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Would be great to see it happen but there seems to be some substantial stumbling blocks.
Looks like this is happening now D24, some signing !
2 Year Contract
30/12/2021, 6:46 PM
He’s said quite a few times he wants to come back and play for Shams
Seems to have turned them down according to this
https://t.co/PO5cIofgsq
pineapple stu
30/12/2021, 6:54 PM
Looks like this is happening now D24, some signing !
Yep, in the Examiner an hour ago (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-40775631.html). That's an unexpected one!
Edit - same link as 2-year-contract gave actually.
D24Saint
30/12/2021, 7:17 PM
Looks like this is happening now D24, some signing !
It would be a excellent signing. A three year deal is a major incentive if the deal gets over the line.
It would be a excellent signing. A three year deal is a major incentive if the deal gets over the line.
Looks like its almost a done deal, plus it seemed to have happened very quickly too after Daniel McD tweet last night, as I said some signing.
Only thing, he is 33 I read, still looks in very good shape, wonder what the contract deal will be at that age for a striker?
sbgawa
30/12/2021, 8:04 PM
Kelleher has the bit between his teeth for next season by the looks of it.
If this goes through for Doyle and looks like it will, its probably clear that Kelleher had his sights firmly on Hoban, up to the SOD Paavola.
Calcio Jack
30/12/2021, 8:13 PM
If this goes through for Doyle and looks like it will, its probably clear that Kelleher had his sights firmly on Hoban, up to the SOD Paavola.
More like Kelleher has his sights on using large settlement by SOD to pay for Doyle😜
Ha - could be right, but in fairness if this is a 3 year deal, Doyle will be 36 when its up, good deal for him and one he wouldn't get in UK.
Still if Pats get the best out of him for 1-2 years, still a good signing if they re-qualify for europe during that period.
patsdad
30/12/2021, 9:13 PM
Signing Eoin Doyle is a bit like when we brought Chris Forrester home from Aberdeen. It sounds very unlikely when you hear the first speculation but when it happens it makes perfect sense. Pats have lacked an effective no 9 since Christy Fagan. Georgie Kelly should have been the one but in his half season with us he never got going. Last season we played without one but we had prolific goal scorers in wingers (Smith, Burns, King) and midfield (Forrester). They’re all still with us apart from Smith who is unlikely to return to our league and has been replaced by Mark Doyle who outscored him last year. Now we have one of the most prolific 9’s this league has ever produced and we have Tunde to replace him in every game as defences tire and burn them with his pace. I don’t see a stronger attack in the league.
Of course there are still a few gaps to plug in defence and maybe one in midfield but I’m sure the next week or so will reveal all.
Now that Pats are back on the European money-making machine it looks like Kelleher is investing to make sure they make the most of it.
Jd2793
30/12/2021, 9:19 PM
The 3 year deal is probably what brought him back , its a bit too generous for a 33 year old imo but im sure pats wont mind dealing with the last 12 months of the deal if he produces and helps them progress in europe. Think he'll crack 20 goals next season.
Now we have one of the most prolific 9’s this league has ever produced and we have Tunde to replace him in every game as defences tire and burn them with his pace. I don’t see a stronger attack in the league.
Settle now PD, we all know Pats had Hoban as their no 1 target, Doyle is 33 and as much as Dundalk are re-building, (and believe me, A LOT of work to do) Hoban is still the best striker (by a distance) in the league, with back up from a hatrick cup final winner from 2020.
Doyle is a good signing, Tunde is excellent too btw, but come on now old son relax.
patsdad
30/12/2021, 9:48 PM
Settle now PD, we all know Pats had Hoban as their no 1 target, Doyle is 33 and as much as Dundalk are re-building, (and believe me, A LOT of work to do) Hoban is still the best striker (by a distance) in the league, with back up from a hatrick cup final winner from 2020.
Doyle is a good signing, Tunde is excellent too btw, but come on now old son relax.
I’m not claiming Doyle is better than Hoban (though he may well be). But put together the goal scoring records from last season of the two Doyles, Owalabi, King, Burns and Forrester and tell me where you see a better attack. Certainly not in Oriel (on signings to date at any rate).
2 Year Contract
30/12/2021, 9:51 PM
with back up from a hatrick cup final winner from 2020.
Although that’s a great anecdotal stat for any player to have, McMillan's 4 league goals in 32 games since returning from his disaster in Scotland is probably the more relevant stat to go on
Doyle is better than Hoban. That is not a big statement to make, Hoban failed miserably at a level Doyle succeeded comfortably at. Doyle also succeeded at a higher level again.
I know it isn’t black and white but to me Doyle certainly a better player than Hoban, and considerably so.
placid casual
30/12/2021, 10:18 PM
sorry i couldnt let that go.
Eoin Doyle is considerably a better striker than hoban. Considerably. To suggest otherwise is just laughable in the extreme
I'm gutted he chose pats over Rovers, but if as it says in the link that pats threw money at him, fair play to pats and kelliher.
Tunde is another decent signing by them, btw.
if they could get a decent keeper and someone to replace lee desmond, pats will do alright next season
LOI101
31/12/2021, 12:21 AM
Great signing for Pats. I’ll add my voice to the list of those who think Doyle is better than Hoban. The length of contract might raise eyebrows. He’ll be 37 a month into the third season. Do you get hung up on details like that and possibly not sign a striker of his caliber? I’d rather sign him. Three year deal part of the attraction for the player and I’d imagine he’ll do enough over the length of the deal to have been worth it.
patsdad
31/12/2021, 7:00 AM
Great signing for Pats. I’ll add my voice to the list of those who think Doyle is better than Hoban. The length of contract might raise eyebrows. He’ll be 37 a month into the third season. Do you get hung up on details like that and possibly not sign a striker of his caliber? I’d rather sign him. Three year deal part of the attraction for the player and I’d imagine he’ll do enough over the length of the deal to have been worth it.
I don’t disagree with you but just to point out he will be 34 in March so he’ll be 36, not 37, in his third season.
Jd2793
31/12/2021, 9:30 AM
the 3rd year of the contract is probably what sold doyle the deal. i wouldnt be a fan of the 3 year deal given his age but pats wont mind the trade off and swallowing that 3rd year if he produces for the first 2 seasons and helps them in europe. hes easily a 20 goal striker at this level .
Bunny Kelly
31/12/2021, 9:47 AM
These deals are how clubs go broke, having a 36year old on the decline as close to your highest paid player is not the right way to run your club, he may do fine year one but these deals never work out well for the club over the course of the deal
Jd2793
31/12/2021, 9:57 AM
These deals are how clubs go broke, having a 36year old on the decline as close to your highest paid player is not the right way to run your club, he may do fine year one but these deals never work out well for the club over the course of the deal
A run in europe pays for his 3 years. They'll have 2 seasons to get it from him but I wouldnt say its unlikely its paid back. hes been a consistent scorer in l1/l2 up until this year. Decline is inevitable but he's playing in a league thats much weaker on the whole than l2/l1 so the decline shouldnt come as quick.
Poor Student
31/12/2021, 11:08 AM
If he looks after himself it's not inevitable that he'll have declined that badly by 35/36.
oriel
31/12/2021, 12:25 PM
sorry i couldnt let that go.
Eoin Doyle is considerably a better striker than hoban. Considerably. To suggest otherwise is just laughable in the extreme
Proof will be in the pudding next season then, Hoban also have 3 years on Doyle.
pineapple stu
31/12/2021, 12:34 PM
Hoban's League Two record - 65 games, 7 goals
Doyle's League Two record - 132 games, 57 goals, which includes being second top scorer in the division last season. Even his Championship record - 57 games, 10 goals - is better than Hoban's L2 record.
Time well tell, for sure, but I think those stats more than compensate for three extra years. 33 is hardly past it.
WeAreRovers
31/12/2021, 12:52 PM
A 3 year deal for a 33-year-old is nuts IMO and I’m glad Rovers reportedly balked at the terms but to suggest Hooooban is in the same league as Doyle is laughable.
Would be very confident that Doyle will score shedloads of goals but that the ‘best attack in the League’ will once again be Rovers midfield.
sbgawa
31/12/2021, 1:16 PM
Hoban's League Two record - 65 games, 7 goals
Doyle's League Two record - 132 games, 57 goals, which includes being second top scorer in the division last season. Even his Championship record - 57 games, 10 goals - is better than Hoban's L2 record.
Time well tell, for sure, but I think those stats more than compensate for three extra years. 33 is hardly past it.
You got there before me with the Stats.
Hoban is a decent striker that was able to cash in on goals as part of a great Dundalk team that steamrollered most teams in the division. Imagine Christy Fagan or Gary Twigg up front for Dundalk in those years.
Doyle is a different class of player entirely.
Pats winning the Pre season again :)
pineapple stu
31/12/2021, 1:35 PM
Funny, on the stats I was surprised to see that Hoban has only 5 goals in 23 European games. That's really poor.
Agree the three-year deal is a bit of a risk, but (assuming the money involved isn't mad stuff) it seems a risk worth taking as it does seem to give Pat's the edge over Dundalk/Bohs in what we should probably start calling the race for third.
Funny, on the stats I was surprised to see that Hoban has only 5 goals in 23 European games. That's really poor.
Agree the three-year deal is a bit of a risk, but (assuming the money involved isn't mad stuff) it seems a risk worth taking as it does seem to give Pat's the edge over Dundalk/Bohs in what we should probably start calling the race for third.
McMillan has 14 Euro goals I think, (13 with Dundalk also), and yes that is a surprise with Hoban only on 5 euro goals.
I just think on all round play, there is no better striker in the league that Hoban, agreed his return in UK was poor but his hold up play and strength added to his domestic goals, I don't see anyone better even with Doyle coming into Pats, but its a game of opinions, still think 3 year deal for a 33 is a bit much, but time will tell.
Happy New Year all !
Martinho II
31/12/2021, 3:17 PM
Paul Hunt and Conor Barry in there now too. They've a very decent squad this season. Dark horses.
Also add Joe Manley to the list also he played for us last season in the top flight.
D24Saint
31/12/2021, 3:47 PM
Not going to weigh in on the whole Doyle v Hooban debate tbh. He is an experience striker who netted 19 times in league 2 last year so that alone gives reason to welcome his signing. The contract is a gamble but it was no doubt a huge incentive to sign in the first place. It’s an ambitious signing with eyes on European progression in mind.
osarusan
31/12/2021, 4:21 PM
Were Bolton looking to offload him? He still seemed to be in decent form for them.
I get people saying a 3-year deal is better than a 1-year deal, but it's not like he'd be on the same money. For all we know, he'd earn as much in 1 week/year at Bolton as he would in 2 (or even 3?) weeks/years at Pats.
sadloserkid
31/12/2021, 4:40 PM
Is it 4 in 20 in the league for Bolton this year? A pessimist might say that he's found the step back up tricky and that, coupled with his age, could raise a few questionmarks as to whether the guy is in serious decline. Time will tell obviously, I've no skin in the fight, but I'd be less sure than some here seem to be that he'll be a roaring success.
pineapple stu
31/12/2021, 5:00 PM
Yep, but he's their second top scorer too. An optimist would say double figures for a newly-promoted side (are Bolton still bankrupt?) wouldn't be bad. It'd match his last season at that level three years ago too.
Calcio Jack
31/12/2021, 5:01 PM
Were Bolton looking to offload him? He still seemed to be in decent form for them.
I get people saying a 3-year deal is better than a 1-year deal, but it's not like he'd be on the same money. For all we know, he'd earn as much in 1 week/year at Bolton as he would in 2 (or even 3?) weeks/years at Pats.
I’d say the move is heavily influenced by his domestic situation ; he and his wife also from dublin want to return ; three young kids for whom this is the right time to return ; plus he owns a major share in a crèche in Dublin
D24Saint
31/12/2021, 5:04 PM
I’d say the move is heavily influenced by his domestic situation ; he and his wife also from dublin want to return ; three young kids for whom this is the right time to return ; plus he owns a major share in a crèche in Dublin
He will find his return to the LOI child’s play so.
sadloserkid
31/12/2021, 5:35 PM
Yep, but he's their second top scorer too. An optimist would say double figures for a newly-promoted side (are Bolton still bankrupt?) wouldn't be bad. It'd match his last season at that level three years ago too.
I followed Limerick around for far too long to retain even a hint of optimism.
pineapple stu
31/12/2021, 5:39 PM
Ah, the joys of the League of Ireland alright!
Time will tell for sure. But it definitely adds more interest to the season.
Jack B
31/12/2021, 8:32 PM
I think there's reason for skepticism for sure, but if there wasn't this wouldn't even be happening to be fair. He was banging them in quite recently at a decent level and Bolton fans seem to have mixed reviews at this news though so there's enough to say it's at least worth the risk.
Still and all, we're in decent shape in that area of the pitch at the moment, but if you're talking challenging for anything then a goalkeeper, right back and probably two midfielders would still be needed. Considering we had about 2 players signed up at this time last year it's not bad going mind!
I think there's reason for skepticism for sure, but if there wasn't this wouldn't even be happening to be fair. He was banging them in quite recently at a decent level and Bolton fans seem to have mixed reviews at this news though so there's enough to say it's at least worth the risk.
Still and all, we're in decent shape in that area of the pitch at the moment, but if you're talking challenging for anything then a goalkeeper, right back and probably two midfielders would still be needed. Considering we had about 2 players signed up at this time last year it's not bad going mind!
Pats fans, get on to 'the men who saved football' DFC fancast, super line in the episode today 'Pats fans should be thanking SOD for winning the cup and getting into europe as opposed to their anger of him leaving'
(They also made the same point, Pats are in good shape too)
On that, I`ll leave you all to 2022, have a good one and we'll see you on the other side.
D24Saint
31/12/2021, 9:50 PM
Pats fans, get on to 'the men who saved football' DFC fancast, super line in the episode today 'Pats fans should be thanking SOD for winning the cup and getting into europe as opposed to their anger of him leaving'
(They also made the same point, Pats are in good shape too)
On that, I`ll leave you all to 2022, have a good one and we'll see you on the other side.
Nah bit like the Catholic Church praising Judas Iscariot & making him a Saint.
sadloserkid
01/01/2022, 7:27 AM
Pats fans, get on to 'the men who saved football' DFC fancast, super line in the episode today 'Pats fans should be thanking SOD for winning the cup and getting into europe as opposed to their anger of him leaving'
(They also made the same point, Pats are in good shape too)
On that, I`ll leave you all to 2022, have a good one and we'll see you on the other side.
I presume you chided these podcasters for talking about something that was, according to you, well and truly in the past even a couple of weeks ago? :D
Jack B
01/01/2022, 10:16 AM
Pats fans, get on to 'the men who saved football' DFC fancast, super line in the episode today 'Pats fans should be thanking SOD for winning the cup and getting into europe as opposed to their anger of him leaving'
(They also made the same point, Pats are in good shape too)
On that, I`ll leave you all to 2022, have a good one and we'll see you on the other side.
I don't particularly care for what it's worth, it's the nature of the league but at the same time part of the fun is getting involved and making a mad drama out of it. It was just the manner of it that leaves a sour taste really, assuming there's some foundation to even some of Pats' accusations. He's a good coach though and definitely was a large part of our upturn in fortunes last season.
joey B
01/01/2022, 10:55 AM
Daniel O’Reilly signs for Hamilton…
2 Year Contract
01/01/2022, 12:23 PM
Daniel O’Reilly signs for Hamilton…
Surprised at that, there’s probably 5-10 other centre backs in the league I’d have down as being better than him.
Edit: Just noticed that Hamilton aren’t currently in the SPL, makes sense as a transfer so
D24Saint
01/01/2022, 1:32 PM
Great day in the life , cup in the house for New Years. That why we follow our own and not premier league.
joey B
01/01/2022, 1:41 PM
Surprised at that, there’s probably 5-10 other centre backs in the league I’d have down as being better than him.
Edit: Just noticed that Hamilton aren’t currently in the SPL, makes sense as a transfer so
I had to check that aswell,mid table Scottish Championship side,I thought he was decent anytime I seen him last season,certainly improved since he was at us….
Bucket
01/01/2022, 1:58 PM
Great day in the life , cup in the house for New Years. That why we follow our own and not premier league.
Nice, enjoy it! It's 25 years since we won our last trophy, the League Cup second leg away to Cork in the Cross. You never know when the next one will come!
sadloserkid
01/01/2022, 2:02 PM
Surprised at that, there’s probably 5-10 other centre backs in the league I’d have down as being better than him.
Edit: Just noticed that Hamilton aren’t currently in the SPL, makes sense as a transfer so
Is Stuart Taylor still manager there? Presumably he still has a few contacts in the league.
I see Doyle starts today for Bolton, anyone know how that effects the deal to Pats, can he still move in the Jan window, or does this mean they have to wait until July?
Maybe if they can work something out with his current contract, he should be ok to leave, but not sure how contracts like that work.
sadloserkid
01/01/2022, 2:21 PM
Denzil Fernandes signed for Treaty from Shels.
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