View Full Version : Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?
pineapple stu
22/12/2010, 8:55 AM
What have Fingal to gain by moving in with Bohs? Is it just that Morton doesn't meet licencing, or is this the precursor to a merger between two financially screwed clubs (which doesn't really make much sense of itself)? I don't think there's been a single positive experience of a club ground-sharing, so I don't see how it can be seen as a positive move anyway.
D.24saint
22/12/2010, 9:09 AM
I was under the impression that the Morton was paid for by the Fingal Council, I would like to know what benefit Sporting Fingal will gain from playing in Dalymount.
HulaHoop
22/12/2010, 9:56 AM
Fingal Bohemians FC has a certain ring to it ;) Could be a way out for Bohs if Fingal CC build them a ground in Swords or Blanchardstown. Everyone would still call them Bohs anyway.
pineapple stu
22/12/2010, 10:08 AM
Won't be any councils building brand new football grounds for the foreseeable future.
The Lep
22/12/2010, 11:07 AM
I was under the impression that the Morton was paid for by the Fingal Council, I would like to know what benefit Sporting Fingal will gain from playing in Dalymount.
Better facilities and the potential of attracting a bit more attendance plus it will be beneficial to Bohs through whatever rent they charge and money spent in the bars etc.
I might have to change my username to Fingal section G ;)
Longfordian
22/12/2010, 11:15 AM
Kinda goes against your whole raison d'être, ie to build a community club in the North Dublin area doesn't it? Can't see it attracting any new supporters to be honest. I could actually see it costing ye supporters.
Dodge
22/12/2010, 11:17 AM
I might have to change my username to Fingal section G ;)
or Dubln City Council Section G?
legendz
22/12/2010, 11:32 AM
It does sound a bit like Dublin City. I can't see a merger happening but if it did it might bring the number of Dublin clubs to a more realistic level, two North, two South and UCD. If a merger does happen, will Fingal CC get ownership of Dalymount?
Fr Damo
22/12/2010, 11:33 AM
I don't know why there isn't more out cry from those who lost points to Bohs last year and therefore prize money per their table position. Bohs and those before them (Drogheda, Cork, Derry, Shels etc) "cheated" by signing players they couldn't pay in persuit of pastures green and the possibility of maybe greater income. Possibility and Maybe a word apart is the clue of how they got here.
Why should a situation where they don't honour creditors demands be tollerated? I know it's the season of good will but come on now, if they can't meet licencing and ergo don't pay players they should go the route of others. 13 weeks of a 12 month contract is simply not fair. Especially when they already 2-3 weeks behind on payments.
I for one hope Bohs pay the players what they are owed,as opposed to stay afloat, in that order and don't confuse the two.
Dodge
22/12/2010, 11:42 AM
If a merger does happen, will Fingal CC get ownership of Dalymount?
How would they? Dalymount isn't even in the Fingal administrative region
pineapple stu
22/12/2010, 11:42 AM
If a merger does happen, will Fingal CC get ownership of Dalymount?
Why on earth would that happen?
The Lep
22/12/2010, 11:44 AM
Kinda goes against your whole raison d'être, ie to build a community club in the North Dublin area doesn't it? Can't see it attracting any new supporters to be honest. I could actually see it costing ye supporters.
I know but there isnt an alternative in Fingal at the moment . It will attract more supporters alright especially from D15 and if we play as good as we did this year plus it could attract more neutrals . Maybe a few bohs fans would show up if they cant make their away games knowing the money they spend at the bars goes to their club. It could appeal to local people with live football every friday night on their doorstep plus the euro games. Im not suggesting that all these people will become instant Fingal fans but it could improve our attendances which is the important thing. A lot of ifs and maybes i know but thats just my opinion not the clubs plus we all have to get that all important licence first. I cant see any harm in trying a new approach as Morton was clearly not attracting the fans, it may or may not work but we will find out soon enough
The Lep
22/12/2010, 11:47 AM
I don't know why there isn't more out cry from those who lost points to Bohs last year and therefore prize money per their table position. Bohs and those before them (Drogheda, Cork, Derry, Shels etc) "cheated" by signing players they couldn't pay in persuit of pastures green and the possibility of maybe greater income. Possibility and Maybe a word apart is the clue of how they got here.
Why should a situation where they don't honour creditors demands be tollerated? I know it's the season of good will but come on now, if they can't meet licencing and ergo don't pay players they should go the route of others. 13 weeks of a 12 month contract is simply not fair. Especially when they already 2-3 weeks behind on payments.
I for one hope Bohs pay the players what they are owed,as opposed to stay afloat, in that order and don't confuse the two.
They didnt cheat . now if we got the 3 points from the two games they beat us then we would be league champions by default :)
legendz
22/12/2010, 11:47 AM
Who's in charge of Sporting Fingal? If a merger did happen to happen, which owners will be more in control?
The Lep
22/12/2010, 11:50 AM
Bohs would swallow up Fingal and a merger wouldnt do Bohs any good anyway.
legendz
22/12/2010, 11:53 AM
Ok, I'll move away slowly then fast from the point I was making. At least Sporting Fingal will be moving to what I'd see as a proper football stadium. I've never thought much of Morton but at least it has had it's uses.
The Lep
22/12/2010, 11:57 AM
Agreed.
Dodge
22/12/2010, 12:01 PM
Who's in charge of Sporting Fingal? If a merger did happen to happen, which owners will be more in control?
A merger won't happen. Simply put, Fingal have nothing to offer Bohs
legendz
22/12/2010, 12:10 PM
A merger won't happen. Simply put, Fingal have nothing to offer Bohs
Maybe we'll be looking at a Fingal Bohemians soon enough, with fingals board running the show, who at least seem to have some sort of interest in growing the club in the community, and Bohs history and existing fanbase. It might just get a ground built in the Fingal area quick enough too, if bohs can sell dalymount AGAIN of course.
Sundance raises the point I was going to ask about. Can Boh's and Fingal CC work together for the relocation of Boh's? Boh's moving has been discussed before.
pineapple stu
22/12/2010, 12:12 PM
Doesn't explain why Fingal Co Co would get Dalymount, or where they'd get money from to build a ground.
In any event, Bohs' immediate problem is selling Dalyer, which the Council can't do anything about.
Dillonman
22/12/2010, 12:16 PM
I thought Shels where moving to Dalymount within the next two years? Maybe IM wrong but I could have sworn I saw that somewhere a few months back.
legendz
22/12/2010, 12:19 PM
I was looking at it in terms of Fingal CC running the show if there happened to be a merger as mentioned in sundances thread. Bit wide of the mark so I'm getting away from this! On the money side, yeah I know, fair point. In the short-term the money is not there. If both parties worked together in the long-term, maybe it could be something they can work towards.
Ezeikial
22/12/2010, 1:01 PM
can i be the first to say - "i told you so" to all the doubters who said Bohs wouldnt see 2011.
well that post of mine went totally over your head.
Perhaps it did.
I ask you again ..
I think it is fair to say the the immediate future is shrouded in considerable "doubt" for Bohs - have you some additional knowledge that would alter this widely held view? Do you have a different view?
well then ill ask you, what leads you to think that i might have additional knowledge? What did i post that suggested, in any way, that i had additional knowledge of a more optimistic future for Bohs?
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:06 PM
I posted some months back that Bohs financial problems had crystalised (ie we were finally told about them) as follows (1) long term our problems - Zurich loan etc - will only be resolved by a sale of Dalymount (or picking 6 numbers...:rolleyes:*) (2) Short term we have a difficulty paying our day to day costs - primarily contracted amounts (wages) to players.
Right now (2) is the more accute as the threatened court action and any licence for next season are directly affected by it. To be fair wages for players are not the only outstanding current liability but at this point may well prove the most toxic for the club.
* or reaching the group stage of........... whoops
Apparently there's a split in the Bohs players camp as some aren't happy that players like Madden are getting full wages whilst they're getting nothing
a split of 10 vs. 2 going on yesterdays news.
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:22 PM
Apparently there's a split in the Bohs players camp as some aren't happy that players like Madden are getting full wages whilst they're getting nothing
Ironically enough any fee we might get for Madden (or one or two others) are the best - maybe only - way the others will get anything by way of payment.
* or reaching the group stage of........... whoops
i say lets give it one more shot.
marinobohs
22/12/2010, 2:28 PM
i say lets give it one more shot.
If at first we dont succeed..... ;) By the way SKSTU, congrats on your appointment to the board !
If at first we dont succeed..... ;) By the way SKSTU, congrats on your appointment to the board !
cheers MB, though i was hoping foot.ie wouldnt hear about it.
I see us qualifying for the group stages in 3 of the next 5 seasons. I win!
BonnieShels
22/12/2010, 2:35 PM
I thought Shels where moving to Dalymount within the next two years? Maybe IM wrong but I could have sworn I saw that somewhere a few months back.
Ah sure this rumour comes up every season. From the statements the club made earlier in the year we are staying firmly put. The DCC development plan draft as far as I know changed the zoning to recreational only (can't remember where I read that or how true it is. If anyone can verify please do.) Meaning Tolka Is staying. And Ossie it whoever isn't gonna be building apartments on it in the short term.
i think a lot of people will be surprised by the name of one of the players.
Schumi
22/12/2010, 2:47 PM
Is it Madden? I can't think of anyone else I'd be surprised by.
Hibs4Ever
22/12/2010, 2:51 PM
i think a lot of people will be surprised by the name of one of the players.
Jason Byrne was my guess to be one
not Madden - he is being paid. And i wouldnt be all too surprised if it was him as he comes across as a little <expletive>.
not Byrne, his contract expired and he's no longer at the club.
Ezeikial
22/12/2010, 3:12 PM
well then ill ask you, what leads you to think that i might have additional knowledge?
I don't think that. I asked you if you had additional knowledge, and what your view was.
What did i post that suggested, in any way, that i had additional knowledge of a more optimistic future for Bohs?
This -
can i be the first to say - "i told you so" to all the doubters who said Bohs wouldnt see 2011.
I can only conclude that you want to play semantics. What else is this "I told you so" juvenile nonsense about?
Schumi
22/12/2010, 3:15 PM
It was a joke obviously. Christ.
I can only conclude that you want to play semantics. What else is this "I told you so" juvenile nonsense about?
Ah come on. It was clearly a joke based on the fact that the possible court case couldn't be till January. Lighten up!
Longfordian
22/12/2010, 4:00 PM
I'll guess at Owen Heary. He has form for this type of thing.
Confirmation, apparently? That's a little bit extremely certain alright.
More from McDonnell: Bohs basically saying they won't have any money until mid January, not especially critical of players who have taken action. "The club has informed the players truthfully and honestly regarding its financial situation." - But players feel club too inflexible
http://twitter.com/#!/McDonnellDan
Fits in nicely, the 21 days and mid January. Bluff calling. Knowing Cronin though he'll get his money one way or the other.
Jicked
22/12/2010, 4:06 PM
a split of 10 vs. 2 going on yesterdays news.
Not necessarily, I know who one of the players is, and I know one who definitely isn't. The one who isn't is as unhappy and ****ed off by all accounts but wasn't ready to go down the legal route just yet. Now that the two guys have taken this step I'd say the others will wait in the wings, but aren't going to be too happy if Madden is the only player being paid to stop him ripping up his contract and walking away for free.
Longfordian
22/12/2010, 4:13 PM
Don't they have to have at least an agreement reached over any unpaid wages by the end of December in order to get a Licence? Though I'm sure they'll be let away with it if they get it done the day before the Licencing Committee meets based on previous years.
Jicked
22/12/2010, 4:14 PM
I'd think you can stop worrying about Bohs being a Premier Division team next year, realistically it should never have been an option, was crazy of the board to announce 2 or 3 weeks ago that they were about to apply for a PD licence.
Longfordian
22/12/2010, 4:19 PM
We'd be happy to have them in the First! Shels, Bohs, Drogs and Cork all in the First next year possibly. That's mad.
legendz
22/12/2010, 4:41 PM
They should be heading for Division One after all this. They'll be a good replacement for Derry City in the division.
BonnieShels
22/12/2010, 5:03 PM
We'd be happy to have them in the First! Shels, Bohs, Drogs and Cork all in the First next year possibly. That's mad.
With only Shels in it in 2012.
i think a lot of people will be surprised by the name of one of the players.
Does it not worry you re Nutsy that your Captain is doing this? To me it would seem that Nutsy may well be off as I'm sure if he planned for both he and Heary to be there next season he would've sorted this out privately. Is this potential Euro scout job for Celtic a full time thing or can he manage Bohs as well if he gets it?
Jicked
22/12/2010, 5:17 PM
Ha, maybe not. The FAI are going to announce the LOI fixtures tomorrow, presumably with Bohs in the PD without yet having applied for a licence. Does that suggest the FAI are going to try their best to find a way to keep Bohs in the PD in a couple of months time? Seems very unlikely that Bohs would be able to or even want to play PD ball next year but I forgot you can't rule anything out with the FAI.
HulaHoop
22/12/2010, 5:29 PM
Fits in nicely, the 21 days and mid January. Bluff calling. Knowing Cronin though he'll get his money one way or the other.
Spot on. This is a strategy to make sure Bohs weren't bluffing about paying them in mid January. Someone on our forum posted this earlier and it makes a lot of sense.
None of the eejits on gypoweb seemed to have copped onto what this is all about. From Bohs own statement "The players were told that it would likely be mid-January 2011 when funds would be in place to back the offers." So in late December two unamed players issue a threat to have have a winding up order placed on the club in 21 days. Coincidently 21 days from yesterday is mid January so it doesn't take a genius to work out this is merely a strategy from the players/PFAI to make sure Bohs weren't bluffing when they said mid January and they will actually have to pay up now instead of kicking it down the line again to say mid February. Very clever strategy from the players, it has McGuinness' fingerprints all over it.
The players have called Bohs bluff now, pay up in mid January as promised or it's a winding up order and no LOI licence for you.
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