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Snapshot
17/04/2024, 1:47 PM
It's not intended as vitriol, just an assessment of the situation. O'Shea isn't qualified to do this job, he has been part of a number of unsuccessful coaching setups over the last few years, in addition to showing nothing of note in his games as interim manager.
If he ends up in the job he will be seen now as the appointment of last resort, there's no other way of looking at it. That will weaken his position from day one. Yet he seems happy to sit tight and hope the FAI fail spectacularly enough that he ends up getting the gig.
He should walk away now and earn the appointment in future through actually achieving some coaching success of note.
It's not an assessment, it's a character assassination. You've created a ridiculous scenario with O'Shea cast as some conniving Uriah Heep lurking in the shadows. Well, he's not. You have no way of knowing he'd be a last-resort appointment - and even if that were the case he should be judged on results and not jaundiced preconceptions.
With our budget and our mess of an association we are not going to attract any manager that doesn't come with some baggage, a spotty record, past best before date or is unproven. Whoever is announced and whenever is likely to be imperfect and grossly underwhelming to the masses. At that point, it becomes a matter of who is the best of that bad bunch. I think O'Shea is bottom of that list - fluffed audition, no experience and I think would be not much better than having retained SK. Bruce, Lennon probably next worst. Even Carsley is largely unproven although seems a decent gamble. Andersson and Sagnol would be intriguing, have potential and would get bums in seats.
Crosby87
17/04/2024, 2:16 PM
What is the salary they are offering?
Eirambler
17/04/2024, 2:27 PM
It's not an assessment, it's a character assassination. You've created a ridiculous scenario with O'Shea cast as some conniving Uriah Heep lurking in the shadows. Well, he's not. You have no way of knowing he'd be a last-resort appointment - and even if that were the case he should be judged on results and not jaundiced preconceptions.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one I think. My view is that his position as set out in his quotes at the UEFA thing yesterday further reinforce the views I stated. You clearly feel otherwise, fair enough.
What is the salary they are offering?
Obviously the exact details haven't been released, but the suggestion seems to be that it's been upped to somewhere in the region of €700k to €750k per year. Obviously less than what most if not all managers in the Championship would be on, but on the other hand it's a much less intensive role.
John83
17/04/2024, 2:40 PM
All leagues will be over in May, so that managerial merry-go-round will also be in full flow. There will be lots of candidates looking for a new job.
The Premiership has had unusually few sackings mid-season this year, so the summer might well be a bloodbath. It could make it harder for the FAI to pitch with a lot of better jobs open, or it might mean there's a decent manager at a low point. I'm sure an ambitious CEO would be all over it anyway.
Oh.
Stuttgart88
17/04/2024, 2:46 PM
What is the salary they are offering?€550k p.a. basic I think.
Colbert Report
17/04/2024, 3:00 PM
A lot of reports I'm reading state that Chris Hughton has got the job.
seanfhear
17/04/2024, 3:35 PM
A lot of reports I'm reading state that Chris Hughton has got the job.Does anybody else even half decent want it ?
Not having a go at Chris Hughton there.
Diggs246
17/04/2024, 3:45 PM
A lot of reports I'm reading state that Chris Hughton has got the job.
Where did you see that?
Id be delighted tbh
Jolly Red Giant
17/04/2024, 4:09 PM
Like so many others, the question is whether Hughton could be bothered with it for the salary involved.
Money has never been a motivation for Hughton - he was the lowest paid manager in the PL when at Brighton.
NeverFeltBetter
17/04/2024, 5:26 PM
Where did you see that?
Id be delighted tbh
The Indo has had a couple of pieces in the last day, that Hughton has been approached again. I think if he turns it down they'll go to O'Shea.
Jolly Red Giant
17/04/2024, 6:23 PM
The Indo has had a couple of pieces in the last day, that Hughton has been approached again. I think if he turns it down they'll go to O'Shea.
The only thing that would stop Hughton taking the job would be if he feels he needs more time after finishing with Ghana. But I suspect that the Ireland job is the one job he would really like a shot at before he retired.
CraftyToePoke
17/04/2024, 7:52 PM
The only thing that would stop Hughton taking the job would be if he feels he needs more time after finishing with Ghana. But I suspect that the Ireland job is the one job he would really like a shot at before he retired.
Would he be any good do you think ?
Would you favour him ?
Razors left peg
17/04/2024, 8:02 PM
Robbie Keane would be a big PR disaster if they hired him straight from Israel so they won't touch him.
I think we are well past caring about PR look. The guy is about to win a league title and seems to be the best young Irish manager out there
ontheotherhand
17/04/2024, 9:55 PM
I think we are well past caring about PR look. The guy is about to win a league title and seems to be the best young Irish manager out there
We talking about Duff?
Razors left peg
17/04/2024, 11:23 PM
We talking about Duff?
I'd take Duff or Robbie in a heartbeat now.
Honestly I'm disillusioned with everything. I genuinely thought they were running a professional recruitment process. This week has shown that its worse than the Delaney days. Canceling the board meeting tonight is beyond belief. Absolutely believe that all Government funding should stop immediately until we get some answers from them of what the hell has gone on here. Has Canham just been conning everyone? What about Paul Cookes oversight? So many questions need answers
ontheotherhand
18/04/2024, 4:55 AM
I'd take Duff or Robbie in a heartbeat now.
Honestly I'm disillusioned with everything. I genuinely thought they were running a professional recruitment process. This week has shown that its worse than the Delaney days. Canceling the board meeting tonight is beyond belief. Absolutely believe that all Government funding should stop immediately until we get some answers from them of what the hell has gone on here. Has Canham just been conning everyone? What about Paul Cookes oversight? So many questions need answers
They are all conning everyone. I'd imagine anyone with a shred of integrity left during the Delaney years. I'd love to think there are a few good people in there working for the right reasons but there's been very little evidence of that. Scanlon comes across OK, if a bit naive. But whenever I hear anyone else there talk I feel like I'm being sold a lemon.
pineapple stu
18/04/2024, 6:33 AM
Nice summary from the Examiner here - https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-41375971.html
We really are back at Square One. It could yet be O'Shea because there's no-one else - yet it surprises me Keane, who is in club management and doing reasonably ok - has barely been mentioned at all. Some experience > no experience I'd have thought.
Hughton mentioned as taking a break at the moment. Could be seeing what happens in the summer when the club merry -go-round gets underway.
O'Shea not overly keen on interim in June either, so we might need an interim interim manager
Edit - the Indo is reporting we're making a fresh speech approach to Hughton.
But lots of stuff has been reported to date and most of it hasn't happened so...
NeverFeltBetter
18/04/2024, 7:47 AM
I think Robbie is not being talked about because the FAI know the ****storm that would kick-off politically, at a time when it seems the government is flying a kite on recognising Palestine. We've already had TD's criticising him for taking that job, but giving him the national team would really set way more off, and there would be calls to boycott the side before too long. The identity of our national team manager, and not just the hiring process, would become a topic for committees that have power over pursestrings. And that in turn would create conditions for "political interference" claims or however you want to call what FIFA selectively enforces. It doesn't surprise me at all that the FAI is just refusing to countenance that: they've already, seemingly, told Lennon where to go for his issues, and possibly Sagnol too.
tetsujin1979
18/04/2024, 8:38 AM
This, from Gavin Cooney today, is fantastic
https://www.the42.ie/fai-managerial-search-6356205-Apr2024/
seanfhear
18/04/2024, 9:09 AM
This, from Gavin Cooney today, is fantastic
https://www.the42.ie/fai-managerial-search-6356205-Apr2024/
A short summary please ~ Not everyone reads such a propaganda outlet.
tetsujin1979
18/04/2024, 9:42 AM
A short summary please ~ Not everyone reads such a propaganda outlet.
I can't summarise it any shorter than "is fantastic"
pineapple stu
18/04/2024, 9:46 AM
A short summary please ~ Not everyone reads such a propaganda outlet.
It's a Joycean take on the thread here really.
Except, ironically, in fewer words.
CraftyToePoke
18/04/2024, 12:06 PM
I can't summarise it any shorter than "it's fantastic"
Paywalled, fire it up tets, for the skinflints the cynics and the simply skint here.
tetsujin1979
18/04/2024, 12:25 PM
The usual paywall workarounds work around the paywall
John83
18/04/2024, 1:10 PM
"jocular men with the stammering unction of a Fianna Fáil TD" is definitely my favourite turn of phrase this week.
Crosby87
18/04/2024, 2:09 PM
Funny article.
Anthony Hudson LMFAO ?
Eirambler
18/04/2024, 3:43 PM
The article is great, but there's a serious point to it as well. Which is that "Mark with a C" Canham is now a joke figure who has lost all credibility and nothing he ever says within Irish football will be taken seriously again. He'll have to go once all this is finally concluded, if not before.
elatedscum
18/04/2024, 3:46 PM
The article is great, but there's a serious point to it as well. Which is that "Mark with a C" Canham is now a joke figure who has lost all credibility and nothing he ever says within Irish football will be taken seriously again. He'll have to go once all this is finally concluded, if not before.
How good an appointment would we need for all to be forgiven and trust to be restored? Are we talking Carsley, Barry or are we talking Klopp?
Joxerbrowne
18/04/2024, 4:25 PM
The usual paywall workarounds work around the paywall
Whats the website that does that again ?
Crosby87
18/04/2024, 4:26 PM
Not sure if this is accurate, but hearing the hold up is FAI investigating, purchasing , and implementing AI. This is the same source who told me (correctly) that Declan Rice still sleeps in Bunny pajamas, so take it for what its worth:
My source: (Translated from Mandarin):
"A few weeks ago, the FAI were having a tickle session to relive tension, and a few glasses of brandy afterwards. They slowly came to a conclusion...why hire a human manager at all? Ireland will change the game with an AI manager, able to compute every possibility in a manner of milliseconds. It can communicate with the players, foresee strategy based on a combination of the great managers in history, predict injuries, and order lunch....
...It is a flawless idea. Post game pressers of the reporters scuffling with what is essentially a computer program will be must watch TV the world over, and oh, it can never ask for a raise, requires no health benefits and will never leave for a better job. Now, the one big issue, which could cause mass panic is (redacted)"
I am actually excited about this. I think it's a great idea.
John83
19/04/2024, 3:59 AM
Whats the website that does that again ?
The site can get legal grief if people post that. A quick google should sort you out.
Eirambler
19/04/2024, 11:25 AM
Four minutes of nothing from Canham this afternoon replying to pre-agreed questions with rehearsed answers. Kilbane had this guy down to a tee - fake it until you make it. You can't believe a word he says, even when he's basically saying nothing. He's completely discredited now.
no longer any kind of deadline set - 'hopefully' by september. JOSH likely to continue as interim coach, but not yet confirmed.
no longer any kind of deadline set - 'hopefully' by september. JOSH likely to continue as interim coach, but not yet confirmed.
Willing to go 8 months without a manager and just send that manager into the NL with no preparation
Really making the job appealing to a new manager aren't they...
At this point they might aswell just give the job to John and accept they made a balls of the whole process. At least with John there's a chance we go into the NL with some preparation with him having 4 friendlies to prepare the side, we arent going to get a good option at this point. Just go with John, get rid of Canham and hopefully if we find ourselves in this position again we dont make the same mistakes.
CraftyToePoke
19/04/2024, 11:46 AM
It's here if you could embed it tetsujin1979
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Eirambler
19/04/2024, 11:46 AM
I can't believe he went public with that statement/interview/whatever it was without even having O'Shea confirmed for June. No reference to his blatant lie about contractual obligations last month, nothing but fluff. Absolutely nothing. He has to go surely?!
pineapple stu
19/04/2024, 11:52 AM
no longer any kind of deadline set - 'hopefully' by september. JOSH likely to continue as interim coach, but not yet confirmed.
Wait, what?!
That's so outrageous I'm tempted to report you for trolling!
If we assume the dogs in the street knew Kenny was gone before his contract ended, then we'll be a year without a manager.
No prep for a tough Nations League group - surely relegation favourites?
How long will the CEO search take?! (On second thoughts, based on recent years maybe we should experiment with not having one...)
CraftyToePoke
19/04/2024, 12:04 PM
I can't believe he went public with that statement/interview/whatever it was without even having O'Shea confirmed for June. No reference to his blatant lie about contractual obligations last month, nothing but fluff. Absolutely nothing. He has to go surely?!
Friendly room / environment.
Friendly interviewer.
Given the scale of this blunder, friendly questions.
He needs to face the pack of journalistic wolves he's made clowns of for half a year who couldn't find the new guy to tell us about because there wasn't one. Despite him saying there was and even giving an announcement window. I guess that won't be happening either.
Olé Olé
19/04/2024, 12:20 PM
Friendly room / environment.
Friendly interviewer.
Given the scale of this blunder, friendly questions.
He needs to face the pack of journalistic wolves he's made clowns of for half a year who couldn't find the new guy to tell us about because there wasn't one. Despite him saying there was and even giving an announcement window. I guess that won't be happening either.
Well scripted it was.
I enjoy how he bandies out three reasons why we can't secure a manager. None of them to do with his ineptitude, all the while other nations are well able to get someone in place.
On top of that, there was suspicion from the outside (fans) that we were desperate and a shambles - and prospective managers may have had the same and probably had it confirmed during their engagements (probably Carsley...). He has now basically admitted all of this.
So, he has to go. He can't possibly survive this.
NeverFeltBetter
19/04/2024, 12:50 PM
Absolutely think it will be O'Shea. They are hoping he gets a good result in June to justify it, the one he couldn't get in the last window.
Shocking situation altogether. An absolutely fundamental failure at the top level of the FAI.
Bring back Vera. She can go down in history I assume as the first to qualify for both WCs.
NeverFeltBetter
19/04/2024, 1:06 PM
Afraid John Herdman has her beat there!
elatedscum
19/04/2024, 1:40 PM
does anyone want to read posts 7 and 16 on this thread? it's all going to plan...
Eirambler
19/04/2024, 2:37 PM
Will be interesting to see if we get any reports in the coming days regarding how that "interview" was received at board level. There must be at least some board members who would want Canham to be stood down from further involvement in the managerial search process at this point.
I mean I'm not even joking at this point, literally give John O'Shea the job. Canham and the rest of the cronies behind this hiring process have made an absolute mockery of the job and any manager worth his salt will see that and wont touch it with a barge pole, I mean going potentially 8+ months without a manager is gone beyond a joke at this point.
The only thing they can do now to attempt to restore any credibility in the role is give it to John O'Shea as he seems popular with the players, been involved in the set up before and with two friendlies in the summer will have 4 games under his belt as the manager. Considering how much of a mess the FAI have made of the process he's probably the best option as any other option that comes in will have no time with the players or in the set up.
elatedscum
19/04/2024, 3:01 PM
I mean I'm not even joking at this point, literally give John O'Shea the job. Canham and the rest of the cronies behind this hiring process have made an absolute mockery of the job and any manager worth his salt will see that and wont touch it with a barge pole, I mean going potentially 8+ months without a manager is gone beyond a joke at this point.
The only thing they can do now to attempt to restore any credibility in the role is give it to John O'Shea as he seems popular with the players, been involved in the set up before and with two friendlies in the summer will have 4 games under his belt as the manager. Considering how much of a mess the FAI have made of the process he's probably the best option as any other option that comes in will have no time with the players or in the set up.
it'll just be stan staunton part 2. didn't see anything in those two games that made me feel like he has what it takes... the switzerland game in particular was so damning. didn't adapt at all to the swiss dominance of midfield and we continued to play a shape which had no hope of getting a result. everything that went wrong in kenny's reign regarding being too slow to make tactical switches repeating itself, without the self belief that we could actually beat a team, which earned us some of our better performances.
sbgawa
19/04/2024, 3:06 PM
By September we will be so glad to get a manager in place they will give it to Duffer or Bradser.
Roddy for Ireland manager you heard it here first..............even interim manager would be great craic
Eirambler
19/04/2024, 3:22 PM
The ONLY positive out of all this is that they haven't (yet) reverted to just giving it to O'Shea. We saw enough in the two games to know that he's nowhere near up to the level we require.
Murfinator
19/04/2024, 3:23 PM
I know people are fed up with this process and the FAI have communicated horribly with the public by setting a deadline they couldn't meet BUT a lot of new managers will become available in the next 3 months between the end of club seasons and the euros so now would be the worst possible time to give up and settle for JOS.
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