Stephen Kenny

[seanfhear]

"Three of the least feared strikers across three divisions" is what was posted. That is different to them not being "remotely feared strikers." I am very sure there are plenty strikers that are less feared in the three divisions.
At least they have the element of surprise on their side !

[pineapple stu]

"Three of the least feared strikers across three divisions" is what was posted. That is different to them not being "remotely feared strikers." I am very sure there are plenty strikers that are less feared in the three divisions.
You would struggle to find too many of them.

Either way, it may be a little bit exaggerated or tongue-in-cheek, but it certainly isn't "mind boggling ignorance" as you suggested. It's pretty close to being the truth.

[passinginterest]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-40234415.html

New assistant to replace Duff. Anthony Barry, coach at Chelsea and previously worked with Paul Cooke at Wigan. Not someone I've heard of, but good to see a different name there and it sounds like he's highly thought of.

https://talksport.com/football/784750/anthony-barry-chelsea-defence-five-clean-sheets/

this is interesting, credited for doing a lot of work with Chelsea in terms of set pieces. Something that's arguably a Kenny weakness.

Apparently he was also recently offered the Fleetwood manager job but turned it down (after the Lampard sacking at Chelsea) so he's clearly in demand. Might not stay around too long would be the worry.

[geysir]

Looks a very interesting appointment, even imaginative.
According to Wikipedia, he's still a first team coach with Chelsea.
I take it that he'll be a concurrent coach.

[Olé Olé]

Dan McDonnell covered the story today in the Indo. He stated that Kenny wanted a young coach, operating at a high level and on top of trends and developments. Apparently Barry was on the same pro licence course as Lampard and Jody Morris and was marked out as the star pupil on the course. So when Lampard took the Chelsea job, he made the approach to Barry who had three years of experience at Wigan at that point. The piece states that there is a feeling that's Chelsea are happy for him to broaden his experience and points to the example of Steve Holland, who managed roles at Chelsea and with England for 8 years.

An interesting little comparison was made with Duff and how Duff's top level experience was at Celtic whilst Barry is coming from Chelsea. I think the impression is that, as well as being a better team with better players, the set up is far superior at Chelsea. It's very difficult for anyone to say who is a better coach and we all know Duff was a better player and a bigger name.

But, overall, it smells like a really good appointment to me.

[Olé Olé]

Having been previously unaware as to who Barry even was, I am seeing him now being the man to provide detailed instructions to Chelsea substitutes before they enter the fray. That's surely an indication that he's an important part of their set up. Interesting.

[seanfhear]

Having been previously unaware as to who Barry even was, I am seeing him now being the man to provide detailed instructions to Chelsea substitutes before they enter the fray. That's surely an indication that he's an important part of their set up. Interesting.
Looks like a Good Get from Kenny. Hope so anyway.

[Razors left peg]

Have no idea how good or bad Barry is, had never heard of him before this but isnt it refreshing that we've moved on from the "jobs for the boys" mentality that was at the FAI. I'm not suggesting that Duff or Andrews was that, I'm more talking about the Noel Kings and Don Givens of the world.

[Razors left peg]

Kenny is doing a Q&A with supporters clubs at 7pm. Hopefully will have something interesting to say

[CraftyToePoke]

Kenny is doing a Q&A with supporters clubs at 7pm. Hopefully will have something interesting to say

Some points from the Eire Guide page

⚽ Darren Randolph is out through injury for the upcoming internationals, Caoimhin Kelleher is a doubt and only returns to Liverpool training this weekend.
⚽ Gavin Bazunu praised highly.
⚽ David McGoldrick won't be returning.
⚽ Yes Seamus Coleman and Matt Doherty can be accommodated in the team.
⚽ Neither Callum O'Hare or Nathan Redmond (a real surprise) are eligible.
⚽ John Joe Patrick Finn is considering his options.
⚽ Josh Cullen has taken his game up a level at Anderlecht and gives us an option. Chief scout watched him in action last weekend. Good indication he could be a starter.
⚽ Liam Delap has been contacted but remains an England player.
⚽ Chief scout Ruairi Higgins will be at the EFL cup final this weekend at Wembley and will report back on assist-king Aiden McGeady and Lee O'Connor.

[Razors left peg]

I listened to most of it and I always think he comes across very well. I like the way he talks about how he wants the team to play and at the risk of sounding like Kevin Keegan Id love it if he was was able to prove the doubters wrong.

I still think he suffered from the most ridiculous bad luck with the amount of players that have been in and out of his squad with injuries and covid, but hopefully that means hes due some good luck come the qualifiers.

[Eirambler]

Probably the most positive take away for me is the praise of Cullen. I did fear that Kenny maybe had a blind spot there because he was too old for his under 21 team and maybe didn't rate him for some reason. I'd like to see both him and Knight play in midfield alongside one of the more experienced midfielders in these games.

[CraftyToePoke]

Probably the most positive take away for me is the praise of Cullen. I did fear that Kenny maybe had a blind spot there because he was too old for his under 21 team and maybe didn't rate him for some reason. I'd like to see both him and Knight play in midfield alongside one of the more experienced midfielders in these games.

They are small, in height, the pair of them in the middle no ? Thinking set pieces either end particularly.

[Eirambler]

Neither is likely to score from a set piece alright but that's not what they would be in there for. I wouldn't go against them for that reason defensively either, we probably need to look more towards our back four to pick up the bigger men from set pieces.

I just think those two can potentially give us a bit more bite and forward drive from midfield in a way that we've been lacking for a few years now.

Longer term I like Molumby for the same reason, but it's obviously hard to justify picking him at the moment when he's in and out of the Preston side and clearly behind Browne in the pecking order there.

[CraftyToePoke]

I listened to most of it and I always think he comes across very well. I like the way he talks about how he wants the team to play and at the risk of sounding like Kevin Keegan Id love it if he was was able to prove the doubters wrong.

I still think he suffered from the most ridiculous bad luck with the amount of players that have been in and out of his squad with injuries and covid, but hopefully that means hes due some good luck come the qualifiers.

Any mention of the O'Leary keeper at Bristol from him ? He was supposed to be sorting out his papers when Mick called him up.

[Razors left peg]

Any mention of the O'Leary keeper at Bristol from him ? He was supposed to be sorting out his papers when Mick called him up.
He mentioned a few names, there was a couple I didnt recognize. To be honest, O'Leary could have been one of them but I dont remember

[CraftyToePoke]

Kenny is doing a Q&A with supporters clubs at 7pm. Hopefully will have something interesting to say

Last night in full : https://t.co/D952A9l3uy?amp=1

[ColourfulPeanut]

Any mention of the O'Leary keeper at Bristol from him ? He was supposed to be sorting out his papers when Mick called him up.
He metioned him as an option as well as Ian Lawlor.

[Exgrad]

Redmond not being eligible is pretty hilarious.

[CraftyToePoke]

Redmond not being eligible is pretty hilarious.

Pure farce, I think he himself said he was at some stage, or an agent looking to ratchet the FA for him. Then most recently we have our national team manager at the time, Mick Mack publicly saying he has sussed him out again but to no avail or no reply or whatever. Down with this kind of thing as Father Ted would say. Time it stopped.

[Exgrad]

Pure farce, I think he himself said he was at some stage, or an agent looking to ratchet the FA for him. Then most recently we have our national team manager at the time, Mick Mack publicly saying he has sussed him out again but to no avail or no reply or whatever. Down with this kind of thing as Father Ted would say. Time it stopped.

McCarthy met his agent and was trying to meet the player, and no one checked first to see if he qualified. What a spectacular waste of time.

https://www.balls.ie/football/mick-mccarthy-nathan-redmond-ireland-411390

[SkStu]

Some points from the Eire Guide page

⚽ Darren Randolph is out through injury for the upcoming internationals, Caoimhin Kelleher is a doubt and only returns to Liverpool training this weekend.
⚽ Gavin Bazunu praised highly.
⚽ David McGoldrick won't be returning.
⚽ Yes Seamus Coleman and Matt Doherty can be accommodated in the team.
⚽ Neither Callum O'Hare or Nathan Redmond (a real surprise) are eligible.
⚽ John Joe Patrick Finn is considering his options.
⚽ Josh Cullen has taken his game up a level at Anderlecht and gives us an option. Chief scout watched him in action last weekend. Good indication he could be a starter.
⚽ Liam Delap has been contacted but remains an England player.
⚽ Chief scout Ruairi Higgins will be at the EFL cup final this weekend at Wembley and will report back on assist-king Aiden McGeady and Lee O'Connor.

Kenny's comments on Delap: ‘He is a good prospect, but he is part of the England setup at the moment and we have to respect that.’

I say to heck with that! They didnt "respect" Declan Rice's *spits* role in the Irish set up when Gareth was doing up his powerpoint. We need to pursue these guys aggressively.

[seanfhear]

Kenny's comments on Delap: ‘He is a good prospect, but he is part of the England setup at the moment and we have to respect that.’

I say to heck with that! They didnt "respect" Declan Rice's *spits* role in the Irish set up when Gareth was doing up his powerpoint. We need to pursue these guys aggressively.
Perhaps Kenny’s words were code for ~ ~ he is not interested in us at the moment !

[CraftyToePoke]

We need to pursue these guys aggressively.

What are we talking here ? Bundle him into a van ? :)
Who's up for it, footdots contribution to project SK, we could deliver him to his house ?
I have a van.

[seanfhear]

What are we talking here ? Bundle him into a van ? :)
Who's up for it, footdots contribution to project SK, we could deliver him to his house ?
I have a van.
We couldn’t keep Rice or Grealish and we had them in our camps at different times . Even kidnapping won’t work if they don’t want to play for us.

[SkStu]

We won’t know that for sure unless we try.

[SkStu]

Just don’t show the FA too much respect along the way is my point. Check in often, make promises, show 1916 videos... etc etc

[elatedscum]

McCarthy met his agent and was trying to meet the player, and no one checked first to see if he qualified. What a spectacular waste of time.

https://www.balls.ie/football/mick-mccarthy-nathan-redmond-ireland-411390

I don’t understand how that’s possible but who knows. His mother confirmed that he was eligible. Can’t remember if it was via a parent or a grandparent.

Really weird one

[Kingdom]

What are we talking here ? Bundle him into a van ? :)
Who's up for it, footdots contribution to project SK, we could deliver him to his house ?
I have a van.

You might have a van, but seeing as you can't bloody drive, it doesn't really matter :-)

[geysir]

Redmond not being eligible is pretty hilarious.

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.

[seanfhear]

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.
Could have been just trying to put this one to bed permanently. It must be blooming annoying being constantly asked about these fellas that do not want to play for us all the time.

[tetsujin1979]

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.Apparently he's chosen Jamaica

[CraftyToePoke]

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.

Ah keep up.

[geysir]

Ah keep up.
The main question was his eligibility for Ireland and because of his Irish mother he remains eligible for Ireland until he's capped competively for Jamaica
Not only am I up, I'm way past you :)

It was incorrect to claim he wasn't eligible for Ireland.

[CraftyToePoke]

The main question was his eligibility for Ireland and because of his Irish mother he remains eligible for Ireland until he's capped competively for Jamaica
Not only am I up, I'm way past you :)

Oh dear ..

[geysir]

Oh dear ..
Oh dear what?

[geysir]

When Mick talked with Redmond's agent, had Redmond already decided to declare for Jamaica? I'd say Redmond declared his intentions since Mick's time.

[seanfhear]

When Mick talked with Redmond's agent, had Redmond already decided to declare for Jamaica? I'd say Redmond declared his intentions since Mick's time.
He is nearly as bad as John Redmond ! !

[SkStu]

The main question was his eligibility for Ireland and because of his Irish mother he remains eligible for Ireland until he's capped competively for Jamaica
Not only am I up, I'm way past you :)

It was incorrect to claim he wasn't eligible for Ireland.

No, I agree with the question here from Geysir. There is a difference between not being eligible for us and not wanting to play for us. I think we were all under the impression that his mum is Irish... is that not the case? Or is it due to his caps underage or his cap in the friendly a couple of years ago?

[geysir]

Afaiu, Irish mothered Nathan is still eligible to declare for us until he togs out for Jamaica in a competitive match. At the time Mick talked with the agent, Redmond had not publicly stated his intention to declare for Jamaica.

The misunderstanding is Kenny's (alleged) use of the word "ineligible" and some posters here thinking that meant Redmond was ineligible when Mick tried to tap him up

[tetsujin1979]

Afaiu, Irish mothered Nathan is still eligible to declare for us until he togs out for Jamaica in a competitive match. At the time Mick talked with the agent, Redmond had not publicly stated his intention to declare for Jamaica.

The misunderstanding is Kenny's (alleged) use of the word "ineligible" and some posters here thinking that meant Redmond was ineligible when Mick tried to tap him up
It's not alleged, Kenny used it quite clearly in a discussion with fans last week
ArzeuLH-Ya0

[Exgrad]

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.

No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/southampton-star-redmond-next-on-mick-mccarthys-ireland-recruitment-drive-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

[CraftyToePoke]

that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

He's about to let on that's what he was saying yes, & that he knew all the last weeks happenings on Redmond. You're about to meet Geysir, basically :) :)

[elatedscum]

No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/southampton-star-redmond-next-on-mick-mccarthys-ireland-recruitment-drive-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

I’m fairly sure that Nathan’s mother is self described as Irish and she confirmed his eligibility and that she’d like him play for ireland but was happy for him to do whatever made him happy. This was all on Twitter years and years ago and someone dug up old tweets. Maybe it’s a Ryan Johansson case where she was born in the uk and brought up here before moving back, or something like that...

[geysir]

No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/southampton-star-redmond-next-on-mick-mccarthys-ireland-recruitment-drive-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

That article states
"Redmond's Irish connections are in Dublin through his mother Michelle Redmond, who raised her three children alone."
In other articles it's stated that the mother is irish born. But yep, those reports of Redmond's mother being Irish born are most probably just assumed and inaccurate.

Kenny could have been referring to Redmond being deep down in the process of declaring for Jamaica, therefore not eligible.
Did Kenny mention the exact reason why Redmond was illegible?
I don't know what Mick knew, the article linked in this thread just simply states Redmond's agent was contacted and it was a no go.

[geysir]

It's not alleged, Kenny used it quite clearly in a discussion with fans last week

I didn't listen to the interview, I put alleged in brackets, did Kenny state why Redmond wasn't eligible?

No big deal as obviously Redmond wasn't interested in Ireland at a time when he thought he was eligible, and no big deal what Mick didn't know when Redmond's agent was contacted.

[TonyD]

Just don’t show the FA too much respect along the way is my point. Check in often, make promises, show 1916 videos... etc etc

We could always beg if all else fails I suppose !

[zero]

I've seen enough.

[Colbert Report]

The FAI don't have any money so we're stuck with this joker for the full length of his contract.

[NeverFeltBetter]

And with the money situation in mind, who would they get anyway?