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nigel-harps1954
24/12/2021, 10:50 AM
Tunde is a super signing for Pats. Suits the style of play, has pace to burn, and a great finisher.
Dreadful news for us though. We've a big rebuild on our hands.
D24Saint
24/12/2021, 10:59 AM
Happy with that one. He looks an exciting player.
Poor Student
24/12/2021, 11:26 AM
That’s our squad pretty much ripped apart,Will Seymore announced his departure over the last couple of days aswell, long slog awaits…
I'm expecting we might very well experience the same so we may very well be re-acquainting ourselves at the lower end of the league.
TonyD
24/12/2021, 11:57 AM
Always thought that division is a perfect fit for a LOI player, decent salary, not a bad standard and get to travel, some clubs based in warmer parts of the states too, I wonder is this the same division that Barrett and Kilduff went from Dundalk?
That league and SPL are great options for LOI players in my view, we also need to get away from England being the first choice, PL obv too high, Championship will only take the very best too, some of the less big euro leagues can be good options too, but probably less links for our players to go to.
Note to self 'Well done for not commenting on the Pats - SOD saga' ..........................yet !
Dan Casey, ex Bohs s at the club already. Lee said he’s spoken to him and that was a factor in choosing that club. Gutted that he’s gone, super defender, but wish him all the best.
(And you were doing so well until your last line there Oriel - nearly made it. :p:p)
D24Saint
24/12/2021, 2:08 PM
John Mountney has signed for Dundalk. An honest sort of player who had bad luck with injuries.
Tunde Owolabi just announced for Pats as well. Interesting one that, I actually missed the game where he scored a hat trick against us but anytime I saw him play I thought he looked a real nuisance, if a little rough around the edges in terms of end product.
Tunde will be missed a lot in Finn Park, took him a a while to adapt to the LOI but once her got his bearings he was immense. He is the kind of forward defenders hate just constantly running at & around them, and the one thing you guaranteed is 100% effort from him. Sound fella too, very down to earth
He wont exactly have far to travel Mountney, never actually left 'the town' - still living there.
patsdad
24/12/2021, 3:11 PM
Mountney was an important character around the dressing room at Pats but his return to Dundalk is understandable and Pats fans will wish him well. Still has a few months before he’ll be fit to play, though.
Derry are going to announce in the new year the permanent signing of a current Scotland (yes?!) international in what will be by far the biggest transfer fee and wage ever paid in the League of Ireland.
sbgawa
26/12/2021, 11:43 AM
Derry going for these Johnny foreigner types like Dundalk did.
He wont be expecting the weather to be so cold
Bohs11
26/12/2021, 11:52 AM
Derry are going to announce in the new year the permanent signing of a current Scotland (yes?!) international in what will be by far the biggest transfer fee and wage ever paid in the League of Ireland.
Like how Georgie Kelly (https://foot.ie/threads/270187-Games-week-20th-to-27th?p=2089334&viewfull=1#post2089334) was done and dusted (https://foot.ie/threads/261825-2021-Season-Arrivals-and-departures?p=2089757&viewfull=1#post2089757)? Or how Sloggett, Cleary (https://foot.ie/threads/226578-New-owners-at-dundalk?p=2094717&viewfull=1#post2094717) and Daniel Kelly (https://foot.ie/threads/271403-2022-Season-Arrivals-and-Departures?p=2097455&viewfull=1#post2097455) were en-route too? :D
Jack B
26/12/2021, 12:49 PM
"St. Pats twitter ITKs" appesr to be writing for The Times now.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5ce9dbdc-65c6-11ec-b276-7a5087e098a3?shareToken=d52c59fc9751d9b169dc28d4b8 bbf933&s=09
patsdad
26/12/2021, 1:02 PM
"St Pat’s claim the extension was legally activated in correspondence between the club chairman Garrett Kelleher and O’Donnell and Graham Barrett, the manager’s agent."
So we finally get to the nub of it. The contract had an option to extend and Pats activated it in correspondence with SOD and his agent.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 1:25 PM
The senior council named in the article Michael Cush SC looks a big hitter. A quick look through newpaper articles show him representing the state & Rory Mcilroy among others.
sbgawa
26/12/2021, 1:43 PM
IF! the contents of that article are true you can see why Kelleher is going full on to crush SOD financially.
Don't have any skin in the game but feel sorry for SOD on a human level, on the face of it if the article is true he was doing exactly what normally gets done in the LOI but unfortunately for him has run into a guy who is has a scary combination of principles and money
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 1:57 PM
I'm hoping this is scheduled to be wrapped up in the first quarter of 22. Id like to see the whole episode put in the rear view mirror. It will be very interesting to see the final ruling on the issue.
Derry are going to announce in the new year the permanent signing of a current Scotland (yes?!) international in what will be by far the biggest transfer fee and wage ever paid in the League of Ireland.
Ah but will his wages be bigger than the one and only Wilfred Zahibo ? If anything summed up P6's knowledge of football, he was it !
"St Pat’s claim the extension was legally activated in correspondence between the club chairman Garrett Kelleher and O’Donnell and Graham Barrett, the manager’s agent."
So we finally get to the nub of it. The contract had an option to extend and Pats activated it in correspondence with SOD and his agent.
Is activated different that signed ? Could only be activated from one side awaiting formal acceptance / execution.
2 Year Contract
26/12/2021, 2:42 PM
"St. Pats twitter ITKs" appesr to be writing for The Times now.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5ce9dbdc-65c6-11ec-b276-7a5087e098a3?shareToken=d52c59fc9751d9b169dc28d4b8 bbf933&s=09
An open goal has been missed by the lack of a Saint Stephen's Day pun in this article ;)
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 2:49 PM
An open goal has been missed by the lack of a Saint Stephen's Day pun in this article ;)
The Sun wouldn't have been able to resist.
patsdad
26/12/2021, 3:00 PM
It appears that the contract as originally signed by SOD gave Pats the option of extending it. In that case they would only have had to formally notify him they were doing so. Which it appears they did.
The documents will all be produced in court if it ever gets that far. No way would Pats be starting a High Court process if they didn’t have the documents as they’d just be throwing their money away.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 3:14 PM
he documents will all be produced in court if it ever gets that far. No way would Pats be starting a High Court process if they didn’t have the documents as they’d just be throwing their money away.
That would be my interpretation of it. It would be a gamble to take if we were on shaky legal ground. There will be no winners in this. If we win then a mans family could potentially suffer the consequences of his actions if he wins he has tarnished what he has previously achieved anyway. I thought I had seen a lot in my time in the LOI but this has been a particularly dirty episode.
Yossarian
26/12/2021, 3:46 PM
That is a very detailed press release from Pats in the paper. I particularly like Pats wanting to prevent Dundalk from approaching Pats players who aren’t even under contract. Seems to me like this is another attempt by Kelleher to force a settlement so O’Donnell can be construed as a guilty party. The example of Benson as the player who’s contract negotiation with Pats was delayed is particularly funny considering he only ever signed one year deals and always did so in the close season.
Jack B
26/12/2021, 4:01 PM
Mark Tighe - Pat's fan.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 4:20 PM
That is a very detailed press release from Pats in the paper. I particularly like Pats wanting to prevent Dundalk from approaching Pats players who aren’t even under contract. Seems to me like this is another attempt by Kelleher to force a settlement so O’Donnell can be construed as a guilty party. The example of Benson as the player who’s contract negotiation with Pats was delayed is particularly funny considering he only ever signed one year deals and always did so in the close season.
A somewhat delusional interpretation of an article from a known paper of record. It it was in the Sunday World then ok but the Times tends to represent the known facts, the known facts might not be conformable to certain parties but they are what they are. The courts will decide all of this & sooner rather than later hopefully.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 4:38 PM
Mark Tighe - Pat's fan.
Typical of the Dublin media.
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 5:10 PM
A somewhat delusional interpretation of an article from a known paper of record. It it was in the Sunday World then ok but the Times tends to represent the known facts, the known facts might not be conformable to certain parties but they are what they are. The courts will decide all of this & sooner rather than later hopefully.
Read the article again. How many times was the word "claimed" use. This is Tigue reporting on what Pats are claiming not what the facts actually are. "Known facts", Christ on a bike.
Kelleher trying to block transfers to Dundalk is comical and shows the pettiness of the man. Really hope O'Donnell sues for defamation of character.
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 5:14 PM
It appears that the contract as originally signed by SOD gave Pats the option of extending it. In that case they would only have had to formally notify him they were doing so. Which it appears they did.
The documents will all be produced in court if it ever gets that far. No way would Pats be starting a High Court process if they didn’t have the documents as they’d just be throwing their money away.
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
total hoofball
26/12/2021, 5:22 PM
I would find it incredible to believe that O'Donnell/agency/solicitor agreed to a clause on his original contract in 2019 that Pats could just notify him at the end of the contract they can activate an extension of another 2 years without any signed agreement
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 5:23 PM
Really hope O'Donnell sues for defamation of character.
Needed a good laugh today with the lack of comedy on TV.
total hoofball
26/12/2021, 5:23 PM
Aodh Dervin announced for Shels
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 5:26 PM
I would find it incredible to believe that O'Donnell/agency/solicitor agreed to a clause on his original contract in 2019 that Pats could just notify him at the end of the contract they can activate an extension of another 2 years without any signed agreement
Its believable in context of a under qualified candidate looking for his first chance on the coaching ladder. Put yourself in a similar job position. The man held no coaching positions until our owner took a chance on him as he believed in him.
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 5:28 PM
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
Needed a good laugh today with the lack of comedy on TV.
Employee hands in notice as per terms of his contract. Billionaire bigwig owner throws a strop and tries to destroy his career. Maybe you are looking in the wrong direction when questioning someone's character
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 5:31 PM
Employee hands in notice as per terms of his contract. Billionaire bigwig owner throws a strop and tries to destroy his career. Maybe you are looking in the wrong direction when questioning someone's character
So you would be happy with your head coach being in secret negotiation's with another club days before a cup final, come on ?
pineapple stu
26/12/2021, 5:31 PM
Employee hands in notice as per terms of his contract.
Citation needed...
patsdad
26/12/2021, 5:31 PM
Layman’s summary of what Pats are claiming their “correspondence” shows:
Kelleher: Just confirming we are activating the extension in your contract.
SOD and/or agent: Right so.
If any Dundalk fan thinks Kelleher would be going to the High Court without having that under his arm, I admire your optimism.
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 5:32 PM
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
Its believable in context of a under qualified candidate looking for his first chance on the coaching ladder. Put yourself in a similar job position. The man held no coaching positions until our owner took a chance on him as he believed in him.
He conducted opposition analytics for Dundalk and was manager of DKIT. Regardless of this, if you believe anybody would sign a contract that could automatically be renewed without their consent you are deluded. Nobody would sign this regardless of what job position they are in
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 5:34 PM
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
So you would be happy with your head coach being in secret negotiation's with another club days before a cup final, come on ?
Of course I wouldn't but that's football. You were playing Bohs however, not like there was a conflict of interest there.
patsdad
26/12/2021, 5:38 PM
He conducted opposition analytics for Dundalk and was manager of DKIT. Regardless of this, if you believe anybody would sign a contract that could automatically be renewed without their consent you are deluded. Nobody would sign this regardless of what job position they are in
Actually it’s far from unusual in football contracts. The club has an option to extend. The duration of the extension is set out in the contract. In signing the contract, the person is consenting to the extension if it’s activated.
Happy with that one. He looks an exciting player.
Tunde ? Yes he's a fine player, big strong lad too that can hold the ball up, definitely a good signing for Pats.
Longfordian
26/12/2021, 5:40 PM
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
Not true I'm afraid. It could easily be agreed to in the original contract. Man United for example insert one way options into players contracts all the time and just notify them that they've taken up the option. As long as the other party is aware of its existence there's no reason why it couldn't be valid. What may be up for debate is whether and how it was activated and whether that was in line with the original clause.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 5:42 PM
Of course I wouldn't but that's football. You were playing Bohs however, not like there was a conflict of interest there.
I've said it before on here that if he wanted to leave, then he & Dundalk should have used proper procedure. If Dundalk used proper channels while it would have been unpleasant to us it would ultimately have been accepted id reckon. We don't want anyone at our club that doesn't want to be here. If he didn't appreciate the backup and respect he received at our club then good luck. I'm not naïve to how cutthroat football can be but there is certain limitations to what is deemed acceptable conduct even among rival clubs.
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 5:47 PM
Tunde ? Yes he's a fine player, big strong lad too that can hold the ball up, definitely a good signing for Pats.
Yeah looks an interesting signing. We have been lacking a good goal scorer since Christy Fagan left. Hoping he can fulfil the role.
patsdad
26/12/2021, 5:53 PM
I will say one thing in partial defence of Stephen O’Donnell. He is a footballer learning to be a manager. He couldn’t have been expected to have been expert in the implications of contracts. If, as Pats claim (and if they’re quoting dates of meetings I presume they have their evidence) he was in negotiations with Dundalk for some time while supposed to be acting in the best interest of his employer, the spotlight needs to fall on the new owners of Dundalk - successful businessmen who understand the law and appear to have wilfully steered him into the mess in which he now finds himself.
Yeah looks an interesting signing. We have been lacking a good goal scorer since Christy Fagan left. Hoping he can fulfil the role.
A lot of us would have been worried that Hoban would have gone to Pats, if SOD was still there, that would have been a game changer loss for us, same time would been unbelievable signing for you, so relieved when he extended by 3 years.
joey B
26/12/2021, 6:05 PM
Aodh Dervin to Shels….
D24Saint
26/12/2021, 6:06 PM
I will say one thing in partial defence of Stephen O’Donnell. He is a footballer learning to be a manager. He couldn’t have been expected to have been expert in the implications of contracts. If, as Pats claim (and if they’re quoting dates of meetings I presume they have their evidence) he was in negotiations with Dundalk for some time while supposed to be acting in the best interest of his employer, the spotlight needs to fall on the new owners of Dundalk - successful businessmen who understand the law and appear to have wilfully steered him into the mess in which he now finds himself.
Id imagine that is the next step if the initial proceedings are found in favour of St Pats. I think his agent has a lot a blame on his desk either way how the ruling goes.
Louth4sam
26/12/2021, 6:07 PM
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
Not true I'm afraid. It could easily be agreed to in the original contract. Man United for example insert one way options into players contracts all the time and just notify them that they've taken up the option. As long as the other party is aware of its existence there's no reason why it couldn't be valid. What may be up for debate is whether and how it was activated and whether that was in line with the original clause.
Unilateral contact extensions are a legal minefield. Check out this blog
https://www.asser.nl/SportsLaw/Blog/post/the-validity-of-unilateral-extension-options-in-football-part-1-a-european-legal-mess-by-saverio-spera
Longfordian
26/12/2021, 6:15 PM
I'm sure there are many possible arguments as to why they may be difficult to enforce but they do exist. A high profile case for example would be Pogba who is still at United because they triggered an extension of an extra year, and he was apparently ****ed off that they didn't offer a proper new contract at the time.
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