Stephen Kenny

[DeLorean]

not sure how much this all has to do with the U21 Championship...

We probably need a Stephen Kenny thread in the Ireland forum.

<MOD EDIT - links added to polls>
First vote of confidence - https://foot.ie/threads/265641-Poll-Stephen-Kenny-vote-of-confidence
Second referendum - https://foot.ie/threads/269901-Stephen-Kenny-vote-of-confidence-Second-referendum
(https://foot.ie/threads/269901-Stephen-Kenny-vote-of-confidence-Second-referendum)Third referendum - https://foot.ie/threads/278358-Stephen-Kenny-vote-of-confidence-Third-referendum

[SkStu]

I wonder if he will call up Luca Connell? ;)

[DeLorean]

Interview with Kenny - https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/stephen-kenny-football-shouldnt-follow-rugby-residency-route-908749.html

[tetsujin1979]

From that article

from the years (of players born in) 1998 or 1999 we have no centre-forwards or wingers in England,” he said. “We actually have none.
Connor Ronan and Josh Barrett both born in 1998.
Ronan is playing in Slovakia at the moment so Kenny is technically correct that he's "not in England".

Also mentions the number of centre halves in England, but no mention of the centre half playing in Italy.

[Olé Olé]

He has name-checked Nolan before. I don't think he's ignoring him.

[tetsujin1979]

He has name-checked Nolan before. I don't think he's ignoring him.
I don't think he is either. Just thought it was an odd observation to mention the number of centre halves in England, but omit the one in Italy.

[liamoo11]

From that article

Connor Ronan and Josh Barrett both born in 1998.
Ronan is playing in Slovakia at the moment so Kenny is technically correct that he's "not in England".

Also mentions the number of centre halves in England, but no mention of the centre half playing in Italy.

Yeah well said some proper spoofing going on here to soften us up for any bad results that might come. Cian Flanagan is a winger at crystal palace and Keena is a striker at hearts(not back home) Fowler striker at Cardiff. So 5 players that lads can name on a random forum not on the 21s managers radar??

[DeLorean]

Kenny out!

[paul_oshea]

If only naming players on a forum amounted to cappage and stardom.

[Closed Account]

Ah come on, I doubt he meant it literally? Surely a bit of hyperbole to highlight that there is a lack of them in that age group.
And even if you want to take him at his word, it could be argued

Josh Barrett (AM) (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-barrett/profil/spieler/325192)
Kian Flanagan (CM) (https://www.transfermarkt.com/kian-flanagan/profil/spieler/401321)
Aidan Keena Scotland (https://www.transfermarkt.com/aidan-keena/profil/spieler/401323)
Quivi Fowler (AM) Wales (https://www.transfermarkt.com/quivi-fowler/profil/spieler/411509)
Connor Ronan (CM) Slovakia (https://www.transfermarkt.com/connor-ronan/profil/spieler/337787)

There's nothing in his comments to suggest that these players aren't on his radar.
Anthony Scully is a winger in England but again, it's reasonable to take his words as hyperbole.
Gerry McDonagh (0 goals in Conference), doubt he'll be involved.

[Kingdom]

Playing Devils Advocate here, but it's clear he's talking about Irish-born lads who were born in those years, moved over, and have stayed over. I say it because he clearly talks about those "who have come back",
Does that change the argument?

[tetsujin1979]

Playing Devils Advocate here, but it's clear he's talking about Irish-born lads who were born in those years, moved over, and have stayed over. I say it because he clearly talks about those "who have come back",
Does that change the argument?
I did think that too after re-reading it, but if it is the case does that means that he's not considering Barrett, Ronan, etc as "ours"?

[paul_oshea]

Ya but that contradicts his point in the article about still including and integrating foreign born children(british in this case)

[Kingdom]

No, I would think he's making a specific point to the type of player that have been generated here, and made the grade (so to speak) in our biggest market.

Bear in mind, it's not a full transcript of the interview, so I would say there is a bit of lost context to be honest. I would suspect the leading question from the journalist which gives the context to his answer has been omitted.

[Eminence Grise]

Yes, that's possible without being a nightmare scenario.... There are no guarantees that a vaccine will be trialled and ready in 15 months, or that existing drugs can be used to alleviate mild to severe symptoms (ICU level symptoms are a different kettle of fish entirely - pneumonia and sepsis are the real killers there), or that it is a seasonal virus, or that contracting it will give you immunity, or that outbreaks won't flare up as soon as restrictions are lifted.

That said, I'm an optimist (no, really I am) and I think some medical trial will come good sooner rather later.

[nigel-harps1954]

https://www.offtheball.com/sport/the-mick-mccarthy-era-as-republic-of-ireland-manager-has-ended-994972

Well, it looks as though that is that. Good luck Mick. Correct decision.

[tommy_c12000]

Fantastic news if true. Mick has done nothing to warrant staying on longer, and is being paid way over the odds. Martin O’Neill had already qualified us for playoffs. Squad has regressed with short term mentality of Mick (not his fault) and quality of football has also regressed (if that was possible). Great (and decisive) decision by FAI

[tetsujin1979]

Confirmed by the FAI
https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/fai-thank-mick-mccarthy-as-stephen-kenny-takes-up-ireland-job

[brine3]

For what it’s worth, I think the performances were better under McCarthy than the last 2 and a half years of O’Neill.

An impossible situation for everyone involved.

Positives of the reign, established the likes of McGoldrick, Egan, Stevens into the side.

We finished second in our World Cup 2018 qualification group.
We finished third in our Euro 2020 qualification group.

Not a fan of how either of them got on, to be honest. Let's not pretend that Mick was much better.

Stephen Kenny will be better value for money, that's for sure. I'd say that was the FAI's main consideration at this stage.

[Fizzer]

Brilliant chance for our younger players to be involved in the playoff(s) now.

[osarusan]

I know it is already being discussed in the Slovakia match thread, but will need its own thread in the long run anyway - Stephen Kenny has taken over from Mick McCarthy as senior team manager with immediate effect.

This is six months ahead of schedule, but obviously there won't be much football at all in those 6 months. FAI thanking McCarthy for taking into account the 'exceptional times' brought about by COVID-19.

Very interesting to see how it goes - he as the Midas touch at LOI level, and decent signs at underage level, yet didn't achieve much in his only spell in the UK.

We know he likes to play passing football, so I wonder how much of that he will be able to achive of that with the senior players. It's a style that we haven't seen at senior level in a long long time.

[Razors left peg]

His contract was for 2 years. In normal scheme of things that would have brought us up to the Euros. I very much doubt it said in the contract 2 years or until the Euros. Therefore it was only decision that could be made. If he topped the group there would be more of a case to extend his contract but he failed to qualify us from the group and we are only in playoff by default.

It could be 6 months before we are back to football so this is the only decision that could have been made.

Excited by Duff and Andrews know backroom too

[seanfhear]

Could he be our Michael O’Neill ?

[Razors left peg]

I think its so exciting. This is a guy who passionately believes that we can play proper football and be competitive. He always did that with Dundalk in Europe and was successful. The U21s were transformed overnight when he took over.
If the senior players don't buy in because he comes from LOI there is plenty of young guys to take their place and build from ground up.

[tetsujin1979]

Could he be our Michael O’Neill ?I hope not, he won two games in his first three years, and lost to Luxembourg and Azerbaijan

[Olé Olé]

The risk that we go into the Slovakia match under-prepared and don't make the Euros is the biggest one that comes with this appointment. Managing this risk during this uncertain time is a challenge. It will be interesting to see what moves Kenny makes to give us the best possible chance against Slovakia. I would have thought it will require a lot of friendlies, regardless of when we get back playing.

[Diggs246]

I'm I being unfair to think McCarthy took the 1.3m and ran as per contract? Seemed to go quietly no?

[liamoo11]

Why is mick getting the million thought that was if he qualified us?

Hopefully playoffs wont go ahead till next Feb or March allowing Kenny to have the nations league to build a bit

Be great to think he could help revitalise the likes of Hendrick, Brady and McCarthy .

Be interesting to see if mcgoldrick is key for him to work the likes of Connolly and Robinson around or if he thinks mcgoldrick just drops the attack back into midfield and compresses everything by been so deep constantly and limits any threat in behind the centre haves

[Olé Olé]

I'm I being unfair to think McCarthy took the 1.3m and ran as per contract? Seemed to go quietly no?
It's a funny one. I'm assuming the FAI have saved some money here by not having to extend McCarthy's contract until either we get beaten in the play-offs or after the Euros.

Should we have qualified for the Euros, then Mick would have needed another year of a contract and another year of a salary, on top of Kenny's I would assume.

Given the 1.3m that Delaney committed the FAI to paying Mick, I'm sure they could ill-afford paying two managers at once.

[Eirambler]

It's the correct decision, regardless of whether we qualify under Kenny or not. Given the logistical nightmare of rearranging the handover and working out how to deal with the Nations League, playoffs and all the contract issues it was the only decision that could have been made. That said, I did have a bad feeling that there would be some effort at a fudge of some sort and if Delaney was still in charge I'd say he'd have definitely tried to keep Mick on.

I have to say I've always liked Mick and felt he was very hard done by in 2002. However this campaign has felt a bit stale from the off, just a continuation of the Trap and O'Neill years, when we really needed a fresh start, even if that had a negative impact on results in the short term. I now feel like the Euro qualifiers have been a bit of a waste really, because we didn't qualify, we were guaranteed the playoffs anyway and only limited blooding of players on the senior stage has taken place.

Obviously we don't have any control over the fixture schedule from here, but it would be great if the Nations League went ahead and was played before the Euro 2020/1 playoffs, so that we can make up for lost time in terms of bringing in new players and give Kenny a run of games to build his team.

[D24Saint]

As a LOI fan I’m obviously delighted to see one of our own back in the top job. I think Irish football fans should thank Mick for his long service to the Ireland team on and off the pitch.

[nigel-harps1954]

One thing is for certain, Stephen Kenny won't be lauding a 1-1 draw away to Georgia in a must win game.

[seanfhear]

MOD EDIT - removed quote of deleted postAlright Roy !

[RiffRaff]

Difficult situation for the FAI, no easy way round it. I am hopeful about Kenny, though his appointment is reminiscent of Brian Kerrs, which i thought was a master stroke at the time. I think he will need a full campaign to get accustomed to the role before he can be judged.

[samhaydenjr]

The right decision. I've got a soft spot for Mick but this is a new FAI where transparency and fairness seem to be making progress not shady deals to keep everyone sweet. Mick got us to the playoffs so he can walk away with some measure of success and hopefully into a decent club role this summer. It's not the ending anybody would have wanted for him, but it's better than his first spell. I think his legacy will be OK this time. If Kenny completes the job it's down to Mick's rebuilding work [edit - what ES said, two posts up], and if he doesn't ... ah, he will.

Actually, he didn't... it was a combination of our UEFA National Team Coefficient ranking putting us into League B of the Nations League and the fact that more than 14 teams from Leagues A and B qualified through the main process. You're definitely right to note that Mick did well in quickly integrating ascendant players into the squad (McGoldrick, Egan, Robinson, Stevens, Doherty), so Kenny will have a settled team, and will be able to call on the likes of Connolly, Parrott, Hogan, Cullen, Travers, Browne and O'Connor knowing that they have at least some international action under their belts.

That said, I was really hoping that the FAI would have thought outside the box on this one, especially considering the circumstances. Surely it would have been possible to defer Mick's payment for July and/or June, allow him to take up the reins for the playoffs, and have the option of giving him a short-term contract for the Finals. Kenny could still be have been in charge for the World Cup and Nations League, if it happens. Plus, it may have freed up Kenny to continue with the U21s, depending on when they see action again.

I just hope it doesn't end up like the last time we let Mick go prematurely and replaced him with a successful LOI and underage manager

[Fixer82]

That said, I was really hoping that the FAI would have thought outside the box on this one, especially considering the circumstances. Surely it would have been possible to defer Mick's payment for July and/or June, allow him to take up the reins for the playoffs, and have the option of giving him a short-term contract for the Finals. Kenny could still be have been in charge for the World Cup and Nations League, if it happens. Plus, it may have freed up Kenny to continue with the U21s, depending on when they see action again.

I just hope it doesn't end up like the last time we let Mick go prematurely and replaced him with a successful LOI and underage manager


Totally agree

[Eminence Grise]

MOD EDIT - removed quote of deleted post
Unintended Consequences of the Lockdown, No. 431(b) - irrational mix of anger and hope, coupled with gender misrecognition.

I'd say someone needs to get out for a long walk around the garden before it's too late...

[Eirambler]

Actually, he didn't... it was a combination of our UEFA National Team Coefficient ranking putting us into League B of the Nations League and the fact that more than 14 teams from Leagues A and B qualified through the main process. You're definitely right to note that Mick did well in quickly integrating ascendant players into the squad (McGoldrick, Egan, Robinson, Stevens, Doherty), so Kenny will have a settled team, and will be able to call on the likes of Connolly, Parrott, Hogan, Cullen, Travers, Browne and O'Connor knowing that they have at least some international action under their belts.

That said, I was really hoping that the FAI would have thought outside the box on this one, especially considering the circumstances. Surely it would have been possible to defer Mick's payment for July and/or June, allow him to take up the reins for the playoffs, and have the option of giving him a short-term contract for the Finals. Kenny could still be have been in charge for the World Cup and Nations League, if it happens. Plus, it may have freed up Kenny to continue with the U21s, depending on when they see action again.

I just hope it doesn't end up like the last time we let Mick go prematurely and replaced him with a successful LOI and underage manager

Can you imagine how this would work in practice? Kenny in for the Nations League in the Autumn, then bumped out for the playoffs early next year, possibly back in then for a few early World Cup qualifiers, but back out again for the Euros if we qualify. Then back in full time in the Autumn.

We'd be the laughing stock of European football.

[tetsujin1979]

Moved the relevant posts from the play off thread this. Link to any other post you think should be moved

[tetsujin1979]

Management team confirmed: https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/fai-confirm-senior-mens-and-under-21-management-teams

The Football Association of Ireland are delighted to announce the appointment of coaches Keith Andrews, Damien Duff and Alan Kelly to Stephen Kenny’s backroom team with the Senior Men’s international team.
Nothing about Robbie Keane's role in the new structure

[DeLorean]

Moved the relevant posts from the play off thread this. Link to any other post you think should be moved

This thread was created not too long ago also, if you want to lock it, or merge or something - https://foot.ie/threads/240390-Stephen-Kenny?highlight=stephen+kenny

[tetsujin1979]

This thread was created not too long ago also, if you want to lock it, or merge or something - https://foot.ie/threads/240390-Stephen-Kenny?highlight=stephen+kenny

thread bumped, and merged

[Calcio Jack]

Unintended Consequences of the Lockdown, No. 431(b) - irrational mix of anger and hope, coupled with gender misrecognition.

I'd say someone needs to get out for a long walk around the garden before it's too late...

Disappointing to see free speech and accurate commentary being censored under the guise of the Covid-19 crisis , this isn’t Hungary ..... yet
😉

[Eminence Grise]

Hungary? Nah, we thought about already (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2151582.The_Resurrection_of_Hungary).

I didn't remove your post. Or ask for it to be removed. I valued it - it was like a Rosetta Stone for unique viewpoints and could have helped me decipher a few other posters around these parts.:cool:

[Olé Olé]

Gary Owens was on Off the Ball this afternoon. Spoke with confidence that was enhanced by a clear vision and strategy for the future. He handled questions on finances and reputation excellently and obviously has a plan for how we can improve both in the medium term.

[Fixer82]

The door not fully closed on Robbie Keane's involvement just yet it seems

[samhaydenjr]

Can you imagine how this would work in practice? Kenny in for the Nations League in the Autumn, then bumped out for the playoffs early next year, possibly back in then for a few early World Cup qualifiers, but back out again for the Euros if we qualify. Then back in full time in the Autumn.

I was working on the assumption that the play-offs will take place before the Nations League, which may not happen anyway. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for Mick to see that through, then, rather than have the Slovakia game as Kenny's first.


We'd be the laughing stock of European football.

It's not unprecedented for countries to change their manager just before a finals tournament, just in this case it would be a temporary arrangement. We'd hardly be a laughing stock for coming up with a unique solution to a COVID-19 problem

Anyway, to paraphrase Joey Tribbiani, it's all a Moo point by now - like a cow's opinion... it doesn't matter

[SkStu]

The door not fully closed on Robbie Keane's involvement just yet it seems

Well someone will have to cut the oranges.

[Eminence Grise]

Ever since he was a young boy he's always wanted to cut the half-time oranges for Ireland, eh Boro, no Ireland...

[seanfhear]

Robbie could shout at the referees and throw his hands up in the air !