Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[DannyInvincible]

Anyway talking of orifices, here's an even bigger one...
Props to RMK!!
http://balls.ie/football/vine-roy-keane-blanks-mourinho/


https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9250563D841128326662992359424_29db30aa99e.2.1.8523 969207588971869.mp4?versionId=ZbOyuQbWW5hGQ4AEO2K6 y3vpT0RqTsoh

Roy on Mourinho's premature handshake offers: http://balls.ie/football/roy-keane-on-mourinhos-premature-handshake/


I don’t mind all that [Mourinho mind games] but the game is still going on. It’s disgraceful, I’ve seen him doing it to other managers, it is a disgrace. The game is still going on. You wouldn’t do that on a Sunday morning, you would get knocked out.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ha ha. Wish he would try it on someone on a Sunday morning then...

[bennocelt]

This hard man thing keane likes to perpetuate is boring. Hard man me hat. He is a footballer, not a heavyweight cage fighter

[DannyInvincible]

He just comes across as terribly bitter when he talks about feuds and harbouring vendettas. It's playground stuff.

[tetsujin1979]

This hard man thing keane likes to perpetuate is boring. Hard man me hat. He is a footballer, not a heavyweight cage fighter
he trained as a boxer in his youth, so he's not far off it

[SwanVsDalton]

He just comes across as terribly bitter when he talks about feuds and harbouring vendettas. It's playground stuff.

To my own surprise, I've been cutting Roy a lot of slack recently.

It's standard fare that if you have a book out, a book that bites back at perceived injustices (Fergie) et al, you're going to be asked questions about it. And Keane is hardly going to duck em. There's an incredibly bitter, dark side to his character (as there is to many people and sportsman) but it's a shame that, this week, that side has been the focus of 90% of the reporting.

[Stuttgart88]

it's a shame that, this week, that side has been the focus of 90% of the reporting.
Here's a bit of the more empathetic (or is it empathic?) side, courtesy of a tweet by Ciaran O Rahallaigh

http://simonaustinsport.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/i-dont-know-roy-keane_9.html?m=1

[DannyInvincible]

I'd read somewhere yesterday that he gave his 1999 Champions League winners' medal to a United coach because he thought it was unfair that this coach hadn't received a medal whilst, I assume, other members of staff had.

[bennocelt]

he trained as a boxer in his youth, so he's not far off it

Sure who hasnt in ireland:p

[liamoo11]

the most pleasing thing for me so ar about martin o neill is that he seems not to be absessed with loyalty like trap was. He seems happy to pick sides based on the requirements of the match. M akes me confident the side he picks for home games against scotland and poland will b sutely different than for away games like germany and georgia. trap never did that which made it tough to win home games

[Stuttgart88]

Yes, and although he got a bit of stick for retaining Walters, it should probably be seen in the light of having a rookie non-specialist right back on the night, Meyler.

And Delaney looked lumbering and off the pace yesterday.

[Charlie Darwin]

And Delaney looked lumbering and off the pace yesterday.
Well, nothing new there. You should see him on an airplane.

Oh, you mean Damien Delaney?

[Stuttgart88]

A couple of good articles in the Sindo on O'Neill and his style. Fanning's is the more substantial but the second contains a remark by McGeady saying O'Neill didn't even discuss his position or role in Tuesday with him, that was left to Walford.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/martin-oneills-fearful-reign-continues-to-gather-pace-30674922.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/managers-trust-provides-confidence-boost-for-mcgeady-30674918.html

[DeLorean]

Noel Gallagher loves Roy Keane (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/noel-gallagher-declares-his-love-for-roy-keane-and-wants-to-see-him-in-united-hot-seat-30680672.html)

But what's his beef with Celtic?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Is it a beef? It's the Indo' FFS, a rag of a paper in the main, with a pretty feeble quote from NG who's a confused man at best, re.his own identity.

[DeLorean]

Read like a beef to me... "I love Roy Keane. I actually liked him when he was at United but then he signed for Celtic..."

I remember Gallagher saying one time that he's half Irish, half English, as both his parents are Irish but he was born and raised in Manchester. Seemed clear enough.

The Indo is a rag though.... how did that happen? Was it always so bad? Seems bizarre that one of our main broadsheets could be so tabloid-ish and trashy.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well it's up to him. Know plenty of similar who wouldn't claim to be the least bit English.

But even that claim's much more credible than the Indo' to be anything more than a pretty useless paper.

[Stuttgart88]

Hasn't he always said he supports Ireland in football, while identifying himself with Union Jack imagery (guitars, promo pics...)?

Good job he's not actually a footballer.

[geysir]

Read like a beef to me... "I love Roy Keane. I actually liked him when he was at United but then he signed for Celtic..."

I remember Gallagher saying one time that he's half Irish, half English, as both his parents are Irish but he was born and raised in Manchester. Seemed clear enough.

The Indo is a rag though.... how did that happen? Was it always so bad? Seems bizarre that one of our main broadsheets could be so tabloid-ish and trashy.
He has a beef with Roy Keane and anything Man Utd related, but likes/supports Celtic, therefore it got confusing when Keane signed for Celtic.

[tetsujin1979]

Hasn't he always said he supports Ireland in football, while identifying himself with Union Jack imagery (guitars, promo pics...)?

Good job he's not actually a footballer.think he said refused an approach from the FA to do a World Cup/European Championships song for England but he'd do one for the FAI

[DeLorean]

He has a beef with Roy Keane and anything Man Utd related, but likes/supports Celtic, therefore it got confusing when Keane signed for Celtic.

But he said he liked Keane at Man Utd.

[shakermaker1982]

Noel likes Celtic, he has been to a few of the games. How his quote reads is slightly misleading....

I think what he meant is that he liked Roy (even when at United) so when he moved to Celtic he went up another level in terms of
appreciation.

If you listen to the Irishman abroad podcast (would recommend - Niall Quinn, Ronnie Whelan, Darren O'Dea all brilliant on it) then there is an advert/intro at the start with Noel stating 'I had an Irish upbringing'. Fairly sure both his parents are from Mayo. His mum definitely is.

[Junior]

http://i10.tinypic.com/62xgl90.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WonEbYXPa5k

[DeLorean]

I think what he meant is that he liked Roy (even when at United) so when he moved to Celtic he went up another level in terms of
appreciation.

Ah yes, I can read it that way now actually. Makes sense.


If you listen to the Irishman abroad podcast (would recommend - Niall Quinn, Ronnie Whelan, Darren O'Dea all brilliant on it) then there is an advert/intro at the start with Noel stating 'I had an Irish upbringing'. Fairly sure both his parents are from Mayo. His mum definitely is.

His dad's from Meath I think. Do you have a link for that podcast?

[shakermaker1982]

Ah yes, I can read it that way now actually. Makes sense.



His dad's from Meath I think. Do you have a link for that podcast?

I get it off iTunes but I know he also has his own website. Just type in Irishman abroad into google. The boxing ones are good as well. Enjoyed the Ken Doherty interview as well.

[paul_oshea]

Mother from outside Charlestown, father from Meath, around navan/trim I think.

[Charlie Darwin]

Mother from outside Charlestown, father from Meath, around navan/trim I think.
Neither a britpop stronghold.

[DannyInvincible]

Read like a beef to me... "I love Roy Keane. I actually liked him when he was at United but then he signed for Celtic..."

I think Gallagher's saying he liked Roy at United, in spite of him playing for a team he loathed, but then Roy signed for Celtic, so he liked him even more, or came to love him even.

[geysir]

I think we got there in the end, so Noel passes the gut test?

[Crosby87]

Roy Keane, the lost film reviews. I laughed.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/roy-keane-the-lost-film-reviews-1.1983842

[DeLorean]

That's brilliant.

[BonnieShels]

Mother from outside Charlestown, father from Meath, around navan/trim I think.

This is the one.

[Crosby87]

Marty: Gordie has it easy at Celtic....and me to thank.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/ireland-v-scotland-martin-oneill-4596987

[Stuttgart88]

So far the "mind games" and "war of words" the papers want are just comments from each party being quite nice about each other.

[DannyInvincible]

So far the "mind games" and "war of words" the papers want are just comments from each party being quite nice about each other.

Always ominous. There will be fireworks on the pitch.

[geysir]

O'Neill's comments about Strachan were at best, a backhanded compliment, at worst, an elbow to the ribs.
First blood to Martin.

[Crosby87]

Joe Brolly suggests Roy has some mental issues.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/joe-brolly-id-imagine-roy-keane-has-all-sorts-of-psychological-issues-that-have-never-been-dealt-with-30748572.html

[ArdeeBhoy]

Pot and kettle, springs to mind!

[tetsujin1979]

I was listening to that, I almost turned off my radio after Brolly said the only real sport is amateur.

[Charlie Darwin]

Uh-oh, tets. Looks like you're going to have to bring the banhammer down on our Roy for bringing up J*** G*******

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2mWsE-IUAAUZLZ.jpg

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Now then, now then. How's about that then?

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't know if we're allowed talk about the thing, but the Everton situation relates to what O'Neill hinted at last week and anything else is what you'd guess would be his opinion on certain matters.

[geysir]

We know Roy has issues, but as long as he's inside the tent, I'll support him 100%. He's our Christy Brown.
Only an idiot (and Joe brolly) would offer a psychoanalyis on Roy based on his actions on the sidelines during a red hot derby game.

[Kingdom]

Who is Roy's go to guy in the media now? The one Allie he had is well and truly off the scene.

[Closed Account]

Full set of quotes here:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/keane-toffees-too-stringent-with-mccarthy-298158.html

As usual, a balanced version of events from the examiner. All seems fairly reasoned apart from a dig at someone's dad. Hard to know if it was tongue in cheek or not without hearing it but broadcast media had left at that stage as far as I can tell.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think he came across quite balanced in the Telegraph report too.

I think the most interesting tidbit is the one that Robbie knew he wasn't going to play before the last training session. RTE made a big deal out of saying their little bit of footage of O'Neill taking him aside was the moment he was told he wouldn't be playing and all the sensation that comes with it. I'd take Keane's word over theirs.

[Stuttgart88]

Full set of quotes here:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/keane-toffees-too-stringent-with-mccarthy-298158.html

As usual, a balanced version of events from the examiner. All seems fairly reasoned apart from a dig at someone's dad. Hard to know if it was tongue in cheek or not without hearing it but broadcast media had left at that stage as far as I can tell.all the articles in the Examiner were quite interesting actually, including Brady's assessment of the match and O'Neill.

[Stuttgart88]

Regardless of whether the papers have blown it up I'm sick to death of these distractions. The timing of the book release was crazy, almost an insult to fans of the team who think the team is the most important thing and who expect a match, even against Gibraltar, to be the focus of media attention. I'd prefer his salary to be spent on coach education at this stage.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Except RMK will always be about (and always has been) sating his ego. This is how he operates, unfortunately.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-in-tense-stand-off-with-media-over-hotel-incident-1.2003133