James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

[johnnyc]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

I don't like that idea.

[johnnyc]

There's obviously a large difference of opinion on this topic among the forum member.
Maybe it's time the mods got involved to clarify the situation - after all what else are they there for?

So please mods let us know what the stance of Foot.ie on this subject is.
This will either stop people complaining about whwn other bring up the political side of the debate or stop those bringing up the political side of the debate from complaining when they are told to shut up and bring it to another thread.


I like that idea. Just wanna say though that I'm not telling anyone to shut up. Just think football and politics are two different things. If a players heritage or whatever is being discussed that's certainly relevant, but I honestly don't see how history and disussions of whether or not to use a capital "N" in Northern Ireland belong in a thread on a footballer...!?!

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, for all McClean knew he just slipped...just saying I know some will be arguing he shouldn't have carried on.He'd have needed eyes on the back of his head to realise Mertersacker was in trouble. When McClean got the ball first it just looked like he had slipped. Nothing wrong with playing on in those circumstances.

[johnnyc]

He'd have needed eyes on the back of his head to realise Mertersacker was in trouble. When McClean got the ball first it just looked like he had slipped. Nothing wrong with playing on in those circumstances.

Totally agree. I was a bit worried the press would pick up on it and call him a cheat or unsporting or something.

[elroy]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.

As there is a substantial thread dedicated to the political eligibility matter, surely its not unreasonable to ask that such related debate is confined to that thread, rather than every single thread of a 6 county born player becoming dominated by that very same issue. No one is saying the debate should be ignored or stopped but please can it not be kept to a thread fully dedicated to it.

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

[SkStu]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.


There's obviously a large difference of opinion on this topic among the forum member.
Maybe it's time the mods got involved to clarify the situation - after all what else are they there for?

So please mods let us know what the stance of Foot.ie on this subject is.
This will either stop people complaining about whwn other bring up the political side of the debate or stop those bringing up the political side of the debate from complaining when they are told to shut up and bring it to another thread.

i will add these two posts to the support forum for discussion and clarification from Dahamsta and his team of motley mods.

i believe the eligibility thread is for all things related to eligibility inclusive of when players bring politics into it as ArdeeBhoy raised above. Keep these threads for player news and performances.

[the bear]

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

nobody, i would of named a bigger squad, it would give youngsters a feel for how the international scene works and keep regulars on their toes

[ArdeeBhoy]

I'm sure the players involved will welcome your concern...
:rolleyes:

And agree with The Bear. A bigger squad would have made more sense.

Or if a choice had to be made, probably Stephen Hunt would be dropped for this game and maybe Duff for Pilkington or Hoolahan, as they should both be looked at in friendlies ASAP.

Especially if McGeady's injured.

[DannyInvincible]

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

Agrre with 'the bear' above. Besides, isn't Coleman injured?

[DannyInvincible]

Keep these threads for player news and performances.

Like news on their eligibility and that? :o

[SkStu]

Like news on their eligibility and that? :o

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[paul_oshea]

people who say politics and football don't mix don't know anything about football. Or politics.

that's not to say I don't just ignore the posts where they are mixed.

[johnnyc]

people who say politics and football don't mix don't know anything about football. Or politics.

that's not to say I don't just ignore the posts where they are mixed.


I have very little interest in (and therefore knowledge of) politics. I can assure you I know quite a bit about football though, thanks very much. I'm sure quite a few of those with an interest in both topics can see the logic of a football site being primarily about football and something like politics.ie being primarily concerned with politics?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, but what about the replies to your original moan on this?

And the context of where certain players come from?

[Olé Olé]

Aye, but what about the replies to your original moan on this?

And the context of where certain players come from?

Exactly. All of the discussion on McClean and his background is relevant in the context of his circumstances. Discussion on these matters seems to pertain mostly to McClean and these circumstances and sometimes deviates to incorporate a broader discussion, but nothing irrelevant. A quick look at his twitter account will show McClean is as willing to entertain commentary regarding to his performances on the field, as he is his background (a former NI u21 from Derry).

I'm not quite sure how voicing complaints against political discussion in this thread is going to serve any purpose. If people were discussing the Greek IMF bailout in the Richard Dunne thread then there would be quite an issue.

[johnnyc]

Aye, but what about the replies to your original moan on this?

And the context of where certain players come from?

What about the replies??? And those who have argued a similar point to myself for that matter.

And again, if it's directly relevant to the player and concerns his connections to Northern Ireland/The IFA/his upbringing/his recent performances/hairstyle/girlfriend/favourite breakfast cereal/blah... then it's obvious it belongs in a thread about him. I'm arguing that if it's about a broader topic, it shouldn't be in a player thread.

Look, I'm happy for the mods to sort this one out. I just want to read/talk about football, lads. I (and a fair few others) would rather not have to wade through the same old "political" disussions to do so. Good luck.

[ArdeeBhoy]

But do you not understand? "The same old"political" discussions will exist in perpetuity unless some extreme conclusion is suddenly reached.

Why do people want to disregard the wider context in which we live?

[OwenGoal]

@ Johnnyc

Here's a tip: I check this forum several times a day for the latest info, though I rarely post. If I see that the last post on any particular thread is by Ardeebhoy I know I don't have to bother reading it. He's actually quite useful for saving time.

Monothemism is a form of mental illness.

[elroy]

But do you not understand? "The same old"political" discussions will exist in perpetuity unless some extreme conclusion is suddenly reached.

Why do people want to disregard the wider context in which we live?

No one is disregarding the wider context - all that is being asked is that wider context is discussed in a thread specifically devoted to it, surely that is not an unreasonable request. As you had said this matter will most likely exist in perpetuity, so then again is it not unreasonable to discuss this near ending matter in one concentrated thread rather than in several numerous thread. Surely you will even have to admit that was the very reason a single devoted thread was set up in the first instance.

One cannot really speak about Mcclean in the political/eligibility context without refering to the likes of Gibson, Kearns, Duffy etc. Then surely the best place for such discussion is in the thread devoted to that matter.

In McCleans case, his eligbility has been sorted and is clear, one could argue there is no further debate to be had in this regard.

[DannyInvincible]

Just like Stephen Ireland's international retirement has been sorted and is clear, so no need to ever speak of him again... :p

[elroy]

Just like Stephen Ireland's international retirement has been sorted and is clear, so no need to ever speak of him again... :p

McCleans eligibility is certain.

Irelands retirement (unfortunately due to the regular comments he or his missus makes) isnt as certain.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Here's a tip: I check this forum several times a day for the latest info, though I rarely post. If I see that the last post on any particular thread is by Ardeebhoy I know I don't have to bother reading it. He's actually quite useful for saving time.

Monothemism is a form of mental illness.
Hmm, so much so that you responded immediately after one of my posts.
So, No, You Didn't read it at all.

Here's another tip. If you're going to use a long word you probably don't understand, at least spell it right and apply it in the right context...

Or if you find it all so contrary, why not share your great wisdom further?
:rolleyes:

[Murfinator]

Baffled at the decision by Trapatoni: be faithful to those who got us to the finals, sure, but what possible harm is there in bringing-in the young talent and showing them around the premises, so to speak. .

You are aware Trap is preparing for our first Euros in 20 years and that this isn't a 7up summer camp?

[OwenGoal]

Hmm, so much so that you responded immediately after one of my posts.
So, No, You Didn't read it at all.

Here's another tip. If you're going to use a long word you probably don't understand, at least spell it right and apply it in the right context...

Or if you find it all so contrary, why not share your great wisdom further?







Not monotheism, nitwit, monothemism as in monothematic. Admittedly the concept noun is somewhat contrived.
:

[ArdeeBhoy]

You need to learn to quote, Before you try to be 'ironic'. And get your definition right. FIRST time.
Good Luck.
;)

And what is the 'one theme', anyway??
:rolleyes:

[ArdeeBhoy]

Just to prove it?
On course to be one of Doire's richest sportsmen ever?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Sunderland-James-McClean-to-have-pay-tripled-after-bursting-into-first-team-article865063.html

[johnnyc]

I'm gonna read the hell out of that story which is relevant to James McClean and is appropriate to this thread.

[johnnyc]

More opinions on our James here.
http://www.football365.com/faves/7518940/Top-Ten

[gustavo]

I understand the objections of people with no interest in eligibility matters having to trawl through masses of eligibility-related discussion, but how do you distinguish between what should and shouldn't be here though? In the case of McClean, discussion on his eligibility/switch is as relevant and appropriate in this thread as discussion of his football, surely?

Disagree- He's declared for us so end of story on that one.

Please keep on topic of footballing matters related to James , If you want to discuss elegibility matters theres a 100 plus page cesspit elsewhere

[geysir]

Ah, dressing up a condescension with a little mudslinging.
If you don't care for the eligibility thread, you can chose your words better or just say nothing.
That kind of crude attitude would not be tolerated in the eligibility thread.
:D

[tricky_colour]

Disagree- He's declared for us so end of story on that one.

Please keep on topic of footballing matters related to James , If you want to discuss elegibility matters theres a 100 plus page cesspit elsewhere

I have always preferred to have topic related threads rather than player related threads.

Thus you could have separate threads for his eligibility and his football performance thus you can pick and choose what you want to read or not.

[amaccann]

You are aware Trap is preparing for our first Euros in 20 years and that this isn't a 7up summer camp?

Doesn't matter what it is, it couldn't possibly do any harm to expand the squad and call in player like McClean. Ultimately he'll get his chance of course, bar a disasterous drop in form, so I'm not that upset. I just think McClean would benefit from working with his future squad members. *shrug*

[Olé Olé]

Doesn't matter what it is, it couldn't possibly do any harm to expand the squad and call in player like McClean. Ultimately he'll get his chance of course, bar a disasterous drop in form, so I'm not that upset. I just think McClean would benefit from working with his future squad members. *shrug*

If Trap values loyalty over picking form players then letting McClean hang around with the squad hardly serves that much of a purpose. There will be more friendlies after the Euro's and the bedding in process can begin then. Right now, if McClean is not going to be considered for the Euro's, then maybe he's better off focusing on maintaining his form and progression with Sunderland, knowing that international recognition will be one of the fruits of his labours.

[magicman]

I dunno, I think I have to agree with amaccann on this one. There can be no harm whatsoever in inviting a couple of young players to this get together. I'm not talking about adding 10 players but if Trap was to call up McClean and to a lesser extent, maybe one or two like Duffy(I know he is in the squad now but I'm talking about the original squad), Meyler, McCann. Tell them that they wouldn't be playing any part in the friendly but as they are the future would they like to come over and train with the squad.

They would be arriving over to train with a squad brimming with confidence, or at least a happy camp and it would be an easy introduction to the group. It would be a chance to see what they could be apart of if they keep playing to their abilities.

[BonnieShels]

Ah, dressing up a condescension with a little mudslinging.
If you don't care for the eligibility thread, you can chose your words better or just say nothing.
That kind of crude attitude would not be tolerated in the eligibility thread.
:D

Gastric gives gratitude to Geysir after he guts Gustavo.

[Olé Olé]

I dunno, I think I have to agree with amaccann on this one. There can be no harm whatsoever in inviting a couple of young players to this get together. I'm not talking about adding 10 players but if Trap was to call up McClean and to a lesser extent, maybe one or two like Duffy(I know he is in the squad now but I'm talking about the original squad), Meyler, McCann. Tell them that they wouldn't be playing any part in the friendly but as they are the future would they like to come over and train with the squad.

They would be arriving over to train with a squad brimming with confidence, or at least a happy camp and it would be an easy introduction to the group. It would be a chance to see what they could be apart of if they keep playing to their abilities.

Fair enough, there are positives to take from having an extended training squad (something Trap hasn't done in a while) but maybe so close to the Euro's Trap would like to focus his resources and attention on the players he's bringing to the Euro's and ensuring he has a strong unit. Not that the likes of McCann, Meyler and McClean would disturb the unit but the Euro's have to be the main point of focus and the next qualification series is a totally different issue and task.

[the bear]

Gastric gives gratitude to Geysir after he guts Gustavo.

absoloutley amazing alliteration

[the bear]

dunphy just gone off on one about the exclusion of mcclean and clark on rte there. said trap was neglecting his duties. some man for sensationalising everything

[Olé Olé]

dunphy just gone off on one about the exclusion of mcclean and clark on rte there. said trap was neglecting his duties. some man for sensationalising everything

Watched the best of Dunphy on youtube the other day. side-splitting stuff..."Niall Quinn is a creep...I know who wrote that article; Rod Liddle. He's the man that left his wife and ran off with a young one!"

He advocated Trap to the hilt upon appointment. He bangs on about this neglecting of duties stuff now instead.

[the bear]

ye he's a gas man. in fairness i find myself agreeing with a lot of the basics of things he says, even in this case, mcclean deserves to be in the squad. But the way he goes about making his point is ridiculous most of the time. very funny though

dunphy: you don't know what your talking about
souness: where did you manage?
dunphy: i managed to stay alive for 62 and half years baby

[co. down green]

dunphy just gone off on one about the exclusion of mcclean and clark on rte there. said trap was neglecting his duties. some man for sensationalising everything

Clark's injured so unavailable

[ArdeeBhoy]

It might, just might be the only time in his life D*nphy has been, er, right...

[BonnieShels]

dunphy just gone off on one about the exclusion of mcclean and clark on rte there. said trap was neglecting his duties. some man for sensationalising everything

Sure he also just said that he never rated Henry.

Now I hate the cheatin' frog for many reasons. Most notably because he's an arrogant fcuknut and because he handled a ball in some match. But he was a cracking player.

[geysir]

I heard a bit of that on RTE last night.

Probably, as I was just not interested in listening to rambling rant nr.1566 from Dunphy, I left the room to make a cup of tea, even my dog got up and followed me,

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hopefully this meets your precious criteria...

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article/2-sport-news/133-how-mcclean-earned-his-stripes-

[geysir]

It's a good read, we'll wait for Danny to dissect it for any half truths and falsehoods.

[Olé Olé]

Good read is right. Some very insightful snippets, particularly the part about O'Shea et al urging Bruce to give McClean a start, his commitment to progression through hard-work and how the Sunderland scout liked what he saw in him. I hope this lad goes all the way.

[tetsujin1979]

McClean starting up front today, according to Sky Sports

[tricky_colour]

McClean starting up front today, according to Sky Sports

I just checked the squad on the BBC and he is oneof the last two listed , so that seem to be correct.

ill be interesting to see how it turns out, the game is live on TV here in the UK on ITV, I am not sure if you can get that in Ireland? Although I expect you can pick up UK TV signals from Dublin perhaps?

[Predator]

5 in the midfield, is my guess.