View Full Version : Bohs in financial trouble - FAI Licencing called into question again?
passerrby
13/02/2011, 10:12 AM
youre the one who needs sanctioning if you think we will sign all those players FFS. Cop yourself on. The reason a lot of players havent signed with us is due to the fact that we havent offered enough and/or another team has offered more. Wise up.
Crying foul over transfer rumours and imaginary wage offers? Ive effing heard it all now.
your right how could anybody even consider that bohs would overspend on players wages i mean what a stupid thing to even discuss
pineapple stu
13/02/2011, 10:52 AM
The reason a lot of players havent signed with us is due to the fact that we havent offered enough and/or another team has offered more..
What do you base that on?
de bowez
13/02/2011, 12:39 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read of some of the players linked with Bohs, both through the media and by Bohs fans
The new mantra appears to be "wage caps at €500" which as a piece of delusional propaganda ranks right up there with "Rovers are part-time" and the 2010 Bohs version "no new contracts over €1,000 pw"
Take Liam Burns as an example - Ian Foster is on record as saying that he had offered him the same terms as last year, which Burns did not accept. Now it appears as though he will sign on for cash-strapped Bohs for a reduced wage of €500 a week!!!
I would be amazed if the Bohs fans speculation about Shaun Williams and Ronan Finn is anything other then bizarre delusion, but when you consider the potential players that are mentioned on the Bohs fourm the mind boggles:
B Murphy
G O'Brien
A Price
L Burns
L Fitzgerald
S Williams
R Bayly
R Finn
S O'Connor
A Flood
C Fagan
C O'Connor,
M Rossiter,
O Heary,
G Cronin,
S Byrne,
G Crowe,
The FAI and the Bohs board have more sense then sanctioning the sort of budget that this would need. Don't they???
B Murphy - stuck with
G O'Brien - newspaper rumour
A Price - laughing stock after last season and has apparently let himself go, hardly big money
L Burns - not sure where this rumour came from, season is about to start, free agents have to be getting desperate.
L Fitzgerald - never heard of him, assume small money?
S Williams - rumour is a loan deal, wouldnt be big money ad highly unlikely to happen
R Bayly - hasn't set the league on fire the last few seasons but is a confirmed signing afaik. Hardly big money
R Finn - newspaper rumour
S O'Connor - old rumour, haven't heard anything recently
A Flood - unlikely to be big money
C Fagan - unlikely to be big money
C O'Connor, - stuck with
M Rossiter, - unlikely to be big money
O Heary, - stuck with
G Cronin, - stuck with
S Byrne, - guessing the new rules regarding taxback means this wont happen
G Crowe, - not happening
A Hungarian - sounds promising, hopefully small money
Both Rovers have been linked with around 150 players, do you think they will actually sign all of them? I'd expect 5-10 players on up to 500 a week with a lot of last seasons A team making up the rest of the squad.
Dodge
13/02/2011, 12:48 PM
S Williams - rumour is a loan deal, wouldnt be big money ad highly unlikely to happen
A loan from who? He's unemployed at the moment
de bowez
13/02/2011, 12:51 PM
A loan from who? He's unemployed at the moment
The rumour is that he signs for Celtic who cant play him till the next transfer window.
So you're negotiating with Celtic?
de bowez
13/02/2011, 1:36 PM
So you're negotiating with Celtic?
Just explaining the rumour, no idea if anyone has spoken to anyone else. Think its far more likely that he'll go the Rovers.
No worries mate, just sounded a bit strange and was wondering if you knew more.
What do you base that on?
players who were on trial with Bohs, Fenlon offered deals to but subsequently signed deals elsewhere.
Sam_Heggy
13/02/2011, 2:55 PM
B Murphy - stuck with
G O'Brien - newspaper rumour
A Price - laughing stock after last season and has apparently let himself go, hardly big money
L Burns - not sure where this rumour came from, season is about to start, free agents have to be getting desperate.
L Fitzgerald - never heard of him, assume small money?
S Williams - rumour is a loan deal, wouldnt be big money ad highly unlikely to happen
R Bayly - hasn't set the league on fire the last few seasons but is a confirmed signing afaik. Hardly big money
R Finn - newspaper rumour
S O'Connor - old rumour, haven't heard anything recently
A Flood - unlikely to be big money
C Fagan - unlikely to be big money
C O'Connor, - stuck with
M Rossiter, - unlikely to be big money
O Heary, - stuck with
G Cronin, - stuck with
S Byrne, - guessing the new rules regarding taxback means this wont happen
G Crowe, - not happening
A Hungarian - sounds promising, hopefully small money
Both Rovers have been linked with around 150 players, do you think they will actually sign all of them? I'd expect 5-10 players on up to 500 a week with a lot of last seasons A team making up the rest of the squad.
Sorry, but how are Bohs "stuck with" he above players?
Plus, 5-10 players on €500 a week is still a pretty big budget for a club that are fooked.
pineapple stu
13/02/2011, 2:57 PM
players who were on trial with Bohs, Fenlon offered deals to but subsequently signed deals elsewhere.
Like who? I thought ye only started looking at signing players in the past week; haven't been too many transfers confirmed in the past week.
players have been training with Bohs for the last 2-3 weeks. Despite only offering contracts last week, terms were discussed well in advance with some players.
pineapple stu
13/02/2011, 3:02 PM
But like who?
de bowez
13/02/2011, 3:03 PM
Sorry, but how are Bohs "stuck with" he above players?
Plus, 5-10 players on €500 a week is still a pretty big budget for a club that are fooked.
Cronin is injured so we're keeping him, PFAI pushed for it afaik but still the right thing to do, Heary has a job as long as Fenlon is there, not fully sure of the story with the 2 keepers, would have preferred to see one or both go.
Seeing as we are stuck with Fenlon and the above players it makes sense to pay a few more players small money picking up Setanta and potentially European money along the way. If we could have got rid of everybody I'd have been happier with an amateur setup but realistically with Zurich looming we're probably better off with a small profit to breakeven budget at Premier div level than dropping down to the A Championship.
But like who?
that info is available on the Bohs message board. Youre always there so you know where to find it. If not, i think a Rovers fan linked to the relevant thread at some stage over the last few days.
Ezeikial
13/02/2011, 3:07 PM
that info is available on the Bohs message board. Youre always there so you know where to find it. If not, i think a Rovers fan linked to the relevant thread at some stage over the last few days.
Translation = "I can't say in case you call me out for spoofing"
pineapple stu
13/02/2011, 3:07 PM
So you don't really know?
yes, i know. Ive told you where you can find it.
Translation = "I can't say in case you call me out for spoofing"
of course i could say. You are also on the Bohs mb quite a lot so you should know what im talking about.
Ezeikial
13/02/2011, 3:15 PM
Cronin is injured so we're keeping him,
Stuck with him alright - would hardly have agreed to any termination deal, as he could not have got a contract elsewhere
Heary has a job as long as Fenlon is there, not fully sure of the story with the 2 keepers, would have preferred to see one or both go.
Not "stuck with" any of these three. Choosing to keep them
Seeing as we are stuck with Fenlon
Contract to 2013 - cheaper to pay him off then to keep him?
IMO Fenlon is more "part of the problem", then "part of the solution"
...... picking up Setanta and potentially European money along the way.
A leopard cannot change it's spots!
Ezeikial
13/02/2011, 3:17 PM
of course i could say.
Then tell us please....
why is it such a big deal to you two? The obsession over such a trivial point is weird.
heres the link - anything you need to know is in there.
http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Ezeikial
13/02/2011, 3:22 PM
why is it such a big deal to you weirdos?
heres the link - anything you need to know is in there.
http://www.thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Name calling does not wash.
It is pretty clear that you are spoofing
oh okay then. I am spoofing because you think i am. The link is there should you choose to click it.
de bowez
13/02/2011, 3:26 PM
A leopard cannot change it's spots!
You realise that you get money for playing in both competitions? I dont mean group stages or win, I mean the bare minimum.
I would prefer if Fenlon went, he is too good for the job and too well paid, no point paying him off, Im sure he'll go when the right job comes along.
passerrby
13/02/2011, 5:17 PM
was coming through dublin airport yesterday when I spotted a guy with a sign saying shamrock rovers just wondered who he was meeting ... it was in english so i assume it was not someone from scotland
Réiteoir
13/02/2011, 5:17 PM
Name calling does not wash.
It is pretty clear that you are spoofing
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3719672/480/Zezr%C4%99by/ava-trollface-200.jpg
White Horse
15/02/2011, 2:09 PM
After weeks of speculation regarding the future of the north Dublin club, Fenlon announced the signing of no less than nine players ahead of the start of the new season.
Liam Burns, Anto Flood, Ger O’Brien, Aiden Price, Robert Bayley, Christopher Fagan, Daniel Joyce and former Bohs duo Mark Rossiter and Gary Burke will all be wearing the red and black of Bohs this season.
Despite the large number of new arrivals at the club, Fenlon admits that there may well be more new faces in the coming days. “We’re still talking to a few players at the moment about coming.” said Fenlon.
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/4942/
Anyone know what budget Bohs are working to? Dundalk couldn't afford to retain Burns, the Bohs offer was more than we were paying him last year.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 2:17 PM
Was hoping it would be 250k or so but judging by these signings could be as high as 500k.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 2:25 PM
Liam Burns (defender), who returns to Bohemians after two seasons with Dundalk
Aidan Price (defender), who joins from Shamrock Rovers
Ger O’Brien (defender/midfield), who has played most recently with Sporting Fingal and, before that, with Derry City and Shamrock Rovers
Chris Fagan (striker), a former Home Farm schoolboy player who has been with Lincoln City since 2009
Anto Flood (striker), formerly with Pat Fenlon in Shelbourne and who played last season with Galway United
Robert Bayly (striker), who joins from Shamrock Rovers, having previously been with Leeds United.
Daniel Joyce (defender), a former Bohemians youth player who is with Reading FC in the English Championship, joins the squad on loan.
Gary Burke (striker), who was in Bohemians’ Under-20 squad last year but made several senior team appearances, has a contract the senior squad.
The following players who were with the squad last year stay on or return for 2011: Chris O’Connor (goalkeeper), Owen Heary (defender), Glenn Cronin (midfield) and Mark Rossiter (defender).
Judging by this I'd say Burns will easily be our highest paid player, can't see any of the other players on that list being massive money, first team football should be a major factor for most of them.
SwanVsDalton
15/02/2011, 2:28 PM
I'd have thought O'Brien isn't far behind Burns, was he not a regular for Fingal? Decent player during his spell in Derry, would've thought he had options and bargaining power.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 2:33 PM
Possibly, timing will have been a major factor, most teams have their first team budget practically spent at this stage I'd say.
total hoofball
15/02/2011, 2:40 PM
I'd have thought O'Brien isn't far behind Burns, was he not a regular for Fingal? Decent player during his spell in Derry, would've thought he had options and bargaining power.
O'Brien was on BIG money at Fingal, Burns' pay at Dundalk last season would have made him look like a peasant compared to O'Brien.
Bohs have to be spending about 6k per week on those 12 players, if they are signing more players it's ****take territory
de bowez
15/02/2011, 2:43 PM
O'Brien was on BIG money at Fingal, Burns' pay at Dundalk last season would have made him look like a peasant compared to O'Brien.
Bohs have to be spending about 6k per week on those 12 players, if they are signing more players it's ****take territory
6k a week over 36 weeks is 216k, as I said above 250k wouldn't be the end of the world.
O'Brien was on BIG money at Fingal, Burns' pay at Dundalk last season would have made him look like a peasant compared to O'Brien.
Bohs have to be spending about 6k per week on those 12 players, if they are signing more players it's ****take territory
how does everyone know how much every player in the league was on last season? Can you share some figures please?
pineapple stu
15/02/2011, 2:47 PM
That's before you add in squad players and coaching staff don't forget. And Bohs have a rake of other big expenses (including a bit whack of interest, obviously), as your accounts regularly show. I'd reckon if those twelve players - over 40 weeks usually, I think - is E6k a week, then you're looking at an overall budget getting on for E1m. That's a lot.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 2:54 PM
Too late into preseason for a 40 week contract. Squad players will be A team squad.
Our Playing Budget was cut to €2,000 by the FAI and they wanted us to go all amateur.What a joke its anger now nothing else sickened.
6k a week over 36 weeks is 216k, as I said above 250k wouldn't be the end of the world.
Thats about what Bohs fans raised over recent months isn't it?
pineapple stu
15/02/2011, 3:00 PM
Too late into preseason for a 40 week contract. Squad players will be A team squad.
First part's quite possible alright.
Second part - say you add another ten players @ E100 a week; that's E36k onto your E216k, so E250k players' wages alone. Fenlon's on what - E100k? (I've no idea; I think that number's been mentioned before). Another E500 a week for each of four coaches, say - that's another E72k. Interest of E100k. That's over half a mill already. The Bohs accounts will show the other outlays (legal, referees, insurance, membership, travel, etc, etc, etc) which are usually quite big. So it's still quite possibly getting on for E1m to run the club for the year.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 3:04 PM
Agreed, however taking those figures means simply promoting the A team would have left the costs at 800k or so for the year.
pineapple stu
15/02/2011, 3:05 PM
One way of looking at it alright. Though an extra E200k is a lot to add on to a budget (given there's First Division clubs being run off that for a whole season).
de bowez
15/02/2011, 3:06 PM
Thats about what Bohs fans raised over recent months isn't it?
The majority used to pay off players and restructure debt the rest used to kickstart these contracts.
de bowez
15/02/2011, 3:08 PM
One way of looking at it alright. Though an extra E200k is a lot to add on to a budget (given there's First Division clubs being run off that for a whole season).
Its not ideal but then Im not happy with the way the club has been run over the last 10 years anyway. To argue the other side once you are paying Fenlon 100k or whatever it makes sense to give him some sort of budget to try to break even with and let him try to work some magic.
Jicked
15/02/2011, 3:29 PM
Amazing decision from Bohs. Fenlon's begging in the press the other week that he couldn't put together a team to put pressure on the board to stump up the cash, and shock horror they find the money to assemble an experienced first team with plenty of honours behind them.
Here's the best line from the article about the press conference
''He (Fenlon) also underlined the important work behind the scenes and the dedication of supporters that had made it possible to put a squad together.''
So the Bohs fans raffling off Maradona jerseys, and organising this gig in the Olympia is all to pay Boccer Bayly and Liam Burn's wages in the hope of getting in to Europe again. Incredible.
you said last year that Bayly was on fck all with Rovers. You released him. He's hardly going to sign on megabucks now, is he.
experienced first team with plenty of honours? You're having a laugh, right? Burns, Price and Bayly are the three out of the seven signings that have "honours". All of which means fck all anyway in terms of contract offers as it is a clubs market at the moment a fact which im sure Rovers and everyone else are all too aware of.
The thing people arent acknowledging is we had 4 players on our books from last years 1st team squad (plus Cronin is injured). We had 4-5 players on our books from the youth team. Otherwise we couldnt field a team this season! We have signed 7 more players - most will be on a lot less than others. I dont know what else we were expected to do and as long as we were prudent in our offers then i wont have a problem.
But dont let that stop you getting all hot and bothered...
Schumi
15/02/2011, 3:45 PM
you said last year that Bayly was on fck all with Rovers. You released him. He's hardly going to sign on megabucks now, is he.
You'll have to pay plenty in fines though when he loses his temper and gets sent off.
Jicked
15/02/2011, 3:52 PM
Here we go again, why don't we just copy and paste our arguments from 12 months ago when the Magnificent Seven were unveiled.
Well yes Bayly was on a small wage for a league challenging side last year, but he would have been well paid for the likes of Drogheda and Bray, who surely should be Bohs rivals this season. You can make fun of the signings of Price and Bayly, but they've just played an awful lot of games for the League Champions, playing pretty big parts in the title win. They're not exactly barrel scraping signings whether you like them or not.
When you say you don't know what you want to do I'm not really sure what to say. Monaghan, Bray and Drogheda will be in the Premier Division next year. They also have to worry about putting out a side, but will be doing so for a hell of a lot cheaper than what Bohs will.
Remember, this is in a season where the chances are there will be no relegation from the Division. Your perfect chance to put a side out for as cheap as Bray did last year, pocket the Europa League, LoI and Setanta Cup money, rebuild the squad on the pitch by keeping whatever decent young players come through from the year, and then start again in 12 months time still in the 12 team Premier Division, with the money from this year going towards actually restructuring your long term debt and putting the club in a better position going forward.
Well yes Bayly was on a small wage for a league challenging side last year, but he would have been well paid for the likes of Drogheda and Bray, who surely should be Bohs rivals this season. You can make fun of the signings of Price and Bayly, but they've just played an awful lot of games for the League Champions, playing pretty big parts in the title win. They're not exactly barrel scraping signings whether you like them or not.
Okay so Bayly was on a small wedge last year. Id venture he's on a small wedge again this year. Your post also suggests that Rovers are paying above the odds as they are a league challenging team again this year. Not really sure where your going with that, either he was on a small wage or he was not.
Where have i made fun of Bayly and Price by the way? In fact i singled them out as two signings with honours.
Also, you failed to acknowledge the fact that, more than ever before, this season is a clubs market. That will have had a huge bearing on the contracts that ALL clubs are offering.
When you say you don't know what you want to do I'm not really sure what to say. Monaghan, Bray and Drogheda will be in the Premier Division next year. They also have to worry about putting out a side, but will be doing so for a hell of a lot cheaper than what Bohs will.
I stated that we have to be able to field a team. We made some astute signings of youngsters who will be on a very small wedge, a very young loanee and 3 of your so called players with "experience and plenty of honours". Seeing as though you seem to know how much Monaghan, Bray and Drogs are going to be spending, could you please share that information so i can share that with the Bohs members for comparison sake? Thanks.
Remember, this is in a season where the chances are there will be no relegation from the Division. Your perfect chance to put a side out for as cheap as Bray did last year, pocket the Europa League, LoI and Setanta Cup money, rebuild the squad on the pitch by keeping whatever decent young players come through from the year, and then start again in 12 months time still in the 12 team Premier Division, with the money from this year going towards actually restructuring your long term debt and putting the club in a better position going forward.
We have actually restructured our debt. We have retructured our budget and are now focussed on the season ahead and the long term challenges we still face. Nothing has changed except 6 new signings and a loanee.
Spudulika
15/02/2011, 4:29 PM
From what I saw Bohs have some half decent under-20 and A team players, so they will be good squad players with a couple well able to step up. It's very interesting to see that everyone seems to know what everyone is earning, especially when it comes to cheapshotting other clubs. Bohs could realistically budget for 1-1.3million as they have the earning capacity to do so. Rovers, apparently, are budgeting for closer to 2million, while Sligo Rovers somewhere in between. As it stands it's a 2 horse race again, unless Dundalk, Pats and Monaghan can put up a good show (tongue removed from cheek after last sentences).
pineapple stu
15/02/2011, 4:33 PM
Bohs could realistically budget for 1-1.3million as they have the earning capacity to do so.
Average crowds of about 1300? 1300 @ E10 x 20 home games = E260k.
Yes, there's prize money, sponsorship, membership, etc, but there's also debt to be paid off. It's a massive leap to suggest that Bohs could realistically budget for E1m.
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