View Full Version : Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?
Might survive but a lot of "ifs and butts". Need to see out this season (pay commitments to season end). Sort out the ungodly mess that is Dalymount/Zurich and finalise life after Dalymount.
other than that all is fine......:rolleyes:
You forgot about the big contract Nutsy still has for next season too
You forgot about the big contract Nutsy still has for next season too
thats fcking pittance when you look at the bigger picture.
El-Pietro
17/10/2011, 3:57 PM
where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?
where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?
the Leinster Senior League
thats fcking pittance when you look at the bigger picture.
Ah I know, I was just loading up.
Ah I know, I was just loading up.
Ah i know. :)
TiocfaidhArmani
18/10/2011, 2:00 PM
where would Bohs play if Dalymount was no longer available?
That's a good question, maybe Shels and Bohs may need to bash heads together to sort something out like a groundshare.
TiocfaidhArmani
18/10/2011, 2:01 PM
the best i hope for is to have a club to support next season. Unlikely unless we are rescued as we have shown we cannot rescue ourselves.
You're going down the Cork and Derry way, could be the best thing for you. You come back debt free and build from there.
BonnieShels
18/10/2011, 11:26 PM
That's a good question, maybe Shels and Bohs may need to bash heads together to sort something out like a groundshare.
That would only happen if we were in the same division next season. And would probably only involve the fans.
TiocfaidhArmani
19/10/2011, 1:44 PM
That would only happen if we were in the same division next season. And would probably only involve the fans.
Just thinking though we’re both gonna be homeless soon enough, we’re both on the Northside, so maybe we may have to combine efforts to get something done, because after Tolka I'm not sure where we'll end up or how we're in a position to do something alone.
marinobohs
19/10/2011, 1:56 PM
Just thinking though we’re both gonna be homeless soon enough, we’re both on the Northside, so maybe we may have to combine efforts to get something done, because after Tolka I'm not sure where we'll end up or how we're in a position to do something alone.
..genuine problem as I believe Shels only got a licence this season on the basis that they had option of using Dalymount if Tolka was withdrawn during the season.
Only options would be Morton or ground share with pats (until Kelleher pulls out and they end up as badly off) or UCD.
Could of course become new tenants in the SDCC stadium ;)
Despite the drop in building costs I cant see ourselves or Shels building anything anytime soon.
pineapple stu
19/10/2011, 2:23 PM
Only options would be [...] UCD.
Which of course isn't an option as the college authorities won't have ye.
Funny that the suggestion which caused uproar a while back - Shels and Bohs groundsharing - is being mentioned seriously now. (Though maybe with non-retarded ground plans)
TiocfaidhArmani
19/10/2011, 2:25 PM
No me either, although there was an option put to Home Farm to develop their ground with the help of the FAI/Shels, which would then to used for underage internationals and they turned it down. We would have been sorted with a nice 4/5,000 seater and they declined it instead to keep their ground as it is!
marinobohs
19/10/2011, 2:57 PM
Which of course isn't an option as the college authorities won't have ye.
Funny that the suggestion which caused uproar a while back - Shels and Bohs groundsharing - is being mentioned seriously now. (Though maybe with non-retarded ground plans)
I think the "groundsharing" suggestion you are referring to was Ollie Byrnes plan to buy half of Dalymount for 2 million while there was an offer from Danninger for 60 million to buy the ground ? Do you really need to have it explained why Bohs membership rejected Ollies offer ? (although an explanation on how we f****** up the Danninger deal would be appreciated :confused:)
Incidentially when rejecting Shels offer Bohs did make an offer to Shels to move to Dalyer on a tenant basis - with along term contract if they wished. this was rejected by Ollie and he said he would only move to Dalymount if he owned it (expletives removed :o).
All, and none, of the above. Twice
That doesn't get old and almost certainly never will.
Harristown
Wasn't there some other plan around Castleknock/Westlink toll or is that the same one
legendz
21/10/2011, 1:15 PM
Hard hat on first of all before I comment. Is there any possibility Bohs could work with Fingal? Sp. Fingal went bust, Fingal seemed to want a club for the area. Could both work together like Shamrock and the SDCC?
That doesn't get old and almost certainly never will.
Wasn't there some other plan around Castleknock/Westlink toll or is that the same one
There was an initial proposal to move to Castleknock - back of carpernterstown etc which then made way for the Harristown proposal.
marinobohs
21/10/2011, 2:54 PM
Hard hat on first of all before I comment. Is there any possibility Bohs could work with Fingal? Sp. Fingal went bust, Fingal seemed to want a club for the area. Could both work together like Shamrock and the SDCC?
.....bearing in mind the fallout from the Sporting debacle I very much doubt Fingal County Council will be cosying up to any football club any time soon. Especially not one with the expensive tastes Bohs have aquired :bigsmile:
legendz
21/10/2011, 4:00 PM
Surely there's a difference. Bohs have their name, fans, history and tradition.
in fact i think Bohs did thump on that particular door but FCC pretended they werent home.
Fenlons take.
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6937/
legendz
22/10/2011, 9:11 AM
I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.
I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.
What a vague thing to say.
While Fenlon should not be overly lauded for his successes given the budgets that were handed to him, nor should he be vilified for accepting budgets and a wage that were also handed to him by clubs that he was at.
People need to get real.
Rasputin
22/10/2011, 1:12 PM
I have to say I agree with comments of no sympathy for Fenlon. It's not the first time he's been involved like this.
Fenlon does not set the budget and if he did set the budget then the Board have alot to answer for.
Managers are responsible for on field activities, finances lie with the Board, its not overly complex.
Also Fenlon is the second most successfull manager in LOI history, great manager and a gent.
HulaHoop
22/10/2011, 4:05 PM
Hearing rumours that the vultures who were rumbled by the right thinking members at Bohs in this thread last march (http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15873) are going to now get what they wanted - Dalymount on the cheap. A shame the true Bohs fans couldn't stop these individuals and their friends being the ones in power at Dalymount making insane decisions on budgets etc. The ordinary members and fans at Bohs just woke up a few years too late to the reality of what was going on at their club.
From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.
Gingerh
22/10/2011, 8:04 PM
How is this going to play out - what is the event(s) that will bring it to a head?
Jofspring
22/10/2011, 8:24 PM
Hearing rumours that the vultures who were rumbled by the right thinking members at Bohs in this thread last march (http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15873) are going to now get what they wanted - Dalymount on the cheap. A shame the true Bohs fans couldn't stop these individuals and their friends being the ones in power at Dalymount making insane decisions on budgets etc. The ordinary members and fans at Bohs just woke up a few years too late to the reality of what was going on at their club.
From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.
Or the limerick way, 27 years with no home and 18 years out of the top flight.
marinobohs
24/10/2011, 8:58 AM
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From a personal point of view I hope they don't cease to exist but a homeless 5-10 year sentence in the first division before coming back to the premier in a new home would be a suitable punishment.
......... hmmmmmm 5-10 years in First Division for stupidity (of members) versus 1 year for misuse of Govt funds, forgery etc.
What short memories some on here have :rolleyes:
Charlie Darwin
24/10/2011, 9:27 AM
Don't forget misuse of umbrellas.
dutchie
04/11/2011, 8:20 AM
If Bohs get the boot to the first Division,who replaces them,1.the beaten team in promotion play-off(Galway)or 2.next team in first div.ie Limerick
Mr Maroon
04/11/2011, 8:28 AM
If Bohs get the boot to the first Division,who replaces them,1.the beaten team in promotion play-off(Galway)or 2.next team in first div.ie Limerick
We're first in line for it (if we get a Premier license).
MagicMon
04/11/2011, 8:34 AM
The precedent from the last 2 seasons is 1relegated from the premier 2 beaten playoff team if not the same team as 1, 3 next highest first division team.
But that assumes consistency in the fai's decision making.
gspain
04/11/2011, 10:40 AM
If there is a vacancy in the premier division the playoff loser would be first in line. However I'd imagine Galway (assuming they lose which looks likely) will struggle to get a premier division licence.
The ultimate kick in the teeth for Limerick would be Waterford to go up then if we only get a first division licence.
If Bohs get the boot to the first Division,who replaces them,1.the beaten team in promotion play-off(Galway)or 2.next team in first div.ie Limerick
Next ranked Premier Division Licence Holder. Play off loser would rank higher than the next team in the first.
fc hammer
04/11/2011, 10:55 AM
If Mons get a premier licence theres hope for us all.
Dodge
04/11/2011, 11:05 AM
What'd be the issues for Galway? They're sorting out their finances (slowly) and have one of the top 6 grounds in the country.
Would monaghan need more seats? Can't think of anything else they'd fail on
Would LImerick be allowed use the plans for the new stadium to hold them over and get a premier license?
Can't see Limerick or Monaghan having too much of a problem- generally there's a derogation of at least a year on promotion with regards major infrastructure.
Galway's issue (I guess) would be whether all football related debts were settled on time. I have no idea what their position is there.
frenchman
04/11/2011, 11:25 AM
If Mons get a premier licence theres hope for us all.
I may be wrong but we've had a premier licence for the last number of years!!! not showing off but just trying to defend a small family club who do things by the books and now seem to be rewarded..as in tonight!! we will certainly be told we are too small (i'd be very happy if we get average crowds of 750 next year) but FOOTBALL IS PLAYED ON THE PITCH. cheating is done behind the scenes!!!!!
we have had no club sponsor for the last two years and have (to be verified) the second smallest budgets in the league.
As far as galway goes, unless they have very serious financial debt without light at the end of the tunnel( which i don't think is the case, then they will get back in.they won't have the money to pay good wages and will certainly finish bottom(with a lot more than 6 points but bottom) but if the other clubs cheat then they MUST be accepted.
Dodge
04/11/2011, 11:41 AM
Galway's issue (I guess) would be whether all football related debts were settled on time. I have no idea what their position is there.
I think as long as they have apayment plan/agreement they're OK. WOuld like to see the recent hard work rewarded if it came down to them
To Plans - the cause of, and solution to, all licencing problems...
geezer
06/11/2011, 10:04 PM
Footballing debts probably the smallest deficit ever, but the ex ceo got his made up debt included as footballing debt before he left, He never played, never coached, knew some loophole in licencing , signed it off himself accepted by licencing dept and that will probably prove to be the ransom too far for Galway supporters. all other football debts amount to a smallish figure well way under what the harps chairman said they needed a few weeks ago. I am prevented from disclosing exact figures by GUST on foot.ie, you understand
Lim till i die
06/11/2011, 11:22 PM
the second smallest budgets in the league.
Not a hope imo.
Wouldn't be spending the colour of what Shels, Cork, or Limerick were I'd imagine but definitely more than Salthill, Mervue, Wexford, Athlone and possibly Harps.
Is their any plans for Monaghan to bolt down some seats on the far side actually
nigel-harps1954
07/11/2011, 8:20 AM
No way do Mons have the 2nd smallest budget! Not a hope!
Also, as above, do they have plans to extend seating? Doesn't there have to be 2000 seats for Premier League or something? Be great if they done something with the far side of the ground alright.
Also, as above, do they have plans to extend seating? Doesn't there have to be 2000 seats for Premier League or something?
Back of a fag packet plans enough for licencing.
marinobohs
07/11/2011, 11:45 AM
Back of a fag packet plans enough for licencing. ..as long as you have the six tops off corn flakes packets :rolleyes:
nigel-harps1954
07/11/2011, 12:17 PM
..as long as you have the six tops off corn flakes packets :rolleyes:
And 12 tokens from the Milk carton.
Longfordian
07/11/2011, 1:10 PM
Not a hope imo.
Wouldn't be spending the colour of what Shels, Cork, or Limerick were I'd imagine but definitely more than Salthill, Mervue, Wexford, Athlone and possibly Harps.
Is their any plans for Monaghan to bolt down some seats on the far side actually
I'd be very surprised if their budget was lower than ours too, ours was under 3k a week.
passerrby
07/11/2011, 1:21 PM
Ours I'm told was about 2500 as for the far side I believe that plans have been sibmitted and will be completed when our bank receives what it is owed by greece
adamd164
09/11/2011, 8:33 PM
Bohs' statement released this evening:
Bohemian FC wishes to thank the club’s staff, members, supporters and creditors whose support and patience have helped keep the club going through its financial difficulties. In particular, Bohemian FC thanks those who have contributed to the club’s loan scheme and to other fund-raising initiatives and have in this way crucially helped the club in this difficult period.The club is determined to maintain these efforts and to ensure that Bohemians continue to play in the top flight of Irish football, as they have done – uniquely among all the clubs – since the establishment of the League of Ireland 90 years ago. Due to these efforts and continuing reductions in the club’s costs Bohemians are in a better trading position than at this stage last year: all payments to the Revenue Commissioners and to players are up-to-date and no player contracts are being carried over.
Cost reductions have been achieved largely through job cuts and reduction of working hours. The club thanks the staff involved for their co-operation and their understanding. Bohemians are continuing to reduce trade debts and the club needs to pursue its fundraising activities. Supporters are urged to help make the Big Bohs Gig at Vicar Street on 27th (http://www.ticketmaster.ie/Big-Bohs-Gig-tickets/artist/1656973) November a big success. As is well known, the club has debts of over €4million to Zurich Bank. Repayment of this loan falls due in June 2012. Meeting that target depends very largely on being able to realise the value of the club’s major financial asset, Dalymount Park. Bohemian FC is in continuing negotiations with Zurich Bank about the schedule of interest payments on this loan.
The Club is also actively working, through its legal representatives, to resolve legal issues relating to the possible sale of the club’s property. Members were updated by the board and the club’s legal representative on progress on these issues at the members’ meeting in September.A further update will be provided to members at this week's EGM.
As members directed at the most recent meeting, Bohemian FC is continuing to explore all possible options for securing the club’s future into next season and beyond.What are the legal issues holding up the sale of Dayler?
placid casual
09/11/2011, 8:39 PM
their legal rep is also on their board and is one of the reasons they are in it up to their necks.
If the ordinary decent bohs fans dont throw out the charlatans running their club, at the egm, then they deserve to see their 120 year old club die..
And that is exactly what will happen.no dalymount sale.no financial rescue package.
just dead.like the dodo. and drums.
Longfordian
09/11/2011, 9:10 PM
Can't see a big demand for Dalymount at the moment anyway. Developers who actually have any interest and the money would be better off waiting, the longer it goes the greater the pressure on Bohs and obviously the lower the price then. They could end up having to sell for the amount owing to the bank and damn all more despite it's value on paper. What happens then?
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