Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[Fixer82]

And
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-in-tense-stand-off-with-media-over-hotel-incident-1.2003133

I love Roy's reaction to these silly questions.

[tetsujin1979]

I went looking for Joe Brolly comments on NewsTalk's listenback service - http://newstalk.ie/player/listen_back
curiously, it's the only segment that's missing from Sunday's lineup. It should be available as part 1 of the Off The Ball show on November 16th

[ArdeeBhoy]

With respect, one eejit ranting about another one, may not be especially edifying...

[backstothewall]

I suspect you can't get a cigarette paper between Martin & Roy on this sort of nonsense. Keane offers Martin someone to go out and say what Martin is really thinking, then Martin goes out and does the whole good cop routine. And if anyone asks him about what Roy has said all he has to do is say 'Awk that's just Roy being Roy, everything is hunky dory'.

[ArdeeBhoy]

What could possibly go wrong...
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/keane-calls-oneill-martinez-talks

[tetsujin1979]

With respect, one eejit ranting about another one, may not be especially edifying...
probably, but given the way the comments have been reported, I wanted to listen to the exact comments again. I was on the dart at the time, and the signal wasn't great. All I can remember is something about Brolly having seen plenty barristers like Keane, still in court in their 70's and Keane loving having a mic in front of him

The host had to apologise at one point as well, because Brolly swore on air, and then tried to play it down as nothing because people hear it all the time every day.

[shakermaker1982]

I have to say the conduct of some of the Irish football journalists in the past few weeks has been pathetic.

I know they are trying to sell newspapers/get web hits but this Roy Keane j*zz fest every time he looks at a fly on the wall is pathetic. Leave the guy alone and focus on team matters and the 11 guys on the pitch. Trying to s**t stir and cause tension in the camp is not the way forward. Look how well 2002 turned out.

Delaney and the FAI are probably loving this because we are finally back page news but I'd rather we were on the backpage because of a successful result rather than more Roy Keane bear baiting. I've never known an ASSISTANT manager get so much media attention. Second Captains will no doubt spend the next hour of their podcast talking about Keane's interview rather than the poor performance Friday night.

[jbyrne]

I have to say the conduct of some of the Irish football journalists in the past few weeks has been pathetic.


have the majority of them ever been anything but pathetic?

today's story is keanes reaction to being accused of being a distraction. has anyone here discussed last wednesdays hotel "incident" with anyone else? did anyone here buy a paper to inform themselves about the incident?? thought not. the only ones making it a distraction are our pathetic football media.

how this is still making print nearly a week after it happened is beyond me.

[geysir]

Regardless of whether the papers have blown it up I'm sick to death of these distractions. The timing of the book release was crazy, almost an insult to fans of the team who think the team is the most important thing and who expect a match, even against Gibraltar, to be the focus of media attention. I'd prefer his salary to be spent on coach education at this stage.
The distractions are a media thing. Ask O'Neill the same question about Roy in 10 different ways at the press conference and he is then asked if he's fed up with being asked questions about Roy. Are there no football questions to ask?
The timing of the book release is something outside his control once he signs the book contract. It's up to the book company to get the book into public attention before the christmas sales and Roy is the tail that is wagged by the dog.
I'd question the need for such a book at all, most of the content is tittle tattle and Roy is financially secure (or should be) for life.

[paul_oshea]

"He said: "I've spoken to Jack Grealish's father, I spoke to him at the time a way back some time ago. I spoke to the two of them and Jack's father and Jack were not in any great hurry at that particular time to make their minds up - fine, absolutely. I left it entirely up to them."

I take that as the same interpretation initially put up here by towk that oneill had asked them but realised that he hadn't made his mind up so left it open for him. It does appear he had asked him from that though.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Trap gets stuck into MO'N...
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/11/17/trapattoni-to-sue-martin-oneill-for-copyright-infringement/






;)

[liamoo11]

newstalk reporting grealish tweet tonight as been cryptic https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1 .

[Charlie Darwin]

Training on Wednesday should be interesting anyway.

[Bottle of Tonic]

I'm generally all for giving managers time, I was a Trap loyalist well after most people had turned, and in no way am I calling for heads to roll, but I cannot help but feel underwhelmed with Mon and Keane so far. Disappointed is probably closer to the mark actually.

A year in and I'm not seeing much actual management in terms of improving performances with what we have to work with. It sort of feels like the lads are doing a job any number of other candidates could do, MoN does not give me the impression he is 100% into it, he expected to be flying higher at this stage of his career and Keane has not even hid the fact he is half arsed about the gig, stirring the **** with his book, the other job stuff with Celtic and Villa....

I'm actually surprised I'm this disillusioned with them only a year in. I know our players a rubbish. But the managements job is to make them a better unit than they should be. Like Strach is doing with the Scotch.

[tricky_colour]

newstalk reporting grealish tweet tonight as been cryptic https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1 .

Whatever you do wether it's posting a tweeting or making a life changing decision you are going to get judged
on your spelling and grammar..

[Stuttgart88]

The distractions are a media thing. Ask O'Neill the same question about Roy in 10 different ways at the press conference and he is then asked if he's fed up with being asked questions about Roy. Are there no football questions to ask?
The timing of the book release is something outside his control once he signs the book contract. It's up to the book company to get the book into public attention before the christmas sales and Roy is the tail that is wagged by the dog.
I'd question the need for such a book at all, most of the content is tittle tattle and Roy is financially secure (or should be) for life.
I'd still say it was within Keane's ability to get the book launch postponed by a week or so.

As for the media creating the distractions I'd say you're right. If it's not Keane it's Greakish. If it's not Grealish it's Stephen Ireland. If it's not Stephen Ireland it's something else. Anything but the football.

[BonnieShels]

Dunphy was great today on RTÉ.

But this line stood out...


There is this press conference yesterday [Sunday], which I'm told lasted a long time, in which he's attacking journalists going about their job, altercation in the hotel last week, book launches, controversial statements.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2014/1117/660297-dunphy-roy-keane-show-must-end-now/

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Not that we should be surprised but Dunphy failed to watch the thing he commented upon. Imagine that.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

London born Rob Brennan posted this.

https://twitter.com/RobBrennan82/status/534126616738553856

[BonnieShels]

And what about it?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

In the interest of balance after reading posts bashing Keane for stating an honest opinion on something that he has been badgered about in every press conference and has no influence over.

[BonnieShels]

But who is Rob Brennan and his London-provenance is irrelevant. I agree with what you say about Keane being badgered but I think that most of us on here are siding with Keane v the press. Some of the stuff that as said to MON yesterday was unreal. I honestly believe Keane was right to say everything he said.

[paul_oshea]

So you believe he is right what he said about Martinez, McCarthy and Everton?

Personally I would take Kenes honesty over O'Neills conditional subtlety every day of the week when it comes to what's really going on.

[Stuttgart88]

London born Rob Brennan posted this.

https://twitter.com/RobBrennan82/status/534126616738553856
What opinion did he even state though? What he said was pretty innocuous as far as I can recall, that knowing Jack's father a decision won't be quick.

There's no point in sugar coating the JG situation. If Keane wants to comment on it in such mild terms then it's no big deal. If he was to say that it's a disgrace that he can't commit or an act of treachery to walk out on Ireland having played for them for years then that would be ill advised, for sure, but not what (I think) he said.

[Stuttgart88]

So you believe he is right what he said about Martinez, McCarthy and Everton?

Personally I would take Kenes honesty over O'Neills conditional subtlety every day of the week when it comes to what's really going on.
I think there's a place for both.

[paul_oshea]

I am not on about place hence the use of the words to descibe O'Neill. I think keane would give a more honest insight into what's going on, but with obviously his own agenda somewhat.

O'Neill would be far more measured and less definitive wrt to being political and astute for the sake of steadying the ship and keeping it from rocky waters.

[geysir]

But who is Rob Brennan and his London-provenance is irrelevant. I agree with what you say about Keane being badgered but I think that most of us on here are siding with Keane v the press. Some of the stuff that as said to MON yesterday was unreal. I honestly believe Keane was right to say everything he said.
I thought Keane was just being sarcastic about the Everton players and miracles. Keane's sarcasm is his humour, not to be taken too literally.

Then again I'm not Kenright, who blew his 1amp indignation fuse in defence of the club and his Saint Roberto, who apparently partakes in holy communion 3 times daily.

[DannyInvincible]

But who is Rob Brennan and his London-provenance is irrelevant.

Brennan is a journalist/writer with the Irish Post.


So you believe he is right what he said about Martinez, McCarthy and Everton?

Personally I would take Kenes honesty over O'Neills conditional subtlety every day of the week when it comes to what's really going on.

What further light did Roy's "honesty" shed on the situation exactly?

[paul_oshea]

I wasnt overly concerned about O'Neill bringing in mainly the same faces with the addition of christie and mcgoldrick the last day, he seemed very impressed with what he had seen of christie before bringing him in. I think O'Neill has been justified with his squad here, and the questions about new faces have been answered, as he said thats what they have been trying to do, to add quality to the squad. He has done that by the looks of it without giving younger lads a chance who may not add the quality he refers to immediately.

I sometimes think a leftfield selection like this for a competitive game could work wonders, its a bit high risk though, but then you have the regulars coming in when the opposition are tired and wanting to prove themselves, as Shane Long and McGeady did yesterday and you also get the newbies playing without any fear. I think the usa tired yesterday and perhaps these players hadnt full match sharpness/fitness playing in their respective leagues but we finished very strong when the more experienced players came on.

[BonnieShels]

Rhetorical Danny. It's clear from the tweet. I was querying why I should care what the likes of him or say Ger Keville or say Paul O'Shea have to say.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Presumably to hear a different view?

[BonnieShels]

But there are so many views out there from more reliable and well-versed sources that I find it odd that TOWK singled out Rob Brennan as someone with an alternative viewpoint.

[Fixer82]

Listened to Second Captain's podcast. Ken Early said the comment about Grealish's dad was very off the cuff and said in a jokey way.
He said the journos were all very surprised at Keane losing the rag the way he did though later on

[BonnieShels]

So the way it happened is that they were 2 different incidents according to Ken and that his outburst was not to do with Grealish at all.

[SwanVsDalton]

So the way it happened is that they were 2 different incidents according to Ken and that his outburst was not to do with Grealish at all.

The transcribed outburst didn't involve Grealish, it was just on getting asked if he/his actions were a "distraction". That's when he lost the rag.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I thought Brennan's perspective, and skepticism, was interesting considering he is a member of the diaspora.

And I'm not the first person to post a link to one of his tweets so I'm not sure why there is consternation now.

[BonnieShels]

The transcribed outburst didn't involve Grealish, it was just on getting asked if he/his actions were a "distraction". That's when he lost the rag.
Sorry. Yes duh. I didn't really connect the whole thing in my head I'm shattered.



I thought Brennan's perspective, and skepticism, was interesting considering he is a member of the diaspora.

And I'm not the first person to post a link to one of his tweets so I'm not sure why there is consternation now.

Yes we are all foaming at the mouth with apoplexy.

I criticised the tweet as it really adds nothing in my opinion.

I'm pretty exasperated with the JG situation but that's it. Just fed up with it constantly distracting us like I was with McCarthy back in the day. Rob Brennan's position merely reflects that a good lot think. That he is a member of the diaspora is irrelevant and he has no extra right to comment on the situation.

I don't recall his tweets popping up before. Not that that's important.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

His opinion adds nothing, much like Grealish would add nothing to the team at this present moment in time. So why do journalists keep bringing him up in press conferences?

They should go on Facebook and ask his father or ask Jack on one of his Twitter accounts.

Enough of this!

It's common sense to decipher that he is not going to make a decision on what country he plays for until after the England game, at the earliest.

It's a pointless exercise bringing him up in the meantime.

[BonnieShels]

And also an infractional offence.

[gastric]

His opinion adds nothing, much like Grealish would add nothing to the team at this present moment in time. So why do journalists keep bringing him up in press conferences?

They should go on Facebook and ask his father or ask Jack on one of his Twitter accounts.

Enough of this!

It's common sense to decipher that he is not going to make a decision on what country he plays for until after the England game, at the earliest.

It's a pointless exercise bringing him up in the meantime.

So Grealish wouldn't add anything to the U21s? Have you ever heard of planning for the future? It is something most coaches do, hence journalists asking questions about him. And I haven't heard you whinge about the impact that Christie and McGoldrick's inclusion had on team morale? You really know nothing about people and motivations, you just spout out of touch opinions on nationality and eligibility.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hi, gastric.

I was referring to the senior team, not the U-21 team, but Grealish has declined successive invitations to link up with the U-21's. Noel King and Martin O'Neill have invited him to link up with their respective squads. As Roy Keane said, you can't really force the issue after that. If he wants to focus on getting a new contract over the line and breaking into the Villa team that's his prerogative. There is no need to keep asking the manager & assistant redundant questions.

I don't understand what you mean when you bring up Christie & McGoldrick. I do know about Christie & McGoldrick's motivations. It's pretty simple. They want to play International football. McGoldrick is on record as being very eager to play for Ireland and productive about getting the required paperwork over the line. Christie has outright said that he chose to declare for Ireland because he is more likely to get first team football than he would if he declared for England; he also said that there aren't many players ahead of him. And he has come from League One football to starting an Intl. game in the space of 3 months. So he's probably thinking he has made the right decision already.

Whatever about his lack of affinity for Ireland, his honesty and transparency is refreshing, and he did at least ease a few doubts over his ability with his performance on Tuesday.

[gastric]

Hi, gastric.

I was referring to the senior team, not the U-21 team, but Grealish has declined successive invitations to link up with the U-21's. Noel King and Martin O'Neill have invited him to link up with their respective squads. As Roy Keane said, you can't really force the issue after that. If he wants to focus on getting a new contract over the line and breaking into the Villa team that's his prerogative. There is no need to keep asking the manager & assistant redundant questions.

I don't understand what you mean when you bring up Christie & McGoldrick. I do know about Christie & McGoldrick's motivations. It's pretty simple. They want to play International football. McGoldrick is on record as being very eager to play for Ireland and productive about getting the required paperwork over the line. Christie has outright said that he chose to declare for Ireland because he is more likely to get first team football than he would if he declared for England; he also said that there aren't many players ahead of him. And he has come from League One football to starting an Intl. game in the space of 3 months. So he's probably thinking he has made the right decision already.

Whatever about his lack of affinity for Ireland, his honesty and transparency is refreshing, and he did at least ease a few doubts over his ability with his performance on Tuesday.

You asked why journalists keep talking about him in press conferences and I gave you an answer, he is a potential superstar of the future, that's why journalists ask these questions! It is not as simplistic as saying he won't play for the senior team now, therefore they can't ask questions.
Secondly, it is interesting how you seem to have forgotten your recent comments too about how the inclusion of Christie and McGoldrick would affect team morale and how Doherty statistically was a much better player than Christie. You seem to have changed your tune now about Christie and you seem to have conveniently forgot the team morale statement you recently made.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm not saying he won't play for the senior team. I'm saying as long as he is undecided as to what country he wants to play for, there is no point in asking redundant questions. And yes he's a potential superstar of the future. He hasn't started a game at a level higher than League One and Paul Lambert doesn't even judge him to be good enough to get in a squad of 18 yet so that's all up in the air at the moment.

Did I say Christie & McGoldrick would upset morale? I didn't say Doherty was statistically a much better player than Christie. I said he was more experienced at PL, Championship and International level and was in form at one of the best Championship teams. He also didn't need to go through the rigmarole of acquiring a passport so I thought he would be a more prudent option.

I haven't changed my tune. I don't change my tune based on one solitary friendly. Christie did have a blinder of a game but it was one game. It's too early to say he should be a bonafide starter at LB or competing with Coleman for a start.

[Charlie Darwin]

He hasn't started a game at a level higher than League One and Paul Lambert doesn't even judge him to be good enough to get in a squad of 18 yet so that's all up in the air at the moment.
Well, not to big up Grealish as obviously he hasn't set the league alight, but his omission has coincided with Villa's winless run/losing streak. I'd say if Villa were doing better he'd have had more chances, but managers tend to become more conservative when results are going the wrong way and young players tend to get fewer chances (or if they do they're tossed into the first team in desperation). It was the same with McClean at Sunderland.

[tricky_colour]

Whatever you do wether it's posting a tweeting or making a life changing decision you are going to get judged
on your spelling and grammar..

https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1

I just notice he wrote "your going to get judged" when of course we all know, it should be "you're going get judged", not that I am one to judge :)

[gastric]

https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1

I just notice he wrote "your going to get judged" when of course we all know, it should be "you're going get judged", not that I am one to judge :)

And what about wether in your post above?;) Definitely not one to judge Tricky!

[gastric]

I'm not saying he won't play for the senior team. I'm saying as long as he is undecided as to what country he wants to play for, there is no point in asking redundant questions. And yes he's a potential superstar of the future. He hasn't started a game at a level higher than League One and Paul Lambert doesn't even judge him to be good enough to get in a squad of 18 yet so that's all up in the air at the moment.

Did I say Christie & McGoldrick would upset morale? I didn't say Doherty was statistically a much better player than Christie. I said he was more experienced at PL, Championship and International level and was in form at one of the best Championship teams. He also didn't need to go through the rigmarole of acquiring a passport so I thought he would be a more prudent option.

I haven't changed my tune. I don't change my tune based on one solitary friendly. Christie did have a blinder of a game but it was one game. It's too early to say he should be a bonafide starter at LB or competing with Coleman for a start.

And now you are lying. You attacked these players as you believed they would affect team morale and yes you used some rubbishy stats to promote your view that Doherty should play before Christie. Please don't be economical or pedantic with the truth. If I had the time I would find the quotes and repost them.

[Stuttgart88]

O'Neill saying that 352 is a possibility for the home games to get our best players on the pitch together

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/martin-o-neill-positive-about-poland-and-beyond-1.2007779?page=2

[ifk101]

So MON's still having a think about things. After a year in charge.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

And now you are lying. You attacked these players as you believed they would affect team morale and yes you used some rubbishy stats to promote your view that Doherty should play before Christie. Please don't be economical or pedantic with the truth. If I had the time I would find the quotes and repost them.

I'm lying am I? I'm posting rubbish am I?

I stated several reasons - an opinion - on why Doherty should be in the squad ahead of Christie.

You probably can't find the quotes because they are all in your head. I didn't attack anyone or say anything about team morale.

The people whose morale is affected are probably not even in the squad. I know Doherty wasn't happy; he tweeted so much. I can't imagine other players are delighted to be named in extended squads and then dropped for players who weren't even named in the original squad.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

So MON's still having a think about things. After a year in charge.

Park Life.