eircom League 2007 Attendances

[Conor H]

The goals were in the 1st minute.There was vast amounts of people still waiting to get in outside and quite a number missed the goals.
There was only about 1000 people in the ground 10 minutes before kick off.

You'll find if you watch EL weekly the next night the stand will be alot more full.

Of course you would have noticed this aswell-you're chip on the shoulder with UTD is incredible.
Anyone who doesn't believe me have a look at our forum.

[pineapple stu]

The goals were in the 1st minute.
Apart from the one in the 17th minute...

The ground did fill up after kick off, I agree, but the stand is still fairly empty for the third goal.

[Conor H]

Apart from the one in the 17th minute...

The ground did fill up after kick off, I agree, but the stand is still fairly empty for the third goal.

That's the old stand.
The new stand which holds 1700 was pretty much full.
There was about 200 kids not accounted for and about 5-600 in the old stand and behind the goals in the Clubhouse end.

[pineapple stu]

1500 seats (http://www.galwayunitedfc.ie/menu-items/terryland-park.html), not 1700.

I was in the old stand looking across to the new, and it was not pretty much full. Two thirds tops. Plenty of gaps; bits of the letters sticking out all over.

[Conor H]

Stu how do you think we would have made up the figure juts out of curiosity?
Also-how come you never hear other away fans disputing the attendances(bar Limerick:rolleyes:)?
It wouldn't have anything to do with your well known dislike for GUFC?
Also how many fans did ye bring last night?

[jebus]

Stu how do you think we would have made up the figure juts out of curiosity?
Also-how come you never hear other away fans disputing the attendances(bar Limerick:rolleyes:)?
It wouldn't have anything to do with your well known dislike for GUFC?
Also how many fans did ye bring last night?

Quite a few fans of other clubs commented on how there seemed to be less in the ground than was given as your attendence, I remember you getting quite lippy with some of them. Great thing about selective memories I suppose :rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Stu how do you think we would have made up the figure juts out of curiosity?
Are you asking me how you would have made up a number?

Or is it my guesstimate? I would have said 1000 in the new stand, 500 in the old going on that camerawork, and 200 around the ground.

I'm just curious as to where everyone was. Your explanation has been shot down. I thought the figure was high when it was announced at the game, and having seen that the stand was a lot emptier than I realised. You can rant away if you want, or you can enter a grown up debate.

[Conor H]

Jebus,what a surprise that you've come into this thread....another member of the obsession with GUFC Club.
No point of argueing with you.It'll just go round in circles.Best of Luck next season.

[Conor H]

Are you asking me how you would have made up a number?

Or is it my guesstimate? I would have said 1000 in the new stand, 500 in the old going on that camerawork, and 200 around the ground.

I'm just curious as to where everyone was. Your explanation has been shot down. I thought the figure was high when it was announced at the game, and having seen that the stand was a lot emptier than I realised. You can rant away if you want, or you can enter a grown up debate.

Everyone was in the ground stu.
there was considerably more than 1000 in the new stand and at least 7-800 in the old stand....with around 400 scattered around the ground.
The attendances are official-there is no debate.You're wrong.

[jebus]

Jebus,what a surprise that you've come into this thread....another member of the obsession with GUFC Club.
No point of argueing with you.It'll just go round in circles.Best of Luck next season.

Scroll back a page there deary, the massive fans brought Limerick into the equation on this one, namely geezer this time, as you lot normally do. Obsessed indeed, still selective memories I suppose :rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Everyone was in the ground stu.
there was considerably more than 1000 in the new stand and at least 7-800 in the old stand....with around 400 scattered around the ground.
The attendances are official-there is no debate.You're wrong.
So you're saying -


The new stand was more than 2/3rds full, even though it had plenty of gaps? Don't believe that.
The old stand (1400 capacity) was well over half full? The pictures show that to be highly doubtful.
400 standing? Again, the video shows that to be highly doubtful, insofar as you can see. No-one standing in front of the old stand (accounted for in the main stand figure), about 75 behind the goal the third goal goes into?

[Conor H]

So you're saying -


The new stand was more than 2/3rds full, even though it had plenty of gaps? Don't believe that.
The old stand (1400 capacity) was well over half full? The pictures show that to be highly doubtful.
400 standing? Again, the video shows that to be highly doubtful, insofar as you can see. No-one standing in front of the old stand (accounted for in the main stand figure), about 75 behind the goal the third goal goes into?

Yes.

Again
-pictures in 1st minute and of Old Stand.
The attendance was/is accurate.

First Saturday night in for a while and i spend it like this.I'm sad!:p

[jebus]

surprised you're still here conor, I thought you'd be safely tucked away at galwaynet ranting about yours truly, starting another poll about me, or trying to pick me out of photos of Limerick supporters. Obsession indeed. The really sad thing Conor is that all of that is true and has already happened!! :eek::eek:

[gufct]

Stu the reason you couldnt see how many people were in the old stand is because there was no lights in it and all our hardcore who make the noise have moved to Section C & D where the majority actually stand at the back.

Im involved in the running of match nights in Terryland for over 20 years and I thought there was closer to 2,500 in the ground and yes we attempt to count everyone that enters the ground for Health & Safety records. You will be glad to know we will actually have a bar code system for all season tickets next year so we wont have to rely on your tremendous mathematical brain.

You were slating our mascot for upsetting your subs at half time and the cheek of our players for actually contesting the game last night and not letting ye win on our forum here and its great to see that other mathematical genius jebus who slate us every chance he gets joins in. Most fans that come to terryland have commented on the ground improvements and how big our crowds were but all you can do is criticise and call us liars get a life id say most UCD fans are embarrased by your posts today.

[Conor H]

Actually it was a poll about the most annoying poster on foot.ie
You were 1st(i think) and Pineaplle Stu 2nd-what a coincidence.

But yes you are obsessed.Goodnight.

[jebus]

Actually it was a poll about the most annoying poster on foot.ie
You were 1st(i think) and Pineaplle Stu 2nd-what a coincidence.

But yes you are obsessed.Goodnight.

And the photos Conor? What about when you went searching the internet for photos of Limerick fans so you could try and find out who I was :eek:

And wouldn't you have won except you didn't accept that the amount of people who voted for where doing so because they actually find you annoying :D

It's a sad life indeed Conor

[Rovers fan]

Superfrank, Idont know where you got 800-1000, the covered stand was more or less full and there was a pretty good crowd behind the goal. I'd would have said between 1300-1400 at the game.

Ya i would have thought there was at least 1200 at the game.

[rebelarmyexile]

my estimate for the CorkVBohs final about 5000ish. anything more precise?

[sligoman]

Oh christ such a thread, Galway and UCD arguing ffs. Who gives a ****e what the attendance given here is? It's not as if the thread has any real signifigance anyway.

[pineapple stu]

It's not as if the thread has any real signifigance anyway.
Got Galway into the Premier, didn't it? ;)

[gufct]

Oh christ such a thread, Galway and UCD arguing ffs. Who gives a ****e what the attendance given here is? It's not as if the thread has any real signifigance anyway.

Its not UCD its Pineapple Stu and that other great UCD fan Jebus calling everyone liars bar themselves.

[jebus]

Its not UCD its Pineapple Stu and that other great UCD fan Jebus calling everyone liars bar themselves.

I think you'll find it's just sections of the massive club that I'm calling liars here champ. Honestly though I'm not sure if Galway are cooking the books this year, but you did last year, you can deny it all you want but you know I'm right. Plus isn't a certain N.Leeson a major figure at your club? Forgive me for not having the utmost faith in his honesty :D

[Patrick Dunne]

New stand accomodates 1500 when full. I would estimate that there was at least 1200 there. I was selling GUST Lotto tickets in the centre of the stand, there were absolutely no spare seats - granted, there was room at both ends of the stand.

It is difficult to estimate crowd in the old stand, as most people there are standing up. At most 500, at worst 300, a middle figure of 400 would be reasonable enough.

Two stands 1600

There were definitely 150-200 adults standing along the three sides of the ground where standing is permitted, and with several hundred U16s running wild, the official attendance does not seem like an exaggeration.

Why would we purposely exaggerate attendances this season anyway ?

[pineapple stu]

New stand accomodates 1500 when full. I would estimate that there was at least 1200 there. I was selling GUST Lotto tickets in the centre of the stand, there were absolutely no spare seats - granted, there was room at both ends of the stand.

It is difficult to estimate crowd in the old stand, as most people there are standing up. At most 500, at worst 300, a middle figure of 400 would be reasonable enough.

Two stands 1600

There were definitely 150-200 adults standing along the three sides of the ground where standing is permitted, and with several hundred U16s running wild, the official attendance does not seem like an exaggeration.

Why would we purposely exaggerate attendances this season anyway ?
I pretty much agree with you up to this point. There were not "several hundred" U-16s around the ground.

I don't know why you would exaggerate your crowds, and I don't really care why. I'm just queryin the figure is all. Conor H got the figure by saying the stand was packed (which it wasn't) and holds 1700 (which it doesn't). You've gotten the figure by adding on several hundred U-16s, whom I must have missed.

[holidaysong]

Terrible attendance at Dundalk vs. Kildare - about 600 I'd say.

[gufct]

I cant believe that you are still questioning our official figures did you count the people standing around the pitch/ at the chipper/ in the toilet. All our figures are checked and sent off by fax to the FAI before full time and announced before the end of the game what is the process at UCD seeing as you are telling us how to do our job.

All season tickets are ticked off a list at evey game and all kids for free are also ticked off what ffin more do you want a sworn statement before a peace commissioner get a life.

[Maroon 7]

Why bother lads?

It's the same two trolls that bring up the attendance chesnut time after time and seem to have some bizarre fixation with GUFC. The only place where this "theory" exists is in the minds of these two ringpieces and nowhere else.

I couldn't make the game on Friday but I've been at more or less every home game since the new stand was opened and more or less every game it's either been full or not far off full (not sure what it was like last Friday but it may have been less as UCD is just about the most unattractive fixture in the division). Given that you usually have a few hundred scattered around the perimeter of the ground and another few hundred in the old stand (between the hardcore who stand at the back of the old stand in rows 4 or 5 deep and the away fans). Not to mention that Terryland is usually infested with a small army of kids every match night. I certainly have no reason to doubt the official attendances. They look about right to me in as much as you can guesstimate using your eyes and frankly trying to guesstimate large crowds using your eyes is a mug's game. You can quite easily be a few hundred out.

So in short accusations of GUFC making up attendance figures out of thin air is a complete load of bobbins which is not suprising given the unhealthy obsession with all things GUFC that the two accusers seem to have.

[Pablo]

3,900 odd at City V Bohs

[Battery Rover]

Athlone Town vs Cobh Ramblers official attendance 1421. About 650 / 700 Ramblers supporters.

[LeixlipRed]

720 v Wexford last night

[oriel]

Terrible attendance at Dundalk vs. Kildare - about 600 I'd say.


850 as per www.dundalkfc.com

still v poor though

[oriel]

I pretty much agree with you up to this point. There were not "several hundred" U-16s around the ground.

I don't know why you would exaggerate your crowds, and I don't really care why. I'm just queryin the figure is all. Conor H got the figure by saying the stand was packed (which it wasn't) and holds 1700 (which it doesn't). You've gotten the figure by adding on several hundred U-16s, whom I must have missed.

Stu - you should send Galway a trophy for 'best estimated attendances' award for 2007

[Sam_Heggy]

About 800 in Kilkenny imo, Stand at the side of pitch was full and stand behind the nets was 2/3 full.
Impressive stand behind the nets btw, it must hold 1000+ and looks the part. The stand at the side prob holds around 200.

[Bray Head]

Ya i would have thought there was at least 1200 at the game.

Bray vs. Sligo was about 1500. Covered Stand was almost full and it holds over 900 and a good crowd behind the goal.

[dcfcsteve]

I propose the only way to counter any suspicion that clubs may be exaggerating attendances is to introduce VAT onto gate receipts... :D

A bit like City's had to put up with for decades !

[holidaysong]

850 as per www.dundalkfc.com

still v poor though

Didn't think it was as much as that myself.

[gufct]

Stu - you should send Galway a trophy for 'best estimated attendances' award for 2007

and UCD would win the "best actual attendance" because you could count the crowd in Belfield there is so few there :p

[monutdfc]

Why would we purposely exaggerate attendances this season anyway ?
So you were purposely exaggerating them last season then?

[Lim till i die]

and UCD would win the "best actual attendance" because you could count the crowd in Belfield there is so few there

I'd imagine the best actual attendance award would go to the club with the best actual attendance :confused:


And the photos Conor? What about when you went searching the internet for photos of Limerick fans so you could try and find out who I was

Just on this, they were way off about everyone :)



Anyway back OT, I'd say between 70 and 100 at Monaghan United v Limerick37

Didn't bother doing a headcount...........

[jebus]

Didn't think it was as much as that myself.

And that sort of honesty is why you and your two bit club didn't get promoted last year!!!

:p

[John83]

Stu ... all you can do is criticise and call us liars get a life id say most UCD fans are embarrased by your posts today.
I'd rather you didn't speak for us. Myself, I see a conversation that pretty much goes:

Pineapple stu: Your club is doing this wrong.
Fans of Club: Nuh-uh!
PS: No, look, I have figures. Well, estimates. Here, I have a powerpoint presentation which should clear it all up.
Fans: Witch! (Err, we mean 'Obsessed!')

Some time later, Pineapple stu emails me a newspaper article about the club going bankrupt or something.

Now, here's my theory. Pineapple stu is a witch, and anyone who calls him names risks having their club send to the first division like Shelbourne.

[Patrick Dunne]

Its very easy to be 50% out with crowd estimates.

I thought there were 2 UCD supporters at the game last Friday, it turns out
that there were 3.

[Rovers fan]

The most stupid argument ever!
Pineapple stu: get over it
GUFC fans: don't reply and he'll get over it!

[pineapple stu]

Stu - you should send Galway a trophy for 'best estimated attendances' award for 2007
Was thinking of sending them an award for Most Members of the Invisible Man's Family at a Game, actually. Credit where it's due; the league needs innovative promotions like that.

Got PMed a couple of Bohs' attendances - 949 v UCD: 949, 1430 v Longford and 1331 v Galway (think it was only a guesstimate in before? Exactly 1800 is what I had.

Going on all that, here's the first final update for the season. (2) is a game in the second series of matches. Figures in brackets are averages in previous seasons.

PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 1,924 (2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976; 2004 - 2,340)
Bray - 1,200 (1,027; 1,550; 818 FD)
Cork - 2,990 (2,941; 3,644; 4,033) (missing St Pat's 2)
Derry - 2,614 (3,229; 2,698; 1,672) (missing Bohs 2, Longford and Waterford)
Drogheda - 1,919 (1,751; 1,682; 1,554) (missing Bray 2 and Sligo 2)
Galway - 2,199 (1,148 FD; 566 FD; 571 FD)
Longford - 910 (681; 1,004; 1,131) (missing Bray 2 and Waterford 2)
Pat's - 1,892 (1,342; 1,599; 1,882) (missing Drogheda 2)
Rovers - 1,819 (1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349) (missing Sligo 2 and Waterford 2)
Sligo - 1,513 (1,806; 1,794 FD; 781 FD) (missing Cork 2, Pat's 2 and Waterford 2)
UCD - 663 (546; 653; 306 FD)
Waterford - 1,181 (915; 1,513; 1,753)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 670 (421; 316; 291)
Cobh - 674 (368; 403; 240) (missing Wexford 2)
Dundalk - 1,406 (1,078; 474; 591)
Harps - 1,164 (428; 1,347 PD; 1,106)
Kildare - 243 (265; 186; 298)
Kilkenny - 186 (122; 185; 110) (missing Kildare 2, Monaghan (both) and Wexford 2)
Limerick - 678 (364; 669; 188) (missing Monaghan 2)
Monaghan - 292 (204; 183; 182) (missing Cobh 2, Kildare 2, Kilkenny 2, Shels 2 and Wexford 2)
Shels - 888 (1,690 PD; 1,949 PD; 2,158 PD)
Wexford - 819 (n/a) (missing Dundalk 2)

Premier Division average - 1,712 (1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 726 (570; 520; 512)

Overall average - 1,244 (1,070; 1,195; 1,218)

FD is an average crowd in the First Division; PD is an average crowd in the Premier Division. I've only put that in where the attendances was when the club was in a different one to their current division.

I'm going to see what comes up here in the next couple of days, then put a few posts on the various club forums to fill in the gaps. Have figures from 94% of Premier Division games and 93% of First Division games.

Interesting to note that, despite the best efforts of the various CPOs, this season's overall average is a mere 49 more than 2005, if you take it that a large reason for last year's drop was the World Cup halving attendances for three rounds. And in 2005, we had Dublin City (average crowd 175), where now we have Wexford (average 819).

[pineapple stu]

Couple of other stats - final rankings


PREMIER DIVISION
Team Average Games Top
Cork City 2,990 15 5,000
Derry City 2,614 14 4,000
Galway United 2,199 17 3,314
Bohemians 1,924 17 3,572
Drogheda United 1,919 16 3,000
St Pat's Ath 1,892 15 3,728
Shamrock Rovers 1,819 14 4,207
Sligo Rovers 1,513 13 2,600
Bray Wanderers 1,200 16 2,700
Waterford Utd 1,181 17 2,700
Longford Town 910 15 2,100
UCD 663 17 1,645


FIRST DIVISION
Team Average Games Top
Dundalk 1,406 18 2,500
Finn Harps 1,164 18 3,100
Shelbourne 888 18 1,896
Wexford Youths 819 17 2,130
Limerick FC 678 17 1,514
Cobh Ramblers 674 17 1,500
Athlone Town 670 18 2,000
Monaghan United 292 13 850
Kildare County 243 18 510
Kilkenny City 186 14 800

[pineapple stu]

Percentage changes over the past three season...



Club Overall 2007 2006 2005
Athlone Town 130.75% 59.33% 33.21% 8.72%
Bohemians -17.77% 31.54% -25.97% -15.56%
Bray Wanderers 46.76% 16.88% -33.76% 89.57%
Cobh Ramblers 180.25% 82.94% -8.49% 67.40%
Cork City -25.87% 1.68% -19.31% -9.64%
Derry City 56.34% -19.04% 19.69% 61.33%
Drogheda United 23.47% 9.60% 4.08% 8.24%
Dundalk 137.76% 30.41% 127.38% -19.82%
Finn Harps 5.19% 172.03% -68.23% 21.73%
Galway United 285.12% 91.49% 102.77% -0.82%
Kildare County -18.55% -8.65% 42.47% -37.41%
Kilkenny City 69.54% 53.05% -34.05% 67.96%
Limerick FC 259.82% 86.06% -45.52% 254.95%
Longford Town -19.51% 33.55% -32.14% -11.18%
Monaghan United 59.98% 43.22% 11.09% 0.55%
St Pat's Ath 0.52% 40.97% -16.06% -15.06%
Shamrock Rovers 34.85% 66.98% -29.19% 14.05%
Shelbourne -58.85% -47.45% -13.27% -9.72%
Sligo Rovers 93.68% -16.19% 0.63% 129.67%
UCD 116.57% 21.53% -16.43% 113.24%
Waterford Utd -32.62% 29.12% -39.52% -13.72%

"Overall" is the change from 2004 to 2007; other columns are season on season changes. Seasons in bold indicate a new division (i.e. promoted or relegated the previous season).

[pete]

City v Bohs was reported in the media as 5000 but I can't see how those numbers add up. 4000 a better estimate.

It was mentioned in the programme (matchday magazine) in same game that attendances up i think 18% (need to double check) this season before the last league game. I don't know if that league games or all games, an average or a total figure. Make of it what you will...

[oriel]

Pineapple - thanks again for taking the time to co-ordinate all of this during the season, I really enjoyed reading this section of the site.

[WoodquayBoy]

Yes, well done, it was interesting to see how clubs were doing

[Battery Rover]

Well done Stu on keeping everything up to date as it was nice to be able see how the league was doing as a whole.

Will buy you a pint if I happen to meet you in Cardiff on Saturday