Cork AUL 2009/10

[el nino coro]

Personally I think the panel should be picked from the premier and premier a divisions, I know that you will always have a number of players who may be worth a chance outside of that, but to be fair to the management how will they find the time to see them all. And I think anyone playing in the premier divisions are playing against better opposition each week which should keep them sharper than somebody down a few divisions.

If thats the case it shoud be picked from premier alone

[olachico]

Personally I think the panel should be picked from the premier and premier a divisions, I know that you will always have a number of players who may be worth a chance outside of that, but to be fair to the management how will they find the time to see them all. And I think anyone playing in the premier divisions are playing against better opposition each week which should keep them sharper than somebody down a few divisions.

I think the best players available should be selected regardless of what division they are playing in - Alan Greaney for example is a good case in point - he hasnt suddenly turned intot a bad player because he has gone playing first division

Would also have thought the Wilton keeper would definitely be worth considering as Minty is gone or is his previous problem still being held against him?

[Radiostar]

If thats the case it shoud be picked from premier alone

Maybe but its just an opinion!

[Radiostar]

I think the best players available should be selected regardless of what division they are playing in - Alan Greaney for example is a good case in point - he hasnt suddenly turned intot a bad player because he has gone playing first division

Would also have thought the Wilton keeper would definitely be worth considering as Minty or is his previous problem still being held against him?

I agreed that there are some guys outside the prem divs but maybe sometimes these fellas look better against the standard of opposition they are facing each week!

[olachico]

I agreed that there are some guys outside the prem divs but maybe sometimes these fellas look better against the standard of opposition they are facing each week!

Yeah fair point but surely its worth having a look at them

[bluey]

on ball bella, gettings is better than majority of forwards on panel. another who really didn see eyeto eye with minty. wilton keeper is by far best keeper in the whole of aul, suprised not snapped up by msl side. hopefully for aul sake previous problem is not still on going, nt sure what problem was or is there. another player from leeside who should be on panel, Barry (pookie) Goggin ex youghal left back, is tyner from kinsale left back, if is dont know how he would be ahead of pookie!

[littleman]

Fair points all bein put across by all lads.A few questions being asked an I have some answers but not all.

The keeper for Wilton is good,very good but there are top class keepers in our league who also didnt get picked.Personally I think the lad fro Dillons who had a trail game witht the Aul panel was worth a call.Also Dermot from Ballyvolane and last seasons Kanturk keeper.

If Bevan is deemed not as good as any of the Kinsale back line with the exception of Bradfield an Jermey at either fullback or center half then I have real reservations about the knowledge this coaching team has about the players in its league.Bevan was picked last year to supply cover at either center half or full back an from what I have seen last season an this it was a good solid choice.To not even receive a call back if thats the case is a total an utter joke.Totally disrespectful.

Lofty our keeper was recomended to the new manager by the old manager as the best replacement because Paddy wasnt available but the man made his own call.Unfortunatley the Wilton keeper had a run in with the last manager an wether its right or wrong those things follow ya around.Greaney could have been an option up front but it may have been the case , though as good as he is he had a tendency to react the wrong way if the refs didnt blow an in these one off games ya need your best players on the pitvh for 90 mins.

Figo is injured an Harry Goulding was called to the 2 sessions but seemingly has been deemed not as good as what was picked,which from the whole selection is the worst omission of the lot in my view.With such a short time before the game all you can do is look to league form and the Gratts backline of Shinkwin.Harry an Brian Sull are the best 3 center halfs available to him.Especially if 3/5/2 is whats been spoken about.But again hes made his own decision.

Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.

We suffered last season against the Kerry team because they passed the ball around an through us at times in midfield an lookin at our midfield now it dosent look like a midfield that will chase an win the ball or even be capeble of gettin physcial and tryin to dominate.If im bein maybe to harsh Ill apoligise but Im only sayin it as I see it.

I suppose we will all have a say an we will all think we are right,the Ballyvolane lads have a gripe too an well justified.They beat Park,Grattan an Kinsale,won the Mossie yet nothin.So much for doin well.The sweeper from Kanturk was superb in the Keane tournement the Aul played preseason,not selected either.The Polish lad up front for Park is the best Iv seen this season,an the Park center half was someone who id sign in a flash an considering how strong we are this year at center half thats sayin somtin.Hallesey is the best left sided midfielder in the league,goin forward or attacking an his delivery is second to none,of the players we were asked for everybody thought he would be a certain first 11,an especially so as delivery from corners an set peices could be vital..But thems the joys hope the man and the people who are helping him know what they are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,

[DCross06]

Fair points all bein put across by all lads.A few questions being asked an I have some answers but not all.

The keeper for Wilton is good,very good but there are top class keepers in our league who also didnt get picked.Personally I think the lad fro Dillons who had a trail game witht the Aul panel was worth a call.Also Dermot from Ballyvolane and last seasons Kanturk keeper.

If Bevan is deemed not as good as any of the Kinsale back line with the exception of Bradfield an Jermey at either fullback or center half then I have real reservations about the knowledge this coaching team has about the players in its league.Bevan was picked last year to supply cover at either center half or full back an from what I have seen last season an this it was a good solid choice.To not even receive a call back if thats the case is a total an utter joke.Totally disrespectful.

Lofty our keeper was recomended to the new manager by the old manager as the best replacement because Paddy wasnt available but the man made his own call.Unfortunatley the Wilton keeper had a run in with the last manager an wether its right or wrong those things follow ya around.Greaney could have been an option up front but it may have been the case , though as good as he is he had a tendency to react the wrong way if the refs didnt blow an in these one off games ya need your best players on the pitvh for 90 mins.

Figo is injured an Harry Goulding was called to the 2 sessions but seemingly has been deemed not as good as what was picked,which from the whole selection is the worst omission of the lot in my view.With such a short time before the game all you can do is look to league form and the Gratts backline of Shinkwin.Harry an Brian Sull are the best 3 center halfs available to him.Especially if 3/5/2 is whats been spoken about.But again hes made his own decision.

Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.

We suffered last season against the Kerry team because they passed the ball around an through us at times in midfield an lookin at our midfield now it dosent look like a midfield that will chase an win the ball or even be capeble of gettin physcial and tryin to dominate.If im bein maybe to harsh Ill apoligise but Im only sayin it as I see it.

I suppose we will all have a say an we will all think we are right,the Ballyvolane lads have a gripe too an well justified.They beat Park,Grattan an Kinsale,won the Mossie yet nothin.So much for doin well.The sweeper from Kanturk was superb in the Keane tournement the Aul played preseason,not selected either.The Polish lad up front for Park is the best Iv seen this season,an the Park center half was someone who id sign in a flash an considering how strong we are this year at center half thats sayin somtin.Hallesey is the best left sided midfielder in the league,goin forward or attacking an his delivery is second to none,of the players we were asked for everybody thought he would be a certain first 11,an especially so as delivery from corners an set peices could be vital..But thems the joys hope the man and the people who are helping him know what they are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,
I'd agree with you bout our keeper JJ Lynch, would definately be one of the best around, I think Ballyvolane players are suffering for their poor league form last year, they won the Mossie Linnane but were lucky not to get relegated in the league and I'm sure last year against Knockavilla there wouldnt have been too many of them stood out, and this would stay with the manager, they've brought in a lot of new players this year and as the season progresses and they keep up their good form they'll be knocking on the door, I dont know what the criteria to get on the panel, last year we had Greg Kelly playing either left back or on the wing, nobody we played against came close to him, this season he joined Mayfield Seniors and is after going straight into the first team and has stood out even in this level and he wasnt given a look by the Oscar Traynor Boss. The same can be said for Clive Kiely a player with MSL experience who can win games single handedly. Maybe its because were seen as a small club. On another note I'm glad to see John Dennehy getting a chance, a willing runner who can score a goal from nothing.

[shetland]

Fair points all bein put across by all lads.A few questions being asked an I have some answers but not all.

The keeper for Wilton is good,very good but there are top class keepers in our league who also didnt get picked.Personally I think the lad fro Dillons who had a trail game witht the Aul panel was worth a call.Also Dermot from Ballyvolane and last seasons Kanturk keeper.

If Bevan is deemed not as good as any of the Kinsale back line with the exception of Bradfield an Jermey at either fullback or center half then I have real reservations about the knowledge this coaching team has about the players in its league.Bevan was picked last year to supply cover at either center half or full back an from what I have seen last season an this it was a good solid choice.To not even receive a call back if thats the case is a total an utter joke.Totally disrespectful.

Lofty our keeper was recomended to the new manager by the old manager as the best replacement because Paddy wasnt available but the man made his own call.Unfortunatley the Wilton keeper had a run in with the last manager an wether its right or wrong those things follow ya around.Greaney could have been an option up front but it may have been the case , though as good as he is he had a tendency to react the wrong way if the refs didnt blow an in these one off games ya need your best players on the pitvh for 90 mins.

Figo is injured an Harry Goulding was called to the 2 sessions but seemingly has been deemed not as good as what was picked,which from the whole selection is the worst omission of the lot in my view.With such a short time before the game all you can do is look to league form and the Gratts backline of Shinkwin.Harry an Brian Sull are the best 3 center halfs available to him.Especially if 3/5/2 is whats been spoken about.But again hes made his own decision.

Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.

We suffered last season against the Kerry team because they passed the ball around an through us at times in midfield an lookin at our midfield now it dosent look like a midfield that will chase an win the ball or even be capeble of gettin physcial and tryin to dominate.If im bein maybe to harsh Ill apoligise but Im only sayin it as I see it.

I suppose we will all have a say an we will all think we are right,the Ballyvolane lads have a gripe too an well justified.They beat Park,Grattan an Kinsale,won the Mossie yet nothin.So much for doin well.The sweeper from Kanturk was superb in the Keane tournement the Aul played preseason,not selected either.The Polish lad up front for Park is the best Iv seen this season,an the Park center half was someone who id sign in a flash an considering how strong we are this year at center half thats sayin somtin.Hallesey is the best left sided midfielder in the league,goin forward or attacking an his delivery is second to none,of the players we were asked for everybody thought he would be a certain first 11,an especially so as delivery from corners an set peices could be vital..But thems the joys hope the man and the people who are helping him know what they are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,
kanturk keeper from last year now with ringmahon seniors.

[Doug89]

PROMOTION \ RELEGATION
The following are the Promotion\Relegation arrangements for the current season.

Premier: 2 relegated.
Premier A: 2 promoted and 2 relegated.
First Division: 1 promoted and 2 relegated from each section.
Second Division: 1 promoted and 1 relegated from each section.
Third Division: 2 promoted from each section.

[Southsider]

on ball bella, gettings is better than majority of forwards on panel. another who really didn see eyeto eye with minty. wilton keeper is by far best keeper in the whole of aul, suprised not snapped up by msl side. hopefully for aul sake previous problem is not still on going, nt sure what problem was or is there. another player from leeside who should be on panel, Barry (pookie) Goggin ex youghal left back, is tyner from kinsale left back, if is dont know how he would be ahead of pookie!
Ill 2nd that Bluey i could name 10 full backs better then that Tyner fella. He's no where good enough for that team !

[Horse24]

Leeside played 3 league games so far horse so this who i think have done well on day in those games.

Kinsale: Jeremy o donovan(think that name)
Leeside: Brian O Sullivan

Knockavilla: Rob Walsh
Leeside: Richard Gettings

Wilton: Keeper ( foreign lad, unreal how he is not on aul panel, best keeper in league )
Leeside: Coleman Cody

Bluey, can you stick positions on these to make life easier and I will update once a week.

[bluey]

Kinsale: Jeremy o donovan(think that name) (Centre Back)
Leeside: Brian O Sullivan (Centre Back)

Knockavilla: Rob Walsh (Striker)
Leeside: Richard Gettings (Striker)

Wilton: Keeper ( foreign lad, unreal how he is not on aul panel, best keeper in league )
Leeside: Coleman Cody (Centre Midfield)

[bluey]

Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.


Johnny Barrett ex midleton and maymount is lad up front u talking about littleman, fantastic player. would also be worth a shout for panel

[blue-and-red]

O'Mahony is a good player and just as good as John Sull from Castleview so he could easily have got a call,Cronin tho in my opinon would not be Oscar Traynor material neither is Hallissey. What about Alan Greaney he's a proven goalscorer in the Premier division ! is it because he dropped a few divisions to play with friends and as a fella would say out of sight out of mind :rolleyes: ????? Jason Forde is well capable of making that squad also, a few years back i know he played with the MSL Oscar Traynor team. Joe Ryan is a lad not many on here will know, he played with Ballyphehane and still only 23 he,s playing with our Juniors. A goalscoring right back not many of them arund !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Southsider,in fairness,Martin Cronin not Oscar Traynor Material??????
But 7 Kinsale players are!!!!! Stop now boy,i guarantee Cronin is as good if not better than whats being considered.His speed alone would put him in the frame not mind his skill and goalscoring.
I appreciate that you are just giving your opinion which is fair enough but its madness to say he's not oscar traynor material.

[littleman]

junglegym I nearly forgot ya.No great underhanded reason for the game being off Sunday.Leeside an Wilton only have one lad each on the Aul team an they have taken advantage of the free weekend that they are entitled to as a result of havin said players on the squad.A game down in your place is never easy an we'd just not take the chance that we would have to go there with anything less than a full strenght squad an we cant afford to take the chance of riskin points when we can avoid it.If it was the other way around Im sure you'd want your team to be as strong as possible playin us.Like you have said your only a result away from sortin yourselves out an if we were shorthanded because of any injurys picked up on Friday nite,I wouldnt want us to be the turnin point of your season.

[littleman]

Blue an red,we all agree ye could an should have had at the very least a few lads invited down to the trials but but not everybody may think your named players are deserving of a call because they kept Varian quite or even did the double over Grattan.If all was as good as it sounds then ye would have been challanging at the other end of the table,so there must be downside to said players games.If anything the Leeside lads have the axe to grind,they did all the damage before Derek returned,yet hes the only player selected.Park have been one of the top 4 sides for the last few years,again no one picked,Lucey from Coachford is better than your center half or the Castleview lad,but again didnt even get a look.I could go on all day about players who were over looked but it wouldnt change whos been picked.Best thing to do Blue an red is keep doin well like ye are an hope he sees ye are tryin hard to improve.Buy the way last season ye beat us twice an Shinks an Sully were made to look quite ordinary,but yet with the Oscar side they looked the best center halfs in the country,go figure.At least there back to normal this season with us.

[mkbucks]

PROMOTION \ RELEGATION
The following are the Promotion\Relegation arrangements for the current season.

Premier: 2 relegated.
Premier A: 2 promoted and 2 relegated.
First Division: 1 promoted and 2 relegated from each section.
Second Division: 1 promoted and 1 relegated from each section.
Third Division: 2 promoted from each section.

i dont agree with this set up.
its obvious they need to balance the leagues but think 2 should be promoted from 1st and 2nd divisons still.
You can relegate 3 teams still to make it all the more interesting

Just think if the league is decided by christmas players and management from other clubs might lose interest.
For example There was a great tussle between ourselves, Kilreen and Glenvale the last few games last season for the last promotion spot as grangevale had it all wrapped up.
None of this in Divisions 1,1A,2,2A and 2b this season.
What will Barry Peelo have to write about in the last few games!!

[olachico]

i dont agree with this set up.
its obvious they need to balance the leagues but think 2 should be promoted from 1st and 2nd divisons still.
You can relegate 3 teams still to make it all the more interesting

Just think if the league is decided by christmas players and management from other clubs might lose interest.
For example There was a great tussle between ourselves, Kilreen and Glenvale the last few games last season for the last promotion spot as grangevale had it all wrapped up.
None of this in Divisions 1,1A,2,2A and 2b this season.
What will Barry Peelo have to write about in the last few games!!

Lads for all the giving out about the AUL we have to take a little of the pain once in a while - the leagues at the moment are a disaster and something needs to be done right away - while i accept your point mkbucks that it might make things a bit uninteresting at the business end of the league it has to be done at some point

I would like the league stucture in the future to be the following.

Premier
/
Premier A
/ \
1 1A
/ \
2 2A
/ \
3 3A

though even this wouldnt be perfect - the problem is the bottle neck when 2 divisions condense into 1

[blue-and-red]

Blue an red,we all agree ye could an should have had at the very least a few lads invited down to the trials but but not everybody may think your named players are deserving of a call because they kept Varian quite or even did the double over Grattan.If all was as good as it sounds then ye would have been challanging at the other end of the table,so there must be downside to said players games.If anything the Leeside lads have the axe to grind,they did all the damage before Derek returned,yet hes the only player selected.Park have been one of the top 4 sides for the last few years,again no one picked,Lucey from Coachford is better than your center half or the Castleview lad,but again didnt even get a look.I could go on all day about players who were over looked but it wouldnt change whos been picked.Best thing to do Blue an red is keep doin well like ye are an hope he sees ye are tryin hard to improve.Buy the way last season ye beat us twice an Shinks an Sully were made to look quite ordinary,but yet with the Oscar side they looked the best center halfs in the country,go figure.At least there back to normal this season with us.

I take your point Littleman,but you're taking mine wrong.
I just said i disagreed with Southsider saying that Cronin was NOT Oscar Traynor material,nothing More.
I firmly believe he is Oscar Traynor material the same as the Park Boys,Leeside lads,and Lucey as you just described above.

i said nothing about Mark o Mahony keeping Varian quiet,thats not enough to be considered good enough.In my opinion mark needs another season at least to really find his feet.(Has the potential though)

And finally,i also never mentioned doing the double over Grattan as a reason for us to be considered more.Dont know where that came from.
We also did the double over a couple of other teams,beat Park and Wilton also.
With all due respect Littleman,beating Grattan twice,as delighted as we were,was not the highlight of our season or a reason to think we're world beaters.i played every minute of both games so i know what i'm talking about!!!

So,like i said my whole point is that Martin Cronin IS Oscar Traynor material in my book,never mentioned any other Ballyvolane man.

[shetland]

this team isnt half as good or talented as last seasons a.u.l. squad.watch this space.

[Parkboy]

Fair points all bein put across by all lads.A few questions being asked an I have some answers but not all.

The keeper for Wilton is good,very good but there are top class keepers in our league who also didnt get picked.Personally I think the lad fro Dillons who had a trail game witht the Aul panel was worth a call.Also Dermot from Ballyvolane and last seasons Kanturk keeper.

If Bevan is deemed not as good as any of the Kinsale back line with the exception of Bradfield an Jermey at either fullback or center half then I have real reservations about the knowledge this coaching team has about the players in its league.Bevan was picked last year to supply cover at either center half or full back an from what I have seen last season an this it was a good solid choice.To not even receive a call back if thats the case is a total an utter joke.Totally disrespectful.

Lofty our keeper was recomended to the new manager by the old manager as the best replacement because Paddy wasnt available but the man made his own call.Unfortunatley the Wilton keeper had a run in with the last manager an wether its right or wrong those things follow ya around.Greaney could have been an option up front but it may have been the case , though as good as he is he had a tendency to react the wrong way if the refs didnt blow an in these one off games ya need your best players on the pitvh for 90 mins.

Figo is injured an Harry Goulding was called to the 2 sessions but seemingly has been deemed not as good as what was picked,which from the whole selection is the worst omission of the lot in my view.With such a short time before the game all you can do is look to league form and the Gratts backline of Shinkwin.Harry an Brian Sull are the best 3 center halfs available to him.Especially if 3/5/2 is whats been spoken about.But again hes made his own decision.

Gettings looked back to form in the game I saw him play an for me he would at the very least have more experience to bring to such a big game.Of the other Leeside lads,maybe the lad from Midelton is worth a shout alright as a holding midfielder.Though I will say the small lad up front for Leeside would not be a bad replacement for Paul O'Mahony,goin on what I saw against Dromee he got 2 super goals.

We suffered last season against the Kerry team because they passed the ball around an through us at times in midfield an lookin at our midfield now it dosent look like a midfield that will chase an win the ball or even be capeble of gettin physcial and tryin to dominate.If im bein maybe to harsh Ill apoligise but Im only sayin it as I see it.

I suppose we will all have a say an we will all think we are right,the Ballyvolane lads have a gripe too an well justified.They beat Park,Grattan an Kinsale,won the Mossie yet nothin.So much for doin well.The sweeper from Kanturk was superb in the Keane tournement the Aul played preseason,not selected either.The Polish lad up front for Park is the best Iv seen this season,an the Park center half was someone who id sign in a flash an considering how strong we are this year at center half thats sayin somtin.Hallesey is the best left sided midfielder in the league,goin forward or attacking an his delivery is second to none,of the players we were asked for everybody thought he would be a certain first 11,an especially so as delivery from corners an set peices could be vital..But thems the joys hope the man and the people who are helping him know what they are doing,,,,,,,,,,,,
Ya littleman,our polish lad Swalvik is a fine player.Not sure how he would do in a team of players he doesnt know but still is just as good as any of the other lads.
Which Centre half was it? Eamon O Connor or Shane Cahill?

[littleman]

sorry blue an red,theres a few of ye Bally lads on so my apoligies if i crossed wires,an ur rite beaten us twice last season wasnt a big scalp as we wernt great,whos kidn who like

[littleman]

Time to make a call on the game tomorrow an I may as well get behind um,Kerry Aul 1 Cork Aul 2 (Cans and Walsh).

[mkbucks]

I would like the league stucture in the future to be the following.

Premier
/
Premier A
/ \
1 1A
/ \
2 2A
/ \
3 3A

though even this wouldnt be perfect - the problem is the bottle neck when 2 divisions condense into 1

I like this structure olachico...my only fear is we may have more drop-outs if theres nothing to play for and possibly more player transfers if their team is out of their respective leagues by christmas!

[bogwarrior]

Lots of talk about the AUL manager and who he should and should not have picked! Its great having all these different opinions though. Everyone fighting their own clubs corner. On the Keeper, i think the Wilton Keeper is a smashing player. But for me Brendan Hurley is top class. Great shot stopper and his distribution is pin point - definate starter.

Tyner isn't a left full back so ye can all calm down a small bit. He may have played there on occasion with Kinsale but he has mostly been used as a centre back and played very well. A polarising character, love him or hate him he's very good. Micky Brad is our left back and i think he will be for the aul tonight as well. Best left back by a country mile in the league. That's presuming it's 4-4-2.

Glad to see Derek McCarthy get the captains armband this year. Hopefully get off to a winning start tonight. I'm going to follow little man and say a 2-1 win for Cork. Scully and Delea.

Just getting back to some of the comments about certain fellas not being asked down and it being disrespectful! I think ye're all having a laugh. The manager has had two weeks and three training sessions to get a squad together. He's obviously going to lean on the knowledge he has already. All this tripe about being disrespectful and not looking at the lower leagues should be held off a while. He's had little time to get a squad together so lets just see how it pans out over the next month or so before we go mad. I personally feel that the AUL team should be made up of mostly premier players. While there maybe good players in the lower divisions, not doubting some of their ability and that they are up to the standard, premier players are playing higher quality opposition week in week out. Premier teams in the past have made it to the latter stages of national competitions, these are the players who are best equipped to play for the Cork Aul. The likes of Kinsale, Grattan etc should form the core of this squad. Fair enough leeside can feel hard done by with only one player but give it time.

These are only my opinions. Shoot them down, talk them up:ball::D

[olachico]

Lots of talk about the AUL manager and who he should and should not have picked! Its great having all these different opinions though. Everyone fighting their own clubs corner. On the Keeper, i think the Wilton Keeper is a smashing player. But for me Brendan Hurley is top class. Great shot stopper and his distribution is pin point - definate starter.

Tyner isn't a left full back so ye can all calm down a small bit. He may have played there on occasion with Kinsale but he has mostly been used as a centre back and played very well. A polarising character, love him or hate him he's very good. Micky Brad is our left back and i think he will be for the aul tonight as well. Best left back by a country mile in the league. That's presuming it's 4-4-2.

Glad to see Derek McCarthy get the captains armband this year. Hopefully get off to a winning start tonight. I'm going to follow little man and say a 2-1 win for Cork. Scully and Delea.

Just getting back to some of the comments about certain fellas not being asked down and it being disrespectful! I think ye're all having a laugh. The manager has had two weeks and three training sessions to get a squad together. He's obviously going to lean on the knowledge he has already. All this tripe about being disrespectful and not looking at the lower leagues should be held off a while. He's had little time to get a squad together so lets just see how it pans out over the next month or so before we go mad. I personally feel that the AUL team should be made up of mostly premier players. While there maybe good players in the lower divisions, not doubting some of their ability and that they are up to the standard, premier players are playing higher quality opposition week in week out. Premier teams in the past have made it to the latter stages of national competitions, these are the players who are best equipped to play for the Cork Aul. The likes of Kinsale, Grattan etc should form the core of this squad. Fair enough leeside can feel hard done by with only one player but give it time.

These are only my opinions. Shoot them down, talk them up:ball::D

Couldnt help laughing at this - Wilton won the league last year and have one player????

Ballyvolane won the mossie linnane and have no players on the panel

And Kinsale won the AOH (just about in an awful match) and have 7??

There is a first division goalkeeper on the panel ( a good one I might add) and 3 players playing premier A plus 2 knockavilla players who were playing outside the Premier last year so to say its not worth looking at other players is a myth

Now i dont think the manager is to blame as his appointment was late but for me it seems like someone has too much influence!!

And yes I do think it is disrespectful not to bring a fella who was in last years winning panel and who is now playing Premier A to a training session - or hey even a phonecall to say he wasnt being called up - but what do I know????

[shetland]

bog warrior what plannet are you on.hurley wouldnt hold the wilton keepers coat.hurley suspect to the high ball.wilton keeper a huge presence. tyner .4 games played this season .3 bookings and a sending off.and for that sending off he should have got a heafty suspension. o reagan the manager from bandon area,picks x bandon players ,kinsale players whom he trained in pre season, and knockavilla payers whom he managed. weheather tyner is a full back or a center back ,he is a liability.a o h final only player to be booed by crowd and his reaction was a disgrace.more interested in his hair style and blue boots.

[Radiostar]

bog warrior what plannet are you on.hurley wouldnt hold the wilton keepers coat.hurley suspect to the high ball.wilton keeper a huge presence. tyner .4 games played this season .3 bookings and a sending off.and for that sending off he should have got a heafty suspension. o reagan the manager from bandon area,picks x bandon players ,kinsale players whom he trained in pre season, and knockavilla payers whom he managed. weheather tyner is a full back or a center back ,he is a liability.a o h final only player to be booed by crowd and his reaction was a disgrace.more interested in his hair style and blue boots.

Wouldn't like to get on your wrong side shetland!!! Luckily I never had a fancy hairstyle!!!

[BigFella 09]

bog warrior what plannet are you on.hurley wouldnt hold the wilton keepers coat.hurley suspect to the high ball.wilton keeper a huge presence. tyner .4 games played this season .3 bookings and a sending off.and for that sending off he should have got a heafty suspension. o reagan the manager from bandon area,picks x bandon players ,kinsale players whom he trained in pre season, and knockavilla payers whom he managed. weheather tyner is a full back or a center back ,he is a liability.a o h final only player to be booed by crowd and his reaction was a disgrace.more interested in his hair style and blue boots.

Lads i watched wilton v kinsale in the last game of the season and the kinsale defence was run ragged by the wilton attackers an yet still they manage to nearly line out the backline for the aul squad,was someone watching a different game than me!!?,in regards to your man tyner i've never heard a fella to bitch so much on a field,in fairness to the wilton lads they just laughed at him which seemed to make him worse,to be honest id be suprised if he gets a run maybe they just have him there to wreck the kerry lads heads

I think every club should have the chance to send at least 4 players from most divisions to some sort of trial way before it kicks off and then at least it would give every lad a chance who thinks he's good enough and then tnere wont be anymore complaining of lads not getting a fair go,way to late now but could be something to look in the future!!

[BigFella 09]

i was at that game too bigfella couldnt get over how poor kinsale were and seemed slow at the back too. I dont know 9/10s of the cork squad so wont comment on individuals who are there but theres a few not there that id think would have strolled on

the two lads on the wing and the two up front left them for dead everytime,im just amazed that the same backline make up so much of the squad,even the lads they brought on couldn't handle them!!!there left back was the only lad who looked comfortable,he was well able to play ball.but obviously this has gone unreckonised by the current management through no fault of their own,after the team done so well last year you would think there would have been more interest in the aul setup earlier on to prepare but i suppose thats the AUL for ya,leave everything to the last minute and see what happens!!

[bogwarrior]

Laugh away! Read the post properly before letting the red mist set in and seeing what u like! I said the team should be made of premier players.. wilton are a premier team, just because i did not mention them isn't a reason to go daft!

Bally won the mossie and well done to them. It was already pointed out that their league form was poor and they were lucky not to be relegated... i'd pick premier players in successful teams ahead of them any day. Not saying that they aren't up to the standard, I just feel that premier players are playing at a higher level on a regular basis. The likes of WILTON, Leeside, Kinsale, Grattan and who ever else!

Ola - there are players from outside the premier league on it and well done. All i'm saying is that if i were manager... my squad would be made up of mostly premier league players, for the above reason, simple as that. This myth business doesn't make sense? It's an opinion!

Time constraints are probably a factor in the squad selection, but you're on about somebody having too much influence...he's the manager?! I said he'd probably rely on his prior knowledge...which he probably has?

In regard to shetland's personal attack, fair enough it's your opinion. You appear up to date on his start to the season. But his reaction in turners cross was meant in good fun, he took the boos with a pinch of salt and celebrated scoring in an aoh final! To say it was a disgrace is a blinkered and ridiculous assessment.

The Wilton game at the end of the season wasn't our best. Fair enough. We were down to 9 men and still could have won. Thems the breaks. I'm not defending the AUL managers selection - i'm trying to provide a reasoning for it. What I am defending is comments on Kinsale's performance and Kinsale players. As i already said, my selection would be different.

[Southsider]

Southsider,in fairness,Martin Cronin not Oscar Traynor Material??????
But 7 Kinsale players are!!!!! Stop now boy,i guarantee Cronin is as good if not better than whats being considered.His speed alone would put him in the frame not mind his skill and goalscoring.
I appreciate that you are just giving your opinion which is fair enough but its madness to say he's not oscar traynor material.
Its my opinon blue and red iv seen him a few times last season and the way i see him is that he's easily read and a full back with some pace should keep him quiet. pace alone is not enough for a player to get a look in the Oscar trainer panel. Everyone to their own i suppose.........

[littleman]

Well well well,I had a feeling that it was only a matter of time before the preverbal hit the fan.

Shetland though what you an Olachaio said may have some creedience to it, a small bit of thought before you bit might be worth it in the lon run.

Bog is from a club which has bascially been 1st,2nd or 3rd at junior level in this league for the last 8 or so years.Been out of Cork year on year in the Fai an Mjc an have by any standar 2 Aohs on the trot.(as do Leeside)

He is in the position to say Prem players are a safer bet when pickin Aul sides cause hes played in it long enough.Ballyvolane won the Mossie an have had a good start to the season,that dose mean their players are worth a look,but it dose not mean they deserve to be picked

.Wilton won the Prem last year with a mix of experience an youth,the experience has retired for the most part,an the youth has gone to Glasheen along with the ex youth managers from last season an thats why they have only one player on it an considering who isnt on it in that positin my personal opinion is their lucky to have one at that..

Kinsale an a organised Wilton side were the best part of the premier last season,the rest of us were poor.This season however is a total different ball game,Leeside iv seen an was well impressed,Kinsale as always will be strong,an ourselves seem to have got back to somewhat normality so for me Wilton though an excellent footballin side an well run will find it a totally different prospect this season.

Tyner,Tyner,Tyner,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cant mock his haircut cause mines the same,kind of but hes the Aul's Robbie Savage.I personally would have selected several other players but hes on it an thems the joys.Hes fit,hes physical,a bit mental but in a package it works,especially so for Kinsale.

I have played the last 6 years with our B squad, an the previous 12 with our 1st team,iv even played with the Oscar Traynor side on 2 occasions,mid 90,s as it happens as a 1st div player so i feel I have enough experience an seen enough of the junior game in Cork to make the following statement,based on experience.

As long as the Aul team is choosen on players only from the Premier,an only the Premier you will always have players who will want to get to the Premier to get onto it an especially Prem players who will want to prove they are the best in the league buy gettin on it.The players in the prem at the minute may not be the best in the Aul by some accounts,but they have the best attitudes when it comes to wanting to play at a higher standard,otherwise they wouldnt be in the Premier,would they,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would have any Prem player,in any position in ahead of anything else,simply because to stay in the Prem for so long they are doin it week in week out,hence wether we or even I agree with it,,,Tyner or the other players in question.

[olachico]

Howya Bog - if i were the manager I'd pick the best players that were available regardless of who they play for or what division - oh and I didnt go daft either by the way!!

As someone who has been involved in the lower divisions of the AUL I know there are players there who are MORE than capable of playing Premier but for whatever reason have decided not to - Maybe LOYALTY comes into it in some cases

You know LOYALTY where a player might want to stick at a club because he has played there all his life etc . Like you Littleman - werent you loyal to Grattan? Does that therefore mean you shouldnt have played on the AUL panel as a first division player???

Didnt Derek McCarthy go to Avondale and come back to Kinsale? He was playing at the highest level in Cork outside league of ireland and dropped back down to the AUL - Not because of a lack of ability but because Kinsale are HIS club - Doesnt make him any less of a player in my eyes

Those of ye who have been in the Premier a long while have a very blinkered outlook if you ask me!! But hey thats just my opinion - Dont go daft when ye are responding!!

[olachico]

And PS littleman i didnt have to think first - I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone else - I'm not asking people to agree with it!!

[Horse24]

Nothing to beat a good oul barney - if we were all complients to each other, then it would be boring. You all make your own points well, whether I agree with them or not.

On the AUL Panel - whatever we think, one thing we agree on, we want them to retain the trophy.

On our player in the AUL Panel last year, I dont know Mr O Regan so he may have been at one of our games, but I dont think so. If he was at the Macroom game, then he would have seen our centre half unbothered by the selected centre forward. We were undone by their wingers. That means he listened to someone else's opinion. Id love to know who!

On Mr Tyner, he played ok in the AOH cup final, and, to be fair, you must be an ok player to stay in the Kinsale team. Bog is right, he took the wind-up well in the penos, stuck it away, and played to the crowd. On the other hand, I do think his disciplinary record will go against him at Oscar Tarynor level. He should have been sent after half an hour against us last year, because the line had wound him up. When you are focused on the line or on getting revenge on the other player or whatever, you arent focused on the game. The higher the level, the less there is between the teams. Any opposition worth their salt will begin to wind him up from the beginning. I hope he can handle it.

On the Prem only discussion, I dont think it makes sense. Were we not discussing the fact that second division Casment looked like having an MSL side at the beginning of the season? Are they not worth a look as an example? Olly's comment on loyalty is important too. If you arent going pro, then you always have the choice of playing where you enjoy it most - with your mates. Doesnt the comment from Park also bring up the point of players new to our shores playing with the people they know? There are many good players down the leagues at least worth a look.
Your comment on playing the top teams week in week out - without insulting anybody, the top three seem a bit ahead of the rest, maybe then another level of three or four sides, and the bottom half of Prem is the same as top of Prem A. That means playing only 4 big league games a year, not week in week out.

On the league structure, I agree with Ollys set-up and I would change it just a little bit. 3 down from Prem A, with 2 first division winners going up, and the two runners up playing home and away for the third spot. 2 up 2 down everywhere else. You need 2 promotion spots, or two chances as I mentioned above, in each division. Last year I saw a first division where the leaders won their first five, another side won 1 and drew one of their first five. Gone from the league promotion race in early September even though they were only 5 points off second?

Just a reminder on our team of the season thing - judge it only on a single game at a time, one from your side and one from theirs, or two from each.

Post the result from Kerry as soon as ye have it please.

[littleman]

Kerry 2 Cork 1.

Bad result is one thing,inept management is quite another,,,,,,,,Reagan,Halloran an Quim have proved yourselves well an truly on a level far apart from anyone else.


Forgive me for being harsh but to play Macarthy up front an play,,,,,,,,,,,ShaneO'Neill (a winger at best) with him,,;,,,,,,,,,,,,to play Shinks at center half an play Sullivan from Castleview with him, ,,,,an drop from the team the captain of the winnin side last year Brian O'Sullivan,,,,,,,,an add to that one of the most highly regarded players in Cork,junior an senior Cans,also never even got a run,,,,,,,,,,,,,Littleman now is bitin his lip with all the power he has,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,did the Aul get confused with Brigini badges,boy scout badges,maybe even AA badges,,,,cause a Fifa badge,dose that explaon why you would not play some of the best players the Aul has produced in years instead of people who played well last Saturday:

What a complete an utter total joke,start to finish,well done the Aul Commitee for amkin us all look like muppets again.

[ballsac7]

Kerry 2 Cork 1.

Bad result is one thing,inept management is quite another,,,,,,,,Reagan,Halloran an Quim have proved yourselves well an truly on a level far apart from anyone else.


Forgive me for being harsh but to play Macarthy up front an play,,,,,,,,,,,ShaneO'Neill (a winger at best) with him,,;,,,,,,,,,,,,to play Shinks at center half an play Sullivan from Castleview with him, ,,,,an drop from the team the captain of the winnin side last year Brian O'Sullivan,,,,,,,,an add to that one of the most highly regarded players in Cork,junior an senior Cans,also never even got a run,,,,,,,,,,,,,Littleman now is bitin his lip with all the power he has,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,did the Aul get confused with Brigini badges,boy scout badges,maybe even AA badges,,,,cause a Fifa badge,dose that explaon why you would not play some of the best players the Aul has produced in years instead of people who played well last Saturday:

What a complete an utter total joke,start to finish,well done the Aul Commitee for amkin us all look like muppets again.

Its hard to blame O'Halloran here though, Cork City were playing away to Bray at the same time so I'd imagine he had little or nothing to do with selecting the team - I saw O'Regan in action last year with Knockavilla and I know he has the qualifications but he still comes across as a bit of a bluffer. I dont know did he ever play to a high standard himself, I sometimes think you can have all the qualifications in the world but a bit of cop on & real hands on knowledge of the game is also very important. I agree with you though this result does reflect badly on the league.:mad:

[littleman]

Questions,,,,,,,,,,

Reagan,,,,,,can all the badges in the world make up for an utter,inept lack of knowledge or last years teams strong points or this years talent.

Halloran,,,,,,,,,,,,was it just the name he brought to the management,,,,,,,,cause with City playin tonite his loyalties lay else where

Quim,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as a keeper,hot headed,as a coach hot headed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if he nominated 7 players from a underachivin team ,well whats happened there,if it wasnt him,who the hell thought Kinsale had 7 players in the Prem better than the rest,,,,,,,,,,dont worry ul get a chance to answer me face to face this season,an Bog

[littleman]

Olachiao,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if we had the basis of our strongest squad thats great,if the manager has totally disregarded any information he got or if the old manager had a chat an pointed him in the right direction,an he choose to ignore it;,then fair duse to him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but if or any side drops their best center half an best midfield playe whos wrong Olachaio,

[ballsac7]

Questions,,,,,,,,,,

Reagan,,,,,,can all the badges in the world make up for an utter,inept lack of knowledge or last years teams strong points or this years talent.


Couldn't agree with that more, the team last year was an outstanding success - to make the radical changes & to play people out of position smells of very poor organisation.

[shetland]

as i said in previous post. watch this space.whas i right? the panel picked was a joke and the result proves this.why break up last years winning centre halves.

[Southsider]

Shane O'Neill up front thats a strange one ! I think he is a good winger tho. Madness to drop Sully from the team as last years captain you think he would be undroppable. With a team selsection like that one has to think they done rather well to lose by a goal. Either O'Regan wants to stamp his own authority on this team and forget about Minty and last years successes or he has lost his marbles. Anyone got the starting team ??? P.S. He did play football. I can remember Niall playing on the Cork Youth Inter League team. Good player he was too.

[olachico]

Shane O'Neill up front thats a strange one ! I think he is a good winger tho. Madness to drop Sully from the team as last years captain you think he would be undroppable. With a team selsection like that one has to think they done rather well to lose by a goal. Either O'Regan wants to stamp his own authority on this team and forget about Minty and last years successes or he has lost his marbles. Anyone got the starting team ??? P.S. He did play football. I can remember Niall playing on the Cork Youth Inter League team. Good player he was too.

Yeah Steve Staunton was a good player too :D need i say anymore :p . All joking aside (and I wasnt at the match) maybe they might have lost anyway no matter who was in the squad/team - i just think there could be an easier way to do all this with regards the oscar traynor team

[Radiostar]

Littleman, were you at the game, because whatever about the selection, how did the team actually play?

[Southsider]

Yeah Steve Staunton was a good player too :D need i say anymore :p . All joking aside (and I wasnt at the match) maybe they might have lost anyway no matter who was in the squad/team - i just think there could be an easier way to do all this with regards the oscar traynor team
Very true olachico,very true. I dont know anything about the Kerry lads but i get the feeling our lads would have lost anyway Because when you think of it,any team to lose the likes of Varian,Figo,Jason Keegan,Paul O'Mahony,Anthony Buckley and Trevor Dunlea from the team who played Kerry last year and if i remember correctly were very very lucky against them last season really had a mountain to climb not forgetten last years captain either from the above named. Lets hope with a bit of time between now and their next fixture the mistakes tonight will be mended somehow i dont think so:(

[bogwarrior]

You make a fair point ola... higher league doesnt mean better quality player on an individual level. But i'd pick groups of players from the higher division clubs. Grattan centre backs for example... Kinsale strikers... etc.. Include then amongst these one or two gems from the lower leagues maybe.. its not as likely that you'll find two players at a lower league club at the same level as a premier. Thanks for the caps lock. No need to shout:D!

I take it the game was poor lads? Let us know the starting team and match info when u can. I'll bite my tongue before passing any comment.

[Radiostar]

You make a fair point ola... higher league doesnt mean better quality player on an individual level. But i'd pick groups of players from the higher division clubs. Grattan centre backs for example... Kinsale strikers... etc.. Include then amongst these one or two gems from the lower leagues maybe.. its not as likely that you'll find two players at a lower league club at the same level as a premier. Thanks for the caps lock. No need to shout:D!

I take it the game was poor lads? Let us know the starting team and match info when u can. I'll bite my tongue before passing any comment.
Bog can you remember who played left back for Kinsale in the Mossie Linnane final, he was a blonde fella? Don't know his name, was he in the cork aul team selected?

[olachico]

You make a fair point ola... higher league doesnt mean better quality player on an individual level. But i'd pick groups of players from the higher division clubs. Grattan centre backs for example... Kinsale strikers... etc.. Include then amongst these one or two gems from the lower leagues maybe.. its not as likely that you'll find two players at a lower league club at the same level as a premier. Thanks for the caps lock. No need to shout:D!

I take it the game was poor lads? Let us know the starting team and match info when u can. I'll bite my tongue before passing any comment.

I wasnt shouting - i was merely EMPHASISING my point - Wilton will be playing Glen Celtic in a few weeks in the cup - Shane "Shambo" Hurley is a player I know well - he is a player I believe could certainly play at a higher level - All I'm saying is there are players around that should be considered - like this John Cronin from Bohs who I am hearing great things about - must go watch them sometime

Lads I was enthusiastic about the AULs appointment when I heard it to be honest . And anyone I spoke to only had good things to say about Niall O Reagan I just think the squad looked all wrong from the outset

I dont see why the AUL cant take a more pro active role in this .
Granted the appointment was late but surely SURELY SURELY some trial games could be set up whereby if a club has a player they think might be good enough for the AUL panel they can send them forward and see what happens .

So at least when the manager is appointed he could be told - X,Y,Z from Kinsale A,B,C from Grattan and you might want to look at D from Ballyvolane . T from Kanturk and F from Springfield . Not saying tell him who to pick but help him out