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geysir
20/03/2024, 2:25 PM
I was told there was a major news item about to break in Irish media today and there it was on the RTÉ front webpage 'Carsley rules himself out....'
Is it reading too much into it that his reply to the initial FAI interview was that he'd consider the appointment,
"There was a feeling that I would go and do a senior job after the summer but speaking to [FA technical director] John McDermott and other people, I’m committed to this campaign," said Carsley,
He might have been the coach to sort out a decent defensive midfield formation, even a 4231 on occasion. Now we can get back to moaning about that hapless hand ball against Turkey.
EalingGreen
20/03/2024, 2:41 PM
Also... i wonder why it took Carsley until now to say something if it was dead in November (though he has chosen his words fairly carefully I'm sure). No matter what way I look at it, he doesn't come out of this looking particularly good. But then again, why didnt the FAI also rule him out? Its a weird one.Coming from the Star, this has to be taken with a lorry load of salt, but they're claiming that Southgate is being lined up by Man U to replace Erik Ten Hag:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-southgate-tenhag-exclusive-32389130
Aside from the obvious, I could see why this would tempt Southgate just now i.e. have a good Euro's and he could leave on a high; have a bad one and, well, he needn't care too much (though it would add even more pressure on him at OT).
Either way maybe Carsley now sees his route to the big job with England sooner than he expected?
(Btw I reserve the right to deny posting any of this if/when it should turn out to be nonsense :cool:)
Even if his chances of getting the England job are slim to none he's right to wait until the summer to see what's happening with Southgate post Euros rather than take the Ireland job. There's been talk since the WC that Southgate will be leaving post Euros.
Also maybe Carsley has no interest in being a senior manager. The lad has an excellent job that pays well and he lives close enough to St George's Park too that it's an easy commute.
tetsujin1979
20/03/2024, 3:09 PM
Coming from the Star, this has to be taken with a lorry load of salt, but they're claiming that Southgate is being lined up by Man U to replace Erik Ten Hag:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-southgate-tenhag-exclusive-32389130
Aside from the obvious, I could see why this would tempt Southgate just now i.e. have a good Euro's and he could leave on a high; have a bad one and, well, he needn't care too much (though it would add even more pressure on him at OT).
Either way maybe Carsley now sees his route to the big job with England sooner than he expected?
(Btw I reserve the right to deny posting any of this if/when it should turn out to be nonsense :cool:)
That claim was disected on football365 earlier: https://www.football365.com/news/southgate-man-united-manager-overwhelming-favourite-mediawatch
Basically international break + man utd story = clicks.
seanfhear
20/03/2024, 5:01 PM
That claim was disected on football365 earlier: https://www.football365.com/news/southgate-man-united-manager-overwhelming-favourite-mediawatch
Basically international break + man utd story = clicks.What has Southgate done at club level to warrant even being a candidate for the Man Utd job ? !
Some would say that even what he has done with England, would not be enough to warrant him being a candidate for the Man Utd job ~ ~ Man Utd are in a mess and have been for a very long time ~ ~ I am not sure any manager can take them back to the top, without huge long term spending, and all the money you need for that and more ! !
What has Southgate done at club level to warrant even being a candidate for the Man Utd job ? !
Some would say that even what he has done with England, would not be enough to warrant him being a candidate for the Man Utd job ~ ~ Man Utd are in a mess and have been for a very long time ~ ~ I am not sure any manager can take them back to the top, without huge long term spending, and all the money you need for that and more ! !
He's only being linked because he's English. Brexit Jim has went on about signing more English talent for United and wanted to appoint Graham Potter at Nice. Chances are Potter might well be the next manager after Ten Hag.
backstothewall
20/03/2024, 8:55 PM
I'm now more convinced than ever that it's Poyet. Though I will admit that the timing of his resignation does add some credence to NeverFeltBetter's Varadkar theory.
Jolly Red Giant
20/03/2024, 9:02 PM
He's only being linked because he's English. Brexit Jim has went on about signing more English talent for United and wanted to appoint Graham Potter at Nice. Chances are Potter might well be the next manager after Ten Hag.
Potter's connection with Man U is not through Ratcliffe but through Dan Ashworth. It was Ashworth who shafted Chris Hughton at Brighton so Ashworth could bring in Potter (he was appointed technical director in February and Hughton was sacked in May). If Potter gets appointed at Man U it will be because Ashworth wants him there. And to be clear - Potter has done very little to warrant being appointed Man U manager (Southgate has a much better CV and he should still be way down the list).
seanfhear
20/03/2024, 9:10 PM
I'm now more convinced than ever that it's Poyet. Though I will admit that the timing of his resignation does add some credence to NeverFeltBetter's Varadkar theory.The Varadkar and Kylie Minogue dream team ! !
Eirambler
21/03/2024, 5:56 AM
Yeah, the more I think about it now, the more it looks like it will be Poyet. Especially if you look at his comments earlier in the year
"To manage a national team like that would be a privilege, and to play with that support would be spectacular.
"Saying that, right now, the timing is not right. I have got the play-off, I am focused on the play-off.
I don't think he had agreed the job at that point, but that's pretty much exactly what you'd expect someone who wants it but doesn't want to say it while employed by Greece to say.
Throw in that there doesn't seem to be any further comments beyond that and that Greece haven't offered him a new contract and therefore his contract runs out in 10 days and it does seem to all add up to Poyet being the man.
Unless the FAI are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat with Sagnol. That would be impressive, and therefore I fear it's beyond the capabilities of the association.
ifk101
21/03/2024, 11:58 AM
Was listening to a Swedish football podcast this morning, and Janne Andersson (former Swedish manager) said that if everything falls into place, he expects to be appointed as an international manager next week. Very doubtful it's Ireland, as results wise he's as much as a failure as Kenny, but it's been all wild guessing with the names up to now so who knows ...
irishfan86
21/03/2024, 12:44 PM
Was listening to a Swedish football podcast this morning, and Janne Andersson (former Swedish manager) said that if everything falls into place, he expects to be appointed as an international manager next week. Very doubtful it's Ireland, as results wise he's as much as a failure as Kenny, but it's been all wild guessing with the names up to now so who knows ...
Comparing him to Kenny is pretty dubious. He had a very successful first half of his time with Sweden, bringing them to the quarter finals of a World Cup. If you look through his results — his Swedish teams beat a lot of top nations in key matches as well over the years. In comparison with some of the other names floated, I think we could do a lot worse than Andersson.
Eirambler
21/03/2024, 12:55 PM
I don't think it can be him though, as what reason would there have been to hold off until April? We're told that our man has existing contractual commitments which would seem to rule out Andersson.
(Incidentally as Sweden manager he qualified them for both the Euros and the World Cup, leading them to the knockouts both times, including the World Cup quarter finals, as well as winning a Nations League B group before it went wrong on him. That's more of a Jack Charlton record than it is a Stephen Kenny one!)
Interesting how several players and other irish football people have been bigging up o'shea anad saying he could do the job full time. Fair enough he's a new manager and that's part and parcel of media duties, and maybe it's the way it's been reported but I've read comments from at least Coleman, Nathan Collins, Killian Phillips and now Crawford - https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/i-was-certainly-impressed-ireland-u-21-boss-jim-crawford-sees-john-oshea-as-having-right-skill-set-to-succeed/a1605538878.html - praising josh.
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 3:26 PM
The contractual thing until April might not mean what we think it does. Instead of someone being employed until now, what if it is someone who was fired and in order to receive payoff they couldnt be in employment for a year or something like that.
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 4:29 PM
The contractual thing until April might not mean what we think it does. Instead of someone being employed until now, what if it is someone who was fired and in order to receive payoff they couldnt be in employment for a year or something like that.
Like laughing at your own jokes, replying to your own post is weird, but.... I looked it up. Graham Potter fired April 2nd last season. Not saying anything else other than it's just a new theory
John83
21/03/2024, 5:05 PM
He was on something like ten million a year. For all that he's now on no million a year, I think it's a stretch.
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 5:06 PM
I'm not gonna make an argument for him, it's probably not... but we would have also said no hope of Trapattoni
seanfhear
21/03/2024, 5:26 PM
Poyet seems more realistic !
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 5:29 PM
Poyet seems more realistic !
Far more realistic, but I'm just clinging to any hope it's not him :)
NeverFeltBetter
21/03/2024, 6:08 PM
Even if it never happens, Potter is being talked about for jobs like the Manchester United one, which presumably come with a salary in the many millions. Him becoming Ireland manager would be a stunner.
I'm thinking O'Shea or Poyet now. O'Shea is probably super cheap and there appears to be a certain kind of groundswell forming for him, so all it would take for the tipping point to be reached might be a win on Saturday against Belgium's second team.
Eirambler
21/03/2024, 6:14 PM
We've already been told it's not O'Shea, so it's not O'Shea unless Canham wants to be seen as a total joke figure.
There was no need for them to be as clear cut as they were about it a few weeks back. If there was any doubt at all they wouldn't have come out and said what they said about a manager being finalised. So I think we can safely rule out O'Shea. I wouldn't read anything into people saying nice things about him, what else would they say really, it doesn't mean anything.
pineapple stu
21/03/2024, 6:28 PM
This all has the feel of an Agatha Christie whodunnit, strangely.
Red herrings aplenty. Plenty of random speculation. The obvious suspect startlingly ruled out just as it looked like he was about to be unveiled. So we turn to another name - maybe we need to read between the lines on some of the clues a bit ("The contractual thing until April might not mean what we think it does.") It must be Poyet; the commitments until end of March is a clue! A name we thought had been ruled out comes back in.
If this doesn't end with a press conference where the FAI take us through the process in the style of a Hercule Poirot denouement (with John O'Shea looking shocked as he's accused of being the man, only for the FAI to switch tack at the last and announce someone we never suspected all along), I'll be sorely disappointed.
Eirambler
21/03/2024, 6:29 PM
Sagnol's Georgia are through to the Euros playoff final, after beating Luxembourg this evening. They'll play Kazakhstan or Poyet's Greece, who's game against each other kicks off in a few minutes.
Might be time to start looking up the Kazakhstan manager's contract situation at this stage!
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 7:08 PM
The guys that are coaching in the playoffs are the obvious ones to look at, but they also could win and go to the Euros, so how could we get a guarantee for an early April appointment for any of them. That's why I suggested it could be a different type of contractual obligation they are currently under
Olé Olé
21/03/2024, 7:42 PM
Hopefully it's an attractive job for a decent manager. There are a number of players that are improving before our eyes at club level or just on an upward trajectory:
Bazunu - turned club situation around, incredibly young
Kelleher - performing at the top level
Scales - regular at Celtic, level debatable but going better than could have been expected
Omobamidele - breaking through at Forest in PL
Collins - not as steep an improvement but keeping his place in PL is good enough for a defender of that age
O'Shea - regular in PL
Ebosele - plenty more game time in Serie A
O'Brien - regular in Ligue 1
Knight - back to Championship and going well
Johnston - lighting it up at top end of Championship at WBA following spell out of Celtic team and uneventful spell abroad
Ogbene - flying in his first PL season
Smallbone - regular for Southampton, motoring along nicely now
Azaz - upwards move to Boro from Plymouth, yet to kick on there but on the up
Arguable ones would be:
Idah - in a better place than where he was at beginning of season
Ferguson - not ideal last few months but no concern and some memorable moments this season early on, will come again
Connolly, Parrott and Armstrong - hard to know where they'll get to but 23/24 better than 22/23 regardless. Not at the level of being options yet
MylesNotMiley
21/03/2024, 7:46 PM
Sagnol's Georgia are through to the Euros playoff final, after beating Luxembourg this evening. They'll play Kazakhstan or Poyet's Greece, who's game against each other kicks off in a few minutes.
Might be time to start looking up the Kazakhstan manager's contract situation at this stage!
Greece 4-0 up at half-time. We're on course for a Sagnol vs Poyet showdown on Tuesday - loser gets to manage Ireland.
Eirambler
21/03/2024, 8:26 PM
That's a serious scoreline from the Greeks. Kazakhstan have been much improved the last few years so, while Greece were probably favourites, a thumping like that would not have been expected at all.
Fixer82
21/03/2024, 10:08 PM
Is there a reason Chris Hughton is no longer in the conversation?
Razors left peg
21/03/2024, 10:09 PM
Is there a reason Chris Hughton is no longer in the conversation?
Yes....cos everyone but JRG thinks he's shyte :)
geysir
21/03/2024, 10:16 PM
Result of the playoffs was Iceland's 4-1 trashing of Israel under wily Norwegian coach Age Hareide who was Denmark's coach when they trashed Ireland in the play offs. He's 70 now and I have it on good authority that he's on a basic salary of Eur400k+. It beats me why the focus is on championship manager standard salary and why it is thought that Eur 750k p/a is not enough to attract a decent manager. Just look elsewhere outside Britain.
Fixer82
22/03/2024, 9:55 AM
Yes....cos everyone but JRG thinks he's shyte :)
I don’t think he’s ****e. Better than some names that have been bandied around
Eirambler
22/03/2024, 10:56 AM
Was listening to a Swedish football podcast this morning, and Janne Andersson (former Swedish manager) said that if everything falls into place, he expects to be appointed as an international manager next week. Very doubtful it's Ireland, as results wise he's as much as a failure as Kenny, but it's been all wild guessing with the names up to now so who knows ...
Hi lurker journalists!:blowkiss:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-41358463.html
https://extra.ie/2024/03/22/sport/soccernews/who-is-janne-andersson
This is absolutely mental. Two prominent Irish football journalists are now running Andersson as a live candidate for the job, I can only assume for no good reason other than ifk101's post on here yesterday. There seems to be nothing further to this at all. How desperate for news are they at this point - they've been absolutely had by the FAI on the manager search.
Would assume the Andersson stuff is off his recent comments rather than just his name being mentioned by Irish fans.
“I have received some concrete requests,” Andersson told aftonbladet.se.
“Latvia was concrete and I was hungry but it was a little too early.
“If it's the right thing, it can happen, but I also feel that I've become picky.
“I've had the job I'd most like to have in the whole world, so if I'm going to do something else, it must be the right thing.
“We'll see what happens but I have something going on.
“If everything falls into place, it will probably be ready next week. A federation job.”
So he's in talks with a federation and if all things go to plan it will be a done deal soon.
FAI want someone that will do some work out of Abbotstown and he's never worked outside Sweden. Might get a handier gig closer to home that's more part time unless the money on offer is better than others are offering.
Crosby87
22/03/2024, 2:26 PM
Sagnol vs Poyet showdown on Tuesday - loser gets to manage Ireland.
Eh, To Managed Ireland
Olé Olé
24/03/2024, 10:37 AM
I saw Brighton coach Gary Dicker tweet his attendance at the match last night. Last time he tweeted about attending an Ireland game was against Greece last June...
Paul Rowan has absolutely no info anyway. He writes a piece in the Times today speculating on Janne Andersson and even bothering to get quotes from Paul Walker in Sweden before concluding Andersson's desire to live in Sweden means he's probably not in for the Irish gig. Absolutely pointless article from a man who clearly hasn't a notion who is in the frame.
Poyet, Sagnol, Barry feel like the final 3 and I'm really saying Barry with more hope than anything.
Fixer82
24/03/2024, 11:44 AM
Paddy Power have stopped taking bets on next Ireland manager.
Perhaps we’re close
I saw Brighton coach Gary Dicker tweet his attendance at the match last night. Last time he tweeted about attending an Ireland game was against Greece last June...
Paul Rowan has absolutely no info anyway. He writes a piece in the Times today speculating on Janne Andersson and even bothering to get quotes from Paul Walker in Sweden before concluding Andersson's desire to live in Sweden means he's probably not in for the Irish gig. Absolutely pointless article from a man who clearly hasn't a notion who is in the frame.
Poyet, Sagnol, Barry feel like the final 3 and I'm really saying Barry with more hope than anything.
I really, really think its Sagnol. He's relatively young for a manager, 90 minutes away from a major tournament and a free hit at a tournament that Georgia would have no expectations at. I don't see any real logic for why he would be stepping away unless he had another job to sign up for. I know his team said the FAI hadn't been in contact but maybe that's just being said for legal reasons just like the FAI said they cant name their manager until early April due to legal reasons.
We have to remember Poyet is out of contract too but the difference is he just hasn't been offered one yet by Greece so it's not really the same situation.
tetsujin1979
24/03/2024, 12:42 PM
Paddy Power have stopped taking bets on next Ireland manager.
Perhaps we’re close
That's happened at least twice since the search began
Murfinator
24/03/2024, 1:16 PM
I really, really think its Sagnol. He's relatively young for a manager, 90 minutes away from a major tournament and a free hit at a tournament that Georgia would have no expectations at. I don't see any real logic for why he would be stepping away unless he had another job to sign up for. I know his team said the FAI hadn't been in contact but maybe that's just being said for legal reasons just like the FAI said they cant name their manager until early April due to legal reasons.
We have to remember Poyet is out of contract too but the difference is he just hasn't been offered one yet by Greece so it's not really the same situation.
I think it's Sagnol as well, the more I look into his tactical setup and philosophy the more he seems like a perfect fit for Ireland. It's a logical step up for him to make as well from Georgia in terms of salary and expectation.
His people dismissing the notion of an FAI approach might be technically true if he applied for the job rather than being approached, he always treated the Georgia role like a stepping stone position with his intention to leave after the campaign regardless of qualifying so it's fair to assume he was making his availability known for positions opening after this window.
Also he's preparing for one of the biggest games in Georgian football history so nobody connected to him or Georgia are going to say anything to Irish journalists which could cause a distraction.
pineapple stu
24/03/2024, 1:21 PM
Also he's preparing for one of the biggest games in Georgian football history so nobody connected to him or Georgia are going to say anything to Irish journalists which could cause a distraction.
Why would he already have agreed to leave a side he could be leading to the Euros though?
Murfinator
24/03/2024, 1:52 PM
Why would he already have agreed to leave a side he could be leading to the Euros though?
Career progression I assume. Regardless of the reason it does seem to be the case considering followers of Georgia have said so.
https://twitter.com/GeorgianFooty/status/1765472801732039031
pineapple stu
24/03/2024, 1:55 PM
That site looks a bit like a Georgian equivalent of foot? (Or maybe Kenny's Kids more accurately)
It's probably repeating what's been reported elsewhere (which isn't to say it's not true) and there's a comment on it we've been talking to Murat Yakin.
I think if he wanted career progression he'd give himself a chance of a good showing with a minnow at the Euros though. That'd attract attention.
(I don't expect them to get there for all that)
Olé Olé
24/03/2024, 2:19 PM
I must do a Google but someone on Off the Ball said that Sagnol had racism allegations made against him previously? Must do a check.
I'm still wondering if there is any chance it's Barry. And that O'Shea and Co stay in situ for June, hence why such a team was put in place. And maybe that some of them stay in place for Barry.
Wishful thinking regarding Barry perhaps. Same thing could be occurring for Sagnol or Poyet.
Is it most likely to be Sagnol really?
CraftyToePoke
24/03/2024, 2:50 PM
I must do a Google but someone on Off the Ball said that Sagnol had racism allegations made against him previously? Must do a check.
He racially profiled African and Nordic players as having certain qualities & African ones as lacking others. Said there'd be far fewer Africans signed for Bordeaux while he was manager because of the AFCON.
I'm still wondering if there is any chance it's Barry. And that O'Shea and Co stay in situ for June, hence why such a team was put in place. And maybe that some of them stay in place for Barry.
Think it was said that the incoming manager will be starting work in April and won't be double jobbing until the summer if he's already in another job.
elatedscum
24/03/2024, 3:59 PM
I’d be really disappointed with Sagnol. He basically had a failed job with Bordeaux about a decade ago and then managed Georgia who have a generational talent in Kvaratskhelia.
They got to that playoff by topping a group with Gibraltar, North Macedonia and Bulgaria. And their semi final was a win against Luxembourg. Came 4th in the euros qualifying group - which is pretty much par for what you’d expect by them.
So I really don’t see that he’s done a particular good job with either Bordeaux or Georgia.
Olé Olé
24/03/2024, 4:18 PM
He racially profiled African and Nordic players as having certain qualities & African ones as lacking others. Said there'd be far fewer Africans signed for Bordeaux while he was manager because of the AFCON.
Cheers. I rooted it out. Fairly warped comments. I'm sure our players of African heritage, including the 4 frequent starters in Bazunu, Omobamidele, Idah and Ogbene would be keen on impressing someone who comes out with this sort of stuff...: https://www.france24.com/en/20141106-bordeaux-coach-willy-sagnol-says-sorry-racism-comments-african-players
Sagnol told the Sud Ouest daily (http://www.sudouest.fr/2014/11/05/joueur-typique-africain-les-propos-de-sagnol-suscitent-la-polemique-1726757-766.php) [link in French]: "The advantage of the typical African player is that he is not expensive when you take him, he's generally ready to fight and he is powerful on the pitch. But football is not just that, it's also technique, intelligence, discipline."
OK… so which viable candidates do we have left who meet the conditions of Canhams statement (April contractual commitments), without being overly creative (looking at you Razor!)
- Sagnol (did some research on him yesterday, it would be a fascinating appointment really - things there I like but as ES points out a lot of ho hum)
- Poyet (i do think it might be him but it’s such a risky appointment for a very conservative FAI leadership - would be a wild rollercoaster ride)
- Anderrson (doesn’t really meet Canhams comment but his own comments are a tease, who knows what restrictions there might have been when he stepped down from Sweden. His style suits our culture)
Who else? Hard to see how it’s Barry - though his current roles are fairly narrow in scope and he may fancy the full meal deal.
Eirambler
24/03/2024, 4:45 PM
Cheers. I rooted it out. Fairly warped comments. I'm sure our players of African heritage, including the 4 frequent starters in Bazunu, Omobamidele, Idah and Ogbene would be keen on impressing someone who comes out with this sort of stuff...: https://www.france24.com/en/20141106-bordeaux-coach-willy-sagnol-says-sorry-racism-comments-african-players
Sagnol told the Sud Ouest daily (http://www.sudouest.fr/2014/11/05/joueur-typique-africain-les-propos-de-sagnol-suscitent-la-polemique-1726757-766.php) [link in French]: "The advantage of the typical African player is that he is not expensive when you take him, he's generally ready to fight and he is powerful on the pitch. But football is not just that, it's also technique, intelligence, discipline."
Think a lot of people in football would say the exact same things about players coming out of Ireland in truth.
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