Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[ArdeeBhoy]

It's not that bad if you just glance at it you get the general idea, most people just scan for key words, keane o'neil manage Ireland etc..

Anyhow if you thinks it's pigs ear, just you wait until you see what the dynamic duo will do to Ireland team :D
Pardon...

[ArdeeBhoy]

OK, so in the absence of any clues I'd say Forde, Coleman, Dunne, O'Shea are the most likely to keep their places.

What type of team will they prefer? Traditional 442, the currently popular 4231 or a very bold 352?

SSL and Clark have something to play for, so to speak.

Gibson should be a shoo-in when he returns.

Will they see Wilson as left back or defensive midfield?

Will Keane retain the captaincy and even his starting place?

Will McCarthy benefit from Keane's presence?

Will the door open more for Meyler? At Whelan's expense?

Room for Hendrick?

Will this appointment inspire or scare off Stephen Ireland?!

Which of the following attacking players will they find room for - and how? McClean, McGeady, Brady, Ireland, Walters, Reid, Hoolahan, Long, Doyle, Stokes, Keane…

So many variables...

That's a lot of ifs. And Wills.

Given there's 10 months until the next meaningful game, I'd say it's largely irrelevant at this stage...

They could even have been and gone by then.

[tricky_colour]

Good time for Steven Ireland to come back, he wont be the main story :)

Shame Keane never had any Grandma's back in the day really, Stephen Ireland was always a bit more creative in his excuses
and the team could do with more creativity.

[Razors left peg]

Should be a clean slate for everyone.Keano will fallout with enough players without carrying over other peoples fights!!! A lot of crap has gone on with Irish football in the last 13 years(if you believe Delaneys maths). No point in dwelling on it.... If Steven Ireland scores a late winner in the final game to qualify us for the Euros there wont be anyone refusing to celebrate.

[centre mid]

If Steven Ireland scores a late winner in the final game to qualify us for the Euros there wont be anyone refusing to celebrate.

Possibly apart from Stephen Ireland.

[Stuttgart88]

Here's Gift Grub's take on it

http://www.todayfm.com/player/podcasts/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/The_Ian_Dempsey_Breakfast_Show/6329/0/gift_fai_tapes

And in a more serious interview Giles reckons O'Neill will take stock of the players and figure out how best to use them rather than going in with a predetermined idea of shape etc.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And WWN's
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2013/11/05/fai-set-aside-e500000-for-anger-management/

[tetsujin1979]

full interview between Delaney and Pat Kenny on newstalk.ie: http://www.newstalk.ie/FAI-confirms-ONeill--Keane-appointment

[DeLorean]

I know it's pretty much common knowledge but both Keane and O'Neill are providing the analysis on ITV tonight for Sociedad v Man Utd. Might be worth tuning in for the first five minutes. Coverage begins at 19:30.

Thankfully that immature twit Ian Wright won't be alongside them this time.

[BonnieShels]

Can the thread title be changed for the love of all that is holy?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Too late, Bonnie.

Tricky has, erm, spoken!

[donalmcdonagh]

If it happens I think its a disaster waiting to happen. The FAI will be happy as its a big ticket appointment and box office enough to fill the Aviva for a few months. It makes no sense to appoint O'Neill first and foremost, I think the likes of Wes & Andy Reid have played their last games for Ireland (Walters too but for other reasons).

The only team that has played decent football under Martin O'Neill was a hugely talented Celtic side that, while he motivated them to an inch of their lives, I probably could have won a few SPL titles with.

Other than Leicester, O'Neill & Keane have tried to buy success and neither have been hands on really. It does seem odd that Keane is prepared to play the subordinate role here although it may serve him well in the long run. He needs to spend time on the training ground.

It has all the signs of a big time razzmatazz appointment and all for the wrong reasons, filling the aviva is what the FAI & IRFU need but not what Ireland need.

I can see us being back here in 18 months time with Ray Houghton & someone else frantically scouring the CV's of available managers again.

I hope I'm massively wrong.


I think this is the type of media mentality that is going around and being touted by the likes of Dunphy. The appointment is not a trick on the part of Delaney...... people should look at Keane and Delaney and see how mature they are to put the past behind them and be professional, very admirable I think. Delaney may have fooked up with Stan but we cannot complain with Traps appointment and then MON. I say fair play to him. He is not my favourite person but I think he is doing a good job.
As for players like Reid and Houlahan, think about it...do they actually deserve to be in our first 11?? Really?? Maybe in a certain system but they are not nailed on starters and you would be mad to think they are. The notion that they are our savours stems from one person....Eamon Dunphy!! They should be in our squad but they have got a lot to prove.
People are second guessing the dynamics of the MON/Keane role based on the media, so lets stop assuming and let them get on with it. I bet what goes on in the squad/camp is very different from what the media portrays.

We have an good but slightly average team that need our full support and a Manager to get the best out of them, that man is MON. Congrats to MON, fair play Keane for taking as step back to go forward and fair play Delaney. COYBIG

[tricky_colour]

Can the thread title be changed for the love of all that is holy.

It's a bit late for that, the contracts are as good as signed.

You could try writing a letter to the FAI but I doubt they will reply.

[passinginterest]

The Score.ie took a look at players who have encountered O'Neill and Keane; http://thescore.thejournal.ie/13-irish-players-roy-keane-martin-oneill-1160380-Nov2013/

A few of them will be very worried. I wonder will Keane still be be keen to sleep outside Stephen Ireland's front door?

[tricky_colour]

Too late, Bonnie.

Tricky has, erm, spoken!


Too late now, the mistakes that have been made cannot be undone, can't edit the title either.

[centre mid]

I think this is the type of media mentality that is going around and being touted by the likes of Dunphy. The appointment is not a trick on the part of Delaney...... people should look at Keane and Delaney and see how mature they are to put the past behind them and be professional, very admirable I think. Delaney may have fooked up with Stan but we cannot complain with Traps appointment and then MON. I say fair play to him. He is not my favourite person but I think he is doing a good job.
As for players like Reid and Houlahan, think about it...do they actually deserve to be in our first 11?? Really?? Maybe in a certain system but they are not nailed on starters and you would be mad to think they are. The notion that they are our savours stems from one person....Eamon Dunphy!! They should be in our squad but they have got a lot to prove.
People are second guessing the dynamics of the MON/Keane role based on the media, so lets stop assuming and let them get on with it. I bet what goes on in the squad/camp is very different from what the media portrays.

We have an good but slightly average team that need our full support and a Manager to get the best out of them, that man is MON. Congrats to MON, fair play Keane for taking as step back to go forward and fair play Delaney. COYBIG

Where do I start,

I would have thought Dunphy is wetting his pants at the thoughts of the dream team, jn fact I'm pretty sure he was calling for MON while having a pop at Noel King.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Too late now, the mistakes that have been made cannot be undone, can't edit the title either.

Fair enough. Next time leave to the board professionals, mind...
:)

[Charlie Darwin]

Shhh, everybody be quiet, the gaffers are on the telly.

[Charlie Darwin]

Done Deal.

Signed and sealed. Football Association of Ireland (Official) (https://www.facebook.com/FAIOfficial?ref=stream&directed_target_id=0) can confirm that both contracts have been signed, and Martin O'Neill & Roy Keane will be Ireland's new Manager & Assistant Manager

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yeap on the radio earlier...
Slow with the news today.

[back of the net]

Just saw roy and martin asked bout the ireland job on itv . Both said they were delighted and looking forward to it. Nothing more than that apart from Adrian Chiles yet again showing that humour isnt his strong point.

[DannyInvincible]

I'm out tonight. Can someone stick on youtube, or whateverm, anything the duo say about the appointment on ITV tonight?

The generous minute and ten seconds set aside by ITV to discuss the new venture:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsx4aT1VZ0

Martin is the bad cop and Roy is the bad, bad cop.

[DannyInvincible]

A string of memorable Roy quotes from down through the years: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9009717/look-whos-back

[back of the net]

A string of memorable Roy quotes from down through the years: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9009717/look-whos-back



Was listening to a kevin kilbane interview last week and he said that he was sitting next to roy during his saipan outburst at mick.
Anyway kilbane said that roy never called mick a "English ********" and that quote was complete fabrication.

[DannyInvincible]

Aye, I noticed two variations of the same "quote", so both can't be right. Indeed, both could be wrong in that case.


"Mick, you're a liar... you're a ******* ******. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a ******* ****** and you can stick your World Cup up your ****. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your ********." It's fair to say the slanging match which ensued with Mick McCarthy put paid to any chance of a reconciliation.

"Who do you think you are having meetings about me? You were a crap player and you are a crap manager. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country and you're not even Irish you English ****!" Even flies were afraid to be in that particular room.

[Paddy Garcia]

Was listening to a kevin kilbane interview last week and he said that he was sitting next to roy during his saipan outburst at mick.
Anyway kilbane said that roy never called mick a "English ********" and that quote was complete fabrication.

Killer on Radio 5 shortly to discuss the appointments.

[Fixer82]

The generous minute and ten seconds set aside by ITV to discuss the new venture:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsx4aT1VZ0

Martin is the bad cop and Roy is the bad, bad cop.

Bit disappointing seeing them both wear the poppy but that's for another thread/forum.

I think it has potential to be a good appointment. Roy respects O'Neill and I can't see any training gear or sports drinks not being at the training ground on time. Especially when Adrian Chiles is driving the bus...

[Stuttgart88]

I'm a proud Irishman. I live and work in England. England has given me a good lifestyle. My wife is English and my kids are half-English.

And I wear a poppy. I see no reason whatsoever why Roy and Martin shouldn't wear one either.

[tricky_colour]

I'm a proud Irishman. I live and work in England. England has given me a good lifestyle. My wife is English and my kids are half-English.

And I wear a poppy. I see no reason whatsoever why Roy and Martin shouldn't wear one either.

No I'd fully expect them to wear them, after all they are presenting for a UK TV channel, indeed I had they refused to wear one
they may as well kiss their jobs goodbye, which indeed they have lol?
Not sure if they will continue with that I'd expect they would easilly fit it round the Ireland job.

[Fixer82]

I'm a proud Irishman. I live and work in England. England has given me a good lifestyle. My wife is English and my kids are half-English.

And I wear a poppy. I see no reason whatsoever why Roy and Martin shouldn't wear one either.

Well I remember it being worn to 'support our boys in Northern Ireland'.

Now it's more so to 'support our troops in Afghanistan' etc.

I don't agree with those wars.
Were it still to represent what it was originally intended for, WW1, I would have no problem. But for me I see it now as a propaganda symbol.

It was once worn on the 11th November, now it's like Christmas. It appears before Hallowe'en and seems to go on forever.

[tricky_colour]

Yes I remember the poppy wars when the poppies were getting bigger and more elaborate, in a kind of beat you neighbor
kind of thing, now is seems to have gone into reverse where the competition is to wear the smallest poppy imaginable.

I think Rod Stewart was doing something last year, I think he is a big supporter of the forces, royal British legion.


He was on the graham norton show with no obvious red poppy when everyone else had one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Y01_jEkkA

Personally I don't wear one, least not because any values they might have though they were fighting for
have long been consigned to the dustbin so they basically fought to produce the grossly unfair corrupt and unequal
society we now live in.
They would have been better off turning their guns on their own officers, the likes of thicko playboy Prince Harry
who spent his time playing strip pool with hookers in the USA whilst them men he 'lead' were dodging the roadside
bombs in Afghanistan.

[Fixer82]

At its core, the poppy is meant to be a symbol of peace.
It has, however, become quite the opposite

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yes I remember the poppy wars when the poppies were getting bigger and more elaborate, in a kind of beat you neighbor
kind of thing, now is seems to have gone into reverse where the competition is to wear the smallest poppy imaginable.

I think Rod Stewart was doing something last year, I think he is a big supporter of the forces, royal British legion.


He was on the graham norton show with no obvious red poppy when everyone else had one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Y01_jEkkA

Personally I don't wear one, least not because any values they might have though they were fighting for
have long been consigned to the dustbin so they basically fought to produce the grossly unfair corrupt and unequal
society we now live in.
They would have been better off turning their guns on their own officers, the likes of thicko playboy Prince Harry
who spent his time playing strip pool with hookers in the USA whilst them men he 'lead' were dodging the roadside
bombs in Afghanistan.

Hmm, Rod being a bit of a Tim was probably avoiding for his own political reasons. Don't know about any Forces connection, but like any individual it's down to personal choice at the end of the day.

That said, as with the likes of MO'N & RMK, even every single non-entity is supposed to wear one on Brit.TV from mid-October onwards where it's the most over-exposed propaganda tool ever.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm a proud Irishman. I live and work in England. England has given me a good lifestyle. My wife is English and my kids are half-English.

And I wear a poppy. I see no reason whatsoever why Roy and Martin shouldn't wear one either.
That's completely understandable and I respect your viewpoint but personally I wouldn't wear one out of respect for my countrymen.

[tricky_colour]

Hmm, Rod being a bit of a Tim was probably avoiding for his own political reasons. Don't know about any Forces connection, but like any individual it's down to personal choice at the end of the day.

That said, as with the likes of MO'N & RMK, even every single non-entity is supposed to wear one on Brit.TV from mid-October onwards where it's the most over-exposed propaganda tool ever.

Oh I might be wrong on that, I though he supported the royal british legion for some reason but it may just be that he sang at their do last year, might of got confuse, happens occasionally lol hic!!!

[ArdeeBhoy]

He probably got co-opted like most celebs do. And he might just remember post-war rationing...

[ArdeeBhoy]

The country responds to the RMK appointment.
http://balls.ie/football/10-ways-irish-people-react-roy-keane/

[DannyInvincible]

Bit disappointing seeing them both wear the poppy but that's for another thread/forum.

Whether they were pressured into wearing poppies or donned them voluntarily, it's not as if they'd get away with opting against wearing them live on ITV at this time of year. That would generate more outrage and hassle in the media than it's probably worth for them right now.


Well I remember it being worn to 'support our boys in Northern Ireland'.

Now it's more so to 'support our troops in Afghanistan' etc.

I don't agree with those wars.
Were it still to represent what it was originally intended for, WW1, I would have no problem. But for me I see it now as a propaganda symbol.

It was once worn on the 11th November, now it's like Christmas. It appears before Hallowe'en and seems to go on forever.

Were the motives behind the World Wars really as "glorious" as they make out though?


At its core, the poppy is meant to be a symbol of peace.

Not quite: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-do-those-who-flaunt-the-poppy-on-their-lapels-know-that-they-mock-the-war-dead-6257416.html


The original idea came, of course, from the Toronto military surgeon and poet John McCrae and was inspired by the death of his friend Lieutenant Alexis Helmer, killed on 3 May 1915. "In Flanders fields the poppies blow/Between the crosses, row on row." But it's a propaganda poem, urging readers to "take up the quarrel with the foe". Bill Fisk eventually understood this and turned against it. He was right.

[DannyInvincible]

Which one are you?: http://balls.ie/football/10-ways-irish-people-react-roy-keane/


1. The Ultimate Roy Keane Devotee

The Roy Keane Devotee is usually a Cork born Manchester United supporter who is part of a dwindling minority of people left on the island whom John Delaney hasn’t bought a pint for.

2. The “He left the country down” chap

This man will never forget “what Keane done” in 2002. No compromise, this man is not for turning. Currently contemplating not ever going to see Ireland play ever again for the second again. He opted out of the Brian Kerr reign.

3. The lad who gets into a fight with Keane in a chipper

This man hasn’t been around since the early to mid 90s. He was a prominent figure in Keane’s autobiography where he was usually portrayed as an unreasonable and menacing personal space invader, who liked roaring the term “****ing Langer” at the top of his voice and then telling everyone he was running to the papers after it had all kicked off.

4. The lad who changed his mind about Saipan

Was a Manchester United supporting kid/teenager when the Saipan business went down. Publicly, he rose to the defence of his club’s captain, claiming he was heroically battling against “Irish mediocrity and low expectations, you wouldn’t get this crap under Alex Ferguson and what have Mick McCarthy and the rest of them won anyway.” Privately, however, he had his doubts that Keane had to go off and sulk quite so spectacularly and miss the entire tournament. When Keane left Manchester United in 2005, he was able to take a less tribal and more reflective outlook on the whole bust-up, beginning to articulate a less pro-Roy and more nuanced take on the debacle. Roy’s sour press conference after the Henry handball was the final straw. Last month, he more than likely expressed an openness to the idea of Mick McCarthy taking over the Irish job.

5. The FAI Blazer

Your main role in life is to be the object of both Roy Keane’s and the wider general public’s utter contempt. You may not think much of the ‘truculent little Mayfield ********.’ But you must be emollient in all your public pronouncements because, as an FAI employee, you are not fighting from a position of strength in the battle for public opinion.

6. The lad who sits on the fence

Was unwilling to attack either McCarthy and Keane during 2002. Preferred to blame the FAI in general for the whole Saipan thing. When asked about Keane, he will look wistful and talk in vague terms about “the nature of the man”, juxtaposing his performances on the pitch and his professionalism off the pitch, noting that “you can’t have one without the other.”

7. The Dublin lad who played against Keane at underage level

A cocky ****er who took delight in beating Cork teams in typical cocky Dublin style. Generally the object of outrageously unfair favouritism on the part of the lads who select Irish underage teams. Those FAI bods who chose the team were based in Dublin and continually picked Dublin lads over, say, lads from Cork.

8. The effete intellectual psychologist

This guy’s first starting point is to talk about Keane’s personality defects, his temperament, his inability to deal with people and his suspected issues with alcohol. Generally takes a damning view of the Cork hero. Not interested in football as such and sometimes doesn’t even bother to offer the pat assertion that “of course he was a great player but…” He is usually an effete middle class individual with a high powered job.

9. The professional

Admires Keane immensely, taking his side on Saipan in a big way. Tries to portray a driven, hard-headed image. Constantly scoffs at Irish low expectations, adopts a hyper severe attitude to “useless moral victories” and affects to be happy with nothing less than a World Cup win or an All-Ireland victory. Has taken to drinking protein shakes, discussing the quality of facilities and calling out authority at every available opportunity. Usually an athlete of some sort.

10. The guide dogs volunteer

You generally coo over Roy Keane and talk about all the classy things he has done such as going into hospitals to visit sick children and not expecting any publicity for it. And of course, the amount of money and publicity he gives to the guide dogs.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Erm, beat you to it, Danny.

Though you made rather more effort...

[bennocelt]

Well I remember it being worn to 'support our boys in Northern Ireland'.

Now it's more so to 'support our troops in Afghanistan' etc.

I don't agree with those wars.
Were it still to represent what it was originally intended for, WW1, I would have no problem. But for me I see it now as a propaganda symbol.

It was once worn on the 11th November, now it's like Christmas. It appears before Hallowe'en and seems to go on forever.

Exactly, kind of makes a mockery of the whole original point. Christ could they not man up and refuse to play the game - bet they wont be wearing them anytime soon in Dublin!

Colm Meaney didnt have one on the One Show, but then he is a real rebel!

[Stuttgart88]

Bennocelt, can you please quit sending reputation comments to my private message inbox?

[DeLorean]

At its core, the poppy is meant to be a symbol of peace.
It has, however, become quite the opposite

Makes sense that Roy would wear it so :)

[OwlsFan]

That's completely understandable and I respect your viewpoint but personally I wouldn't wear one out of respect for my countrymen.

I'd wear one out of respect for the thousands of National Volunteers who died fighting in WW1 on the promise of Home Rule and those Irishmen who died in WW2 fighting fascism.

And speaking of war, Keane and O'Neill are appointed so good luck to them. I personally dislike Keane but he is now assistant manager so for the sake of the team, I hope it goes well. I still think it reminds me of Stalin's non-aggression pact with Hitler. Who knows, it might work for a short time but then again.....

Football will now overtake rugby for a while as the main sports item during the winter so that can't be a bad thing. Certainly the event junkies will be back for the Latvia game.

I know that Keane will be eyeing the main job but that's down the road.

Delaney is much despised in some quarters but he has swallowed a lot of pride in the Keane appointment and to continue to keep Denis O'Brien involved is good work.

Ad astra per aspera.

[paul_oshea]

I'm a proud Irishman. I live and work in England. England has given me a good lifestyle. My wife is English and my kids are half-English.

And I wear a poppy. I see no reason whatsoever why Roy and Martin shouldn't wear one either.

I think you might have said this last year, and I think my response was the same. Why do you wear one? Just to fit in? Or you identify somehow? What exactly are you supporting?

I've noticed through experience that those who work in the City, feel the need to wear it for some very obscure reason. I don't get it at all.

And I can always, always tell the kind of people, the demographic of Irish who wear them.

People always claim the poppy symbol is peace, I don't buy that one bit really, at least in the UK. ANd what I find awfully stupid is the argument "fighting and dying for you", maybe slightly for those back in WWII but that has very little relevance now.

[paul_oshea]

Does anyone remember the time when Wood got really angry and embarassed on BBC1 when he took it off and then he reappeared with it on?

Whats the point in forcing someone to wear it? Surely thats not very peaceful, the key is in the word :D

[paul_oshea]

I'd wear one out of respect for the thousands of National Volunteers who died fighting in WW1 on the promise of Home Rule and those Irishmen who died in WW2 fighting fascism.

And speaking of war, Keane and O'Neill are appointed so good luck to them. I personally dislike Keane but he is now assistant manager so for the sake of the team, I hope it goes well. I still think it reminds me of Stalin's non-aggression pact with Hitler. Who knows, it might work for a short time but then again.....

Football will now overtake rugby for a while as the main sports item during the winter so that can't be a bad thing. Certainly the event junkies will be back for the Latvia game.

I know that Keane will be eyeing the main job but that's down the road.

Delaney is much despised in some quarters but he has swallowed a lot of pride in the Keane appointment and to continue to keep Denis O'Brien involved is good work.

Ad astra per aspera.

Unfortunately its very difficult to convey a subtext when wearing a poppy, you could donate, and just not wear one for that reason, however where would it really be going?

[paul_oshea]

That's completely understandable and I respect your viewpoint but personally I wouldn't wear one out of respect for my countrymen.

Its not completely understandable it means nothing. It's like saying, you support the black panther movement because you live in Southern State america and your wife is black.

What if all the Irish that moved to Germany during WWII and started wearing or supporting some such symbol through donations cos Germany was good to them and their wife was German?

Stutts, I'm not having a go, I just don't see how he thinks its completely understandable.

England has been good to me, from money and job it couldn't be better thus far and I am very considered in my thinking because of this, I've even worked with some former generals in the army who served in NI, heck all the way up the chain was General Sir Mike Jackson, but at no time did I ever wear one or feel the need to wear one, for any tenuous links or to fit in with company(double entendre not intended).

When I say demographic above I don't mean the Northen Irish either....

[Charlie Darwin]

Its not completely understandable it means nothing. It's like saying, you support the black panther movement because you live in Southern State america and your wife is black.
No it's not. It's a symbol and symbols mean different things to different people.

[bennocelt]

I think you might have said this last year, and I think my response was the same. Why do you wear one? Just to fit in? Or you identify somehow? What exactly are you supporting?

I've noticed through experience that those who work in the City, feel the need to wear it for some very obscure reason. I don't get it at all.

And I can always, always tell the kind of people, the demographic of Irish who wear them.

People always claim the poppy symbol is peace, I don't buy that one bit really, at least in the UK. ANd what I find awfully stupid is the argument "fighting and dying for you", maybe slightly for those back in WWII but that has very little relevance now.


I lived in london for yonks, and the funny thing is many English people dont wear them at all - even been to football games on the day of remembrance weekend and sweet fa wearing poppies - what are the media trying to portray
Also told to f off back to ireland when i refused to buy one (due to the wars in iraq, etc), and then you hear comments without the British we would be speaking German! (That would be fine by me,ha).
Wear the Poppy, thats fine, but fecking three weeks before, thats a bit much