eircom League 2007 Attendances [Archive] - Page 7

jebus

10/04/2007, 11:38 AM

How can you count "700-800 people". Was it 700? Or was it 800? Maybe it was 746? Or indeed 1,300? Sure if Galway United are faking the official figures, then the Club will be found out by the FAI and will be relegated and fined.

You'd think so wouldn't you, but ye did get promoted off the back of it last year, so obviously they aren't too pushed about sending their own men out to check attendences.

As for your oh so witty remark about counting, well maybe I should have said figured the attendence to be about 700-800 people, but I'd like to think that some day people won't be so anal on this website, obviouisly that day hasn't arrived

Conor H

10/04/2007, 11:44 AM

Mr A

10/04/2007, 11:50 AM

Conor, I don't think the release of official attendances is the point, it's whether those that Galway have released have been accurate. Having been at the match the Limerick lads are referring to, I have to say that I was very surprised when I heard the official attendance that night as well.

Monkfish

10/04/2007, 3:03 PM

GUFC give official attendances.

There's no made up figures like some Clubs(Sligo-who just go 1800,2200,1300 etc etc.)

The anti-Galway agenda from Limerick fans is just coming to the surface again.
Limerick fans having a go at other Clubs!:D

No just yourselves, thats cause we're bored and no-one responds with such wit and originality as you do.

pineapple stu

10/04/2007, 10:29 PM

Update after week 5.

PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 2,951 (2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976; 2004 - 2,340)
Bray - 2,250 (1,027; 1,550; 818 FD)
Cork - 3,000 (2,941; 3,644; 4,033)
Derry - 3,750 (3,229; 2,698; 1,672) (missing Cork)
Drogheda - 1,850 (1,751; 1,682; 1,554)
Galway - 2,738 (1,148 FD; 566 FD; 571 FD)
Longford - 933 (681; 1,004; 1,131)
Pat's - 1,732 (1,342; 1,599; 1,882)
Rovers - 1,700 (1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349)
Sligo - 1,400 (1,806; 1,794 FD; 781 FD)
UCD - 930 (546; 653; 306 FD)
Waterford - 1,800 (915; 1,513; 1,753)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 1,750 (421; 316; 291)
Cobh - 339 (368; 403; 240)
Dundalk - 2,350 (1,078; 474; 591)
Harps - 875 (428; 1,347 PD; 1,106)
Kildare - 230 (265; 186; 298)
Kilkenny - 175 (122; 185; 110)
Limerick - 889 (364; 669; 188)
Monaghan - 450 (204; 183; 182)
Shels - 1,532 (1,690 PD; 1,949 PD; 2,158 PD)
Wexford - 1,815 (n/a)

Premier Division average - 1,995 (1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 1,001 (570; 520; 512)

Overall average - 1,545 (1,070; 1,195; 1,218)

FD is an average crowd in the First Division; PD is an average crowd in the Premier Division. I've only put that in where the attendances was when the club was in a different one to their current division.

Recent matches missing -
Derry v Cork

galwayhoop

10/04/2007, 10:51 PM

we counted about 700-800 people,

surprised someone from your neck of the woods even managed to get into double digits, never mind 3 digits. 4 was always going to be a problem to you!

typical limerick - out to sharpen the daggers at every opportunity......

HulaHoop

10/04/2007, 10:57 PM

The 1700 average you have for Rovers is a bit high.

V Longford - Not sure, you have it down as 2000 but thought it was only around 1600 myself. Nothing offical on the ultras forum.
V Galway 1100 (this is official, posted on members section of ultras forum)
V Dundalk (league cup) 779 again official figure

Magicme

11/04/2007, 12:00 AM

Anyhoo, nice to see the first division average up so high even without Galway and Rovers. Would be a lot higher too without Monaghan and Kilkenny

Behave urself.....

Also our attendance was over 1,000 the other nite. Cant rem the exact figure but I know that there was a big Mons crowd as well as the brill support that Dundalk brought.

OneRedArmy

11/04/2007, 8:52 AM

I'll start the Derry v Cork guessing at 3,000-3,200.

Substantially less by the end of the match.

Sumac

11/04/2007, 9:29 AM

WeAreRovers

11/04/2007, 10:05 AM

What do Rovers fans expect the average attaendance to be when they (eventually) move to Tallaght. 1,700 is a disappointing average for a club which is historically the most successful. I would have thought they would have a much bigger following around Dublin

The weird thing is we're getting more away from home - 1,600 at Bohs last week, guts of 2,000 at Bray and well over 1,000 at UCD. Tolka is to blame - it's a dump and we're essentially still a Southside club.

KOH

NY Hoop

11/04/2007, 10:25 AM

The weird thing is we're getting more away from home - 1,600 at Bohs last week, guts of 2,000 at Bray and well over 1,000 at UCD. Tolka is to blame - it's a dump and we're essentially still a Southside club.

KOH

All true plus after 20 years on the road I'm surprised we're getting 1,700! Delighted we got an away game in the LC. Despise tolka with a passion.

KOH

BohDiddley

11/04/2007, 11:31 AM

Update after week 5.
...
Premier Division average - 1,995 (1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 1,001 (570; 520; 512)

Overall average - 1,545 (1,070; 1,195; 1,218)

That's a 30% jump on last season in the PD, and a near 45% jump overall. :) Reasons to be cheerful, or are there some factors in there not accounted for?

superfrank

11/04/2007, 11:42 AM

That's a 30% jump on last season in the PD, and a near 45% jump overall. :) Reasons to be cheerful, or are there some factors in there not accounted for?
Bank Holiday weekend?

galwaygirl

11/04/2007, 11:43 AM

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Official attendances at Galway United V. St. Patrick's Athletic -2855
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i thought there was over 3000 to be honest, but i'll believe u Paddyfield

Conor H

11/04/2007, 11:45 AM

Bank Holiday weekend?

GUFC and Rovers up.

HulaHoop

11/04/2007, 11:51 AM

All true plus after 20 years on the road I'm surprised we're getting 1,700! Delighted we got an away game in the LC. Despise tolka with a passion.

KOH

But we're not even averaging 1700. The figures stu has for our first two home league games are wrong. Our real average is around 1400.

pineapple stu

11/04/2007, 12:30 PM

Dodge

11/04/2007, 12:58 PM

At this stage, I'd like to post my forthnightly "these estimates are ridiculous when compared to some clubs who give exact amounts" post.

these estimates are ridiculous when compared to some clubs who give exact amounts

Dazzy

11/04/2007, 1:33 PM

That's a 30% jump on last season in the PD, and a near 45% jump overall. :) Reasons to be cheerful, or are there some factors in there not accounted for?

Reason being no Dublin City. Just over 3000 for Derry - Cork

HulaHoop

11/04/2007, 2:03 PM

League Cup doesn't count. Take it away and, give or take, you're at my 1700 average figure.

Ok for the moment lets say the 2000 for the Longford game is accurate even though I believe it isn't.

2000 + 1100 = 3100 divide by 2 = 1550 average.

Thats not 1700

jebus

11/04/2007, 2:26 PM

Reason being no Dublin City. Just over 3000 for Derry - Cork

Wexford Youths have brought a good few fans in aswell

dcfcsteve

11/04/2007, 4:44 PM

Reason being no Dublin City. Just over 3000 for Derry - Cork

A lack of Dublin City ahs definitely helped the Premier average to-date - but attendances are up almost everywhere.

Any thoughts on why this is ? My tuppence worth /;

1) The addition of Wexford and their healthy crowds has helped. Will be interesting to see if they're just a novelty or not.

2) A popular/inclusive club in Limerick is also having a positive impact.

3) Have the club promotion officers had that much of an impact so quickly ? Would be interesting to compare changes in attendnaces at all clubs with PO's versus those without.

Any other thoughts on why crowds are looking up universally for at least this first series of games ? Is the improvement in quality of the league actually starting to sink-in ? Are we seeing a follow-on from recent European results (City certainly are anyway).

pete

11/04/2007, 4:49 PM

Any other thoughts on why crowds are looking up universally for at least this first series of games ? Is the improvement in quality of the league actually starting to sink-in ? Are we seeing a follow-on from recent European results (City certainly are anyway).

Attendances are usually high for first couple of weeks & then drop off due to saturation tv expose to the CL & EPL but i does seem like attendances have held up this season.
- Shamrock back in the Premier
- Galway Utd in the Premier
- Wexford & Limerick 37 replacing DC & old Limerick
- Improved facilities at some grounds
- Reasonable weather so far.
- Live TV exposure?
- Demise of Shels meaning Premier title more open?
- Relegation of Shels boosting first division numbers?

The Rebel Ram

11/04/2007, 5:17 PM

Attendances are usually high for first couple of weeks & then drop off due to saturation tv expose to the CL & EPL but i does seem like attendances have held up this season.
- Shamrock back in the Premier
- Galway Utd in the Premier
- Wexford & Limerick 37 replacing DC & old Limerick
- Improved facilities at some grounds
- Reasonable weather so far.
- Live TV exposure?
- Demise of Shels meaning Premier title more open?
- Relegation of Shels boosting first division numbers?

I feel the high quality of ex-eircom league players in England this season is showing a lot of people that we have great quality at home that was unrecognized.

pineapple stu

11/04/2007, 5:29 PM

Reason being no Dublin City. Just over 3000 for Derry - Cork
Don't be silly. DC weren't holding back attandances by 30-odd%

2000 + 1100 = 3100 divide by 2 = 1550 average.

Thats not 1700
I still had 1400 in for the Galway game. Changed to 1100, as mentioned earlier by NY Hoop for one, I think.

it does seem like attendances have held up this season.
- Improved facilities at some grounds
- Live TV exposure?
- Demise of Shels meaning Premier title more open?
- Relegation of Shels boosting first division numbers?
I don't think you can say the attendances have held up this season - they haven't really had time to fall back, and if you want to be cynical, they haven't hit the heights of the first day yet. They are up though, although I don't think the reasons you highlight above are overly relevant.
1) I don't think building a new jacks or what have you is going to put attendances up 50%, or even 5%. Yes, it's nice to see, etc, but people aren't going to go to games because the ground is a bit nicer. Leinster are the oft-mentioned case in point her.
2) Don't think so, to be honest. A lot of the games have been poor, by all accounts. Hasn't hurt obviously. Still desperately need a proper highlights show rather than 40-live games per season.
3) Don't really think this is relevant. In fairness, for the strength of Shels' squad, the title went down to the wire the last two seasons, with Shels not being involved one season.
4) Nope - they're just replacing Rovers really.

I think the CPOs deserve credit to an extent, and - God help me for saying this - the FAI. We've had Open Days, merchandise and season tickets given away (I'd be interested to see what proportion of the increase is kids getting in for free, for example), ads in papers, fold out fixture lists, loyalty cards and the likes. That all helps a fair bit.

oriel

11/04/2007, 9:35 PM

Attendances are usually high for first couple of weeks & then drop off due to saturation tv expose to the CL & EPL but i does seem like attendances have held up this season.
- Shamrock back in the Premier
- Galway Utd in the Premier
- Wexford & Limerick 37 replacing DC & old Limerick
- Improved facilities at some grounds
- Reasonable weather so far.
- Live TV exposure?
- Demise of Shels meaning Premier title more open?
- Relegation of Shels boosting first division numbers?

Good man pete, nothing to do with our crowds that are the highest in the first div, 5th best overall so far, not to mention contributing just a little bit to mons best for the season ?

OneRedArmy

11/04/2007, 9:54 PM

Don't be silly. DC weren't holding back attandances by 30-odd%Maybe not the full 30% but a large % of it.

If you analyse the numbers, particularly their home games against non-Dublin sides and compare against either Rovers/Galway who replaced them a substantial part of the increase could be attributable to DC.

Crowds really started to dip last year after the (insane) summer break. Lets wait until then and compare like with like.

higgins

12/04/2007, 1:38 AM

I'd put the Shels Athlone crowd at about 1300.

However, I'd also have the Kildare game at 1700 :)

NY Hoop

12/04/2007, 10:45 AM

pete

12/04/2007, 12:12 PM

That's Rovers to you biy!

Yeah bigger crowds than Dublin City & Shels. Do you want a medal? :D :p

pineapple stu

12/04/2007, 12:20 PM

Maybe not the full 30% but a large % of it.

If you analyse the numbers, particularly their home games against non-Dublin sides and compare against either Rovers/Galway who replaced them a substantial part of the increase could be attributable to DC.
Eh, still no, unfortunately.

Let's, for example, take Kilkenny out of the figures. The average would jump from 1545 to 1595 - 3%. Certainly not what I'd call a large % of 30%.

OneRedArmy

12/04/2007, 12:39 PM

Eh, still no, unfortunately.

Let's, for example, take Kilkenny out of the figures. The average would jump from 1545 to 1595 - 3%. Certainly not what I'd call a large % of 30%.I'm referring to the Premier figures.

Compare like with like. We have substituted a club that averaged about 100 home fans with one that attracts over 1500 home fans.

pineapple stu

12/04/2007, 12:43 PM

OK, you're still wrong.

Take off 2200, say (which is substituting two DC games @ 400 a head for 2 Rovers games at 1500 a head) and you get a decrease of 5�%. Still not 30%, or anything close. It's a help, obviously, but not close to explaining the whole increase.

Pablo

12/04/2007, 12:45 PM

I reckon the EL's biggest crowd of the season will be at TX tomorrow night.

Buller

12/04/2007, 12:49 PM

I reckon the EL's biggest crowd of the season will be at TX tomorrow night.

;) lets hope its the best match aswell...

OneRedArmy

12/04/2007, 1:11 PM

I reckon the EL's biggest crowd of the season will be at TX tomorrow night.Have you found the missing 3,000 fans lost 2 years ago hiding in a salt mine?

Or maybe have our transitory bandwagon jumpers that have started drifting away in recents weeks returned to Cork to support you?

The mind boggles.....

Pablo

12/04/2007, 1:18 PM

Have you found the missing 3,000 fans lost 2 years ago hiding in a salt mine?

Or maybe have our transitory bandwagon jumpers that have started drifting away in recents weeks returned to Cork to support you?

The mind boggles.....

Like the 4,000 you were missing on Monday night compared to when the last game took place?

people in glass houses etc etc

I wonder how many of "the best fans in Ireland(TM)" will be at Derrys home games should the slump continue?

I must save that post for future reference.......

OneRedArmy

12/04/2007, 1:28 PM

Like the 4,000 you were missing on Monday night compared to when the last game took place?

people in glass houses etc etc

I wonder how many of "the best fans in Ireland(TM)" will be at Derrys home games should the slump continue?

I must save that post for future reference.......Still running short of irony detectors on Leeside?

Our fans are as fickle as yours (almost), we know that.

pete

12/04/2007, 1:57 PM

Or maybe have our transitory bandwagon jumpers that have started drifting away in recents weeks returned to Cork to support you?

From maybe 3-4 years ago our core support has probably doubled & I think we would get 1500 at any match now. We have a lot of big games in the league, cup, setanta cup & europe so only natural fans who can not attend all games will have to choose the best ones.

The closure of the shed last season affected the numbers as vocal support spread around the ground. I still expect the new stand to boost numbers this season.

NY Hoop

12/04/2007, 2:08 PM

;) lets hope its the best match aswell...

Amen to that. Would have thought this is a game for live tv. Anyway cork always get a good crowd when we're in town.

KOH

Pablo

12/04/2007, 2:37 PM

Amen to that. Would have thought this is a game for live tv. Anyway cork always get a good crowd when we're in town.

KOH

Yeah nothing like Rovers for a banker of 3 points!

Green&whitearmy

12/04/2007, 9:29 PM

UCD v bray, max 450, probably less though, 90% seemed to be from bray, no one stood up at all in the seats when UCD scored apart from the few down the end trying to sing, god loves triers!!

pineapple stu

12/04/2007, 11:30 PM

No, 450 is about right. Including about 20 in a very crowded press box for some reason.

I didn't realise it was a requirement to stand up when you scored?!

Jerry The Saint

13/04/2007, 10:22 AM

I didn't realise it was a requirement to stand up when you scored?!

:rolleyes: What else would you do:confused:

As Nick Hornby said, if you're sitting down and your team scores it's an involuntary reaction - like sneezing. :)

Mr A

13/04/2007, 10:26 AM

:rolleyes: What else would you do:confused:

As Nick Hornby said, if you're sitting down and your team scores it's an involuntary reaction - like sneezing. :)

Eh? I don't think I've ever sneezed when Harps scored.

DmanDmythDledge

13/04/2007, 12:39 PM

UCD v bray, max 450, probably less though, 90% seemed to be from bray, no one stood up at all in the seats when UCD scored apart from the few down the end trying to sing, god loves triers!!
So you think the whole stand would have been standing had Bray scored?:confused: :D Bray had 50 at the very most.

What else would you do:confused:
Seriously that's the way the crowd is at Belfield. Most of the crowd seem to be old and so very few fans that sing. And there's always people standing around the ground already.