in terms of the info that's drip fed out to journos while these processes are ongoing.

[Razors left peg]

I’m losing faith, to be honest, that it will be Carsley. The performances of Dumb and Dumber on camera the other night didn’t convince me that anything was really close or imminent. Came across to me almost as bluster and another way of interpreting Cooke’s energy was as borderline defensive or aggro v. excited/optimistic.

Dumb and dumber are anything but in fairness, even if they didn't come across well on camera. Both have extremely good resumes. Cook for example was CEO of Sunday business Post, while Keohane was CEO of Tesco Ireland and Bord Bia.

They might have looked like characters from D'Unbelievables but it's actually quite refreshing to see guys with that level of business experience involved in the FAI, and in fairness there have been few leaks so they might be running a tight ship

[SkStu]

Yeah, i know, and i agree with your perspective on their overall credibility. D&D reference was a bit harsh but my post was more about what they were saying, the words they were using, and how they were saying it, what their energy/body language was really saying. I could be wrong of course (usually am).

[backstothewall]

They might have looked like characters from D'Unbelievables but it's actually quite refreshing to see guys with that level of business experience involved in the FAI, and in fairness there have been few leaks so they might be running a tight ship

In fairness this is exactly how I would expect the Irish media to behave if they didn't have a clue what was going on.

IIRC correctly this is pretty similar to how things were in terms of mad speculation before the FAI revealed that Liam Brady was pulling the strings the whole time, announced Trapattoni, and left everyone to collect their jaws from the pavement.

I don't imagine it's that tight of a hold, but it feels likely that there are about 3 people in the world who really know what Carsley and the FAI are talking about.

[backstothewall]

Significant move in the betting markets on Neil Lennon taking over...

...as Aberdeen manager.

Price has moved from 16/1 to even money.

This could be great news!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/6361463/neil-lennon-to-aberdeen-odds-plummet-as-peter-leven-to-take-charge-against-celtic/

[seanfhear]

Significant move in the betting markets on Neil Lennon taking over...

...as Aberdeen manager.

Price has moved from 16/1 to even money.

This could be great news!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/6361463/neil-lennon-to-aberdeen-odds-plummet-as-peter-leven-to-take-charge-against-celtic/Lennon would be a great manager for Aberdeen (wink)

Actually if he gets the job it would be an opportunity for him to show that he can manage at a decent club.

[Razors left peg]

McAteer on TV saying he doesn't believe Carsley is interested in Ireland job

https://x.com/allirishsport/status/1753364710848602437?s=48&t=akaljSe4ydrwumxbzBxdHQ

[ifk101]

Have been trying to convince myself that if the FAI are lining up Lennon for the job, there wouldn’t be the current prolonged delay in making the appointment. But yes, I also think he’d be a great match with Aberdeen.

[nigel-harps1954]

McAteer on TV saying he doesn't believe Carsley is interested in Ireland job

https://x.com/allirishsport/status/1753364710848602437?s=48&t=akaljSe4ydrwumxbzBxdHQ

If McAteer said the sky was blue, I'd go outside to check it myself.

[Grafter]

Punxsutawney Phil, prognosticator of prognosticators has seen his shadow and predicts 6 more weeks of indecision....

[EalingGreen]

Miguel Delaney in today's (UK) Independent:

"It’s remarkable how fast-moving an otherwise glacial pursuit [of a new ROI manager] went in the last week. About a week ago, Lee Carsley was being talked about in Ireland as almost a certainty to be next Ireland manager. That changed in the space of 24 hours, as sources within the Football Association were adamant their highly-rated under-21 coach was going nowhere. Neil Lennon was then being talked about as the next certainty and talks had gone fairly well. There was some anticipation that might be sorted by Monday but the Football Association of Ireland have decided to keep looking. There’s now a sense, once again, that Carsley isn’t completely off the table. There are still lines of dialogue, not to mention his former Irish international teammates lobbying for the one-time midfielder to get the job. The Irish federation would have to considerably up their offer, though. Word reaches this newsletter that they spoke to a few bigger names - and one huge name - only for the candidates to be put off by the financial offer. It is understood to be around £300,000 to £400,000 a year, although there may now be more room for manoeuvre."

Wonder who the "huge" name was?

[NeverFeltBetter]

It wouldn't surprise me if they reached out to the likes of Flick to gauge possible interest.

[Diggs246]

[QUOTE=EalingGreen;2175606]Miguel Delaney in today's (UK) Independent:

"It’s remarkable how fast-moving an otherwise glacial pursuit [of a new ROI manager] went in the last week. About a week ago, Lee Carsley was being talked about in Ireland as almost a certainty to be next Ireland manager. That changed in the space of 24 hours, as sources within the Football Association were adamant their highly-rated under-21 coach was going nowhere. Neil Lennon was then being talked about as the next certainty and talks had gone fairly well. There was some anticipation that might be sorted by Monday but the Football Association of Ireland have decided to keep looking. There’s now a sense, once again, that Carsley isn’t completely off the table. There are still lines of dialogue, not to mention his former Irish international teammates lobbying for the one-time midfielder to get the job. The Irish federation would have to considerably up their offer, though. Word reaches this newsletter that they spoke to a few bigger names - and one huge name - only for the candidates to be put off by the financial offer. It is understood to be around £300,000 to £400,000 a year, although there may now be more room for manoeuvre."


They can put their hands back into their miserable pockets with those figures 400k is less then Stephan kenny salary

[Stuttgart88]

It wouldn't surprise me if they reached out to the likes of Flick to gauge possible interest.That's a small name :)

[backstothewall]

Neil Lennon is my 2nd favourite candidate for the job. Everyone else is in joint 1st.

I think I'd actually prefer to have Kenny or Staunton back.

[SkStu]

Vennegoor of Hesselink would be a fairly huge name.

[Diggs246]

That's a small name :)

Herr Flick and his assistant Von Smallhausen