Darron Gibson

[geysir]

I suppose it's a matter of opinion whether he's entitled to talk to the manager or not about his place in the team, but I'd expect if he does ask the manager a question, he can expect to get an answer.
But it's not a matter of opinion that he's been shooting off his mouth, because he hasn't been.

[DeLorean]

But it's not a matter of opinion that he's been shooting off his mouth, because he hasn't been.

Okay, okay, you're really pushing this point. I think Gibson is out of line questioning the manager in his current situation, and allegedly considering his international future. Also, asking the manager if he's got a problem with him seems a bit provocative to me, not really the road you want to go down with Trap. Fair enough if it doesn't fully fit into the "shooting his mouth off" category. I was speaking pretty generally about more than just him after reading McClean's comments as well...


Gibson and a few more have a long way to go before they earn the right to go shooting their mouths off.

[geysir]

You may be presuming that talking to the manager about his future is a provocative action, you may be presuming that Gibson is all fired up to give Trap an ultimatum.
Perhaps you could also consider that Gibson has every right to consult Trap, the manner of that meeting does not have to be provocative and what Gibson does in response to those answers is another matter. If the answers don't meet his satisfaction, Gibson can alway call Lee Carsley (similar situation) for advice or his club manager for advice.

[DeLorean]

It's not a club-like situation where if you're not in the plans you can get a transfer. He's stuck either with or without us, so I would suggest shutting up and seeing where he stands come the next campaign. There is many a reason that can be given for his exclusion this time around, he shouldn't need Trap to spell them out for him. If he's playing well this time next year, and Paul Green is still ahead of him in the pecking order, then a chat with the manager may be more justified.

[DannyInvincible]

Gibson has started for Everton against Manchester United tonight. Hopefully he feels like he has a point to prove to Ferguson and we can get a good performance out of him.

[tetsujin1979]

Gibson with the assist on Fellaini's header from a corner. Had taken 3 corners before that, each of them cleared.

[swinfordfc]

Gibson with the assist on Fellaini's header from a corner. Had taken 3 corners before that, each of them cleared.

All his corners were put into dangerous position, he did quite well tonight against Scholes and Cleverely, did the simple things right

[Charlie Darwin]

Apart from a few loose balls over the top where the winger was expecting a short pass, and one 50/50 he chickened out of on the edge of the box, he did very little wrong. He would have improved the opposition midfield tonight.

[John83]

He would have improved the opposition midfield tonight.
That should almost be expected of him - Scholes can't defy the ravages of time forever, and Cleverly is a kid (however gifted). If anything, it's more a criticism of Ferguson's transfers the last few years than praise of Gibson. Still, nice to hear he's doing well. He could be a vital player for Ireland if he matures just a little more, and he seems to be in the right place for it.

[liamoo11]

That should almost be expected of him - Scholes can't defy the ravages of time forever, and Cleverly is a kid (however gifted). If anything, it's more a criticism of Ferguson's transfers the last few years than praise of Gibson. Still, nice to hear he's doing well. He could be a vital player for Ireland if he matures just a little more, and he seems to be in the right place for it.

Cleverly is 23 not a kid. Gibson is a very good footballer who never got a run of games at utd and was treated badly by the fans. He has played every game for everton since he joined in jan which has coincided with evertons excellent form. His passing is crisp and neat, he has good close control and he can see a pass. He works hard which you have to to get in to a Moyes team. What the hell else do we want?Gibson and Mccarthy are by far better footballers than whelan/andrews which is the reason andrews in in the championship. Also Gibson has made a big effort to play for the republic and yet seems to be hated by ireland fans

[Mr A]

The thing is all that you describe there is a relatively recent development. Until his Everton move he was too often utterly anonymous in games, and therefore people didn't rate him. The more he plays well for Everton and Ireland the more people will come round.

[Charlie Darwin]

That should almost be expected of him - Scholes can't defy the ravages of time forever, and Cleverly is a kid (however gifted). If anything, it's more a criticism of Ferguson's transfers the last few years than praise of Gibson. Still, nice to hear he's doing well. He could be a vital player for Ireland if he matures just a little more, and he seems to be in the right place for it.
That's a bit harsh on Gibson. I thought he looked very impressive by any measure, not just against the poor opposition. And Cleverley arguably has as much Premier League experience than Gibson so he's hardly a kid.

[paul_oshea]

Everton played a game of by-passing hte midfield, and getting the knock downs, like hitting the full forward in gaelic annd the corner forwards feeding off the knock downs and scraps, piennar and jelavic picking them up. What he did was fine, but it wasnt a throughfare from midfield.

BBC said it was osman with the corner in the match report.

[Charlie Darwin]

It was a very GAA-like approach - the wingers and midfielders were so sure Fellaini would win every knock down that they could gamble on racing past him. It was 100% Gibson taking the corner though.

[tetsujin1979]

Everton played a game of by-passing hte midfield, and getting the knock downs, like hitting the full forward in gaelic annd the corner forwards feeding off the knock downs and scraps, piennar and jelavic picking them up. What he did was fine, but it wasnt a throughfare from midfield.

BBC said it was osman with the corner in the match report.I was watching the game, it was definitely Gibson

[DannyInvincible]

Osman (#21) was in the box when the corner was taken: http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/marouane-fellaini-everton-scores-against-manchester-united/

[SwanVsDalton]

So did Gibson take the corner or what?

[swinfordfc]

Gibson took the corner - end of

[Charlie Darwin]

He both took the corner and didn't take the corner.

[DannyInvincible]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[tetsujin1979]

Everton played a game of by-passing hte midfield, and getting the knock downs, like hitting the full forward in gaelic annd the corner forwards feeding off the knock downs and scraps, piennar and jelavic picking them up. What he did was fine, but it wasnt a throughfare from midfield.

BBC said it was osman with the corner in the match report.Can you read?
From the match report on BBC Sport's website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19240566

The giant Belgian's towering 57th minute header from Darron Gibson's corner finally ended the defiance of United keeper David de Gea, who had kept Everton at bay with a series of outstanding first half saves.

[paul_oshea]

It was a very GAA-like approach - the wingers and midfielders were so sure Fellaini would win every knock down that they could gamble on racing past him. It was 100% Gibson taking the corner though.

Maybe coleman is the tactician.

I know Tets, but i dont know why they put that in the report. Well the one i read last night said Osman, they must have updated the piece.

[tetsujin1979]

Maybe coleman is the tactician.

I know Tets, but i dont know why they put that in the report. Well the one i read last night said Gibson, they must have updated the piece. you might want to read that again

[tricky_colour]

Great result for Everton Moyes, Gibson and indeed Coleman who was on the pitch when they scored,
doubt he changed the game but he was there nonetheless.

I wonder if Darren dropped off a bottle of wine for Sir Alex to drown his sorrows in ???

[SkStu]

Maybe coleman is the tactician.

I know Tets, but i dont know why they put that in the report. Well the one i read last night said Gibson, they must have updated the piece.

it was Gibson.

[geysir]

I know Tets, but i dont know why they put that in the report. Well the one i read last night said Gibson, they must have updated the piece.
Possibly (dare I say probably) you misread the report.

[paul_oshea]

No I definitely did not mis-read the report. Perhaps mis-wrote my report though :)

[geysir]

No I definitely did not mis-read the report. Perhaps mis-wrote my report though :)
Perhaps is a word 'used to express uncertainty or possibility'.

[John83]

That's a bit harsh on Gibson. I thought he looked very impressive by any measure, not just against the poor opposition. And Cleverley arguably has as much Premier League experience than Gibson so he's hardly a kid.
I have to admit, I thought Cleverly was several years younger than he is, and that Gibson got more games than he did.


Cleverly is 23 not a kid. Gibson is a very good footballer who never got a run of games at utd and was treated badly by the fans. He has played every game for everton since he joined in jan which has coincided with evertons excellent form. His passing is crisp and neat, he has good close control and he can see a pass. He works hard which you have to to get in to a Moyes team. What the hell else do we want?Gibson and Mccarthy are by far better footballers than whelan/andrews which is the reason andrews in in the championship. Also Gibson has made a big effort to play for the republic and yet seems to be hated by ireland fans
I agree he's done very well at Everton.

To answer your question, I want him to show that form for Ireland, and convince Trapattoni that he's that much better than a journeyman like Whelan.

[paul_oshea]

But has he done well, I mean he hasnt done badly and is keeping his position but has he done anything out of the ordinary, other than to suggest he may too turn into a PL journeyman.

[Charlie Darwin]

Yes, he has done well.

[liamoo11]

But has he done well, I mean he hasnt done badly and is keeping his position but has he done anything out of the ordinary, other than to suggest he may too turn into a PL journeyman.

Well this time last year lots of people seemed convinced he would be a championship journeyman so I guess PL journeyman is an improvement!If he spent the next 8 years playing every game he is available for in a top 8 premiership team then Id have to say that would be an excellent career and would most certainly mean he was worthy of one of the 2 or 3 centre midfield positions for ireland. I would be amazed but obviously delighted if over the next 8 years we have 3 other centre mids playing every game for a team in the top eight in the premier league.If he ran around like a lunatic and gave the ball away consistenty and then dived into crazy tackles and got sent off petulently when he was been schooled and played in the championship he would be loved by everyone but he would also be keith andrews . The price of love.

[paul_oshea]

Yes, he has done well.

OK then.

[SkStu]

But has he done well, I mean he hasnt done badly and is keeping his position but has he done anything out of the ordinary, other than to suggest he may too turn into a PL journeyman.

well if he hasn't done badly then the chances are he's done well.

[tetsujin1979]

The Importance of Darron Gibson, an opta stats analysis: http://www.eplindex.com/18008/everton-importance-darron-gibson-opta-stats-analysis.html

[passinginterest]

The Importance of Darron Gibson, an opta stats analysis: http://www.eplindex.com/18008/everton-importance-darron-gibson-opta-stats-analysis.html

Interesting read that. Particularly the comparison to Rodwell considering they played a similar amount of minutes (I suppose it might be interesting to see the teams they played against to see if there were mitigating factors).

[Charlie Darwin]

Looks like Phil Neville had a read of the same blog: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2012/0824/1224322931369.html

[paul_oshea]

Interestint stats, but that’s a poor pass completion when you consider that is his main aspect of his game should surely be up in the highn 80’s, Joe Allen over the 90% like Scholes

[passinginterest]

Interestint stats, but that’s a poor pass completion when you consider that is his main aspect of his game should surely be up in the highn 80’s, Joe Allen over the 90% like Scholes

I think the key there is forward passes, passes in the opposition half and final third entires. He's being adventurous with his passing, so while his completion rate is slightly lower than Rodwell he's clearly doing it in more dangerous areas, where there's a higher risk of interceptions and blocks. It would be interesting to compare to someone like Allen.

[Charlie Darwin]

Interestint stats, but that’s a poor pass completion when you consider that is his main aspect of his game should surely be up in the highn 80’s, Joe Allen over the 90% like Scholes
He'd be more comparable to somebody like Gerrard than Allen, in that he does try the risky through-balls and passes over the top rather than playing the percentages all the time. As good a player as Allen is, his stats are so high primarily because his job is not to create.

[ChrisRed]

Gibson has pulled out of the squad. Seemingly due to the disappointment of the euros...

[Sullivinho]

Gibson withdraws from Republic squad (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international/2012/0901/335847-gibson-withdraws-from-republic-squad)


Darron has said that although he doesn’t want to let anyone down, he doesn’t feel ready to to return to the squad for this fixture after the disappointment of Euro 2012.


Sunderland midfielder David Meyler has been called up to the squad and will join his team-mates in Dublin on Sunday afternoon.

[Murfinator]

He's a crybaby and a selfish player of the highest order. In a fortnight where we reflect on the magnificent dedication of legends like Given and Duff I'm frankly embarrassed to share a nationality with the likes of Gibson. Far too many players of his ilk in the game these days.

[tetsujin1979]

full statement from the FAI: http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/102704-darron-gibson-withdraws-from-squad-to-face-kazakhtsan.html

[Supreme feet]

No doubt everyone will blame Trap for this. Truth is that Gibson has been given chance after chance to play his way into the side, but never really convinced. He should have come on ahead of Paul Green against Spain for sure, and for those qualifiers against Russia and Slovakia in 2010, but it wouldn't have been an issue if Gibson had been prepared to work that little bit harder. He only has himself to blame for not being first choice. Agree with what Murf says above, it's so frustrating to see the egotism and self-entitlement of the modern footballer creeping into our team. Gibson wasn't the only player sitting on the bench in Poland.

[Sullivinho]

'Disappointment' my @ss.

Utter petulance.

[Park_Lane]

Gibson is a little ****, if he is not comitted he can fcuk right off. Doesnt feel ready to come in yet after the disappointment of the euros??? my hole!! Yet?? Yet??? When does he want to come back? Germany away??He didnt play at the bleedin euros so why not show what you can do now theres a chance to break into the team?? Whingy little wagon. He was always one of the ones crying off from squads for friendlys etc, now he's only throwing his toys out of the pram. He shoulnt be picked for any squad for this campaign again, give me keith fahy over gibson all day. A lad who was devastated to miss the euros due to injury. On the plus side delighted David Meyler is called up, a lad who is genuinely comitted to playing for his country unlke Gibson.

[Charlie Darwin]

Bizarre decision. I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt skipping the Serbia game to be fit for Man Utd, but this is just petulant. Trap will take one look at Meyler and say "I can rely on this guy" and goodbye Darron...

[Murfinator]

I agree with the sentiment shown here, I think we'd all be happier (Darron included) if he was never selected again. His sort of attitude whether he's there or not cannot be good for the morale of the squad.

[Uncle_Joe]

I'm astonished by this withdrawal. The sheer brazen cowardice/lack of bottle/commitment/lack of pride from Gibson is truly unbelievable.