Darron Gibson

[tetsujin1979]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/irelands-2011-12-premier-league-stat-leaders/

Passes per Game
46.4 – James McCarthy (Wigan)
44.7 – Stephen Ward (Wolves)
42.2 – Darron Gibson (Everton)
40.8 – Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
37.2 – Wes Hoolahan (Norwich)

Successful Passing Percentage
87.2 – James McCarthy (Wigan)
86.5 – Damien Duff (Fulham)
85.7 – Samir Carruthers (Aston Villa)
85.7 – Michael Harriman (QPR, played only one game)
84.1 – Darron Gibson (Everton)
83.3 – Anthony Forde (Wolves)

Successful Long Passes per Game
7.2 – Paddy Kenny (QPR)
6.4 – Keiren Westwood (Sunderland)
5.8 – Shay Given (Aston Villa)
4.9 – Glenn Whelan (Stoke)
4.5 – Darron Gibson (Everton)

Interceptions per Game
2.6 – Stephen Ireland (Aston Villa)
2.0 – Richard Dunne (Aston Villa)
2.0 – John O’Shea (Sunderland)
1.9 – Ciaran Clark (Aston Villa)
1.9 – Darron Gibson (Everton)

[paul_oshea]

Whilst those stats are fairly reasonable there is no common denominator to gauge anything.

I think you see my point when you see samir carruthers above him in one of them.

[DeLorean]

Hopefully then those who were so eager to brand him a championship footballer in this thread will finish off devouring their hats.

I'm not sure if I ever referred to him as a Championship footballer, but I would admit to doubting his PL credentials based on his Man Utd and Ireland showings. I'm sure if he wasn't Irish, and the hope factor was put to one side, most people on here would have felt the same. Although I haven't been overly impressed in the few Everton games I have seen, it would be foolish of me to suggest that his career isn't going in the right direction. I hope this progress is dramatic and I get to "devour my hat" sooner rather than later :)

[Irwin3]

@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

[DeLorean]

@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

Ok I admit it, it's not Darron I don't like...it's YOU!!

I joke, I joke... I suppose Irwin3, it's because I'm not even sure what those stats are supposed to indicate. To me, all it shows it that generally players make roughly (oh-oh, have I said a bad word?) about 40 passes per game, successful passes are usually somewhere between 80-90%, goalkeepers kick ass at the long passes and about two interceptions per game seems to be the norm. I'm aware that these were only the top of the lists...the elite like Gibbo and Samir Carruthers if you will, but as you know I wouldn't be a dedicated enough statistician to dig any deeper.

[Irwin3]

Ok I admit it, it's not Darron I don't like...it's YOU!!

I joke, I joke... I suppose Irwin3, it's because I'm not even sure what those stats are supposed to indicate. To me, all it shows it that generally players make roughly (oh-oh, have I said a bad word?) about 40 passes per game, successful passes are usually somewhere between 80-90%, goalkeepers kick ass at the long passes and about two interceptions per game seems to be the norm. I'm aware that these were only the top of the lists...the elite like Gibbo and Samir Carruthers if you will, but as you know I wouldn't be a dedicated enough statistician to dig any deeper.

That's really your problem then, isn't it? Why bother yourself with them if you don't even know what they indicate?

Glenn Whelan thinks his 79.4% is grand.

Only played 19 minutes. Good prospect but let's see how he does after a run of games. Usually players are excluded from such lists unless they've played a certain amount of games. Good try at sarcasm though.

What's the common denominator of all the lists? Darron Gibson. Nooooooooooo! Lies I tell you. Lies. What do these stats even indicate? Down with stats!

[tricky_colour]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/irelands-2011-12-premier-league-stat-leaders/

Thanks I will add that to my stats sites, interesting how different stats can tell a different story.

[SkStu]

To add some napalm to the stats fire
from http://greenscene.me/2012/05/irelands-2011-12-premier-league-stat-leaders/

Michael Harriman? A successor to Paul Green at last! :D

[DeLorean]

Why bother yourself with them if you don't even know what they indicate?

Am.... I wasn't bothered with them. So much so that you were curious as to why I wasn't bothered with them. Remember....


@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?

[Irwin3]

Am.... I wasn't bothered with them. So much so that you were curious as to why I wasn't bothered with them. Remember....

Lack of comprehension strikes again. My question "@DeLorean. Why aren't you trying to kill the latest stats?" was more to do with the fact that you got yourself all worked up over my two stats that I posted (Gibson's Everton record and his unbeaten PL run) and then have paid no notice to the numerous stats posted subsequently by tricky and tets. Hmm. Why was that I wonder?

And the "why bother" question is to do with you saying you don't understand what the stats indicate and then you proceed to try and belittle them. Why go to the effort?

[The Bunk]

Board snoring.:sleepy:

[Irish_Praha]

Can you two guys please get a room or at least continue this in a PM.

[The Fly]

Board snoring.:sleepy:

Has an anagram of a player's name ever been more appropriate?

[DeLorean]

Ok, sorry guys. I presumed it was as gripping for ye as it was for us :o

[DannyInvincible]

According to Ciarán Ó Raghallaigh, Gibson is considering his international future:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/poguemahone85/AwKGcAQCIAIW_sD.jpg

[The Fly]

Can you provide a scan of page 65?

Paul Rowan had an article in today's Sunday Times which touched upon something similar regarding Gibson.

[DannyInvincible]

I can't, sorry. I got that scan from a tweet of Ó Raghallaigh's. He doesn't appear to have uploaded a scan of page 65, but did tweet that Hunt was in tears and "stormed out" of wherever he was, presumably towards the team bus:

https://twitter.com/Ciaran_O/status/216883176449130496
https://twitter.com/Ciaran_O/status/216883547720523776/photo/1

Did Rowan say much else?

[The Fly]

I'm just reading through it again, and whilst it doesn't specifically mention Gibson's international future, it does hint at a general disillusionment within the squad towards Trap.

Bear with me and I'll just type some of the main points.

[The Fly]

Actually, it did mention it.

It was a wholly negative piece towards Trapattoni. I've just typed out the relevant points.


by Paul Rowan

.....Last week we felt that Trapattoni deserved the benefit of the doubt, but since then the reservations have grown stronger. Neither Ireland's fans, nor players who broke ranks during that time, only the manager sought to wash his hands of responsibility for Ireland matching the worst ever showing of any team at the Euros and highlighted further failures of the players instead.

Having said that the players were playing with 'fear' and the 'jersey was too heavy' he then identified a lack of leadership and after the Italy game was saying; "if I tell the truth it would seem that I want to humiliate people". Not a single Irish player managed to raise his game for the Euros and some of them underperformed, which was the most disappointing aspect for those who didn't lose sight of the fact that Ireland were in an extremely tough group and were likely to lose all three matches.

Trapattoni also had an extremely poor tournament and his efforts to preserve his own reputation at the expense of others has lowered him in the eyes of the players. Richard Dunne is believed to have been unhappy with the way the campaign was run and had exchanges after the Italy game with Trapattoni. Senior players advised him to go holiday with his family rather than make any rash decisions about his Ireland future. There was unhappiness about the hotel in the middle of the resort town of Sopot - revelling Irish fans actually kept some of the players awake the night before the Spain game - but the players didn't want to be seen to be whingeing. However, what made them most unhappy was the long camp and the fact that they considered themselves overworked after a long season.

Darron Gibson, form instance, reported to Dublin two days after he played the last Premier League game of the season for Everton on May 13. It's belived he asked Trapattoni if he could report the following Sunday along with the rest of the Premier League players - for one thing he had been invited along with Robbie Keane and others to Glenn Whelan's wedding on the Saturday - but was told in no uncertain terms to show up as instructed. Gibson didn't see a moment of action in the Euros and asked the manager the night of the Spain game if he had a problem with him.

The Italy game in Poznan has thrown up a new problem which will focus plenty of attention on Gibson. Some commentators along with Trapattoni pointed up an improvement in the performance level, but whatever it was escaped this particular observer. The mistakes at the back have been a standout feature, but even more glaring has been Ireland's lack of any goalscoring threat in all three games.

UEFA statistics credit Ireland with two shots on target against Italy, but it's difficult to remember either and Keith Andrew's petulant blasting of the ball into the crowd after he had been dismissed was one of the times Ireland got closest to scoring. He is automatically banned for Ireland's opening World Cup qualifying game against Kazakhstan in September but UEFA will probably be minded to put a few more on top of that after reading the referee's report. Gibson will be needed more than ever, but is believed to be considering his future under Trapattoni. The player himself is maintaining an unhappy silence. "I have nothing to say about that," he remarked when asked about his international future.

Important people continue to back Trapattoni in his dealings with Gibson and everybody else. Denis O'Brien, who pays half Trapattoni's wages, says he is delighted with his investment, scotching any thoughts that he might consider a different manager. The FAI too won't get rid of Trapattoni, unless the crowd in Dublin turns on the manager a it did in the case of Mick McCarthy and Steve Staunton. In that case, he would probably go quite quickly, so a good start to the qualifying campaign is vital if Trapattoni is to stay on board.

[Irwin3]

http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/let-me-play-gibson-tells-trap-1-3986699?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


Derry’s Republic of Ireland player Darron Gibson is reported to be fuming that boss Giovanni Trappatoni hasn’t started him in a competitive game since the March 2011 Euro qualifier against Macedonia.
The Everton midfielder is said to be looking for assurances that he can expect to feature in the upcoming World Cup qualifying campaign after not having had any pitch time during Ireland’s recent Euro 2012 campaign.
The former Derry City player is the player in the Irish squad who finished highest in the Premier League last term playing midfield for Everton.
Although he got the final half hour of the last pre-Euro warm up against Hungary, the Hazelbank man was overlooked by Trappatoni for Paul Green as a substitute in the second tie at the Euros against Spain.
Weekend papers have reported that sources close to Gibson say he’s disillusioned with not having been brought on to play for Ireland during the Euros.
The source said: “It’s not as if the team was winning games. He felt he could contribute but the shame was, he didn’t get a chance.
“Right now, Darron doesn’t know where he stands with Trappatoni. He loves playing for Ireland but the manager doesn’t seem to believe in him.”
Trappatoni has come under increasing criticsm since the team’s dismal performances in Poland and Ukraine and during the tournament faced questions about not having used Derry’s James McClean more often,
As one of the first ten squad members to report for duty on May 15, Gibson spent 35 days in camp at the Euros without being brought on to play.
He is said to be keen to address the situation with the Republic of Ireland boss as soon as possible.

[CraftyToePoke]

http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/let-me-play-gibson-tells-trap-1-3986699?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Thought he was an Institute player, not aware he played for Derry City. May be wrong.

[Irwin3]

Thought he was an Institute player, not aware hr played for Derry City. May be wrong.

Correct. Also, the Euro's were the first competitive games that Gibson was available for since he played against Macedonia in March 2011. So not great journalism all in all. For me, the best parts of the article are the quotes from a 'source'.

[CraftyToePoke]

For me, the best parts of the article are the quotes from a 'source'.

Well this is it, coupled with the club error, hmmmm. Doubts. Look, at most I reckon they guy sees the players ahead of him, and wants assurances he will get a chance if he keeps turning up, and I don't blame him there after recent weeks, not one bit.

[tricky_colour]

I think Darren was one of the highest rated Irish players on a statistical index, along with
McClean and Hoolahan, indeed McClean was highest then Gibson then Hoolahan. They had
10 mins on the pitch between them. Those player should have had a chance.

[geysir]

Well this is it, coupled with the club error, hmmmm. Doubts. Look, at most I reckon they guy sees the players ahead of him, and wants assurances he will get a chance if he keeps turning up, and I don't blame him there after recent weeks, not one bit.
It was bad enough to witness that midfield ineptitude from the subs bench, it wouldn't be too difficult to a guess accurately at just how Gibson felt when the board went up for Green in a game like that. It was only for a few minutes but encapsulated in that cameo appearance was the worst of Trap, the depths of football negativity in regard to the team and to an individual player, Gibson.
We know Gibson has ideas about himself, that's not a bad thing as long as he can walk the talk, which he has done.

[elroy]

I have bought the Sunday Times since the Tribune went under and in that time I have yet to read anything positive about the Irish team from Paul Rowan. His build up to the tournament consisted with interviews with aggrieved players who were out of the squad.

Having said that, I do think there is reason for the likes of Gibson (in particulary) and lesser so Long, Walters, Hunt and McClean to feel annoyed that they did not get some/more game time at the Euros. Particularly when the first XI almost to a man were underperforming and in Gibsons case, Paul Green was given a run out.

I do think Gibson has alot to prove in his own right but he did eventually take Traps advice and left United. He joined up with the squad at the earliest opportunity and obeyed orders. He deserved a run out in one of the games. If he continues to improve with Everton which I suspect he will, he could become a very important player for us.

[geysir]

And I guess what Gibson wants is an explanation from Trap of what defines 'a very important player for us'.

[Noelys Guitar]

But why would Trap now choose Gibson ahead of Green? Or Shane Long ahead of Cox. Its not going to happen. Its not like Gibson and Long have just broken into the team.

[geysir]

If Trap wants to persist with Green ahead of Gibson, then I guess Gibson might want to know this before the qualifiers.
As they say it's the hope that kills you and in Gibson's case what hope does he have if Green is rated higher?

[elroy]

But why would Trap now choose Gibson ahead of Green? Or Shane Long ahead of Cox. Its not going to happen. Its not like Gibson and Long have just broken into the team.

IMO long did more in the 30 odd mins he got in the Euros than any of the other strikers. He is quick but also very strong and a good finisher. For me, he would be our no 1 heading into the WC campaign. He also was a regular scorer for WBA in the last season.

The Gibson over Green debate. Gibson hasnt exactly set the world alight in an Irish jersey but then again neither has again. I do think Green does get somewhat more bad press than he deserves, but he is an average player and will be never anything more than that. Gibson has the potential to be a good player with a nice weapon in his shot power. There is more to offer from Gibson, he does need to deliver and in fairness in the last six months, he has shown signs of doing just that. Having David Moyes as a manager could be the makings of the lad.

[Carrigaline]

IMO long did more in the 30 odd mins he got in the Euros than any of the other strikers.
:confused:

I am a big fan of Long, but that statement is just completely wrong. From what I recall, he came on and played about 20 minutes and didn't do anything of note. Not his fault obviously.

[tricky_colour]

Was he on that Long?

[tetsujin1979]

Was he on that Long?
15 minutes against Croatia and 25 minutes against Italy = 40 minutes in total

[Crosby87]

Whatever happened to Dr Ogba, who started this thread? I fear the worst.

[geysir]

Tets, you've fallen for a Tricky trap.
:embarrassed:

[tricky_colour]

Tets, you've fallen for a Tricky trap.
:embarrassed:


I missed out a comma, I meant to write.

Was he on, that Long?
I can't recall him being on the pitch.

[tricky_colour]

15 minutes against Croatia and 25 minutes against Italy = 40 minutes in total

Am I right in saying that as Long was on the pitch we never conceded a goal?

We conceded 5 times in that 180 minutes so a goal every 36 minutes.

Or slightly another way we conceded 5 goals in 180-40 = 120 minute or one every 24 minutes.

Perhaps I don't remember him being on was because all I can remember was the opposition hitting the back of the net.

Mind you we did score our only goal when he was not on the pitch.

[tetsujin1979]

Am I right in saying that as Long was on the pitch we never conceded a goal?

We conceded 5 times in that 180 minutes so a goal every 36 minutes.

Or slightly another way we conceded 5 goals in 180-40 = 120 minute or one every 24 minutes.

Perhaps I don't remember him being on was because all I can remember was the opposition hitting the back of the net.

Mind you we did score our only goal when he was not on the pitch.
no, he was on the pitch when Balotelli scored

[tricky_colour]

no, he was on the pitch when Balotelli scored

Actually I don't think he was.

64 mins Duff almost picks out Ward, but Italy scramble clear. Just before the corner, by the way, McGeady was replaced by Long.

75 min: Balotelli replaces Di Natale, Long is hooked in favour of Walters.

87 mins GOAL! Italy 2-0 Republic of Ireland (Balotelli 90) A wonderful, wonderful goal from the Manchester City striker. A corner swung in and an acrobatic volley crisper and sweeter than a Granny Smith apple.

Very unusual for a sub to be subbed. [edit - and indeed it was Doyle who came off]


Which changes it somewhat as he only had 11 minutes v Italy so that is a total of 26 minutes

Actually he had 5 mins of extra time making 31 mins

[osarusan]

According to the BBC, Walters came on for Doyle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18181167

[tricky_colour]

Correction!!!

It was Kevin Doyle who came off not Long, I kind of realise that when re-watching it.

[tricky_colour]

According to the BBC, Walters came on for Doyle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18181167

Yes that is right, I got my info from the Guardian site, who are renown for bad spelling and other slip-shod journalism it seems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/18/euro-2012-italy-ireland-live-mbm

So much of what I wrote was a load of rubbish, but then nothing new there :rofl:

[tricky_colour]

Would add we were down to ten men when Baleoteli scored.

Overall the play was good when Long was on he made a contribution and I think I read he made
7 out of his 8 passes.

[tricky_colour]

:confused:

I am a big fan of Long, but that statement is just completely wrong. From what I recall, he came on and played about 20 minutes and didn't do anything of note. Not his fault obviously.


Actually I would kind of disagree, Long had a decent spell I think, which formed some of our best play in the games.

I just checked he made 14 of his 16 passes = 87% (Robbie 82%, Walters 61% Doyle 66% Cox 68%)

He made a pass every 2.5 mins----------------------(R 7.5 W 3.1 D 3.9 C 3.6 )

Grated the Spain game may skew things a bit, he didn't do much wrong and didn't give the ball away and was good value for money.

Also nobody scored when he was on and we had 10 men.

He should have had more time on the pitch IMO.

Also when you say he didn't do anything of note you could say the same of the rest of the bunch!!!

[SkStu]

Whatever happened to Dr Ogba, who started this thread? I fear the worst.

Moved to China for the yuans!

[DeLorean]

Gibson seems to be forgetting that he has got opportunities for Ireland and hasn't taken them. Where do these guys get off thinking they deserve assurances, etc. I feel a bit for Shane Long, who has been a consistent player for both Ireland and his clubs over a substantial period of time, but Gibson and a few more have a long way to go before they earn the right to go shooting their mouths off.

[Stuttgart88]

But I thought Gibson did really well against Bosnia, just before the Euros. Also, I think Gibson could do very well in a 3 man midfield - this has never been tried. Gibson has also stepped up his club career since he last played for us - regular football at a decent team is better than sporadic football at a good team. And he's better than Paul Green!

[geysir]

Gibson seems to be forgetting that he has got opportunities for Ireland and hasn't taken them. Where do these guys get off thinking they deserve assurances, etc. I feel a bit for Shane Long, who has been a consistent player for both Ireland and his clubs over a substantial period of time, but Gibson and a few more have a long way to go before they earns the right to go shooting their mouths off.

Where has Gibson shot off his mouth? I missed that.
Gibson missed a good few squads in this campaign due to injury, had played himself back into contention with performances for Everton, returned to the Ireland squad and performed on the pitch.
He is perfectly entitled should he so choose, to have a chat to the manager to find out where he stands. The manager is perfectly entitled to say 'you're not good enough to play ahead of (draftee) Paul Green'.

[DeLorean]

But I thought Gibson did really well against Bosnia, just before the Euros. Also, I think Gibson could do very well in a 3 man midfield - this has never been tried. Gibson has also stepped up his club career since he last played for us - regular football at a decent team is better than sporadic football at a good team. And he's better than Paul Green!

I'm not really saying that he shouldn't have been played or that Paul Green is better, I'm just saying that he hasn't done anything of note to justify assurances of any sort. He contributed little or nothing to the qualification campaign either, even less than Paul Green! There's a lot to be said for being professional, let your football do the talking and most of all be patient. Some of these prima donna's think they deserve to be played because they turned up in time. Same goes for the likes of McClean, fair enough I would have liked to have seen more of him too, but he's been playing at a decent level for a relatively short period of time, way too early to be getting ideas above his station.

[DeLorean]

He is perfectly entitled should he so choose, to have a chat to the manager to find out where he stands. The manager is perfectly entitled to say 'you're not good enough to play ahead of (draftee) Paul Green'.

I don't really think he is entitled to be honest. Maybe another year down the road if he is playing consistently well he might have earned the right some bit. He's been playing regular football for half a season and thinks he deserves answers, and might even be considering his international future if reports are correct!!