Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[ArdeeBhoy]

Some us are if they get the joke.
Mexican 'Irish' ?

[bennocelt]

Mexican 'Irish' ?

Yeah loads of them in Longford

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdG7jxR0s9Pzb92oTkOLx2_Z2Ektpel DKdFQlj_XMfoSgkA1zEMA

[paul_oshea]

haha class. Michael Gomez, no one will get that until they do "the google".

[Stuttgart88]

I hope MON drew more from the Algeria v Germany game than Algeria weren't up to much in terms of talent but they had great spirit.

[nigel-harps1954]

O'Neill to take in Dundalk v Hadjuk Split in the Europa League this week. Quoted in Indo today saying he wants to cast his eye over Dundalks 'young guns', presumably Towell and Boyle.

[Charlie Darwin]

O'Neill to take in Dundalk v Hadjuk Split in the Europa League this week. Quoted in Indo today saying he wants to cast his eye over Dundalks 'young guns', presumably Towell and Boyle.
Also said something to the effect that even if they play well that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether they can play international level.

[nigel-harps1954]

Also said something to the effect that even if they play well that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether they can play international level.

Thanks for that....way to sh!t all over my post. You ass.

[paul_oshea]

I hope MON drew more from the Algeria v Germany game than Algeria weren't up to much in terms of talent but they had great spirit.

I know there is more to what you are getting at here. I hope we are wrong in how we analysed the analyser, but there were some worrying/strange snippets from him at this world cup.

[Grafter]

What did you make of Martin on ITV the last few weeks?
The Beeb/ITV panel banter is frequently cringe inducing isn't it?
It can be very stilted at times.... to be fair, Martin was perfectly fine at it and
it seemed like a nice gig... all the same there are times when it all seems beneath a credible international manager to have to engage in occasional panel banalities....

Just when on topic of the World Cup and Panels.... there were times when an ITV/BBC panel were talking and the camera would zoom in on a pretty girl in the crowd etc etc... and linger for a number of moments as if almost tempting a panellist to make a dodgy comment.... and suffer the consequences of our politically correct society;)

[Fixer82]

Yeah loads of them in Longford

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdG7jxR0s9Pzb92oTkOLx2_Z2Ektpel DKdFQlj_XMfoSgkA1zEMA

Good documentary last week on RTÉ Radio 1 about him by Bernard Dunne, worth checking out for any boxing fans out there

[BonnieShels]

Mexican 'Irish' ?

South of thon "border"?

[tricky_colour]

Good to see the FAI have confidence in us beating Germany! Don't think MONROY would be too happy. COYBIG.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup/fai-forced-to-delete-selfdepreciating-message-to-world-cup-winners-germany-30428983.html

I think they should have left the tweet, lull the Germans into complacency.

In fact we should apologise in advance for what we know will be a poor performance as we are "in a period of transition".

"We would like to apologise in advance to the German people for what we know will be an embarrassingly poor performance
from the Irish team, we are in a period of transition and hope to be able to give your lads a decent game in about 30 years time. All the best. #FAIreland."

[bennocelt]

Good documentary last week on RTÉ Radio 1 about him by Bernard Dunne, worth checking out for any boxing fans out there

Yeah I heard it, was good, though you would have to wonder how good he was if he couldn't be khan

[jinxy lilywhite]

O'Neill to take in Dundalk v Hadjuk Split in the Europa League this week. Quoted in Indo today saying he wants to cast his eye over Dundalks 'young guns', presumably Towell and Boyle.

Hope he has his ticket. Game is close to a sell out.

Arguably Messrs Towell, Boyle, Gannon, Hoban, Horgan & Shields are well able to play at a higher level. While Towel is the most promising and receives the most accolades, the other 5 are equally as good as towel in their respective positions.
I would worry more about losing Boyle or Shields in the transfer window and the damage or would do to our title aspirations as opposed to losing Towel

[Stuttgart88]

O'Neill was at Bray v Rovers last night, along with 1,700 others.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Why..

[Stuttgart88]

I know. Imagine the international team manager actually taking an interest in our national league. Disgrace! Bring back Trap.

[punkrocket]

To be fair, it wasn't actually a question.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Exactly. With the best will in the world he's not going to directly select any LOI players...

[NeverFeltBetter]

Some might train with the national side though.

[Stuttgart88]

It's not daft to think that part of the Irish national team manager's job is to be up to speed on Irish football. For a whole host of reasons.

If he can help to promote the Irish game then that too is a benefit. It sends a message to the public that maybe there's something worth watching and if that message gets through, as well as the message being sent by creditable European performances, then that can only be a good thing.

Going to Bray versus Rovers in itself is not going to help us qualify but it's hard to argue that it's not the right thing to do.

[Crosby87]

Stutts get "Eight World Cups" by George Vescey. You will like it I think, if you dont mind me saying.

[Charlie Darwin]

It's not daft to think that part of the Irish national team manager's job is to be up to speed on Irish football. For a whole host of reasons.

If he can help to promote the Irish game then that too is a benefit. It sends a message to the public that maybe there's something worth watching and if that message gets through, as well as the message being sent by creditable European performances, then that can only be a good thing.

Going to Bray versus Rovers in itself is not going to help us qualify but it's hard to argue that it's not the right thing to do.
There's also the line of thinking that Martin O'Neill is a football man who likes going to football matches. A bit of an alien concept to the Irish psyche alright, but he has been living in England for most of his life.

[gastric]

Would love to see LOI players continue to train with the senior squad and even the U21s as it promotes the League and the players themselves.

[Charlie Darwin]

Not much point having players training as trophies either. I'd just hope he sees guys like Towell and realises it's not a lack of talent that has them playing in Ireland.

[Stuttgart88]

There's also the line of thinking that Martin O'Neill is a football man who likes going to football matches. A bit of an alien concept to the Irish psyche alright, but he has been living in England for most of his life.
He was at the Dubs at the weekend too.

I'm told it was to see what a full ground looks like in Ireland.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Not much point having players training as trophies either. I'd just hope he sees guys like Towell and realises it's not a lack of talent that has them playing in Ireland.
So what is it then?


He was at the Dubs at the weekend too.

I'm told it was to see what a full ground looks like in Ireland.

Can't believe he'd be that naive. Been plenty of full houses over the years and not just in Croke...

[BonnieShels]

He was at the Dubs at the weekend too.

I'm told it was to see what a full ground looks like in Ireland.

I was one of the 62000 there... 20k from a full house!

[jinxy lilywhite]

There is still a large part of Brooks Park that is still undeveloped

[paul_oshea]

"We get a limited view on TV, you don't get the full picture "

and that my friends I've been saying on here for years and hence brought to my conclusion long before most on here that ward was/is truly awful.

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/martin-oneill-and-roy-keane-wont-go-down-trapattoni-route-30451501.html

[BonnieShels]

If only you told Trap.

None of us could see his obvious frailties until you pointed them out; as glaringly obvious as they are.

[paul_oshea]

Well yer right thete bonnie.

It kept falling on deaf ears and silly posts trying to ridicule me rather than the point I was making cos I didn't drop it......oh wait ridicule :D

[OwlsFan]

The interview on the Last Word was interesting. O'Neill spent much of it slagging Keane. The latter was occasionally amusing but the audience found everything he said absolutely hysterical, even if he wasn't trying to be funny. He was his usual curmudgeonly self on many issues. Glad to hear him say though that Ireland never feared anyone although he talked up Germany big time - sorry ONEWHOKNOCKS. O'Neill ended it by saying Keane wasn't a friend. They haven't seen each other socially. They have a job to do and that is be successful with Ireland.

[DannyInvincible]

"We get a limited view on TV, you don't get the full picture "

and that my friends I've been saying on here for years and hence brought to my conclusion long before most on here that ward was/is truly awful.

I'm not necessarily saying you're in the wrong here, but I've started reading Soccernomics by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski and its opening anecdote about Roberto Mancini reminded me very much of you generally, Paul. In a purely affectionate way, of course. :)


A few years ago, the data department at Manchester City carried out a study of corner kicks. City hadn't been scoring much from corners, and the analysts wanted to find out the best way to take them. They watched more than four hundred corners, from different leagues, over several seasons, and concluded: the most dangerous corner was the inswinger to the near post.

The beauty of the inswinger was that it sent the ball straight into the danger zone. Sometimes an attacker would get a head or foot to it and divert it in from point-blank range. Sometimes the keeper or a defender stopped the inswinger on the line, whereupon someone bashed it in. And occasionally the ball jut swung straight in from the corner. All in all, the analysts found, inswingers produced more goals than outswingers.

They took their findings to the club's then manager, Roberto Mancini, who like almost all managers is an ex-player. He heard them out politely. Then he said, more or less: "I was a player for many years, and I just know that the outswinger is more effective." He was wrong, but we can understand why he made the mistake: outswingers tend to create beautiful goals (ball swings out, player meets it with powerful header, ball crashes into net) and beautiful goals stick in the memory. The messy goals generally produced by inswingers don't.

[Stuttgart88]

Sorry, I'm just not having this "I'm a visionary for pointing out that TV isn't as good as attending a real match live" nonsense.

I honestly can't think of anyone who would argue that telly is better, other than Trap. Most of us don't have the luxury of having the time and money to scout Irish players live though. Martin O'Neill gets paid for it. Trap took the p1ss big time.

[DannyInvincible]

Sorry, I'm just not having this "I'm a visionary for pointing out that TV isn't as good as attending a real match live" nonsense.

I honestly can't think of anyone who would argue that telly is better, other than Trap.

I'm not even sure Trap could credibly have argued that. It's obvious he resorted to watching DVDs as a substitute for attending live games out of convenience.

[BonnieShels]

I'm not necessarily saying you're in the wrong here, but I've started reading Soccernomics by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski and its opening anecdote about Roberto Mancini reminded me very much of you generally, Paul. In a purely affectionate way, of course. :)

Even the most cursory of plays of Football Manager bears this out.

[BonnieShels]

Well yer right thete bonnie.

It kept falling on deaf ears and silly posts trying to ridicule me rather than the point I was making cos I didn't drop it......oh wait ridicule :D

I'm always right I find.

Re-iterate, again, for me, what the point was, maybe utilising the Euro 2012 experience as an example...

[Charlie Darwin]

So what is it then?
They're using it as a stepping stone or else it just hasn't worked out for them elsewhere with injuries or whatever. Obviously LOI isn't a great level for aspiring international players to be at but it's no worse than plugging away in the SPL or League One.

[Fixer82]

I found it interesting to hear Keane laughing at O'Neill's stories. And of course, O'Neill taking the pi$$ out of him was great. They seem to et on well but gerat to hear O'Neill say they're not friends and they have a job to do.
I imagine very few people would get away with that with Keane other than people he has huge respect for

[Stuttgart88]

I'm always right I find.

Re-iterate again for me what the point was, maybe utilising the Euro 2012 experience as an example...
I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before :)

[Fixer82]

I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before :)

He has definitely pre-iterated it

[BonnieShels]

I'd normally pull you up for asking him to re-iterate something again, but then given Paul does tend to say the same thing over and over, he probably has re-iterated it before :)

The commas should help the pedantry.

In saying that, Paul needs to be asked again and again as I don't remember his declarations being that out of left-field.

[paul_oshea]

I like that Fixer.

I had said Bonnie, from watching him live around 2011 or so or maybe earlier, that the space he leaves which you didnt see on TV, he was getting caught out all the time, also from corners, from set pieces etc etc, his positioning was poor. I was being told on here by the usual posters who always thank a post going against my opinion or view on this forum that he wasnt that bad etc, i said he would be found out and was crap, i was right, as i was about forde, as i was about trap and his failings and many others unfortunately(you gots me on Seamie though he never gave away a penalty(s)!). Just because you saw it later doesn't mean i wasn't right from the start.

DI, except I'd have pointed out the inswinger is of course more effective ;).

I wish I had dodges ability, or should i say time to search posts in the past....to re-preiterate my post(s) :D

[Stuttgart88]

usual posters who always thank a post going against my opinion or view on this forumsomething you never do, of course.

I do like re-preiterate though :)

[paul_oshea]

something you never do, of course.

I do like re-preiterate though :)

No, I agreed with CD :P

[tetsujin1979]

I'll give you three guesses which player's thread this is on the very first page of:

Looks like we might have a real prospect for left full.

How come this wasn't spotted when he spent time in Ireland?

[DannyInvincible]

DI, except I'd have pointed out the inswinger is of course more effective ;).

You'd dismiss what you know from practical experience for once and trust the analytical research of a bunch of geeks? Well, I never! :p

O'Neill on the Dundalk-Hajduk Split game and potential League of Ireland call-ups generally: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/ireland/2014/07/23/4977225/oneill-hails-league-of-ireland-potential?CMPID=FBIRE_140723_oneill


"I thought Dundalk actually played very well and that on the evening they were very unlucky," said O'Neill, speaking on Today FM.

"There's no reason why this should not be a foundation for players to go and push on [to a higher level]."

However, despite lauding the potential of the domestic scene, the Derry native suggested that players would need to feature at a "higher level" in order to cope with the rigours and expectations of international football.

"There might be one or two [players] from the League of Ireland," said O'Neill.

"But I think, obviously, the higher the level, the better chance you might have coping with international football."

[paul_oshea]

BREAKING: Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven.

— The Associated Press (@AP) July 23, 2014

[paul_oshea]

I'll give you three guesses which player's thread this is on the very first page of:

I had been watching him on TV, obviously.

I did post that on 21/12/2009, 9:43 AM. 2009, whereas i mentioned 2011 in my earlier post : )
He was certainly a prospect, but thats all he ever was :P