2022 Season, Arrivals and Departures

[DCSIL]

Mark Tighe - Pat's fan.

Everton and Harps going by his Twitter Bio, fortunately he stays away from Conspiracy theories or weird statements.

[DCSIL]

Aodh Dervin announced for Shels

How did he do for Longford last season, seemed to be their Star Man in the First and is a good signing for Shels

[patsdad]

Unilateral contact extensions are a legal minefield. Check out this blog
https://www.asser.nl/SportsLaw/Blog/post/the-validity-of-unilateral-extension-options-in-football-part-1-a-european-legal-mess-by-saverio-spera

There’s nothing unilateral about activating an extension already provided for in a mutually agreed contract.

[sbgawa]

Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.

Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.

Contracts work exactly as they are written. If SOD agreed to give pats an option to extend his contract then that's it

[oriel]

Contracts work exactly as they are written. If SOD agreed to give pats an option to extend his contract then that's it

Verbal v signed is a completely different case surely?

[D24Saint]

I think at this stage Pats & Dundalk fans should agree to a Christmas truce on the issue & leave this thread to LOI fans with their signings. The courts will decide the toss in the new year.

[Jack B]

Everton and Harps going by his Twitter Bio, fortunately he stays away from Conspiracy theories or weird statements.

Try telling Dundalk fans that lol. The long and short of it is the none of us know the truth of the specifics so we'll have to see what happens. However I'm glad it's been at least semi-proven to be the case that what certain Pats fans had claimed was the root of the issue is so, and Dundalk fans in the interim can worry about Keith Ward getting his penalty down from space in time for pre-season training, which will probably be taken over a zoom call as his head coach will reside in Mountjoy.

[Louth4sam]

Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.

Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.


I think at this stage Pats & Dundalk fans should agree to a Christmas truce on the issue & leave this thread to LOI fans with their signings. The courts will decide the toss in the new year.

Well that lasted 7 minutes.....

[D24Saint]

Well that lasted 7 minutes.....

Those minutes were a simpler time.

[LOI101]

If, as O’Donnell claims, the original contract contained provisions for it to be terminated with a set notice period then does it really matter whether the extension was activated or not?

[D24Saint]

If, as O’Donnell claims, the original contract contained provisions for it to be terminated with a set notice period then does it really matter whether the extension was activated or not?

The minister of finance once claimed that he didn’t have a bank account. In Ireland there seems to be no morals about what is reality or not.

[Martinho II]

Aodh Dervin to Shels….

Change the subject a bit. AD will be a huge loss to Longford Town FC. Practically the only local in the team we will have to start all over again and give local youngsters their chance all over again! Another loi player to come from the local feeder club of Melview FC. Hes small in stature but has the heart of a lion.

[patsdad]

If, as O’Donnell claims, the original contract contained provisions for it to be terminated with a set notice period then does it really matter whether the extension was activated or not?
If that claim was true then of course it wouldn’t matter whether it was activated or not and Pats would have no
grounds for a court case. The fact they’ve gone to court strongly suggests the claim is not true. Perhaps poor SOD thought it was. In which case someone advised him very badly.

[LOI101]

If that claim was true then of course it wouldn’t matter whether it was activated or not and Pats would have no
grounds for a court case. The fact they’ve gone to court strongly suggests the claim is not true. Perhaps poor SOD thought it was. In which case someone advised him very badly.

People go to court every day of the week. Some win cases, some lose cases. The initiation of legal proceedings shouldn’t be seen as proof of anything. Do you think everyone that takes a court case wins?

The fact is they haven’t gone to court yet. They’ve filed a high court action which has yet to be scheduled for hearing, determined or adjudicated on. Yet people on here think it’s indicative of something. All it indicates to me is rich guy can afford lawyers.

[DCWA]

Like how Georgie Kelly (https://foot.ie/threads/270187-Games-week-20th-to-27th?p=2089334&viewfull=1#post2089334) was done and dusted (https://foot.ie/threads/261825-2021-Season-Arrivals-and-departures?p=2089757&viewfull=1#post2089757)? Or how Sloggett, Cleary (https://foot.ie/threads/226578-New-owners-at-dundalk?p=2094717&viewfull=1#post2094717) and Daniel Kelly (https://foot.ie/threads/271403-2022-Season-Arrivals-and-Departures?p=2097455&viewfull=1#post2097455) were en-route too? :D

See this is the game could be made up but the slightest chance it isn’t, and it might get around either way.

[total hoofball]

Its believable in context of a under qualified candidate looking for his first chance on the coaching ladder. Put yourself in a similar job position. The man held no coaching positions until our owner took a chance on him as he believed in him.
It's not believable. So called under qualified candidate who would also be paid below market rate by Pats why on earth would O'Donnell commit to any unilateral clause that would see him rewarded at the end of the 2.5 years that Pats deem to be successful locked into exact same below market contract now at a shorter term of 2 years. Pats/Kelleher are trying to claim that an effective 4.5 year contract was signed with Pats having the option to continue/end it after 2.5 years

[joey B]

Sam Bone to Dundalk..

[2 Year Contract]

Sam Bone to Dundalk..
Can only assume that’s a gesture of goodwill by O'Donnell to Pats. Horrendous at right back and average at best as a centre back

[patsdad]

Sam Bone to Dundalk..

Good that he’s found a club. Nice guy but very limited as a footballer. Wasn’t being kept on at Pats.

[oriel]

Or if he had signed a new deal............... Pats fans 'Ah yeah happy with that, gives us some consistency with players moving out'

Did he not start majority of games last season including the cup final?

[patsdad]

Was third choice CB behind Barrett and Desmond. Then filled in at RB when Mountney was injured but was poor in that position. Pats now have Barrett, Redmond and Abankwah for CB and are in the process of signing a top-drawer RB so he wasn’t being kept on. SOD seems to like him. He is by all accounts a nice lad so
I hope it works out for him. I’d be more than happy to see him in the Dundalk back four when we play them.

[Jack B]

Would have been fine with keeping Bone but not fussed that he's gone really. His biggest asset was the number of positions he could fill, it's why he played so many games despite being second choice in each spot he played in. Think we didn't see the best of him as he's probably best as a defensive midfielder and he mostly filled in at right full and centre back.

[patsdad]

The other player brought in by SOD who is probably on the way out due to new signings (Owalabi and Doyle) is Ronan Coughlan. Interesting to see if he ends up in Oriel too.

[oriel]

Would have been fine with keeping Bone but not fussed that he's gone really. His biggest asset was the number of positions he could fill, it's why he played so many games despite being second choice in each spot he played in. Think we didn't see the best of him as he's probably best as a defensive midfielder and he mostly filled in at right full and centre back.

Dummingam probably same for us, could play anywhere across the back, you also think 'replaceable' but at same time really important to have these type of players in clubs, gives so many options.

Interesting on Mountney playing RF for Pats as he rarely played that with Dundalk, right side MF more his role.

Bone caused Dundalk plenty of problems last year, happy with that signing.

[patsdad]

Dummingam probably same for us, could play anywhere across the back, you also think 'replaceable' but at same time really important to have these type of players in clubs, gives so many options.

Interesting on Mountney playing RF for Pats as he rarely played that with Dundalk, right side MF more his role.

Bone caused Dundalk plenty of problems last year, happy with that signing.


For whatever reason, SOD didn’t sign a proper right back for Pats. So he had to shoehorn a midfielder (Mountney) and then a centre back (Bone) into that position and neither was a glowing success in the role. Sounds like he’s going the same route again unless you have someone else there who can do the job properly.

As of now we don’t have one but there’s still plenty of time and budget.

[Jd2793]

Dummingam probably same for us, could play anywhere across the back, you also think 'replaceable' but at same time really important to have these type of players in clubs, gives so many options.

Interesting on Mountney playing RF for Pats as he rarely played that with Dundalk, right side MF more his role.

Bone caused Dundalk plenty of problems last year, happy with that signing.


Dummigan is pretty good though, Bone is average at best.

[ToberonaTornado]

Maybe a Mod could could split the thread? Hard to keep up with all the Judge Judy/Judge Dredd/Jerry Jones et al .expert opinions and the actual signings now tbh!

[D24Saint]

I think Bone would have been a handy player to keep due to his versatility. His departure won’t have fans in tears either. I’d rate him as a solid sort of player capable of doing a job a rb & cb without excelling in either position.

[sbgawa]

Bone was decent at Rovers, good passing range , def more of a central defensive midfielder the a cb or rb. He is a bit immobile and struggles against pace when at the back. Decent squad player and I'd say that's why he has been signed

[2 Year Contract]

Bone was decent at Rovers, good passing range , def more of a central defensive midfielder the a cb or rb. He is a bit immobile and struggles against pace when at the back. Decent squad player and I'd say that's why he has been signed

Ironically passing was probably his worst attribute at Pats, particularly when he played right back. He never really went down the wing to put crosses into the box (probably due to his lack of pace and not wanting to be caught out on the counter) and every time he got the ball on halfway he seemed to give the ball away when trying to pass to his right winger. Due to that natural defensive position he’d take while playing RB, he’d be ready to defend all the time and did ok in that aspect (unless the winger had any pace) but his inability to attack leaves a big gap in the team offensively

[ToberonaTornado]

Ironically passing was probably his worst attribute at Pats, particularly when he played right back. He never really went down the wing to put crosses into the box (probably due to his lack of pace and not wanting to be caught out on the counter) and every time he got the ball on halfway he seemed to give the ball away when trying to pass to his right winger. Due to that natural defensive position he’d take while playing RB, he’d be ready to defend all the time and did ok in that aspect (unless the winger had any pace) but his inability to attack leaves a big gap in the team offensively

So very much like John "stay where you are,dont be crossing balls and we'll be grand" Mountney who he alludes to being like to in his interview with DundalkFC.com?

He'll be fine with a good coach who has stolen intellectual property coaching techniques no-one ever heard before.

[patsdad]

SOD is obviously a big believer in both Mountney and Bone and that will be a big help to both players' confidence. All I'll say is that right back was the main problem position in the Pats team all last season. Despite having the "good coach" you refer to!

[joey B]

Karl O Sullivan joins Sligo from us,every single bit of attacking quality apart from Barry McNamee now gone,depressing stuff….

[pineapple stu]

What's happening in Harps that so many are leaving? Might make things a bit interesting at the bottom next season with us and Drogheda (though they seem to have replaced a couple of their departures at least)

[nigel-harps1954]

Majority of our players have left for either a wage rise, or for European football, or full time football. We've still a handful of last seasons squad who haven't been confirmed as staying or leaving just yet either.

Can't blame lads for taking wage rises or taking on full time football. In Karl O'Sullivans case, it's a two year deal at Sligo as well.

There's nothing in particular going on at Harps, more so a massively underachieving side being taken apart by people who recognised as such.

We'll be fine though.

[joey B]

What's happening in Harps that so many are leaving? Might make things a bit interesting at the bottom next season with us and Drogheda (though they seem to have replaced a couple of their departures at least)

Foley-Move closer to home .
McEleney-move back to his hometown team,European football and playing with his brother
Coyle,Hawkins and Boyd-Full time football and closer to home in Boyds case
Tunde and O’Sullivan -Full time and European football.

All understandable reasons I suppose but a disaster for us and we’ll need Ollie to pull a few rabbits out of the hat again…,

[Jack B]

Alfie Lewis to sign for Plymouth, disappointing but not at all surprising. He actually turned them down to stay with us until the end of last season (according to his uncle anyway) so we did well to keep him as long as we did if anything. Will be keeping an eye on him in the future, great player at this level and easily looks good enough to make the step up.

[patsdad]

I think it was well understood by Pats' fans that his extension in the summer was a short-term thing to see out the season, but his future was always going to be in the UK. While I think that Kian Corbally (whose style is quite similar to Lewis) will get a fair bit of game time this season, I expect we will bring in one experienced midfielder to give competition to Lennon, Forrester and McCormack. I doubt there's a suitable candidate on the domestic market, it could well be another loan deal from an EPL club building on the success of the Jaros and Lewis loans.

[D24Saint]

I was delighted when he remained to finish last season. I didn’t expect him to sign back for 2022. He is a promising young player. Best of luck to him.

[joey B]

Daniel OReilly confirms he’s leaving Drogheda,looked very decent when I seen him last season,wonder is he following Clancy?

[joey B]

James Browne joined Blackburn,brilliant move for him that…

[nigel-harps1954]

James Browne joined Blackburn,brilliant move for him that…

That been confirmed anywhere Joey? Can't see mentioned anywhere.

[joey B]

That All things LOI page on Twitter had it up,maybe it’s just a rumour…

[2 Year Contract]

Eoin Doyle linked with a move to Pats in January. I can’t see it happening but I’d definitely take him as an option up front if possible

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/st-pats-lining-up-ambitious-swoop-for-bolton-striker-eoin-doyle-41193055.html

[D24Saint]

Would be great to see it happen but there seems to be some substantial stumbling blocks.

[nigel-harps1954]

That All things LOI page on Twitter had it up,maybe it’s just a rumour…

Ah, I got blocked from that page ages ago for calling him out on rubbish rumours.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Eoin Doyle linked with a move to Pats in January. I can’t see it happening but I’d definitely take him as an option up front if possible

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/st-pats-lining-up-ambitious-swoop-for-bolton-striker-eoin-doyle-41193055.html

He’s said quite a few times he wants to come back and play for Shams

[patsdad]

He’s said quite a few times he wants to come back and play for Shams
But he’s a big friend of Tim Clancy from their time together at Hibernian.

This has a chance of happening. It would be a major statement by St Pats.

https://twitter.com/eoindoyle88/status/1466064555440848903?s=21

[2 Year Contract]

Dinny Corcoran has signed for Wexford. A few players there now that have good premier division experience in Corcoran, Lorcan Fitzgerald, Conor Davis and Aaron Dobbs

[nigel-harps1954]

Dinny Corcoran has signed for Wexford. A few players there now that have good premier division experience in Corcoran, Lorcan Fitzgerald, Conor Davis and Aaron Dobbs

Paul Hunt and Conor Barry in there now too. They've a very decent squad this season. Dark horses.