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Give your number 1 fan (http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt254/byte_babe/DSCN2331.jpg) a call. He'll help you lot out.
:)
i did... this is what he told me...
Ezekiel, the dundalk fan, 25:17 - 'The path of the righteous club is beset on all sides by the inequities of the Shelbourne and the tyrannies of Shamrock Rovers. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepards the weak through the valley of darkness. For he is truly the Bowez keeper and finder of lost "children go free" initiatives. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy the Bowez. And you will know I am Delaney when I lay my vengeance upon you.'
no idea what the f*cker was talking about.
I agree with the Bohs people who say that they are relieved and that this is the beginning of the end of the rot.
I'll believe it if and only when I see it with my own eyes...
The path of the righteous club is beset on all sides by the inequities of the Shelbourne and the tyrannies of Shamrock Rovers.
no idea what the f*cker was talking about.
Me either, lost me early on....
thischarmingman
15/08/2010, 12:22 PM
I wouldn't agree with you there :bottle: :can:
A bottle of beer and a toilet roll?
Less of the details of your Sunday evening please, hoopy.
I was in the brian boru last night and a barman who claimed to be ITK about the gypo situation told me they've already started to prepare for bankruptcy and every player and staff member have been told they can leave for free if they get a chance, including the poison dwarf. Could have been bulsh*ttin though.
Charlie Darwin
15/08/2010, 3:54 PM
A bottle of beer and a toilet roll?
Less of the details of your Sunday evening please, hoopy.
I think it's a charity collection tin. Maybe he'll lend it to Bohs.
A bottle of beer and a toilet roll?
I do agree it looks like a toilet roll instead of the can it's supposed to be. To use it as a toilet roll one could show how, after use, it ends up in the same place that Bohs members have been sending their club.
de bowez
15/08/2010, 10:51 PM
Let's see if we can arrange the following words into a sentence:
equals Pat trouble Fenlon financial.
Scapegoat.
thischarmingman
15/08/2010, 11:53 PM
Scapegoat.
How about we nip this one in the bud right away so we can concentrate on on the topic at hand?
Fenlon took over a club that had lost out on the treble by 8 goals and come within 2 goals of a UEFA Cup group spot. He managed us to 3 wins in our first 15 league games of the 2007 season. To put that in context we'd finished second and joint first in our previous two seasons: basically, Fenlon just about managed to keep City out of the relegation zone.
And let's have a look at his signings shall we?
Dave Rogers (Shelbourne)- Left in June 2007 for Pats, later sacked by Dundalk for indecent conduct.
Karl Bermingham (Newry C) Left July 2007, now with First Division Monaghan United.
Kyle Moran (Free) Released July 2007, was with Pats, via Institute and Larne in the Irish League but released this season (see Dodge's post below)
Greg O'Halloran (Shelbourne) Made 6 appearances, currently with Cork City
Peter Hynes (Newry C) Made 13 apps, 1 goal for Derry. Loaned to UCD in July 2007 making 8 appearances, now with First Division Longford Town.
Alan Moore (Shelbourne) Joined Sligo Rovers in Feb 2008 but was released by them.
Ola Tidman (Free) Conceded 4 goals at home to Cork on his debut, now playing for IF Limhamn Bunkeflo 2007 in the Swedish league 3rd Division. Notable for making just about every City supporter's "Worst XI." Signed after he impressed Fenlon when on trial at Derry.
...but yeah, really he's just a scapegoat for our UEFA Cup/League/FAI Cup stars mystifying lack of form. Must have been something they ate...
You can call Fenlon the best manager in Ireland if you like, but playing the 'bitter' card when Derry fans discuss him is just ignorant
de bowez
15/08/2010, 11:54 PM
Ostrich!
Anyone that puts the blame on the players or manager certainly does have their head in the sand.
de bowez
15/08/2010, 11:58 PM
How about we nip this one in the bud right away so we can concentrate on on the topic at hand?
You can call Fenlon the best manager in Ireland if you like, but playing the 'bitter' card when Derry fans discuss him is just ignorant.
Id feel the same about Sean Connor, he is the one that handed out the big contracts to spoofers like Turner at Dalymount and its budgets from that season that have us in major trouble however at the end of the day its not Connors fault that he was handed that money.
Ezeikial
16/08/2010, 12:35 AM
Id feel the same about Sean Connor, he is the one that handed out the big contracts to spoofers like Turner at Dalymount and its budgets from that season that have us in major trouble however at the end of the day its not Connors fault that he was handed that money.
At last the Bohs financials are unravelled -it is all about how big bad Seannie spent the dosh. Despite valiant efforts by Saint Pat to trim the budget since, the contracts handout out as far back as 2006 are the cause of the current difficulties!!!!
de bowez
16/08/2010, 1:18 AM
At last the Bohs financials are unravelled -it is all about how big bad Seannie spent the dosh. Despite valiant efforts by Saint Pat to trim the budget since, the contracts handout out as far back as 2006 are the cause of the current difficulties!!!!
Can you read? He was given a budget, he spent it, not his fault.
Managers take blame for results but not for clubs finances.
HulaHoop
16/08/2010, 1:29 AM
At last the Bohs financials are unravelled -it is all about how big bad Seannie spent the dosh. Despite valiant efforts by Saint Pat to trim the budget since, the contracts handout out as far back as 2006 are the cause of the current difficulties!!!!
That's right Ezeikial it's all the old boards fault and has nothing to do with what the new board did this season :rolleyes: Bohs now need to raise 400k to make it to the end of the year. Funnily enough if they had beaten TNS they stood to make around this figure from increased prize/TV/gate money in europe yet still clowns like comical marinobohs insist they didn't budget for european success. The old board spent a few million of Liam Carrolls money and ran up a debt of 7 million to win 4 titles in 10 years (bohs fans can judge if that has been money well spent or not) but the new board were supposed to come in this season and stop the overspending yet here we are six months into the season and they're struggling to find money to pay the wages. The new board have proven to be as clueless and foolish as the old one by gambling once more on the european dream. Instead of cutting back to a sustainable budget they outbid other clubs to sign 7 players at the start of the season relying on european money to pay for them. This after coming so close to failing to meet the SCP last year and relying on a heroic fundraising effort from the ordinary fans to bail them out. Bohs membership have gone along with all this and the ordinry fans like skstu here claim they didn't know the full extent. Bull**** - the dogs on the street knew bohs were scewed two years ago, there have been countless threads here and elsewhere. The accounts thread from last year should have woken every bohs fan up as to the reality of the situation but no they were blinded by the success on the pitch just like Shels fans were 5 years ago. No sympathy I'm afraid, you've been told over and over again to get off your arse and save your club but this is what the members did to those that raised doubts before it was too late http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bohs-crisis-intensifies-as-nugent-forced-out-1448237.html
A few years in the doldrums is the least Bohs deserve after being so god damn stupid.
just a couple of things HH. I didnt know the full extent. I knew we were screwing ourselves season on season but didnt think that things would get so bad so fast. And yes, despite the cutbacks this year, it wasnt enough and the Board deserve to be slaughtered for gambling yet again.
Also, i dont think anyone associated with Bohs wants or needs your or anyone elses sympathy.
Rasputin
16/08/2010, 9:03 AM
Its clearly not Fenlon or the players fault.
Fenlon does not set the budget.
Fenlons job is results not balance sheets, he is there to get every penny he can from the board in order to maximise the chances of success on the pitch.
The board are there to give him a budget that is sustainable no matter how much money he is looking for.
Its not a very complex system but what is clear is that Fenlon is not at fault.
White Horse
16/08/2010, 9:25 AM
Also, i dont think anyone associated with Bohs wants or needs your or anyone elses sympathy.
I doubt it will be offered by many fans.
The impending implosion of Bohemians is a case study in crass stupidity.
Kyle Moran (Free) Released July 2007, currently with Pats, via Institute and Larne in the Irish League.
Just an aside. He was relesed from Pats at the end of last season. Easily one of the worst players I've seen at Pats
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 10:13 AM
That's right Ezeikial(1) it's all the old boards fault and has nothing to do with what the new board did this season :rolleyes: Bohs now need to raise 400k to make it to the end of the year. Funnily enough if they had beaten TNS they stood to make around this figure from increased prize/TV/gate money in europe yet still clowns like comical marinobohs (2) insist they didn't budget for european success. The old board spent a few million of Liam Carrolls money and ran up a debt of(3) 7 million to win 4 titles in 10 years (bohs fans can judge if that has been money well spent or not) but the new board were supposed to come in this season and stop the overspending yet here we are six months into the season and they're struggling to find money to pay the wages. The new board have proven to be as clueless and foolish as the old one by gambling once more on the european dream. Instead of cutting back to a sustainable budget they outbid other clubs to sign 7 players at the start of the season relying on european money to pay for them. This after coming so close to failing to meet the SCP last year and relying on a heroic fundraising effort from the ordinary fans to bail them out. Bohs membership have gone along with all this and the ordinry fans like skstu here claim they didn't know the full extent. Bull**** - the dogs on the street knew bohs were scewed two years ago, there have been countless threads here and elsewhere. The accounts thread from last year should have woken every bohs fan up as to the reality of the situation but no they were blinded by the success on the pitch just like Shels fans were 5 years ago. No sympathy I'm afraid, you've been told over and over again to get off your arse and save your club but this is what the members did to those that raised doubts before it was too late http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/bohs-crisis-intensifies-as-nugent-forced-out-1448237.html
A few years in the doldrums is the least Bohs deserve after being so god damn stupid.
(1) that excuse is of course reserved for shams
(2) Not me the FAI stated it.
(3) bad as things are, we STILL dont owe 7 million (but dont let the facts...........)
Spudulika
16/08/2010, 10:18 AM
The funny thing about this thread, is the sheer crass gloating going on by fans of other clubs, and this is why football in Ireland is treated like something you wipe off the base of your shoe. The Bohs board messed up, they'll have to fix it. Sligo Rovers board messed up, they got on with the job, Galway, Cork, Derry, Shels etc etc so many clubs over extending and somehow they struggle on. It's a shameful mess when our national champions get into financial trouble again, it makes our league look a complete joke, yet the glorying in others clubs misfortune just shows why we deserve the "government" (ie Delaney and clan) we get. If member clubs can't stick together and fans at least let the full facts come out, then it's best we scrap the league and go fully amateur, at least that way all the little boys in the schoolyard can bicker and fight without media giving a damn.
thischarmingman
16/08/2010, 11:09 AM
The funny thing about this thread, is the sheer crass gloating going on by fans of other clubs, and this is why football in Ireland is treated like something you wipe off the base of your shoe. The Bohs board messed up, they'll have to fix it. Sligo Rovers board messed up, they got on with the job, Galway, Cork, Derry, Shels etc etc so many clubs over extending and somehow they struggle on. It's a shameful mess when our national champions get into financial trouble again, it makes our league look a complete joke, yet the glorying in others clubs misfortune just shows why we deserve the "government" (ie Delaney and clan) we get. If member clubs can't stick together and fans at least let the full facts come out, then it's best we scrap the league and go fully amateur, at least that way all the little boys in the schoolyard can bicker and fight without media giving a damn.
I mainly agree, and in time I'd hope it would be like that, but I think it's the stupid retorts and WUMMing every time the topic was broached over the last couple of years from certain posters that has resulted in the backlash this week.
Model Club
16/08/2010, 11:21 AM
The funny thing about this thread, is the sheer crass gloating going on by fans of other clubs, and this is why football in Ireland is treated like something you wipe off the base of your shoe. The Bohs board messed up, they'll have to fix it. Sligo Rovers board messed up, they got on with the job, Galway, Cork, Derry, Shels etc etc so many clubs over extending and somehow they struggle on. It's a shameful mess when our national champions get into financial trouble again, it makes our league look a complete joke, yet the glorying in others clubs misfortune just shows why we deserve the "government" (ie Delaney and clan) we get. If member clubs can't stick together and fans at least let the full facts come out, then it's best we scrap the league and go fully amateur, at least that way all the little boys in the schoolyard can bicker and fight without media giving a damn.
I feel the "gloating" towards bohs fans is a direct result of their own gloating especially over the last 2 and half seasons.Terms coined by certain bohs fans such as "big club"and "minnows" arn't doing them any favours now esp. the latter which showed disrespect to any opposition fan,most likely in jest, but now is the time that these phrases are coming back to haunt them-They were always going to!
I was always told in my professional capacity to treat people nice on your way up as you're sure to meet them on the way down.
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 11:31 AM
Terms coined by certain bohs fans such as "big club"and "minnows" arn't doing them any favours now
Not to mention "We are invincible".
thischarmingman
16/08/2010, 11:34 AM
Not to mention "We are invincible".
You can add also that bl**dy 'B' word which should be banned from the site. Rhymes with 'sitter.'
peadar1987
16/08/2010, 12:01 PM
You can add also that bl**dy 'B' word which should be banned from the site. Rhymes with 'sitter.'
B@stard?! :rolleyes:
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 12:03 PM
Not to mention "We are invincible".
Ahhh those were the days ! most of us have no problem with the "gloating" - not looking for sympathy, we made the mess and will have to get ourselves out of it, end of. The problem here is any effeort to discuss and/or explain is showered in a lot of made up garbage masquerading as "inside information" (mainly from the 4% club) . This is of course impossible to deal with and the discussion desends into farce.
It does reflect badly on the league, personnaly I got no pleasure from the demise of Shels, Drogs, Cork, Derry and ...... deep breath shams. I think each loss weakens the League and that would never give me any pleasure as I am a League fan. if it is our turn c'est la vie - in the long term we are all dead ! shams already running up deficits...........
* "we are invincible" was a football chant of a season we lost two games (one of them after the title was won) it was not stated club policy. :rolleyes:
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 12:14 PM
The problem here is any effeort to discuss and/or explain is showered in a lot of made up garbage masquerading as "inside information" (mainly from the 4% club) . This is of course impossible to deal with and the discussion desends into farce.
I think events have shown that most of the "made up garbage" has actually come from Bohs fans - we've cut costs, we're grand, we're well inside the SCP this year.
And I think Bohs going broke will ultimately strengthen the league, not weaken it. I don't consider that gloating. (Ditto for Fingal). This ridiculous overspending has to stop for clubs to have any hope of building properly.
Jicked
16/08/2010, 12:22 PM
Ahhh those were the days ! most of us have no problem with the "gloating" - not looking for sympathy, we made the mess and will have to get ourselves out of it, end of. The problem here is any effeort to discuss and/or explain is showered in a lot of made up garbage masquerading as "inside information" (mainly from the 4% club) . This is of course impossible to deal with and the discussion desends into farce.
It does reflect badly on the league, personnaly I got no pleasure from the demise of Shels, Drogs, Cork, Derry and ...... deep breath shams. I think each loss weakens the League and that would never give me any pleasure as I am a League fan. if it is our turn c'est la vie - in the long term we are all dead ! shams already running up deficits...........
* "we are invincible" was a football chant of a season we lost two games (one of them after the title was won) it was not stated club policy. :rolleyes:
Are you still not willing to accept that the Rovers fans saying Bohs were in huge financial difficulty after losing to TNS were closer to the truth than the Bohs fans saying they hadn't budgeted for European progression?
Dodge
16/08/2010, 12:37 PM
* "we are invincible" was a football chant of a season we lost two games (one of them after the title was won) it was not stated club policy. :rolleyes:
Perfectly sums up the grandoise notions of Bohs fans in the past few years. Even tried to redfine what invincible was...
OneRedArmy
16/08/2010, 12:47 PM
The funny thing about this thread, is the sheer crass gloating going on by fans of other clubs, and this is why football in Ireland is treated like something you wipe off the base of your shoe.Are you saying that fans of clubs in other leagues would somehow think about the common good and rally around the fallen? Get a grip man.
Our league is in the dump partly because its run by incompetentos but mostly because the football public convince themselves, against all evidence to the contrary, that they are football fans.
dcfcsteve
16/08/2010, 1:14 PM
The funny thing about this thread, is the sheer crass gloating going on by fans of other clubs, and this is why football in Ireland is treated like something you wipe off the base of your shoe.
Football fans in 'gloating at other team's misfortunes' shocker.
I've seen it all now....
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 1:29 PM
Perfectly sums up the grandoise notions of Bohs fans in the past few years. Even tried to redfine what invincible was...
....still sore over the 3 million to win SFA that season ? ;)
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 1:33 PM
Are you still not willing to accept that the Rovers fans saying Bohs were in huge financial difficulty after losing to TNS were closer to the truth than the Bohs fans saying they hadn't budgeted for European progression?
Jicked, shams have been spouting the same rubbish for years (see thread(s) last season. maybe its a "cry wolf" thing but they have no credibility anymore. The FAI / licencing people said Bohs did not (were not allowed) budget for european success, i believed them in my nievity.
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 1:43 PM
....still sore over the 3 million to win SFA that season ? ;)
Any chance you can actually argue the point being made rather than switching the focus away from the topic yet again?
As per the rules, we're all entitled to discuss each others' clubs. If you don't like that, don't post. Given the amount of times you've been warned and infracted over this before, you'd think you'd have learnt by now.
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 2:03 PM
Any chance you can actually argue the point being made rather than switching the focus away from the topic yet again?
As per the rules, we're all entitled to discuss each others' clubs. If you don't like that, don't post. Given the amount of times you've been warned and infracted over this before, you'd think you'd have learnt by now.
The "We are invincible" season was the year we had the fourth highest wage bill and pats had highest at approx 3 million (hence the connection).
Glad to see that Dodge can refer to Bohs but I cant refer to Pats. Nothing like consistent application of the rules is there ?
Spudulika
16/08/2010, 2:09 PM
Are you saying that fans of clubs in other leagues would somehow think about the common good and rally around the fallen? Get a grip man.
Our league is in the dump partly because its run by incompetentos but mostly because the football public convince themselves, against all evidence to the contrary, that they are football fans.
Actually yes, I've seen in in some instances, not when it's a top side, but certainly in the lower echelons. However I agree with you in reasoning why our league is a mess, it's been run as a sideshow and to keep a seat at the table for blazers. Some clubs are genuinely trying, others are surviving while the rest are boom and bust. I disagree with saying that the football public reckon they're football fans, they are fans, but they're not supporters. Supporters turn up as often as possible to their own or other league games, support initiatives and while being blinkered try to see the game as a whole. Glorying in another's misfortune is just wrong in so many ways and inviting bad karma (though having had enough already maybe DCFC Steve reckons it's time to dole some out). When Dundalk was in the pits I lived in the town and I saw how it affected everyone, and I saw that even GAA supporters were a little less than on the spot to slag off the club. There is no quick fix for the league, only medium-long term solutions that have to be precisely overseen by professionals, not given lip service by clubs and the FAI. I don't remember if this was suggested before, though I think I read it on a thread, a permanently placed accounts/admin professional needs to be each club and appointed by an independent body - like they do in the USA and Canada down to Junior pro level. This way a little bit of sense will return to the game. In one go you create over 20 jobs for young graduates and make clubs legitimate.
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 2:17 PM
Glad to see that Dodge can refer to Bohs but I cant refer to Pats. Nothing like consistent application of the rules is there ?
It's a thread about Bohs. Like, duh.
Actually yes, I've seen in in some instances, not when it's a top side, but certainly in the lower echelons.
I think there was a lot of sympathy when small clubs folded because they didn't have the people to keep them going - Kilkenny and Kildare being obvious examples. I think when a club recklessly racks up millions of debt, helping cause wage inflation throughout the league and leading to the current situation where they're causing more bad news stories for the league, it's hard to be too sympathetic. The fact that it was their fans who voted most of the club's actions through - and, it's worth noting, those who queried what was happening were rounded on and driven out, as per the Indo article - means it's actually their fault as well, and they can't use the "hated uncontrollable owner" line.
But yeah, ultimately, I think if they (and Cork and Shels and Derry and others) had had a bit more humility and awareness of what was going on during the "good times", there'd be less of a backlash now. That's just human nature, I think.
....still sore over the 3 million to win SFA that season ? ;)
Not my money. Why would I be sore?
And how is this related to Bohs' definition of invincibility including have 2 defeats?
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 2:22 PM
[QUOTE=pineapple stu;1388577]It's a thread about Bohs. Like, duh. its was a reply to the "We are invincible" chant. You should know, you raised it, Duh
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 2:24 PM
It had nothing to do with the post you were answering. Now give it a rest. Seriously, the site would be the better without trolls like yourself; wouldn't be too hard to arrange either.
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 2:24 PM
Not my money. Why would I be sore?
And how is this related to Bohs' definition of invincibility including have 2 defeats?
Dodge, its a football chant, get over it, bit like the "shed end invincibles" banner that used to be seen at Inchicore. not to be taken too seriously.
pineapple stu
16/08/2010, 2:47 PM
On the Fenlon thing, I think he's an overrated manager who's often spent badly at the three clubs he's been at, and who's generally underachieved compared to the money he's had to spend. But as you say, I don't think he can be blamed for the happenings at Tolka/Dalyer/the Brandywell.
Though as a slight aside, the term "manager" - which I think is almost unique to British (and Irish) football - refers I think to the role that that person had in clubs, which was literally as club manager - i.e. managing budgets, staff matters, etc. On the continent, he's called a head coach because he just looks afer the coaching side of things. So you could argue that Fenlon, if he wants to be called a "manager" specifically, should accept some responsibility for the losses incurred.
( :), just in case people start taking that too seriously)
just on the catchphrases/chants of bohs fans over the years, im surprised that these caused so much anger/resentment with you otherwise intelligent people.
The Big Club/Minnows is about as tongue in cheek as it can get - coined after our victory in Aberdeen all those years ago, for people to take it as us being serious says more about those that took it in anyway seriously than any arrogance on behalf of Bohs fans. It was a joke that, once it became obvious that it annoyed everyone so much, was hard to let go. It is no more serious than the Model Club moniker that Rovers fans have adopted.
We are Invincible - football fans in inaccurate football chant shocker! It was a fun season and it was a fun chant....
passerrby
16/08/2010, 3:00 PM
ya see if you sang "were **** and we know we are" you would not have annoyed the rest of us.
marinobohs
16/08/2010, 3:02 PM
ya see if you sang "were **** and we know we are" you would not have annoyed the rest of us.
There was a song at Dalymount last season - pointing to the shopping centre end "that bit over there, we sold it two times" :o
we were very annoyed with ourselves afterwards.
Spudulika
16/08/2010, 5:11 PM
It's a thread about Bohs. Like, duh.
I think there was a lot of sympathy when small clubs folded because they didn't have the people to keep them going - Kilkenny and Kildare being obvious examples. I think when a club recklessly racks up millions of debt, helping cause wage inflation throughout the league and leading to the current situation where they're causing more bad news stories for the league, it's hard to be too sympathetic. The fact that it was their fans who voted most of the club's actions through - and, it's worth noting, those who queried what was happening were rounded on and driven out, as per the Indo article - means it's actually their fault as well, and they can't use the "hated uncontrollable owner" line.
But yeah, ultimately, I think if they (and Cork and Shels and Derry and others) had had a bit more humility and awareness of what was going on during the "good times", there'd be less of a backlash now. That's just human nature, I think.
That's a fair point PS, though I still just query anyone from another club, in our league especially, who would bother or even attempt to incur the wrath of fate! This afternoon I remembered a chat I had with a hard core Drogs fan, and I must point out I'd gone the odd time to United Park and always wanted them to do well - except in the Wee Derby. This goon proceeded to tell me that had Dundalk any ambition at all, we'd "burst a gut" to try make something happen. I saw the same person rattling a tin in Drogheda raising funds for the club (I gave a fiver) and asked him if it was worth it. He smiled and said "Jaysus, sure we'd do it again." Show me a fan in this league who'd love it if a heap of cash came their clubs way to take a title tilt!
dcfcsteve
16/08/2010, 5:14 PM
What a fun thread this is.
I don't think anyone is claiming that everything that is wrong at Bohs is down to Fenlon alone, but I do think his high spending regardless of the real value of players has in general contributed to the culture, which has sunk many clubs, that the pursuit of success justifies spending more than your income to the point where the very existence of the club is threatened. Is he the cause of all our woes? - no. Does he encapsulate in one small package a great deal of what is wrong with our league at the moment - I believe so. Do I have any idea what key I pressed resulting in part of this post being in italics? - I do not.
A manager's job is to generate on-pitch success. That's how they get measured/rewarded. As part of that, they'll obviously want the best players at their disposal.
It's not a football manager's job to be aquainted with the financial minutae of his club, unles of course the Board make a point of ensuring that he is. It's the Board that provide a budget for signings, salaries etc, so the buck starts and stop with them on spenidng decisions.
So Manager's aren't to blame if a club overspends. The worst they can be accused of is being too persuasive for their Board. Board's are to blame.
Fenlon is only to blame to the extent of poor signings, strange tactics and our inept performances this season.
To be honest, its a blessing in disguise that we cant paper over the cracks again and compound the situation.
Bunny Kelly
16/08/2010, 7:40 PM
Fenlon is so good at ruining the clubs he's involved in managed to persuade the Derry board to hand out those nice contracts years after he had left the club.......
Seriously though, is Fenlon at fault for what happened at Cork, Drogs & Derry? These clubs were just as reckless as Shels & Bohs financially but Fenlon was a good enough manager to make the most of his resources. He has made mistakes this year & they have never got going, but he did lose his best two players in Murphy & Deegan who were near impossible to replace, this coming a year after losing the best current CM in the country in Stephen O'Donnell because they could not afford to keep him
Dodge, its a football chant, get over it, bit like the "shed end invincibles" banner that used to be seen at Inchicore. not to be taken too seriously.
And what do you think my poking fun at it is?
And what do you think my poking fun at it is?
Minnowism
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