Darron Gibson

[Irwin3]

I'm not making them, thank God! An Everton fan does them on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/EFCmatchcomps/videos?view=0

[Crosby87]

Yeah some people have an awful lot of time on their hands.

[Grafter]

According to last line of this report, it seems "our" wee Darron has lost his appetite for international football for foreseeable future:rolleyes:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/new-operation-casts-fresh-doubts-over-dunnes-future-3326561.html

[dong]

A couple of things that strike me about the Gibson debate:
1. That video is very impressive but if Trap actually gave him a game in a competitive match ahead of Paul Greene or somebody of that ilk, he would never get so many touches of the ball. Everton are rarely route one in spite of having a target man like Fellaini.
2. Ireland, unless we start picking players like Long, Hoolahan and McCarthy do not have anything approaching the quality of players of Everton so, again, Gibson would not see half as much of the ball and when he did, his options would be limited as we would be entrenched on our own half. Also, players of lesser quality make poorer decisions when taking up positions off the ball so this problem would be compounded.
This is not to say that he shouldn't be picked ahead of some of the other candidates, of course he should. I just wouldn't expect a YouTube clip as long as that one to emerge after the match. You would then predict a wave of "I told you sos" from Trap apologists.

[DannyInvincible]

According to last line of this report, it seems "our" wee Darron has lost his appetite for international football for foreseeable future:rolleyes:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/new-operation-casts-fresh-doubts-over-dunnes-future-3326561.html

It's possible that rather than having little appetite for playing for Ireland per se, his fundamental issue is with playing under Trap. He expressed an eagerness to play but obviously felt shunned in some way.

[tricky_colour]

Yeah some people have an awful lot of time on their hands.

I expect Darron has a bit more spare time these days.

[Sullivinho]

It's possible that rather than having little appetite for playing for Ireland per se, his fundamental issue is with playing under Trap. He expressed an eagerness to play but obviously felt shunned in some way.

I suspect Gibbo is awaiting the post-Trap era.

[Charlie Darwin]

If he is, then I'd hope the post-Trap manager gives him short shrift.

[Grafter]

I think Gibson's guff about being disappointed with the Euros and needing time to get over it blah blah.... just shows the level of cynicism not only in the professional game, but also amongst alot of "da precious youth" of today... Even the way his actions are being justified by some on here makes me shake my head...
There used to be saying about NASA astronauts needing "the right stuff" to do their job for their country.... well it was quite clear to me the moment he withdrew from the Kazak match squad that he didn't possess "the right stuff" and a few long passes for his paymasters on Merseyside won't change my mind on that one.

Let him sit in the local town park on Thursday afternoon in February lamenting his lack of gametime in the Euros (just don't forget to bring some bread for the pigeons!)

[peadar1987]

Not particularly earth-shattering against Stoke yesterday, but didn't do much wrong. Same could be said for Coleman.

[liamoo11]

I think Gibson's guff about being disappointed with the Euros and needing time to get over it blah blah.... just shows the level of cynicism not only in the professional game, but also amongst alot of "da precious youth" of today... Even the way his actions are being justified by some on here makes me shake my head...
There used to be saying about NASA astronauts needing "the right stuff" to do their job for their country.... well it was quite clear to me the moment he withdrew from the Kazak match squad that he didn't possess "the right stuff" and a few long passes for his paymasters on Merseyside won't change my mind on that one.

Let him sit in the local town park on Thursday afternoon in February lamenting his lack of gametime in the Euros (just don't forget to bring some bread for the pigeons!)

Fair point. it should be remembered though that gibson went through a tough process to move from the norths set up to ours with all the hassle that brings with it due to his determination to play for his country so I think people are a bit out of line suggesting he does not want to play for us

[DannyInvincible]

Even the way his actions are being justified by some on here makes me shake my head...

In case you misinterpreted me, I wasn't attempting to justify his self-imposed exile. Not sure others have been either, to be honest. Who has been justifying it? I was merely speculating as to his motivations; he has been accused of being disinterested in playing for his country when his primary (or even solitary) issue might well be with Trap and his selection policy. There's a distinction there. His willingness to play for Ireland is evidently conditional on some other factor - which doesn't fit with the romantic and unconditional ideals of supporterdom, I admit - but there's still a willingness there, if we are to take his word for it. Personally, I'd like to think I could see past personal grudges if offered the opportunity to play for my country, but I think it's still a distinction worth pointing out in this instance; to assert that Gibson simply doesn't want to play for Ireland (à la Stephen Ireland) would be to tarnish him unfairly. It's easy for fans to get sanctimonious and claim they'd be willing to play for Ireland unconditionally if offered the chance, but Gibson's free to do as he pleases and I don't think this issue is as black-and-white as simply saying he doesn't want to play for us. Anyway, irrespective of all that, far from attempting to justify his decision, I've repeatedly made clear that I view it as petulant and ill-advised. I also think Trap would be well entitled to ignore him in the long term if Gibson is unwilling to come to terms with his position soon.

[DannyInvincible]

Fair point. it should be remembered though that gibson went through a tough process to move from the norths set up to ours with all the hassle that brings with it due to his determination to play for his country so I think people are a bit out of line suggesting he does not want to play for us

It reminds me of people accusing James McCarthy of lacking commitment in latter times when a niggling injury led to him pulling out of a few internationals after having voluntarily subjected himself to years of abuse in Scotland by virtue of his decision to play for us earlier in his career.

[Grafter]

I'm not sure how many were listening to the excellent Stephen Hunt doing co-commentary on Newstalk's West Brom-West Ham game today.
What a breathe of fresh air it is to hear an unaffected, honest pro talking about the game with balance and maturity. Accepting his lack of game-time in Poland without concocting some elaborate wrestling style "heal" versus "face" debacle with the manager. Didn't hear Stephen moan about his embarrassment and his family being out there and not getting on the pitch. In what he said today, Hunt certainly displayed the merits of a broad apprenticeship in the game with the likes of the lowly Brentford as opposed to the more "me me me" celebrity divaesque mentality mentality youngsters are now adopting at the bigger clubs. Read Liam Brady on Arsenal youths in latest FourFourTwo magazine in this regard.

[elroy]

Gibson attitude stinks. Ok yes maybe he was hard done by during the summer but he wasnt the only one. Plus there were plenty of times in the past when he got game time for Ireland when he really did not deserve it. Cop the fcuk on DG and man up.

Separately reports in the Times today that a few players have called for Brady to return to the set up to improve communication between management and players.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Have sympathy for both points of view. For Gibson's 'supporters' and detractors.

He should wise up. But he's not the only player (or prospective one) Trap's alienated, which is why after next March, we'll all be probably hoping 'Gio' leaves at the first opportunity...

[CraftyToePoke]

He did handle things wrongly post Euros, but as said above he also did have to switch associations and the attendant fallout in order to play for us. I just get the feeling he was told he was competing for the spot next to Whelan, with McCarthy and on two levels this was a bit much for him to take, 1: he had been to the Euros and suffered the footballing indignity of seeing Paul Green sent on Vs Spain ahead of him and despite this, McCarthy was to get the nod first in the first post finals friendly, and 2: it was and is surely time for he and McCarthy to start together, he will be training with Andrews/Green/Whelan and will be keenly aware that clearly lesser players are being repeatedly selected ahead of him, there is bound to be a tipping point when this nonsense continues despite the collapse at the finals.

Yes, he handled it wrong, but there are mitigating circumstances here also. Its unfair to say he should want to play for his country, when all he has done is exhibit the will to do just that, but keeps coming up against a manager who is intent on selecting donkeys by comparison ahead of him.

[Stuttgart88]

Separately reports in the Times today that a few players have called for Brady to return to the set up to improve communication between management and players.Any chance of a link? I can't find reference to that.

[theworm2345]

Just got sent off for a high foot, the second time the ref has produced a red card for a highly questionable reason.

[DannyInvincible]

Straight red for a high foot?

[Sullivinho]

He'll be disappointed with that.

[Stuttgart88]

Christmas off. Nice work.

[Charlie Darwin]

Video here around 3:10: http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/west-ham-1-everton-2/

Very reckless, but both that and Cole's looked to be yellows rather than red.

[Colbert Report]

Definitely a red card, dangerous play. He should get a two or three match ban for that.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Modern game. It's way too high at that short distance from another player. You're just not allowed do that anymore.

[tetsujin1979]

Moyes says he's going to appeal it: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8352455/Everton-boss-David-Moyes-will-appeal-Darron-Gibson-s-dismissal-in-the-2-1-win-over-West-Ham

[DannyInvincible]

Careless rather than malicious. Upon seeing it, deserved a red though.

[geysir]

It didn't look much different to Coles' high challenge earlier, but it did have a Cantonesque quality about it.
The ref deemed Coles' as reckless and Gibson's as excessive. I think the ref can justify the red card and he was looking straight at it. He was further away from the Cole incident and the Everton player got straight up.

[the bear]

I don't think either of them deserved a red, they were both trying to play the ball.

[geysir]

Trying to play the ball is not a mitigating factor, the difference between yellow and red is the difference between reckless and excessive force used.

[Stuttgart88]

Gibson's reminded me of my only ever red card. Genuine attempt to play the ball, but the ball was in the air, he went in with his foot very high and got the man instead.

[Irwin3]

http://i.minus.com/i8DhePyOvFfOl.gif

Very similar challenges. For me they're careless/reckless and are yellow card offences.

[SkStu]

It's a red for me (if one is then both are) but talk of a three match ban when there's clear lack of intent and when racists get away with 4 game ban is daft talk.

[geysir]

It should be a regular red card, one match ban.
Of the two, Gibson has the cleaner hit and he manages to get that bit extra into the stamp just on contact.

This is my number I
hits all the buttons - cowardly, vicious, blatant and the cxnt got away with it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss_7WGYa9nQ

[the bear]

Cole was trying to control the ball, no intention to anything but that, I would give a free kick nothing else.

Gibbo tried to kick the ball, missed and caught Noble with the follow through, maybe a yellow.

Here is my number 1, I still get shocked everytime i see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbvgbLnJoPM

[geysir]

Jason got the ball (and the man), that's more than Gibson managed.

[DeLorean]

The general consensus amongst the pundits over the weekend was that the referee was wrong and they were both yellows. Both players were clearly going for the ball but it's always going to look bad catching a player that high up with your studs. Fair play to Leighton Baines for getting straight back up, one of my favourite PL players to watch at the moment.

[DannyInvincible]

I believe that's the first time Gibson was sent off in his career. He's not a dirty player. Then again, tackling isn't a fundamental part of his game.

[Junior]

Christmas off. Nice work.

Bumped in to him in Costco yesterday getting the Christmas Shop in. Didnt looked too stressed either.

[Paddy Garcia]

Jason got the ball (and the man), that's more than Gibson managed.

Outstanding lift.

[the bear]

It seems Gibson will be available to play on Stephen's day because it falls before the appeal date.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/matches/2012-2013/epl.html/everton-vs-wigan

[Stuttgart88]

The general consensus amongst the pundits over the weekend was that the referee was wrong and they were both yellows. Both players were clearly going for the ball but it's always going to look bad catching a player that high up with your studs. Fair play to Leighton Baines for getting straight back up, one of my favourite PL players to watch at the moment.If the pundits say it was a yellow then it must have been worth a red!

I think Cole was harder done by to be honest. A red card for Gibson wasn't necessarily wrong in its own right but having sent Cole off he had to sent Gibson off too. I think the ref was entitled to give it. too many people demand too much from referees. They call it as they see it in real time. The Allardyce response of the game having too much at stake, especially financially, to leave the refs unassisted by technology is getting the logic all twisted in my opinion. A game that relies so much on a referee's opinion but which can often prove contentious probably shouldn't have so much money depending on the outcomes.

[geysir]

I mistakingly thought Gibson was the only one, red carded.

The pundits usually rattle on about 'only going for the ball' and 'had no intent to injure'. That goes out the window once contact has been made. Gibson was dangerous and the contact was made with studs first, flattening the West Ham player.

[DannyInvincible]

The pundits usually rattle on about 'only going for the ball' and 'had no intent to injure'.

You're demanding quite a lot of the modern pundit if you think he'll possess knowledge of the rule-book.

[Charlie Darwin]

It should be a regular red card, one match ban.
Of the two, Gibson has the cleaner hit and he manages to get that bit extra into the stamp just on contact.

This is my number I
hits all the buttons - cowardly, vicious, blatant and the cxnt got away with it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss_7WGYa9nQ
I remember that. That was within a few-week period when Shearer had also thrown a couple of deliberate elbows in players' faces. The amateur psychologist in me wants to speculate he was having some personal problems just then.

[Charlie Darwin]

Taken off at half time against Wigan. Poor performance or an injury?

[Irwin3]

Pulled up just before half-time after striking a free kick with a thigh injury. Not sure if it's a recurrence or if it's the other leg this time.

[geysir]

He's not quite in the Keith O'Neill glass legs category, but he can't be that far off it.

[Charlie Darwin]

He seems to pick up a lot of muscle injuries, presumably from all that harrying he does.

[Charlie Darwin]

Gibson and Cole's appeals upheld: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/1227/1224328212283.html