Cork AUL 2009/10

[olachico]

Well Done to the AUL team. A great result in all fairness

Was looking at the Bohs lads giving out bout Barry Buckley on this and saying he had it in for them. As far as I know Barry use to play with Bohs, anytime I spoke to him he has told me he played with them. Correct me if im wrong.

1 more thing, I was at Ballyvolane's youth semi final wed night, the result didnt go there way but I have to say the club were fantastic. Every single one of ther 1st team were at the game and a good representation from ther 2nd team. I dont think I have ever seen a snr side support there younger teams the way they did that night. Fair play to ye lads.

Blackstone were well represented too ;-)

[the owl]

Lads, what games are on tomoro ?. have a free weekend and wouldnt mind watchin one. Cant find the fixture list anywhere.

[olachico]

here you go the owl http://www.isrscork.com/murphys_stout_cork_aul_fixtures.htm

[the owl]

Good man Ola, cheers.

[marty]

Cant say much on this one tbh,they showed up late with the bare 11 but tried to make a game of it anyway,result will hopefully give us a boost headin into the Bohs and Dillons Cross games next week,looking a bit safer after this result hopefully we can salvage a mid table position by the wks end!!

[littleman]

Mario I watched yer game yesterday Id say tis a bit of an undersstatement to say ye dissapointed with the result.Ye did very well to go ahead an although the equaliser was a super strike giving the lad all that time an space was askin for trouble.Still ye should have won it well but ye missed a hatfull of chances.How dose it leave ye fixed now with yer remaing games,,,,,,,

Silverheights seems to have some new tennants.A rugby team has started playin up their now,they lost heavily this mornin in the first game on it.What was fantastic to watch though was that even with the heavy physcial battering the dish out,theres no complain an the respect shown towards the ref is a sight to behold,even at that junior level.They could teach a lot of us a thing or 2 about respecting the ref.

[Onefootednopace]

A.U.L. 2A result.

Coachford (B) 1 Killowen 2.

A much needed win for us as we were sliding towards the bottom of the table rapidly in the past few weeks. Coachford seemed to be caught for numbers as they started the game with 10 men until reinforcements arrived later on. We had the better of the opening 30-35 minutes, had a header against the bar and another cleared off the line before taking the lead after 15 minutes. We continued to press for a 2nd goal but in fairness to Coachford they always battle and made life very hard for us. However, we were up to our old tricks as we left in a soft equaliser before the break- 3 failed attempts to clear from our own area and were punished. We started well enough in the 2nd half but then Coachford took over in midfield and pinned us in our own half for 20-25 minutes. But our keeper didn't have a save to make in the whole game apart from dealing with a few crosses into the box. We finally got going again and got the winner with 15 to go. Should have added a couple more after that but missed a one on one with the keeper and also struck the woodwork again. Whatever about the performance, a win is a win and the 3 points was our target.
Word of thanks to Coachford for moving the game from Carrigadroichead to their main pitch in Coachford and also for the lovely sandwiches in the pub afterwards!!

Congrats to the Cork A.U.L. management and players on their great win up in Tipp on Friday night.

[littleman]

Grattan V KInsale next Saturday @ 2:30,,,,,,,i tried to download the other fixtures boys but i had no joys,the blackberry is slow on sundays,,,,,,,,,,,

[Radiostar]

Cant say much on this one tbh,they showed up late with the bare 11 but tried to make a game of it anyway,result will hopefully give us a boost headin into the Bohs and Dillons Cross games next week,looking a bit safer after this result hopefully we can salvage a mid table position by the wks end!!

That was a big win Marty, we have ye next sunday down there, Are ye playing twice in midweek this week?

[junglegym]

A.U.L. 2A result.

Coachford (B) 1 Killowen 2.



Fair Assesment One foot, Saw the 2nd half of this match and honestly if you were playing it would have been hard to pick you out. There was a lot of guys on that field today with only one leg and no pace. ;) ,
Apologies for the delay at the start, There was a mystery bus outing yesterday to blame for that.
1 all at half time and ye deserved ye're 3pts as our guys never theatened your keeper in the 2nd half and only for a couple of top class saves by our custodian ye could have won it by more.

As I always say there is a fine spread put on in O'Callaghan's Bar after every Coachford home game, More teams should avail of it. Cheers for that Onefoot, Hope ye enjoyed your day after the couple of scoops:)

[bluey]

no prob will sort those out for you and lads!!!! i suppose we will see ye tue night?? massive game next sat grattan-kinsale, draw would be lovely!!

leeside c 2-0 dunbar b in corinthians cup
into quarter of this cup now and semi of county cup going further than our 2nd team. 13 wins in 14 since the start of year. on some role and fantastic achievement for a third team in the club. really helps when getting big turn outs every week and all the youth that we have in the club. going to have a go off team of month for last month, 6 wins out of 6 and three where against higher opposition in cup games so think we will be there abouts for it, anyone else with a good record for the month of march?

[Onefootednopace]

Fair Assesment One foot, Saw the 2nd half of this match and honestly if you were playing it would have been hard to pick you out. There was a lot of guys on that field today with only one leg and no pace. ;) ,
Apologies for the delay at the start, There was a mystery bus outing yesterday to blame for that.
1 all at half time and ye deserved ye're 3pts as our guys never theatened your keeper in the 2nd half and only for a couple of top class saves by our custodian ye could have won it by more.

As I always say there is a fine spread put on in O'Callaghan's Bar after every Coachford home game, More teams should avail of it. Cheers for that Onefoot, Hope ye enjoyed your day after the couple of scoops:)

Thank's junglegym, we were glad of the refreshments & sandwiches in O' Callaghans afterwards as the heat was a killer. No I wasn't playing, I retired a few years back but I'm still involved in the club. We needed that win badly so thank god for that Coachford mystery tour on Saturday !!!

[Legohead]

Silverheights seems to have some new tennants.A rugby team has started playin up their now,they lost heavily this mornin in the first game on it.What was fantastic to watch though was that even with the heavy physcial battering the dish out,theres no complain an the respect shown towards the ref is a sight to behold,even at that junior level.They could teach a lot of us a thing or 2 about respecting the ref.

That’s Cork transport little man. They’re ran by a good bunch of local fella's. Your dead right about the attitude towards the refs.
I remember having many conversations with blabbs and dinny long about the village moving down to that end of the field, I can never see why they didn't as it’s the only flat part of the field.
Well it's been utilized by a different code now but I’m happy that there is more sporting options for the youth in the locality

[super_mario]

It works both ways tho lads where the rugby refs are concerned, yes the players respect every decision and never talk back but the respect from the refs towards the players is a lot better aswell, the likes of a few refs in the AUL and there attitude to players is a disgrace,

[Innishvilla]

It works both ways tho lads where the rugby refs are concerned, yes the players respect every decision and never talk back but the respect from the refs towards the players is a lot better aswell, the likes of a few refs in the AUL and there attitude to players is a disgrace,

I think though that rugby has a clearer "method" for discussion. A referee in rugby is encouraged to speak/explain his decision to both captains and both captains within reason are allowed to query decisions. But also if another player other than the two captains pushed the chat a bit there is a clear punishment - a penalty in rugby can simply cost 3 points or see a team having to troop back 50 yards. I can tell you a guy feels the stares from his pack of forwards when they have to run back after a penalty for chat back...

I don't think soccer referee's are given the instruction to explain certain decisions but I've always found the guys who will talk/explain tend to get on better with both sides and tend to manage/control a game better. Again though I've helped out on a few occasions refereeing a few underage friendlies and some junior kick-abouts. It was the toughest job I've ever tried... and it is unreal the amount of shouting and screaming goes on directed at the ref, I hadn't realised until I was the ref!!! I'll be honest it helped me change the way I spoke to referee's - tried to speak more than shout/scream - but maybe it was me just getting older and wiser.

[conas_atu_ta?]

hi all,
i have been keepin up to speed on the forum for last few months but not a regular poster as i am prone to the text language and my posts never show...... great weekend end to have for all the league and any cup matches....

anyone got an idea of a sport for the summer to keep the fitness up as opposed to making a reemergence in GAA

[conas_atu_ta?]

aswell i meant to ask in my other post, any idea of dates for schedule in turners cross for remaining cup finals?

[Innishvilla]

hi all,
i have been keepin up to speed on the forum for last few months but not a regular poster as i am prone to the text language and my posts never show...... great weekend end to have for all the league and any cup matches....

anyone got an idea of a sport for the summer to keep the fitness up as opposed to making a reemergence in GAA

Good question - one off the top of my head would be Tag-rugby; it is quite popular and I can tell you it probably involves more flat out sprinting than most games... Also is a short season so you wouldn't be committing for too long...


Another good win for Innishvilla at the weekend after a close fought win over Blackpool won 2:1 first league goal conceded since January - that is 12 league wins on the trot, 13 wins and 1 draw in last 14 league games and still looks likely we won't get promotion - need someone else to take points off Glenvale... Fingers crossed that Hibs can help us out this weekend.

Also Ballyvolane Youths and Innishvilla youths look like it could go down to the wire. Ballyvolane with one game left (away to Innishvilla) are 12 point clear of us we have 4 games in hand so I guess the league will try and wait and see if Innishvilla win their games in hand to leave it all down to a head to head decider for the title - I hope it goes down to this as they have both been outstanding this season. Ballyvolane as said earlier getting to the Cup semi final only to meet the all conquering Cork City side and Innishvilla getting to the out of tiwn section in both the Munster and FAI youth cups...

[MainManRam]

3-1 at Castle at the weekend. Good game. Castle played much better than the week before in front of a Waterloo fan club. All the goals in the second half. Last away game Thurs then 6 home games.

On the rugby v football scenario- rugby is leaving football behind in all aspects of the game and you know the one big difference between the people who run rugby and the people who run football- you never see any of the rugby leaders blabbing in the press about anything they just get on with making the game better.

[littleman]

Mario as I said I watched most of yer game Saturday an I though the ref handled it very well.He spoke to players rather than booking them.An he did warn players to concentrate on the football rather than being caught up with some of the hand bags that was goin on.It wasnt a dirthy game but I suppose with the pressure on for the last 10 for ye to try to win, then the games manship goes missing(along with the matchball;)) I can understand things gettin a bit hot.But theirs none of us angels an it aint all the refs fault .He actually did ye a lot of favours Saturday.

[scaffa7]

Mario as I said I watched most of yer game Saturday an I though the ref handled it very well.He spoke to players rather than booking them.An he did warn players to concentrate on the football rather than being caught up with some of the hand bags that was goin on.It wasnt a dirthy game but I suppose with the pressure on for the last 10 for ye to try to win, then the games manship goes missing(along with the matchball;)) I can understand things gettin a bit hot.But theirs none of us angels an it aint all the refs fault .He actually did ye a lot of favours Saturday.

Littleman to be fair the ref had a great, he actually is a good ref but we (well i) never had many complaints against refs but i can tell you if you saw the ref last Thursday night i dont think you would have looked at this person in the same light again.Now i for one will applaude a ref when he does well look back at my posts and you will see that and 90% are good refs but i hope to god we never get that ref again and i hope the AUL act in our favour the players and give us a bit of justice ............

[Parkboy]

no prob will sort those out for you and lads!!!! i suppose we will see ye tue night?? massive game next sat grattan-kinsale, draw would be lovely!!

leeside c 2-0 dunbar b in corinthians cup
into quarter of this cup now and semi of county cup going further than our 2nd team. 13 wins in 14 since the start of year. on some role and fantastic achievement for a third team in the club. really helps when getting big turn outs every week and all the youth that we have in the club. going to have a go off team of month for last month, 6 wins out of 6 and three where against higher opposition in cup games so think we will be there abouts for it, anyone else with a good record for the month of march?
Well Bluey we beat Millstreet yesterday to set up a mouthwatering semi final against ye.Looking at ye're recent results ye're having a great season and doing well in the cups also.May the best team win!

[littleman]

Scaffa I not surprised at all by what went on..................

[the ghost]

Really would love to know if the AUL manager or selectors have seen a single Bohs game all season, for a team who are odds on to win the league and get up Premier A, got to semi-final of 1 cup and quarter final of another surely its plainly obvious we have some talented players in our team,

Our right back Willy O Shea is just class ( hasnt played ball for 3-4 years but flying with us), Spud on the right is a great player (littleman tried to sign him at start of season and tried hard to) Niall Collins in the centre another excellent player on the ball, Judge our left back in my opinion is the best left back around good on the ball likes to get the ball down and play football and a very intelligent player who organise's the defense well, John Cronin up front scores every other game and you'd know he is out with a knee injury the last few weeks cos our goals seem to have dried up without him, plus he has been doing it with Bohs for years, and David Cronin on goal and i stand by this comment is the best keeper in the AUL definately in the top 3 easy, already teams trying to sign him for next year and not just AUL there is also MSL teams enquiring about him i have been told.. David Lynch aswell at centre half is 10 time3s the player Bevan is and thats a fact, now im not knocking bevan cos he is a very good player in fairness to the lad but its just annoying the way we are overlooked...

So for an AUL manager or selector or talent scout to not have a look at these players is a bit of an insult to say the least, as the Best team outside the premier leagues and better than some in them leagues surely thats a bit of a joke...

Suppose the only positive from it is we dont have to worry about players getting injured as our squad is being stretched to the limits already with injuries and the AUL thinking we are robots and can play 7 games in 11 days, and prob will have another 7 games in the following 11 days. A JOKE

Mario if i was you id be happy not to have anyone on the panel at this stage of the league, now dont get me wrong if you think there good enough youd like to see ur players get rewarded with a call up but just bite the bullet for now and grind out ur remaining fixtures,win the league and get in to Premier A football and it will be clear to see if these players are good enough and theyll soon be on the radar!!

[littleman]

Fair points Ghost,I must have missed that post when it came up first time round.Other wise I would have explained a few things the right way instead of the Bohs way.Comment about Spud an me wantin to sign him an I tryed really hard is funny,an I have no problem explaining.An the best team outside the Prem/A.Id say Springfield,may be Kilumney or Glenvale at full strenght.

[super_mario]

Fair points Ghost,I must have missed that post when it came up first time round.Other wise I would have explained a few things the right way instead of the Bohs way.Comment about Spud an me wantin to sign him an I tryed really hard is funny,an I have no problem explaining.An the best team outside the Prem/A.Id say Springfield,may be Kilumney or Glenvale at full strenght.

is it funny cos its true or what littleman?? And we beat glenvale when we werent at full strength remember???



I never said the players mentioned shud walk onto any team did i???


The point of my post was a wonderment of has the selection team seen any of our games this year??



Littleman you blow your hole about how good Figo is every opportunity you get so whats the difference me doing it with my team???????????????

[littleman]

Mario,how about I say nothin anymore about Figo.Why dont you ask anyone else what they think of him,an if they dont agree with what you think tell them your fed up of them blowin their holes as well.

You voiced your opinion on what ya know about your players is fine with me,I guess every club could argue to have one or more players on the squad..But with regards to Spud an me trying very hard to sign him well thats just not the way it went.So do me a favour an if your going to mention my name at least leave it be the correct story of what actually happened.

An lastly Mario ye did beat Glenvale,but Mayfield and Dillons beat ye in games I watched so dose that make them better than ye.I based my comment on football knowledge an experience an what Iv seen of the teams I mentioned encluding ye.It wasnt a snide comment,an id say the same to anyone.

We'v lost to Springfield an Kilumney this season an Im big enough to admit we lost to a better team,on the day.

[the ghost]

An the best team outside the Prem/A.Id say Springfield,may be Kilumney or Glenvale at full strenght.[/QUOTE]

ya littleman i could agree with you there, altough i havent seen Kilumney i work with a lad playing and he said there very strong this year, you would know from ealier in the season?? Glenvale have some excellent players good to see them back winning!! and ive seen douglas hall a few months ago excellent footballing team and a few weeks later they hammered blackstone and are in the AOH semis Innisvilla, Springfield who i heard gave an excellent account of themselves against Pike.

i was onto the fixture sec earlier trying to organise a midweek fixture, FIGO VS BOHS XI
to sort this out once and for all!!!:o

Big game over the weekend littleman could the title direction swing once more?? bet leeside would love a draw!!

[littleman]

Murphy's Irish Stout Premier League
.
Pld W D L GF GA Pts
.
Grattan Utd 15 12 1 2 30 10 37 (we have to play Kinsale an Leeside in our place an Park away)
.
Kinsale 15 11 2 2 37 14 35 (kinsale have Wilton at home,an Grattan an Leeside away)
.
Wilton Utd 11 6 1 4 26 16 19 (they are art home to Leeside an away to Kinsale,the rest????)
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Leeside 8 5 3 0 22 6 18 (Park/Coachford/Glenthorn H/A.Wilton an Village away plus us an Kinsale)
.
Blarney St Ath 14 5 1 8 19 29 16
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Coachford 15 4 2 9 17 27 14
.
Glenthorn Cel 12 4 2 6 11 26 14
.
Knockavilla Cel 14 3 3 8 17 31 12
.
Park Utd 11 3 2 6 20 19 11
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Village Utd 15 2 3 10 16 37 9


I suppose speaking honestly the teams that beat us this year took their chances against us in a ruthless fashion where as we wernt so ruthless........but considering the position we are in we cant complain.

[super_mario]

Taking me up wrong again littleman, im not saying John is a bad player, and i never said he was a bad player, i know what a great player he actually is i dont need to ask anyone, if he was on my team id be shouting about how good the lad is aswell..

[Legohead]

hi all,
i have been keepin up to speed on the forum for last few months but not a regular poster as i am prone to the text language and my posts never show...... great weekend end to have for all the league and any cup matches....

anyone got an idea of a sport for the summer to keep the fitness up as opposed to making a reemergence in GAA

Conas..
If you could avail of the the cycle to work schem you could get a top class racing bike or hybrid for about 850 euro gross which will cost about 400 net.
If your company does this they will pay for it and deduct it from your pay over a number of months. i.e. 10 months = 40 per month not bank breaking i'd imagine.

Hop on your new bike for 1 - 1 1/2 hrs and before you know it you'll have 20-30 km done.
excellent exercise with no commitment,:cool:

[Horse24]

and ive seen douglas hall a few months ago excellent footballing team and a few weeks later they hammered blackstone and are in the AOH semis

Ghost........Blackstone were beaten not hammered - just to clarify!!!!

[olachico]

and ive seen douglas hall a few months ago excellent footballing team and a few weeks later they hammered blackstone and are in the AOH semis

Ghost........Blackstone were beaten not hammered - just to clarify!!!!

As you will see Horse i deleted a post earlier!! I just couldnt be bothered !! If the ghost read the match report by Barry Peelo he would have had a good reflection on what actually happened in the game!!

[shetland]

macroom take a huge step to premier A title.went to watch this game,macroom raced into a 3 nill lead and eventually won 4 to 3 at home to leeds.

[scaffa7]

Passage 0-1 Bohs.....Just back from one tough game down in Passage probably one of the toughest we played all season.
Took the lead half way through the 2 nd half and after that held on for dear lives as Passage bombarded us with everything they had fair play to them to be honest but our defense held strong and defended like warriors
3 points behind donoughmore now and 4 games in hand.Another battle expected Thursday when the boys from Rylane come up to play us in the Fairfield.........

[the owl]

Big week for teams in Prem A. Results this week could go a long way to deciding a few places in the league. Big win for Macroom against Leeds. Sonded ike a great game. Leeds Pk/Guvnor, what was your take on it ??
Big game for both ourselves and Greenwood this week. 3 points is a must.
Who do ye have Horse/Ola ?

[olachico]

we are away to Greenwood on Sunday the owl - after that we have 1 left away to Macroom

[scaffa7]

Premier League: Glenthorn Cel 1 Leeside 3; Wilton Utd 2 Knockavilla 3;
Blarney St Ath 0 Park Utd 0.
Premier A: Macroom 4 Leeds 3.
League 1: Carrigtohill Utd 1 Postal Cel 0; Douglas Hall 2 Shandon Cel 2;
Killumney Utd 3 Kilreen Cel 1; Richmond 1 UCC 1; St John Boscos 1 Dunbar Cel 2;
Watergrasshill Utd 1 Leeside 4.
League 1A: Fairview 3 Dillon’s Cross Ath 4; Passage 0 Bohemians 1; Rylane Cel 1 Buttevant 2.
League 2: Casement Cel 2 Wilton Utd 1.
League 2A: Crescent Ath 0 Millstreet Cel 4.
League 2B: Springfield “B” 2 Carrigaline Utd 1.
League 3: Dunbar Cel 1 Leeside 1; Parkview Cel 2 Afton Villa 2; UCC 2 Hibernians 2.

[bluey]

ah ah!!!! dont get your hopes up littleman or where you up at it cause i was missing myself tonight, thats a mistake in leeside result. Was Leeside 3-1 glenthorn. maybe next week, you never know!!!!!

[scaffa7]

My apoligises lads got that from the billy lyons site .......sorry littleman oppsy:o
Mistake rectified!!
It said 3-1 to Glenthorn

[bluey]

no need to apologise scaffa i say there was at least 1 grat there 2night:p ment to say to ya littleman you said you where closer to paradise than o'neill park you ever think about making the move down :cool::cool:

[littleman]

We actually trained tonite Bluey,big game the weekend;)

We had 2 missing who were carrying slight knocks but they were excused.

Paradise is where ever your heart is happiest an Im a Gratt an theres nothin better ,an always will be.So sorry Bluey and anyway ye have enough of blowins involved with ye an the last thing ye need is a Norrie trying to teach ye how to play the beautiful game:p

Great win for Bohs,especially of the excellent Passage win over the weekend.
Knockavilla had a smashin win.
Macroom look to have it nearly seasled.
Another good win for Dillons.

[marty]

Bohs deserved their win tonight simply because they know how to score and how to win,this defeat will drag us back closer to relegation so we really must get our act together.I thought we could have had a draw but their keeper is top class and doesn"t make mistakes too often-we seem to play better against the football teams but the mullachers just bully us as seen in Rylane/Buttevant,oh well

[bluey]

just as i posted i thought that all right that ye prob where training!!! wilton not on best run so i say your feeling confident for weekend.?? littleman paradise is little island you surely know that by now with all your years experience. no blowins here where all one big happy family.. your dead right we dont want ya... haha

[scaffa7]

Marty i would nt feel too downbeat about the result tonight yer a good team and are still good enough to stay up, i think yer to good of a team to go down to be honest wit ya.......
Unlucky tonight not come away wit a point ye wer and as you said our keeper was on the ball tonight and looking at the league tables yer not in that bad of a position
If ye keep that team that ye had tonight playing the rest of yer matches ye"ll have no bother staying up

[littleman]

"wilton not on best run so i say your feeling confident for weekend.?? "

Feck me I thought we were playing Kinsale Bluey,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Paradise must be clouding your head.:p

As long as your all happy down there Blue thats all that counts.Keep the good work up.

Like I said the last thing ye want is someone who may try to teach ye how to play ball.;)It may not suit ye.

[bluey]

oh jesus thats right littleman, its all the chemicals down here thats what it is!!! oh where always happy down here.
ball is being played down here all right littleman...... if it wasn we wouldn be in semi of AOH and reached later stages of both FAI and munster junior cup and not to forget 3rd in league at present with 6 games in hand scoring 25 and conceding 6 in 9 games so if thats not playing ball what is LITTLEMAN

[littleman]

Bluey I hope ye end up with something for all yer hard work.

[Radiostar]

Marty i would nt feel too downbeat about the result tonight yer a good team and are still good enough to stay up, i think yer to good of a team to go down to be honest wit ya.......
Unlucky tonight not come away wit a point ye wer and as you said our keeper was on the ball tonight and looking at the league tables yer not in that bad of a position
If ye keep that team that ye had tonight playing the rest of yer matches ye"ll have no bother staying up

I watched a bit of this game last night and thought Passage were the better team from what I saw, Passage let in a soft goal but it was well worked from Bohs. The way this league is going I think anyone from 5th down can still be relegated nobody is safe not even Passage.

[LeedsPk]

[QUOTE=the owl;1346513]Big week for teams in Prem A. Results this week could go a long way to deciding a few places in the league. Big win for Macroom against Leeds. Sonded ike a great game. Leeds Pk/Guvnor, what was your take on it ??

it was a disaster from our point of view Owl. Got there for 6.15 missing a few cause they couldnt get off work early. 6.15 was the best we could do with the traffic. Kick off at 6.30. Macroom got a full warm up done and were well up for it. We just practically walked onto the pitch and the whistle blew and cause of this we were 3 down after bout 20mins. Only then we started to get into it but too late at that stage, we got it back to 4-3 and i thought we were the better team once we got going. We are playing Pearse Saturday, wouldnt it have been common sense just to have that game on a Tuesday night and us travelling to Macroom on the Saturday. It was such a big game for the league, prob not so much for us but yerselves and Kanturk that I think it should have been on the weekend cause travelling to Macroom for a 6.30 kick off is going to catch most teams. Its a big disadvantage