Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[geysir]

The question for us is not his managerial acumen. We have him as an assistant and it's a curious combination, him and O'Neill and Ireland.
He's only in the door a few months, we haven't yet have had a game in anger and he's looking for another job or at very least putting himself forward.
He's probably there or thereabouts, the highest paid intl assistant manager in the history of the game.
At the very least, this is fickle and demonstrates a serious lack of commitment to the job at hand, 'Oh I'll be your assistant manager until a better offer comes, or if a better offer comes I will pursue it publicly' , 'I'll do what I feel like doing'.
Well that's maybe the Roy Keane way and maybe some here think it's acceptable or tolerable behaviour, I don't.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Nicely summarised geysir, on fire there recently with a few posts...I like.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd be reasonably sure Tardelli was on more money than Keane is getting.

[geysir]

Tardelli was on ca Eur 614,500 p/a when Trap was on Eur 1.7m p/a , which (must have) made him the highest paid backroom boy in Intl football.
Those salaries were cut back a bit in 2012.

Regardless, Tardellii's no longer employed and his salary no longer can be used to compare against Roy's salary, a reputed Eur 700,000.

[Charlie Darwin]

There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.

[DeLorean]

Would it have been as major an issue if Tardelli had left us for club management, even in advance of the first qualifier? The assistant manager role is just be glorified because it's Keane and the 'traitor' aspect is definitely going to be heightened because it's Keane! The timing wouldn't be ideal I guess but they don't really get to choose when these opportunities come along.

[Razors left peg]

Keane came on board with a view to getting himself back into contention for a manager job at some stage in the future, it just happened that he may have got a very good offer much sooner than thought. The Celtic job would be very difficult for him to turn down if offered it and I wouldnt necessarily blame him if he took it.

Id much rather keep him in the Ireland set up but if he feels that he is just watching games without having much of an input into the team then he could be very tempted to be the boss again. Im not saying thats necessarily the case, but I think O'Neill did say last week that they tend to do their own thing and dont talk much?

This rubbish Ive read about some people saying that he would be walking out on his country again is absolute nonsense. He is a professional and like any good professional he is ambitious. Celtic do offer a good route back into management and if he did well there other doors would open in the future.

Im a Celtic fan and I would be happy enough to have him in charge. His management career to date has been mixed but most managers have had failures. Steve Bruce is a good example I think, he has done well at some clubs and a disaster at others but nobody wrote his career off like they have with Keane. Bruce has done very well again this season with Hull.

All in all I would much rather he stay in the Ireland set up for at least one campaign of qualifiers, he could possibly learn a lot from O'Neill in that time and be a better manager in the future for it, but if he take a job at a club as big as Celtic then I think it would be hard to blame him.... and its definitely not a case of him deserting his country or some sh1te like that!

[osarusan]

I wouldn't be too bothered if he does go and wouldn't see the fuss about it, but can't really imagine that Celtic would be looking for hims as manager.

[geysir]

It's not about us missing him.
If O'Neill wanted him, it was for reasons that O'Neill valued, so now there's a gap in the plan. It's up to O'Neill to fill that gap with somebody that can really assist him.
I'd have little doubt that Keane had good value as an assistant, even I might not value him half as much at the helm.

[Charlie Darwin]

If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.

[geysir]

There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.
After you wrote that, I checked out a few sources for the salary, afaics most/many/at least half, of the sources go for the figure of Eur2m for the pair, 1.3m + .7m
Bonuses were on top of that total Eur2m figure, for not failing to qualify for Eur 2016.

[tetsujin1979]

If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.so is Pat Dolan

[Charlie Darwin]

That would be ideal, he's already half the players' agent. Would really cut down on his phone bill.

[Crosby87]

Kevin Kilbane could fill Roys boots on the sideline.

[geysir]

Fill his boots with what? red ants?

[ArdeeBhoy]

If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.


so is Pat Dolan

So could Stan, so what...

[paul_oshea]

Keane obviously wants to go and is waiting on celtic. its very bad form and unprofessional on his part. If celtic don't go for him I'm wondering whether he should be kept on at all...don't want silly distractions coming up to major games about some.new position and Roy linked. I'm sure Martin doesn't want that either

[ArdeeBhoy]

Nah, keep him on. Virtually no club deserves him...

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

There is the possibility Roy could balance the two jobs. It's up to Martin and Roy. Celtic wouldn't have a problem with that and neither would the FAI.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think the general consensus is that O'Neill would have a problem with that. I think he might be getting a bit sick of the circus that surrounds Keane.

[SwanVsDalton]

There is the possibility Roy could balance the two jobs. It's up to Martin and Roy. Celtic wouldn't have a problem with that and neither would the FAI.

I think both would have a problem with that, not to mention O'Neill. His salary in both roles would be significant enough for both parties to say no way to double jobbing.

[geysir]

Nah, keep him on. Virtually no club deserves him...
For you it's probably the lesser of 2 evils for Keane to be involved in the irish backroom, rather that at the helm of Celtic.

But there is clearly some amount of displeasure from O'Neill about what has transpired. If Keane by some chance did not get the Celtic job, you would presume that there's an amount of defrosting to do.

[gastric]

I hope he gets the job to stop the 'will he, won't he?' conversation that will surround any job vacancies that arise. Better for us if O'Neill brings his own people on board who will work with him and not create ongoing conjecture. Also, Keane's personality and persona have a tendency to overshadow teams he coaches, personally I would rather read about the players than the management!

[Stuttgart88]

Departure confirmed here (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/plumtree-tells-ireland-squad-he-s-leaving-1.1817027)

It looks like he has told the squad already. I'm sick of these mercenaries treating the Irish team as some sort of sinecure until the first half-decent coaching job abroad comes along. Good riddance.

[Closed Account]

I'm sick of these mercenaries treating the Irish team as some sort of sinecure until the first half-decent coaching job abroad comes along.Is it a big problem?

[Stuttgart88]

It was a joke actually. Did you open the link?

[NeverFeltBetter]

I hope he gets the job to stop the 'will he, won't he?' conversation that will surround any job vacancies that arise. Better for us if O'Neill brings his own people on board who will work with him and not create ongoing conjecture. Also, Keane's personality and persona have a tendency to overshadow teams he coaches, personally I would rather read about the players than the management!

Pretty much. Keane's presence will always encourage a media circus and it will never stop. As much as I would roll my eyes at Keane walking out after only a few months, better the position go to someone far more low-key now, before qualifying starts in earnest.

[Stuttgart88]

I saw a comment on another forum (RTE or Irish Times, can't remember) that it could be a good role for Chris Hughton. Wes might not agree though!

[tetsujin1979]

according to the Indo, it's not going to happen: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/exclusive-roy-keane-to-stay-with-republic-of-ireland-30322137.html

[osarusan]

according to the Indo, it's not going to happen: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/exclusive-roy-keane-to-stay-with-republic-of-ireland-30322137.html
From tetsujin's link:



It is understood Celtic had made Keane a formal offer but in the end, the 42-year-old decided to see out his commitment with the national team.

[IsMiseSean]

Pretty much. Keane's presence will always encourage a media circus and it will never stop. As much as I would roll my eyes at Keane walking out after only a few months, better the position go to someone far more low-key now, before qualifying starts in earnest.

Does Keane need to be replaced. If Walford & Guppy are coming on board permanently then why would we need another person.

Breaking news on SSN as I type. Keane wants to stay with Ireland/Celtic prefer Steve Clarke

Edit: Just seen tets Indo link.

[geysir]

We're all on the one road, again.

[tetsujin1979]

Official confirmation from the FAI's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/statuses/473452750807003136

Roy Keane has confirmed that he will travel to the US after deciding not to pursue talks with @celticfc (https://twitter.com/celticfc) any further. #COYBIG (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYBIG?src=hash)

[ArdeeBhoy]

For you it's probably the lesser of 2 evils for Keane to be involved in the irish backroom, rather that at the helm of Celtic.

But there is clearly some amount of displeasure from O'Neill about what has transpired. If Keane by some chance did not get the Celtic job, you would presume that there's an amount of defrosting to do.

So. You got the antifreeze ready...
:rolleyes:

[Razors left peg]

Im delighted hes staying, he looks like he starting to have an influence over the midfielders anyway judging by this article http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hendrick-hoping-roy-keanes-advice-can-nail-starting-berth-30321236.html

Hopefully it might put an end to this "he walked out on his country" rubbish anyway.

[DeLorean]

Stupid comments regarding demotion to the u21's and being taken off at half time against Spain. Really misleading. I felt a sense of deja vu reading it, like some of those comments were just recycled from a previous article.

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, I'm glad he's staying too, although I hope the Irish press now start focusing on the team rather than its assistant manager. DeLorean had a very good point about Keane and the media circus that goes with him.

From a pure PR perspective, Keane going to Celtic would just further have underpinned the relative demise of the national team's status versus the big British clubs. It'd almost be a double whammy. The BIG can barely compete with Keane or Celtic for attention, let alone Celtic managed by Keane.

Now come on, pull together, work hard and get us to the Euros.

[DeLorean]

Yeah well I don't mind really. There are pros and cons, but the way it has worked out is fairly uplifting, a real sense of dedication after weighing up what is important. It actually feels more like a victory this way than if he had just ruled it out from the outset. Hype might not necessarily be a bad thing either, despite my reservations. We've been seriously lacking in that regard over the past few campaigns and even if it is directed towards Keane more than the team, at least it keeps them in the limelight indirectly. The headline on BBC reads "Keane turns down Celtic for Ireland". It's a tad inaccurate to be fair but nice to see all the same :)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, everyone's happy!
:)

For now.

[Olé Olé]

It seems to me that Celtic put out feelers for a few managers- Roy being one. The media in Ireland and the UK ran with it due to the publicity Keano attracts and maybe we were led to believe the approach was more concrete than it was. I mean, he hasn't exactly been flush with management offers since departing Ipswich. Plus, Celtic are likely to go with a more financially prudent and astute manager. Roy has gone through a few scattergun, stock-piling phases at Ipswich and Sunderland with very, very differing results in terms of the performances of the signings and their longevity at the clubs.

Anyway, delighted he's staying put. I hope this coaching ticket stays in place until the end of the qualification for Euro 2016- at which point if Roy got a decent offer then I'd wish him all the best.

[tricky_colour]

according to the Indo, it's not going to happen: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/exclusive-roy-keane-to-stay-with-republic-of-ireland-30322137.html

The key phrase:-


"I'm not taking a pay cut for anybody."

[paul_oshea]

I reckon celtic have gone for someone else and Roy was given the chance to come out as though he turned it down

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, I reckon that's true. But it is what is now. Onwards and upwards.

[Stuttgart88]

The key phrase:-
That was a tongue in cheek joke though.

[DeLorean]

Very possible Paul. It's probably possible also that MON told him to decide one way or the other before the US trip. He decided to keep the job he has instead of taking a chance on a job he might or might not get. The most important thing is that it's been sorted out fairly quickly and everybody can move on.

[geysir]

Possibly Keane was shafted at the altar but I doubt it, Desmond wanted him and that means Celtic wanted him. What Desmond wants, he usually gets.
Like most, I'm happy enough with Keane staying on in a deputy role.
I wonder what the touchline language will be about for the next 2 games.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Apparently RMK also linked with the Villa asst.manager job too...just heard a BBC sports bulletin.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-chase-roy-keane-3638096

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/roy-keane-mulls-move-to-aston-villa-as-offers-pour-in-for-corkman-30322137.html

Looks like he could 'do' both, personally not bothered either way...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-roy-keane-frame-7206442

[Charlie Darwin]

If he's going to be linked with jobs all summer he can go ahead and quit. Either come out now and say you're seeing out your contract or leave and make yourself available for clubs.

[BonnieShels]

If he's going to be linked with jobs all summer he can go ahead and quit. Either come out now and say you're seeing out your contract or leave and make yourself available for clubs.

Calm down. It's the Mirror. And the Indo. Check mate.

[DeLorean]

Yeah, The Mirror piece looks particularly dubious...

"MirrorSport understands O’Neill’s assistant is reluctant to walk out on his country again, following his infamous bust-up at the 2002 World Cup."