James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

[DannyInvincible]

Until it is ever proven that the bullets were posted by NI fans, I don't think it's fair to assume that NI fans had anything to do with that sorry episode. It might even have been a "false flag" stunt, for all we know. Did the bullets definitely originate from NI? I thought I recalled reading something about the NI sorting office in which the bullets were intercepted having been a general UK sorting office, but maybe I'm mistaken. Sending bulk amounts of general UK post to an NI sorting office and onward to their destination doesn't make a huge deal of sense when I think about it.

[gastric]

The onus of proof is on the person making the allegation.

Are you familiar with that fundamental tenet of law?

Goodnight.

Pity there wasn't "and goodbye' on the end of that comment!

[DannyInvincible]

The onus of proof is on the person making the allegation.

Are you familiar with that fundamental tenet of law?

Goodnight.

I didn't realise you believed in due process. Didn't you imply that Joe Brolly's professional legal defence of some "interesting characters charged with various acts of terrorism" was a stain on Brolly's character over on ILS recently? ;)

[ArdeeBhoy]

I just hope you mend your differences with your boys over on owc in the near future. You seem lost for an online home! :)

Amen to that!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Until it is ever proven that the bullets were posted by NI fans, I don't think it's fair to assume that NI fans had anything to do with that sorry episode. It might even have been a "false flag" stunt, for all we know. Did the bullets definitely originate from NI? I thought I recalled reading something about the NI sorting office in which the bullets were intercepted having been a general UK sorting office, but maybe I'm mistaken. Sending bulk amounts of general UK post to an NI sorting office and onward to their destination doesn't make a huge deal of sense when I think about it.

As I recall, they were postmarked as being sent in Ayrshire and Antrim. One of which is in Scotland, the other, somewhere...

[DannyInvincible]

As I recall, they were postmarked as being sent in Ayrshire and Antrim. One of which is in Scotland, the other, somewhere...

Just reading that myself. Not sure where I got that other idea from.

[The Fly]

Perhaps you should take that one up with your vice-president (http://media.photobucket.com/image/irish football association raymond kennedy orange order/Mr_Parker2006/idiotface1.jpg)

Congratulations on such a well thought out post.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Just reading that myself. Not sure where I got that other idea from.

Heh. Just that they were sent to Messrs.Lennon, McCourt & McGinn, so a good job Mr.McClean didn't join Celtic...

More worryingly was they caught up with most of the internet haters, but not sure if they ever charged anyone for this which is rather more serious.
As to who, well there's plenty of suspects...

[nigel-harps1954]

Holy christ people, the latter part this thread is cringeworthy.

[tricky_colour]

McClean got a medium rating on Sky Sports which seems about right, but other players featured more on the night.
HE would perhaps to be best advised to not get too involved with twitter, but then he only responded to a journalist(?) comment,
but it's so easy to get get dragged into stiff and it can get out of hand, I mean look at Joey Barton he very nearly got
done for contempt of court!! So many other people get themselves into trouble using it, including politicians who should
know better. But then on the other hand I suppose if it makes the newspapers at least you know someone actually reads your tweets!!

[The Fly]

Holy christ people, the latter part this thread is cringeworthy.

Seconded.

[gastric]

Holy christ people, the latter part this thread is cringeworthy.

Blame Not Brazil. He is like a bad case of herpes, he completely distracts and irritates you and you live in hope he will go away!

[Not Brazil]

Until it is ever proven that the bullets were posted by NI fans, I don't think it's fair to assume that NI fans had anything to do with that sorry episode. It might even have been a "false flag" stunt, for all we know.

Simple as that really.

I'm not a Tweeter - I know you enjoy that sort of thing. Maybe you'll tweet young James and let him know your thoughts on his comments?

[OMTY]

Try that in a Court.

Is it fair to say that the South'a supporters who chanted about "up the RA" in the Aviva are the kind of people who support sectarian murder?

Or the South's fans who chanted about hating Brits in Germany are the kind of people who hate the British populace of this island, whom they claim to wish to be united with?


How's about we just agree that McClean made totally unfounded allegations about Northern Ireland fans, and that You Tube wars about sectarianism will bring no victor?

PS: No orange in my National Flag.

PPS: Search Northern Ireland fans Paddy MCCourt in You Tube.

What or where is this South you refer to?

[SolitudeRed]

Well the shinners often refer to the North of Ireland which sends OWC types into a frenzy so lets not be so insecure and get too carried away like they do!! We all know he means the South of Ireland/26 counties...

NotBrazil on your suggestions for some sort of voluntary agreement based on the age of 18 etc do you think it would be acceptable for all NI fans for a player who had declared for the FAI to return to the IFA? I remember a couple of years ago when Duffy had his bad accident in training I was on holiday at the time with a couple of friends one of whom was a NI fan and he was positively rejoicing in Duffy's misfortune and similar sentiments were expressed on ILS by some posters. It would seem to be a difficult thing to win over all Northern fans in that case imo.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Holy christ people, the latter part this thread is cringeworthy.

How so? Others might complain about your blasphemy!

Anyway, it's probably due to the increased input of a certain poster...

[DannyInvincible]

Simple as that really.

I'm not a Tweeter - I know you enjoy that sort of thing. Maybe you'll tweet young James and let him know your thoughts on his comments?

It was pointed out to him immediately by NI fan, Phil Dowie. I've done the same myself.

[DannyInvincible]

Well the shinners often refer to the North of Ireland which sends OWC types into a frenzy so lets not be so insecure and get too carried away like they do!! We all know he means the South of Ireland/26 counties...

NotBrazil on your suggestions for some sort of voluntary agreement based on the age of 18 etc do you think it would be acceptable for all NI fans for a player who had declared for the FAI to return to the IFA? I remember a couple of years ago when Duffy had his bad accident in training I was on holiday at the time with a couple of friends one of whom was a NI fan and he was positively rejoicing in Duffy's misfortune and similar sentiments were expressed on ILS by some posters. It would seem to be a difficult thing to win over all Northern fans in that case imo.

I've seen abuse directed at Shane Ferguson lately due to his mulling over of his international future last summer. And whilst he'd been considering things, the general consensus amongst those concerned enough to post about it on OWC seemed to be: "If he's nat in it 100 per cent, then he can git tee [you know where]!"

[gustavo]

, football or sport is not always just about the game. Sometimes there are wider issues at stake.

Unfortunately not , for if it was indeed just about the football I'd imagine your post count would be a lot less

[Predator]

Derry are set to get a financial boost if McClean is called up, according to some reports. Call him up Trap!

[punkrocket]

Is there a payment for making the squad or does he have to play?
In the absence of decent money being paid to local clubs for our players, robust add ons such as this are perhaps the only way to get any value out of sales.

[DannyInvincible]

Derry are set to get a financial boost if McClean is called up, according to some reports. Call him up Trap!

Would Derry have received as significant a financial bonus, or one at all, if McClean was called up to or capped by the senior NI team? Conspiracy theorists, stay tuned...

[DannyInvincible]

Transpires they would have: http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/sport/football/city_to_get_mcclean_bonus_1_3505446


City chairman Philip O’Doherty confirmed that as part of McClean’s deal across to the Black Cats involved a clause if the winger received any international caps.

“Yes part of James’ deal to Sunderland we have a clause in it stating we would receiving a certain sum of money if he received any international caps,” admitted Doherty.

[osarusan]

City chairman Philip O’Doherty confirmed that as part of McClean’s deal across to the Black Cats involved a clause if the winger received any international caps.

“Yes part of James’ deal to Sunderland we have a clause in it stating we would receiving a certain sum of money if he received any international caps,” admitted Doherty.
Why does the article use the word 'admitted' when Derry should be commended for getting such a clause in a contract?

[Charlie Darwin]

'Admitted' is one of those stupid words journalists use instead of 'said' because it's been drilled into them not to use simple language.

[DannyInvincible]

The Sentinel generally has a unionist political alignment and largely caters for a unionist audience - maybe they see a club that draws most of its support from the nationalist community benefiting as a bad thing - although I'd be more inclined to go with Charlie's explanation.

[Charlie Darwin]

At least they didn't say 'confessed Doherty.'

[DannyInvincible]

RTÉ's Tony O'Donoghue now reporting that FIFA have cleared McClean to play for Ireland: https://twitter.com/#!/Corktod/status/167700189149282307


@Corktod
Tony O'Donoghue
James McClean cleared by FIFA to play for the Republic of Ireland.

On the eve of the naming of a senior squad, I can't imagine it to be mere coincidence. I'd be extremely surprised if McClean wasn't in tomorrow's squad.

[DannyInvincible]

Confirmed by RTÉ: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0209/mccleanj.html


RTÉ Sport understands that James McClean's international eligibilty papers have been approved by FIFA.

The move clears the way for the Derryman to be included in the Republic of Ireland squad which will be announced on Friday for the upcoming friendly against the Czech Republic.

[geysir]

Hell No!…. I want Keogh.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Unfortunately not , for if it was indeed just about the football I'd imagine your post count would be a lot less

And presumably various other more distinguished posters, also...

[shakermaker1982]

Poor lad has been getting some abuse off the Nordies on twitter (or are they foot.ie posters pretending to be Nordies>!). Doesn't seem fazed by it in the slightest. Fingers crossed he's in the squad today.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yes, but don't mention it, as it's not 'about' football...
:rolleyes:

[TrapAPony]

Not in the Irish squad:(

[BonnieShels]

Link..

[TrapAPony]

Ciarán Ó Raghallaig (https://twitter.com/#!/Ciaran_O)h on twitter
''James McClean NOT in Ireland squad''

[shakermaker1982]

WTF? Why not just invite him over anyway?

[BonnieShels]

Cheers.

I'll wait for a more reliable "journalist".

[shakermaker1982]

FAI released squad on twitter. He's not in :(

[BonnieShels]

Now I'm not impressed.

[Philly]

Baffling decision not to give him a shot. He has been the best Irish player in the Premiership the past 2 months bar none.

[Predator]

It was a hope against hope that McClean would be included in the squad. We know Trapattoni's modus operandi, yet we thought that James might just edge in.

McClean recently said in an interview that he hadn't a notion whether or not he would be in the squad, which should have told us that he wouldn't be in. Not that he would have announced that he was included or anything.
As far as I understand, clubs and players are generally notified a few days/weeks in advance of squad announcement.

[drummerboy]

McGeady and Coleman are in squad but both are injured, wouldn't be surprised if McClean is called up prior to the game. No Keogh, Lawrence, McShane.

[ArdeeBhoy]

A truly idiotic decision, but as yer man says, hopefully injuries will facilitate his chance...

[Charlie Darwin]

Coleman hasn't played in over a month - surely he'll be hard pushed to make the squad. Perhaps Trap just wants to make it look like he had to call him up due to an injury...

[Sullivinho]

The reports about his clearance coming through this week lulled me into expecting McClean to be named so thats disappointing. Battling with Keogh and Lawrence on the standby list in all probability too.

[legendz]

I thought he'd have been included as well.

Trap has said though: "The Czech Republic are a strong team, and their system is similar to Croatia and Spain."This game is vital in helping us choose our 23-player squad for May."

It's understandable in some ways with Trap being Trap, he wants the team focussed on the job at hand. It is a tough group we're facing into.

[seanfhear]

Jack Charlton was far better at fishing than Trap is at poaching ! ! !

[Sullivinho]

Trapattoni: We have no time to change (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/trapattoni-we-have-no-time-to-change-539368.html)


"We have four or five other names because we have no time to change. One is McClean. I spoke with him and I said: 'Congratulations, James, I wish you to come with us'. We now have insurance that he can play with us, and this is important. He said: 'When you decide, call me up'. I told him 100% he will be with us for the future. Now, I'm looking to consolidate."

[tetsujin1979]

Trapattoni: We have no time to change (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/trapattoni-we-have-no-time-to-change-539368.html)

Very mature outlook there from James, good to see.